thanks for this video! I pugged this raid and no one knew the boss fight, so now that I have some insight on how to do this we're going to attempt it. What was the make up of your raid? I see a pally and druid tank, pally/priest/sham healer?
@LordShadowDragon Yep, exactly right on the tanks/healers. I would suggest that the actual raid makeup isn't all that important these days, just make sure you have enough interrupters available and split evenly among the 3 pillars during Phase 2, as that phase will still likely prove the most challenging given it forces the raid apart for the duration.
I just puged my first raid, we made it all the way to nef which was amazing in and of itself. The explanation of this fight on the fly was a lot to take in i think for mst of us whome also never ran this before. But after watching this, it helped an incredible ammount to clarify and totaly simplify things. I really appreciated that you discussed many different stragities you have used, and why they can work with different raid setups ect which is good for pug not knowing the raid make up. TYVM!
I suppose this strat would make sense if you don't have anyone in your entire raid that can manage to kite whatsoever. The added dragon damage at the start though just seems unnecessary I have to say. Whole thing could be a lot less "kick you in the nuts" on the healers if you just have one person that can manage to kite the adds while the tanks actually tank the dragons.
Onyxia, nice to meet you again! Remember when we killed you in vanilla first time? And wuuuut then you came back in Wotlk! That's not very nice, and GUESS WHAT?! HERE YOU ARE AGAIN!?!?
@BWolf93 Somewhat. They gain a stacking buff as time passes that increase their damage and movement speed, so eventually they will outrun your kiter even while snared. However, you can kite them for a while before that happens and then follow-up with a few roots/CCs to buy that last amount of time (Hungering Cold, Frost Nova, etc.). Good luck!
I am protection paladin 359 geared,9% dodge,13% parry and 53 block.Healers are shammy,holy pala and resto druid geared like and pretty skilled.Given that we have no heroic gear,is this tactic any doable for our setup?
@Achillesblabla Yes definitely; if most of the raid has Normal/359 gear, you shouldn't have any major trouble with this tactic. My advice is to remind your healers that Phase 1 is fairly short and thus spending a lot of mana in this short period to manage the tank is perfectly acceptable, as you can get through Phase 2/Phase 3 without much lower mana expenditures.
@gabestah Thanx a lot dude.We had 3 tanks and had wipes due to loss of dps in p3,at like 15-16% due to add tank dying cause there were no space to kite em.We'll definitely try it.Godlike mode is is!
Frost mages can kite the adds in p1 indefinitelly, since when they appear they arent with their buff, so the mage can aggro them and take some hits in the process with no problem. When they are grouped up, the frost mage can CC them indefinitelly. This seems a bettter way in a 10 man so you dont have to put the dragons together in one tank.
@danilocps That is true, but like the video says, this strategy is meant for raid groups who are lacking those nice cc's we'd all like in this fight (or a competent kiter). My raid group tried this tonight and found phase 1 went smoother with a tank getting the adds while the MT (myself) took both dragons at once. Just can be a bit scary for the healers with both dragons down and beating the hell out of one tank.
............They said it couldn't be done! Props to the healers, this strat seems to rely on them quite a bit more. The whole raid soaking completely avoidable AoE is what I'm referring to.
Liking the strat alot. We've tried it and healing the raid and add control is definatly easier. But our issue is the tank dying. Any tips to keeping them alive with both Nef and Ony?? It's a DK tank, Disc priest, Holy Pala, resto Druid.
@Azuhygo500 Yikes, that's a tough one, as non-Shield tanks are much weaker in spike-damage scenarios these days.
If the DK is a must for the MT role on this fight, the best advice I can give us to find a way to chain cooldowns as much as possible. DK's CDs > Priest > Pal will give a reasonable length of time to survive. Otherwise, ensure healers are spamming the DK as much as possible -- the raid won't die from lightning damage, so slow AE healing can be used to catch them up after each cast.
@gabestah Actually that is a pretty big misconception atm with the WoW community and how different tanks perform on different fight types. DKs are actually good tanks for this type situation due to their self healing being % based of dmg taken. Druids are extremely strong tanks for this as their armor is usually much higher, and post 4.1 with savage defense buff they will probably be out pacing any other tank on mitigation, atm they are much better for anything less than 3 mobs anyway.
@ceelin1 I'm afraid your numbers are quite off -- I even investigated it thoroughly and setup tanking models on my own for various scenarios with a big blog post outlining the findings, which I unfortunately can't link here, but it's at our guild website.
As always, tanking is about mitigating spike damage, which shield tanks excel at. Even if a DK can heal a large chunk, they must take the damage in the first place, often in big spikes, which is the opposite of strong tanking.
Nice video! I like your vids in general, you usually have good thoughts/comments on the fights and different strategies. Even if this doesn't end up being the ultimate tact for my guild, it will sure help some raiders get a better grip on the fight! Keep up the good work, mate! Cheers
@Saphpro Clearly "shit" means something different to you than it does to most people.
As explained in the video, this strategy is what developed over the course of our learning attempts and proved to be the most reliable method for Phase 1. If your raid comp lacks a lot of CC for adds or can't afford a third tank, this method is very strong. We've farmed Nef for weeks now like this, so I'd say it's a pretty decent tactic.
That said, thanks for your very useful and thoughtful feedback!
This guide is totally awesome :) Im gonna watch most of your guides for our progress and hoping to see some hardmode guides also. Nice kill and keep up the quality :) Cheers.
Gj hyjal. =D
MrRadoiactive 3 months ago
thanks for this video! I pugged this raid and no one knew the boss fight, so now that I have some insight on how to do this we're going to attempt it. What was the make up of your raid? I see a pally and druid tank, pally/priest/sham healer?
LordShadowDragon 3 months ago
@LordShadowDragon Yep, exactly right on the tanks/healers. I would suggest that the actual raid makeup isn't all that important these days, just make sure you have enough interrupters available and split evenly among the 3 pillars during Phase 2, as that phase will still likely prove the most challenging given it forces the raid apart for the duration.
gabestah 3 months ago
I wants my interface to look like yours ;o What addons are you using?
skatakiller 3 months ago
I just puged my first raid, we made it all the way to nef which was amazing in and of itself. The explanation of this fight on the fly was a lot to take in i think for mst of us whome also never ran this before. But after watching this, it helped an incredible ammount to clarify and totaly simplify things. I really appreciated that you discussed many different stragities you have used, and why they can work with different raid setups ect which is good for pug not knowing the raid make up. TYVM!
IcechickenSr 5 months ago
I suppose this strat would make sense if you don't have anyone in your entire raid that can manage to kite whatsoever. The added dragon damage at the start though just seems unnecessary I have to say. Whole thing could be a lot less "kick you in the nuts" on the healers if you just have one person that can manage to kite the adds while the tanks actually tank the dragons.
viciouspen 7 months ago
Onyxia, nice to meet you again! Remember when we killed you in vanilla first time? And wuuuut then you came back in Wotlk! That's not very nice, and GUESS WHAT?! HERE YOU ARE AGAIN!?!?
xXm8Ih8uXx 7 months ago
Just did it with this tactic,somehow crazy damage in p1,we even pushed an electrocute in p2,went down after had some silly wipes.Thanx a lot.
Achillesblabla 9 months ago
@Achillesblabla Very nice, congrats!
gabestah 9 months ago
Im just wondering, attempting Nef tonight. Are the adds kitable, via Howling Blast with Chiblains?
BWolf93 9 months ago
@BWolf93 Somewhat. They gain a stacking buff as time passes that increase their damage and movement speed, so eventually they will outrun your kiter even while snared. However, you can kite them for a while before that happens and then follow-up with a few roots/CCs to buy that last amount of time (Hungering Cold, Frost Nova, etc.). Good luck!
gabestah 9 months ago
I am protection paladin 359 geared,9% dodge,13% parry and 53 block.Healers are shammy,holy pala and resto druid geared like and pretty skilled.Given that we have no heroic gear,is this tactic any doable for our setup?
Thanx for the attention.
Achillesblabla 9 months ago
Edit, '' ...resto druid geared like me..''
Achillesblabla 9 months ago
@Achillesblabla Yes definitely; if most of the raid has Normal/359 gear, you shouldn't have any major trouble with this tactic. My advice is to remind your healers that Phase 1 is fairly short and thus spending a lot of mana in this short period to manage the tank is perfectly acceptable, as you can get through Phase 2/Phase 3 without much lower mana expenditures.
Good luck!
gabestah 9 months ago
@gabestah Thanx for the answer dude!We'll definitely try it,Godlike mode it is!
Achillesblabla 9 months ago
@gabestah Thanx a lot dude.We had 3 tanks and had wipes due to loss of dps in p3,at like 15-16% due to add tank dying cause there were no space to kite em.We'll definitely try it.Godlike mode is is!
Achillesblabla 9 months ago
This is probably the most shittiest UI i've seen in a very long time and no one should play like this...
Hornystick 9 months ago
Frost mages can kite the adds in p1 indefinitelly, since when they appear they arent with their buff, so the mage can aggro them and take some hits in the process with no problem. When they are grouped up, the frost mage can CC them indefinitelly. This seems a bettter way in a 10 man so you dont have to put the dragons together in one tank.
danilocps 10 months ago
@danilocps That is true, but like the video says, this strategy is meant for raid groups who are lacking those nice cc's we'd all like in this fight (or a competent kiter). My raid group tried this tonight and found phase 1 went smoother with a tank getting the adds while the MT (myself) took both dragons at once. Just can be a bit scary for the healers with both dragons down and beating the hell out of one tank.
LostSoulDX 8 months ago
............They said it couldn't be done! Props to the healers, this strat seems to rely on them quite a bit more. The whole raid soaking completely avoidable AoE is what I'm referring to.
halobum117 11 months ago
Liking the strat alot. We've tried it and healing the raid and add control is definatly easier. But our issue is the tank dying. Any tips to keeping them alive with both Nef and Ony?? It's a DK tank, Disc priest, Holy Pala, resto Druid.
Azu
Azuhygo500 11 months ago
@Azuhygo500 Yikes, that's a tough one, as non-Shield tanks are much weaker in spike-damage scenarios these days.
If the DK is a must for the MT role on this fight, the best advice I can give us to find a way to chain cooldowns as much as possible. DK's CDs > Priest > Pal will give a reasonable length of time to survive. Otherwise, ensure healers are spamming the DK as much as possible -- the raid won't die from lightning damage, so slow AE healing can be used to catch them up after each cast.
gabestah 11 months ago
@gabestah Actually that is a pretty big misconception atm with the WoW community and how different tanks perform on different fight types. DKs are actually good tanks for this type situation due to their self healing being % based of dmg taken. Druids are extremely strong tanks for this as their armor is usually much higher, and post 4.1 with savage defense buff they will probably be out pacing any other tank on mitigation, atm they are much better for anything less than 3 mobs anyway.
ceelin1 11 months ago
@ceelin1 I'm afraid your numbers are quite off -- I even investigated it thoroughly and setup tanking models on my own for various scenarios with a big blog post outlining the findings, which I unfortunately can't link here, but it's at our guild website.
As always, tanking is about mitigating spike damage, which shield tanks excel at. Even if a DK can heal a large chunk, they must take the damage in the first place, often in big spikes, which is the opposite of strong tanking.
gabestah 11 months ago
Nice video! I like your vids in general, you usually have good thoughts/comments on the fights and different strategies. Even if this doesn't end up being the ultimate tact for my guild, it will sure help some raiders get a better grip on the fight! Keep up the good work, mate! Cheers
arpan88 11 months ago
Nice strategy it worked out for us tho we did push nefarian a bit lower in phase 2 coz we had some trouble with the adds in phase 3
arva77 11 months ago
We are going to try it.
Idemandtruth 11 months ago
good video, great idea, great tactic worked for us :)
radw313 1 year ago
Shit tactic, don't use it
Saphpro 1 year ago
@Saphpro Clearly "shit" means something different to you than it does to most people.
As explained in the video, this strategy is what developed over the course of our learning attempts and proved to be the most reliable method for Phase 1. If your raid comp lacks a lot of CC for adds or can't afford a third tank, this method is very strong. We've farmed Nef for weeks now like this, so I'd say it's a pretty decent tactic.
That said, thanks for your very useful and thoughtful feedback!
gabestah 1 year ago 14
Great job thinking outside the box. we are totally using this tomorrow night. Thanks!
ViolenD 1 year ago
This guide is totally awesome :) Im gonna watch most of your guides for our progress and hoping to see some hardmode guides also. Nice kill and keep up the quality :) Cheers.
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Midruu 1 year ago