It's quite clear from the reports that Heidi Withers behaved somewhat uncouth and trashy in the future mother-in-law's house. Taking into account the mother-in-law and her husband are being asked to pay for an elaborate wedding in a castle (as the bride's father is unable to as he is unemployed and on welfare benefits) its only reasonable Heidi Withers should have not been so difficult and rude. Obviously, the foolish girl has few manners and is sadly ignorant of reasonable behaviour.
Why should Mrs. Bourne apologise to the Withers girl? The content of the email is no doubt mostly true detailing how the girl has no manners. Worst of all is the uncouth father giving interviews and making offensive remarks regarding Mrs. Bourne.
Although the email sent by Mrs. Bourne may appear harsh I suspect its most probably entirely truthful with Heidi Withers being patently ungrateful and vulgar. Sadly, the situation was made considerably worse with her mean, disgusting and uncouth father giving numerous interviews to the press. Who in their right mind would make offensive comments about their future son in laws parents to the press?
What a great video! I actually read that mother-in-law letter, it's funny stuff. I guess the truth lies in between, the mother-in-law is strict, but maybe the girl deserved it. And thanks so much for the nice comment on my channel via Nidge. He's a great guy for making me mystery Youtuber. Also, thanks for the friend invite and the sub. I'm returning the favor. :) Janet
Mrs. Bourne is keeping a dignified silence after her soon to be step daughter in law divulged a private email. Mr. Withers can't keep his vulgar uncouth mouth shut either and now the nation knows that in spite of a somewhat questionable ‘distinguished’ background he may lay claim to – centuries ago, he is now known to be too poor and cheap to pay anything towards his own vile daughter's wedding. With a trashy father like that you can see where the girl gets it from!
Well what did you really expect the rejected first wife to say? Clearly, Heidi is two faced and so far as the first wife the phrase "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" comes to mind. FYI The Times is in tabloid form these days!
Daily Express July 4 ,2011 “Those who know Heidi say her future relative may just have a point. Despite her schooling at a strict Catholic college, friends and colleagues say the personal assistant is loud, likes a party and does not mince her words (vulgar). Even Heidi’s former teachers agree that she was a ‘bit of a handful’.”
Clearly, IF (and I doubt it) you attended Malvern Girls College with Carolyn Bourne - they failed in your case abysmally as the only “scrubber” is you!
@welshrarebeats As Heidi Withers was brought up by her uncouth unemployed father, no wonder her behaviour is offensive. One does not greedily grab food, start to eat before anyone else and keep drawing attention to oneself by repeating personal details of diabetes – the guest should have mentioned these well in advance and before arrival. Certainly one does not make vile comments regarding future family in a local pub in a ‘crude and vulgar manner’. FAT HEIDI SEEMS LIKE THE HOUSEGUEST FROM HELL
@supershit989 The only scum around are people like the Withers family who should be ashamed and who inappropriately open their vile uncouth mouths at every opportunity to the the press or in the pub with a tirade of vulgar filth regarding private family matters.
I totally agree with carolyn bourne demands(sorry)lol)- I'm also sorry to hear about the strike in England- I heard about it on the news here in the States- Another great video Dominic- gary <3
@dhatje Yea Dominic- Here in the USA we are having the same problems- The country is trying to cut spending- And the people who are being cut- Don't like it to much(lol)- But i think to take a pay cut is not that bad- comparing to people losing their jobs all together- gary <3
@MiniMimi40 Bravo! Again. I am living in AZ now, and have lots of Mexican friends. I LOVE eating with them, they can REALLY cook! (And none of them would EVER say a WORD about anyone helping themselves to seconds...as a matter of fact, they pass the platters around every five minutes or so. You are meant to eat yourself into a stupour! (LOL...just kidding, But they DO want you to eat, and it's SO easy to do with their food!)
@welshrarebeats Clearly from your response you (and most probably your family too) are what my american friends would simply call "white trash". Also it's not disputed the drug and 'unwanted Mexican influx' is certainly a major problem and the sooner a huge border fence is built the better. The only disgrace is you and your ignorance speaks volumes. Clearly, IF (and I doubt it) you attended Malvern Girls College with Carolyn Bourne - they failed in your case abysmally!
Carolyn Bournes email is completely within reason. Evidently Heidi Withers has had plenty of opportunity to be gracious, polite, and showing some remote evidence of grooming in the manners department. Many young people these days have few manners regardless of gender, income level, etc. Carolyn Bourne must have reached her wits end. The fact that this email reached the public's light of day demonstrated the future gold digging daughter-in-law is vulgar and uncouth together with her vile father.
I most certainly do dare put down illegal Mexicans! Most of these illegal parasite wetbacks need to be sent back as soon as possible. No wonder the United States has major drug and immigration problems with this wetback trash breeding like lice. The sooner you get a decent Republican government in the US and build a vast border fence the better – so many of the financial and economic problems are caused by this unwanted Mexican influx!
@1807H See. I was so right about you being a troll. Calling a human being 'trash' is simply beyond the pale. No, I won't argue about THIS with you either. You, as a certified troll, will simply keep arguing until other people give up out of frustration. Somehow this makes you feel as though you have 'won'. You haven't though. We simply have been on the internets long enough to realize the futility of 'feeding' a troll. Loser.
@margoxq Anyone who thinks Heidi is overweight is delusional. But, another troll heard from. Oh, and I'm 5'2"' and weigh 105 lbs (7 stone 7) I eat as Michael Pollen outlines, and always have done, even before he 'codified' it for us. And, of course, Mother Nature was kind to our family. We have very high metabolisms AND we don't show our ages. Interestingly, my Mexican friends are mostly normal weight individuals as well. (Even though stereotypes indicate otherwise) Do you even KNOW any?
@2hotinaz Well the photos I have seen of Heidi Withers certainly indicate she should lose some weight – that may be one of the reasons aggravating her diabetes that she persists in boring everyone with the details of. Perhaps you fail to notice this with all of your greasy spicks around? The only EVIL person is Mr. Withers who inappropriately opens his vile mouth at every opportunity the press give him with a tirade of filth– perhaps they paid him something to supplement his welfare benefits?
Good on Mrs. Bourne. This vulgar common fat gold digging little princess clearly feels hard done by having her lack of manners pointed out. Mrs. Bourne is keeping a dignified silence after her soon to be step daughter in law divulged a private email. Also bizarrely Heidi Withers apparently helped herself to more food – with her size 18 figure she should think more about a good diet!
@ebberlyx Wow. ANOTHER troll. Heidi is not overweight in the least. She also has diabetes and MUST eat, however there are foods she cannot have, and people need to respect that. Oh, and she is neither 'common' nor a 'gold-digging *princess*' Also, it is NOT 'bizarre' to help oneself to more food, especially when you're with family, which for all intents and purposes, she IS...or is soon to be. It's ridiculous to begrudge a guest enough food to satisfy their hunger or needs. YOU are an idiot!
If Heidi Withers was brought up by her uncouth unemployed father, no wonder her behaviour is offensive. One does not greedily grab food, start to eat before anyone else and keep drawing attention to oneself by repeating details of diabetes issues – the guest should have mentioned these well in advance and before arrival. Certainly one does not make vile comments regarding ones future family in a local pub in a ‘crude and vulgar manner’. Fat Heidi seems like the houseguest from hell.
@ebberlyx Her 'uncouth, unemployed father' has only been unemployed since the first of the year. He was laid off his job, and like many people in our economy now, has not found a new one, (His age is also making it hard to find employment) He is NOT a benefits scrounge. It's sad that you would say such evil things against someone you don't know. And, Heidi DID mention her diabetes before visiting. Also, I don't know what pictures YOU'VE seen of Heidi, but she is FAR from fat.
@ebberlyx BTW...You are a troll and I'm not answering you again, so don't bother to respond. Oh. Yeah, trolls always have to have to last word, so I know you WILL respond. But, I'm not 'feeding' you any more.
I have ONE last thing to say here; If my MIL had been ANYTHING like Carolyn, I would have run as fast as I could. My MIL has FAR more class though, and she is VERY 'well-to-do'. Carolyn simply sounds stingy. Stingy people think other people are 'greedy' (a word I DESPISE!). To limit the amount of food you 'allow' your guests to have is simply nasty and mean. I DO have dinner parties and brunches on a regular basis, and NOBODY has to 'ask' for seconds (or thirds even!) I cooked it for THEM.
@2hotinaz Oh, and ALL of my friends know that if I serve something they don't like they are free to NOT eat it. We all have different tastes (and taste buds) So, my ONLY rule is have as much of whatever you like as you want, but feel free to leave something that you don't really fancy on the plate. Why waste calories on food you hate? OK...REALLY done now.
Well the stuff that the mother-in-law had to tell her soon to be daughter-in-law is just normal common sense!! So it sounds like the daughter-in-law is a bit trashy, to be perfectly honest. If you have to tell someone those basic manners, then they definitley seem a bit gutterish. Being uncouth and impolite says a lot about this bride-to-be. Wonder what the groom-to-be sees in her? But the mother in law, I can imagine is telling the truth, and its does sound like bad manners.
“You regularly draw attention to yourself. Perhaps you should ask yourself why. It is tragic that you have diabetes. However, you aren’t the only young person in the world who is a diabetic. I know quite a few young people who have this condition. You do not need to regale everyone with the DETAILS of your condition or use it as an excuse to draw attention to yourself. It is vulgar.”
Clearly Heidi Withers is not only vile and uncouth but a liability too.
So many commenting on what they know nothing about. Did you know that Heidi is a diabetic who must take insulin and follow a special diet? Did you know that Heidi and her fiancee are paying for their OWN wedding? Did you know that Carolyn was upset because the couple insist on limiting their guest list...I believe it is 30 guests for each side of the family...and Carolyn finds this insulting? Which is why she's upset that the parents of the bride aren't kicking in. She's a (w?)itch!
@2hotinaz PLUS I have NEVER heard this rule of not having 'seconds' of something on the table unless specifically offered. That's mean, and I mean 'stingy' mean. But Carolyn prepared the plates and gave very stingy portions, and it wasn't enough to counteract the insulin. She could have gone into shock. Diabetes is nothing to muck about with, yet Carolyn felt Heidi was making too big an issue of her diabetes. Carolyn ALSO said that her DOG nearly had a 'breakdown' due to Heidi's rudeness!' LOL
@2hotinaz ALSO are there no foods YOU refuse to eat? If I'm a guest at someone's home, and they load my plate up with over-boiled brussels sprouts, I'm NOT eating them, rude or not. Politeness is a 2-way street. You must ask your guests if there are any foods they totally hate, or if they have any dietary restrictions and/or allergies. You do this BEFORE planning the meal. THAT'S 'good manners'. I have always done this, it's very easy to do. I keep a running list of my friend's 'needs'.
@1807H First of all, I don't know how YOU were raised, but if I am still hungry I will make that known. As I said, she MUST eat within 10-15 minutes of taking her insulin. Carolyn knows this, but discredits it. And I have NEVER heard of the 'you do not take additional helpings without being invited by your host' rule. Never. Also, she 'slept in' (until half nine) ONE morning after an exhausting day the day before. Carolyn's 'rules' are NOT reasonable. I'm speaking as an experienced hostess here
@2hotinaz There are several people I know with diabetes they do not march about announcing it, it is a private matter and they know full well their limits and do not need to repeatedly bore people about what should be a routine daily procedure, people know full well the routine is becoming very common the in the UK – this Heidi Withers girl is sadly an attention seeker who may have more serious psychological issues. CLEARLY, Carolyn's rules ARE reasonable and you are NOT an experienced hostess!
@1807H You know, clearly you have a very bad habit of jumping to conclusions about people you do not know and have never even met. I AM an experienced hostess. How dare you insinuate differently when you do not know me. I have a large dinner party several times each year, I have an 'open house' brunch the last Sunday of each month, and my home is often filled with 'out of town' guests. In fact, 'out of COUNTRY guests. I was a professional chef for many years, in well-known restaurants to boot.
@1807H Also, diabetes CANNOT be a 'private matter' when you are dependent on someone else to prepare your food for a week or so. It is VERY important that your host knows what to do. The problem is that Carolyn ignored what Heidi told her. So, Heidi would repeat the information. THIS is what Carolyn called Heidi 'trying to draw attention to herself'. Do you not understand that Carolyn is soon to be part of Heidi's family? I am so glad that MY MIL is so lovely. SHE has 'class'.
As you state on your profile page that you are some sort of chef in the United States I doubt very much that you know Carolyn Bourne. Furthermore, she has certainly NOT been divorced three times. Clearly from your profile page comments you are confrontational. There is a world of difference between cooperate entertaining and as an English country house guest – One does NOT announce you do not have enough food or start before everyone else or take additional helpings without invitation.
@1807H And, you are wrong again. Stop jumping to conclusions, PLEASE! I was born and raised in England. My husband was sent here for work, and we decided to stay. England...ALL of (once) 'Great' Britain'... is going downhill fast, and we are much happier here. AND she HAS been married 3 times. And I have known her since we were 13 or so. We were at school together.
@2hotinaz Your responses unfortunately seem to be littered with half truths! His wife has found a new TEMPORARY job as a matron in a care home Mr. Withers is still unemployed and most certainly on benefits. Again, get your facts right before you try to correct someone! Also try and read your comments there is a difference between marrage and divorce!
@1807H I'm done arguing with you. I have decided you are a troll, and I know there is no use arguing with those. If you respond to this, then you are welcome to have the 'last word', as that is all trolls really ever want. Plus, your comments are no longer making any sort of sense. YOUR responses are the ones that are full of out and out UNtruths! Still, if it will stop your foaming at the mouth, I will now drop out of this 'discussion'.
@2hotinaz I decide you were a troll some time ago! Its most unfortunate for you that you fail to know the difference between divorce and marrage and dont actually read your earlier comments. Heidi Withers is one step away from what you people in the United States would call "white trash". Sorry to read of all the problems you are having there - I understand its worse than England with all of your 'wetbacks' and drug problems.
The simple problem is ‘ladette’ Heidi wanted an inappropriately lavish wedding that her inadequate father is not able to fund and expects Carolyn Bourne to pay for. Certainly, it appears Heidi has demonstrated on numerous other occasions she draws attention to herself through her lack of social graces and that’s the reason why she chose to publish the email now! This clearly vile and uncouth girl undoubtedly has numerous other problems and obviously cannot act in a civilised manner.
@2hotinaz Well that’s totally incorrect! It’s been reported and clearly states in the email “I understand your parents are unable to contribute very much towards the cost of your wedding…. it would be most ladylike and gracious to lower your sights and have a modest wedding as befits both your incomes” CLEARLY Heidi Withere’s wanted Caroline Bourne and her husband to pay for this unnecessary and extravagant castle Wedding as her father own has refused and is is unemployed!
@1807H First of all: read again what you just wrote: "as befits both your incomes" CLEARLY they ARE paying for it, but Carolyn feels if they had a less 'ostentatious' venue she could invite more guests. FURTHERMORE, Heidi's father isn't a 'layabout'. He was laid off of his long-time job about a half year ago and hasn't yet found new employment. Not unusual these days, especially for an older person. Her mum DID find a new job (they both worked together before) but at much less pay.
@2hotinaz Do you have a problem understanding English language? "I understand your parents are unable to contribute very much towards the cost of your wedding. (convention is such that one might presume they would have saved over the years for their daughters’ marriages.) IF THIS IS THE CASE, IT WOULD BE MOST LADYLIKE AND GRACIOUS TO LOWER YOUR SIGHTS AND HAVE A MODEST WEDDING AS BEFITS BOTH YOUR INCOMES." Its a FACT that Carolyn Bourne and husband are paying for this Castle wedding!
@1807H It's a FACT that they are NOT paying for it. Exactly WHERE did you hear this as 'fact'. It's NOT true. Give me a link to anything that says they are. I know these people BTW. In fact Carolyn USED to be a friend of mine, until she drove me bonkers with all her marital 'dramas'. (She's been divorced now THREE times...'upwardly mobile' marriages each time.) And, she DID say that Heidi's rudeness nearly caused her DOG to have a nervous breakdown. That's how 'stable' she is.
Heidi Withers and her vile unemployed father on benefits, will now be known forever as uncouth, vulgar and untrustworthy, a fate they have brought on themselves. Mrs. Bourne you are quite right. Every word of your email is good advice and our UK is becoming a nation of disrespectful, useless, layabouts that due to their spoilt childhoods and easy lives are rendered useless in their adulthood. Good on you - I hope others take note from your interest as a mother and good parent.
@arabellasp1 Her father is NOT on benefits. He was laid off his job that he had had for MANY years about six months ago, and has not yet managed to find new employment. His wife and he worked at the same place and were laid off at the same time. His wife has found a new job as a matron in a nursing home, but she is earning much less than she did before. Before you cast aspersions on someone it would be only fitting if you knew the whole story. This is NOT a 'welfare' family!
@chillinmofo99 Well the stuff that the mother-in-law had to tell her soon to be daughter-in-law is just normal common sense!! So it sounds like the daughter-in-law is a bit trashy, to be perfectly honest. If you have to tell someone those basic manners, then they definitley seem a bit gutterish. Being uncouth and impolite says a lot about this bride-to-be. Wonder what the groom-to-be sees in her?
There is an enormous difference between manners and etiquette, the terms are not synonymous. Old school aristocratic etiquette was a means of segregating the poor from the rich, "new money" from "old money". It was a ridiculous collection of rules and customs that had no purpose other than to alienate the people that did not know them. Such customs, apparently, still exist in the world. True MANNERS, however, is making your guest feel comfortable at the expense of your own comfort and customs.
@element222 Thank you for having good sense and really understanding the difference between 'manners' and snobbish 'etiquette'. It is ENORMOUS! And, you are so right. Carolyn has NO manners at all.
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@2hotinaz “You regularly draw attention to yourself. Perhaps you should ask yourself why. It is tragic that you have diabetes. However, you aren’t the only young person in the world who is a diabetic. I know quite a few young people who have this condition. You do not need to regale everyone with the DETAILS of your condition or use it as an excuse to draw attention to yourself. It is vulgar.”
Clearly Heidi Withers is not only vile and uncouth but a liability too.
arabellasp1 Wrong. Carolyn will be known forever as a conniving, evil bitch who deserves any flack she gets. What a status-obsessed, bigoted snob. Welcome to my block list.
The daughter of a physicist, Mrs Bourne attended Malvern Girls College, a boarding school that produces girls with a rigorous grasp of manners and etiquette. If Heidi Withers was brought up by her vulgar uncouth father, no wonder her behaviour is offensive. so typical of certain girls now days, just selfish with no manners. Heidi thinks that getting married in a castle will make her ladylike, then she will probably end up getting drunk wetting herself and vomiting on a 600 year old tapestry!
Mrs Bourne owns the business in which she works very hard indeed and clearly from her own actions the withers girl is not only lacking in matters but quite vulgar generally. Freddie should dump this uncouth little goldigger along with her vile unemployed father. Find someone suitable Freddie - every word your step mother has written is clearly quite true.
I love the snobbery of the poor, and they can be just as judgemental or more then the rich. They take the attitude of I can do anything I please and too bad for you. You are just too uppity and condescending and this offends me that I offend you. You ain't no better then me, I'm still gooder then you! OK, it is nice to make others comfortable, but how comfortable do you want to make those who appear clueless? They need to be advised if they appear ignorant unless to offend was intended.
Wrong! Bullying harassing emails are exempt from the supposed email privacy rules. Heidi was completely within her right to expose this pile of email vomit spewed out by this evil status-obsessed witch.
Heidi Withers and her unemployed father will now be known forever as uncouth, vulgar and untrustworthy, a fate they have brought on themselves. Mrs. Bourne you are quite right. Every word of your email is good advice and our UK is becoming a nation of disrespectful, useless, layabouts that due to their spoilt childhoods and easy lives are rendered useless in their adulthood. Good on you - I hope others take note from your interest as a mother and good parent
Mrs Bourne nailed it was in her criticism of uncouth Miss Withers propensity to discuss her diabetes. In my experience the world divides between those who never speak of illness and those who speak rarely of anything else. Her truly ghastly sounding soon-to-be stepdaughter-in-law should not stay in bed all day, insult her hosts and help herself to food. She should send a thankyou note and be respectful - particularly as they are paying for her wedding as her own father is broke and unemployed!
The issue isn't really etiquette, but a power struggle. I've read the entire unedited email, and I think Mrs. Bourne went too far. If she really had issues with DIL she would've been woman enough to discuss it face to face and not send a meanspirited email like that. Makes me wonder if Mrs. Bourne is really trying to scare off DIL because she's jealous of her!
The simple problem is ‘ladette’ Heidi wanted an inappropriately lavish wedding that her disgusting inadequate father is not able to fund and expects Carolyn Bourne to pay for. Certainly, it appears Heidi has demonstrated on numerous other occasions she draws attention to herself through her lack of social graces and that’s the reason why she chose to publish the email now! This clearly vile and uncouth girl undoubtedly has numerous other problems and obviously cannot act in a civilized manner.
Carolyn Bourne is appalling! I can't express my disgust for her in one little outube comment but go to cbcf groupsite com and key in Bourne and you'll find her in the "Hall Of Idiocy"
@MusicalMissCapri There are several people I know with diabetes, they do not march about announcing it, it is a private matter and they know full well their limits and do not need to repeatedly bore people about specific details that should be a quite basic routine daily procedure. Sadly, Miss Withers is vulgar, rude, objectionable and clearly has somewhat limited interpersonal skills, being an attention seeker who publishes private letters she may have far more serious psychological issues.
@GXQA It's Bourne who has issues for writing such a nasty email in the first place. She comes off as an aging harpy attacking a woman who is younger and prettier. Bourne is literally the wicked stepmother.
I disagree with you it’s clearly Miss Withers who’s common and vulgar with somewhat limited interpersonal skills. Being an attention seeker who also publishes private letters demonstrates she may have more serious psychological issues together with diabetes that most patients manage effectively. Sadly, Miss Withers and her unemployed father have demonstrated they are both disgusting and uncouth with the main problem being they want Mrs. Bourn to pay for an inappropriately lavish castle wedding.
The simple problem is ‘ladette’ Heidi wanted an inappropriately lavish wedding that her inadequate father is not able to fund and expects Carolyn Bourne to pay for. Certainly, it appears Heidi has demonstrated on numerous other occasions she draws attention to herself through her lack of social graces and that’s the reason why she chose to publish the email now! This clearly vile and uncouth girl undoubtedly has numerous other problems and obviously cannot act in a civilised manner.
@MiniMimi40 Mimi- I didn't say "she" ruined her wedding, but her friend who decided he/she had the right to make someone elses family matter public to the entire world. Hopefully work out for the best for everyone, as I think this match is doomed to failure at this point. Unless they stay away from the families, & can work it out themselves. Even a woman like Carolyn needs serious provocation to respond w/such anger, & my gut tells me that this was not the first incident. She has feelings, also.
@MiniMimi40 You made your childhood abuse issues CLEAR in your previous posts-& I SINCERELY sympathize. But projecting your emotions onto someone elses situation distorts your thinking. There are counselors available to help w/that. As for your cursing/name-calling, F#ck you, Butch. I agree it'd be great for everyone if she goes away & finds someone else-must be plenty of guys with families rich enough to pay for "Princess Heidi"'s castle wedding!! NONE of us knows all the details-INCLUDING YOU.
@welshrarebeats Well matey, since you don't live here, you don't really know what American women are like-do you? Let me break it down for you... "Modern" means in the present, contemporary. "Feminist"-well, if you don't know what that means, google it, or read some of the radical feminist male-hating propaganda-there's plenty of it around & they are complete, power-hungry hypocrites. "America"-well, that's self-explanatory (though Eurpoeans stole it from Natives, & US is only part of "America")
The future bride-to-be sounds like a right little gold digging Princess who thinks she can come into someone else's home and make her demands. I am glad this lady pointed out her lack of manners to her (and now to the rest of the world, thanks to her passing on the email to all and sundry. Nice how this back-fired on her - we all now know how vile, uncouth and obnoxious she must be!). Visitors should respect the rules of the homes they visit.
The email completely within reason. Evidently Heidi Withers has had plenty of opportunity to be gracious, polite, and showing some evidence of grooming in the manners department. Most young people these days have few manners regardless of gender, income level, etc. It is a sad state of affairs to say the least. Carolyn Bourne must have reached her wits end. The fact that this email reached the public's light of day...proves the future gold digging daughter-in-law is vulgar and uncouth.
@trishsus Oh damn- how'd you figure it out? Clearly you're much too sharp for me to ever pull the wool over YOUR eyes. :O) That damned, rude little strumpet, I'll get her if it's the last thing I do!!
One further problem is Heidi wanted an inappropriately lavish wedding that her inadequate father is not able to fund and expects Mrs. B. to pay for. Certainly, it appears Heidi has demonstrated on numerous other occasions she draws attention to herself through her lack of social graces and that’s the reason why she chose to publish the email now! This clearly vile and uncouth girl undoubtedly has numerous other problems and obviously cannot act in a civilized manner.
Also The DIL had diabetes which causes people to be careful about what they eat, and how they eat it. Having low blood sugar can sometimes cause a person to sleep deeper than usual.
Having manners also means being a gracious hostess.
@welshrarebeats That girl's a selfish, spoiled bitch (unfortunately, all too typical in modern feminist America). I would've told her to hit the Mcdonald's drive-thru, rather than disrespect me in my own house. Somebody needs to draw lines in the sand for these bitches, because their mothers/men/Women's Studies classes aren't teaching them responsibility toward others. It's all about THEM-all the TIME. Gets old after awhile. 2 for 1 on Big Macs-get 'em while they're hot! & save for your wedding!
Stepson get some balls. Mother, this lady is to be my wife, you made your choices and I will make mine. You choose whether you want to be in our life or not. Accept her as she is, or not at all. Standards? What is more important people or rules? We will sleep in when we are tired, in my parents home or ours.
@MiniMimi40 Nazis? Exaggerating a bit aren't you?? Your bad experiences don't give YOU the right to tell someone else what to do in THEIR HOUSE!! You're projecting your own experiences on her (this msg, & the one below). Being selfish, rude, & ungrateful in the house of someone who has taken the time to prepare a meal for you is not "loving"-it's a slap in the face. GOOD for the mother for calling her on it! Sounds like this bitch (Heidi) would take over/dominate the whole family if they let her
@Royann5267 Right on, Royann. Feminist "domination", insensitivity & rejection of anything "feminine"-like nurturing, respect, gratitude, grace, humility, courtesy towards others, listening etc- have given us some EXTREMELY SELF-CENTERED & DISAGREEABLE creatures since the 70s!! American womyn DON'T have to go to the other extreme- helpless, spineless, dependent, etc- to learn some RESPECT for other people. They CAN'T have it all- it's NOT "all about them"- sacrifice for family is NOT oppression!
@bookguitarguy I don't agree. manners is not only something taught but also falls into the classification of "common sense" that isn't so common anymore, while feminism is a not even relevant. Feminism has nothing to do with picking up your shoes so they aren't in the door way and a tripping hazard in someone elses home! my 15 and 16 yr old sons both know when done eating to clear their plates to the kitchen ..does that make them dominatrixes? comparing apples 2 oranges dude!
@Royann5267 COMPLETELY disagree (but you're entitled to an opinion). Feminism joined forces w/the black power movement in the 70s to demonize white men as the common enemy, in a POWER GRAB (racist/sexist/hypocritical) which has done little but destroy families & create more polarization & hatred (rather than harmony). Young girls are poisoned by FEMINISM on TV/in schools/by older feminist womyn who are EVERY bit as aggressive & power hungry as the stereotypical men they criticize. ALL ABOUT THEM
Hey, maybe Heidi is an over-indulged BRAT who needed to be enlightened. Carolyn doesn't sound wrapped too tight, but she was probably dead right. Go elope now, Heidi. Your marriage will be over in less than 24 months. :)
@marcosaba360 utter rubbish. its up to the family to adjust to the guest aswell. its like the store and the customer, and the customer is always right... its called hospitality, its called friendlieness and openness. add to this the requirements from the bourne "lady" was just silly. people like that deserves their money stripped from them a couple of years
@masedama Not utter rubbish-only (at best) 50% rubbish. A guest also has a responsibility to show respect. That has nothing to do w/friendliness, only showing gratitude for the meal, humility in not assuming you can grab as much as you want when others are also hungry, appreciation (not complaining about type/quantity of food), self-control (not digging in first while hosts who prepared meal are getting seated), etc. PLUS poor judgment sending private msg to stupid friend-who broadcast to WORLD!
Also, "hinting" to the parents of the man you (supposedly) love & want to marry (money??) that you would like them to spend A LOT of money on your wedding (castles aren't cheap!!)-despite the fact that your parents can't contribute much? Not the way I'd try to build a relationship w/the parents of someone I loved. If she REALLY loved him, she should (imo) have shown them respect in their home-for HIS sake if not theirs. In view of all she said/did, I'd consider her a selfish bitch & warn my son!
Bitches are cunts who need discipline. This withered old smelly bitch thinks her shit doesn't stink even though her breath smells like shit & her twat is dried up & looks like expired supermarket veal.
She needed a reality check from early on but her parents no doubt were losers too.
@misOBGYNist MisOBGYNist?? Sounds like your parents weren't anything to write home about, either... :O) I agree-women do need some boundaries, & maybe an occasional spanking now and then (esp the young, attractive ones who think they rule the world, & cause pain & turmoil for others). Still, I detect that somebody's a little bitter & angry here? From what you said, I'm gonna go out on a limb & guess that your mother did some very nasty things you did NOT like, & did not bathe on a regular basis.
@bookguitarguy Damn, at first you had it on point, but at the end, you sound like a pure mangina.
A man doesn't have to pull punches. Mistaking a straight shooter who speaks his mind for someone bitter is a bitch's reaction to the truth. Are you a bitch 'bookguitarguy?'
@8332rats Missing the point. She clearly felt disrespected in her own home (& who knows how many other incidents there were before that? Though harsh, she has a right to have & express her feelings, though "I statements" might have been better than attacks. She didn't know Heidi would broadcast her msg to the entire world through a STUPID, indiscreet, WISE-ASSED friend. Friend's '''joke" has given them all 15 mins of fame, ruined the wedding (if there is one) & guaranteed years of bad feelings!!
Perhaps, but they will NEVER have a good relationship. Sometimes when you have a guest, you kind of have to lump it. That goes both ways.
But I don't think they will cross paths again.. Either the prospective groom will ditch his mother and never see her again or ditch the bride.
But I agree with you, it was her home and her son, etc. It's just that in doing so, it made it impossible for the groom to have both his bride and his mother.
@8332rats You're right-it does go both ways. I too feel for the guy. I agree the mother's email will force him to "choose", but also think Heide's rudeness to his parents at the dinner table put him in a position of having to choose as well. Or at least, must have made him very uncomfortable. I wonder how close he was to his mother before this happened... I suspect she was concerned for him (re Heide's selfishness/greed), & trying to lay down some guidelines. I'm guessing Heide dominates him too
ha ha! The snobbish "mother-in-law from hell" has truly got egg on her face now! Lol! Bad manners?! Is it, or is it not considered (in polite society!) bad manners to publicly criticise one's own son's intended fiance ?!?! What a bitch! (Indeed.)
Brilliant e-mail by Mrs B, who is clearly of a generation that knows about manners, unlike most of the youth of today. I fully support Mrs B and hope the girl in question takes the hint - she either bucks up her ideas, attitude and manners or she clears off out of the family. If Freddie has any sense he would make the choice for her - tell Heidi to get lost and find a decent, well mannered girl instead of some vile common chav, there are plenty around I am sure.
It is clear that you have not read the whole email, which is just what I would expect from idiots who try to disguise their lack of class with artificial 'manners'. Carolyn Bourne attacked Heidi Whithers FOR BEING A DIABETIC, which is why she was so picky with her diet. Yeah, can you imagine? Attack someone for their medical condition. Real manners, that.
Furthermore, the latter part of the email is strewn with nasty personal attacks on her daughter-in-law and classicist sneering at her humbler origins - what century is this we are living in by the way? Aristocracy is dead, we live in a free, equal and democratic society, and a Queen should not be talking like that to the humblest citizen in the realm.
Anyone who supports this horrible nobility-wanna be are idiots.
@ultraxda Except Mrs B is a thrice married woman who had her first child out of wedlock and married money, beginning her horticultural career on a market stall, where as Miss W is actually descended from landed gentry (her parents have been happily married for 30 years). It is the height of bad manners to out out someone else's bad manners, which just goes to show that the step-mother from hell is trying to be something which she is not. Miss W should get out while she still can!
@CatChester66 The facts are Mrs. B. actually married the man she had her first child with and subsequently made a most successful career through hard work, is respected in the horticultural industry and happily married. Miss W’s disgusting father clearly uncouth too, has no manners either (making vile and obscene comments to the press about private family matters) and is in fact unemployed (unemployable?) and on welfare benefits although remotely descended from landowners centuries ago!
@michealangelo33 I respect people's right to AN opinion, but wish they'd get the facts straight b4 PUBLICLY broadcasting them!! (only adds confusion & causes more bad feelings). Bourne did not "publicly" do anything, she sent an EMAIL to her (RUDE/SELF-CENTERED) future daughter-in-law. HEIDI forwarded it to her friends (making it PUBLIC). Then one of her friends made it even more public on the INTERNET-so, no one to blame but herself! 15 mins of fame/ruined wedding. FREDDIE-DUMP THE BITCH QUICK!
If Bourne was really as mannered and civilized as she claimed herself to be, she would have had a personal talk, not send it in an email.
Furthermore, it is clear you have only read the media-edited version of the email - try looking for the full text. It is far nastier than you know, and completely puts a different light on the circumstances.
@1tephania Fair enough, I'll check out the full version, but I still think that Heide was disrespectful in doing the things she did as a guest. Sounds like the mother has her own issues, but also is concerned about her son marrying someone who is that selfish, and was trying to send a message to Heide about respect. I'll read the full email if I can find it, but still tired of spoiled/selfish American women who think the world owes them something. Thanks for the heads up.
Nice sweater love!
TheSaltyvinyl 6 months ago
Lol - Love you squeeakswheel !!
marcosaba360 7 months ago
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I do not know who the Bourne family is..... and perhaps that is a good thing. Lestat
xxAtlantianKnightxx 8 months ago
It's quite clear from the reports that Heidi Withers behaved somewhat uncouth and trashy in the future mother-in-law's house. Taking into account the mother-in-law and her husband are being asked to pay for an elaborate wedding in a castle (as the bride's father is unable to as he is unemployed and on welfare benefits) its only reasonable Heidi Withers should have not been so difficult and rude. Obviously, the foolish girl has few manners and is sadly ignorant of reasonable behaviour.
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@supershit989
Why should Mrs. Bourne apologise to the Withers girl? The content of the email is no doubt mostly true detailing how the girl has no manners. Worst of all is the uncouth father giving interviews and making offensive remarks regarding Mrs. Bourne.
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Although the email sent by Mrs. Bourne may appear harsh I suspect its most probably entirely truthful with Heidi Withers being patently ungrateful and vulgar. Sadly, the situation was made considerably worse with her mean, disgusting and uncouth father giving numerous interviews to the press. Who in their right mind would make offensive comments about their future son in laws parents to the press?
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What a great video! I actually read that mother-in-law letter, it's funny stuff. I guess the truth lies in between, the mother-in-law is strict, but maybe the girl deserved it. And thanks so much for the nice comment on my channel via Nidge. He's a great guy for making me mystery Youtuber. Also, thanks for the friend invite and the sub. I'm returning the favor. :) Janet
onewomanandsomesongs 8 months ago 8
i don't believe in in-laws.
lol
great tips here.
bugsme10 8 months ago
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agababy1 8 months ago
Mrs. Bourne is keeping a dignified silence after her soon to be step daughter in law divulged a private email. Mr. Withers can't keep his vulgar uncouth mouth shut either and now the nation knows that in spite of a somewhat questionable ‘distinguished’ background he may lay claim to – centuries ago, he is now known to be too poor and cheap to pay anything towards his own vile daughter's wedding. With a trashy father like that you can see where the girl gets it from!
BTW I am NOT Mrs. Bourne
1807H 8 months ago
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@welshrarebeats
Well what did you really expect the rejected first wife to say? Clearly, Heidi is two faced and so far as the first wife the phrase "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" comes to mind. FYI The Times is in tabloid form these days!
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Daily Express July 4 ,2011 “Those who know Heidi say her future relative may just have a point. Despite her schooling at a strict Catholic college, friends and colleagues say the personal assistant is loud, likes a party and does not mince her words (vulgar). Even Heidi’s former teachers agree that she was a ‘bit of a handful’.”
Clearly, IF (and I doubt it) you attended Malvern Girls College with Carolyn Bourne - they failed in your case abysmally as the only “scrubber” is you!
1807H 8 months ago 3
@welshrarebeats As Heidi Withers was brought up by her uncouth unemployed father, no wonder her behaviour is offensive. One does not greedily grab food, start to eat before anyone else and keep drawing attention to oneself by repeating personal details of diabetes – the guest should have mentioned these well in advance and before arrival. Certainly one does not make vile comments regarding future family in a local pub in a ‘crude and vulgar manner’. FAT HEIDI SEEMS LIKE THE HOUSEGUEST FROM HELL
1807H 8 months ago 3
@supershit989 The only scum around are people like the Withers family who should be ashamed and who inappropriately open their vile uncouth mouths at every opportunity to the the press or in the pub with a tirade of vulgar filth regarding private family matters.
1807H 8 months ago 2
I totally agree with carolyn bourne demands(sorry)lol)- I'm also sorry to hear about the strike in England- I heard about it on the news here in the States- Another great video Dominic- gary <3
gwall121 8 months ago 8
@gwall121 Cheers Gary, is this story still being talked about stateside?
dhatje 8 months ago
@dhatje Yea Dominic- Here in the USA we are having the same problems- The country is trying to cut spending- And the people who are being cut- Don't like it to much(lol)- But i think to take a pay cut is not that bad- comparing to people losing their jobs all together- gary <3
gwall121 8 months ago
@welshrarebeats Yay! YOU tell her (or him?) Whatever 'it' is, it's a disgrace to humanity! Well said,
2hotinaz 8 months ago
@MiniMimi40 Bravo! Again. I am living in AZ now, and have lots of Mexican friends. I LOVE eating with them, they can REALLY cook! (And none of them would EVER say a WORD about anyone helping themselves to seconds...as a matter of fact, they pass the platters around every five minutes or so. You are meant to eat yourself into a stupour! (LOL...just kidding, But they DO want you to eat, and it's SO easy to do with their food!)
2hotinaz 8 months ago
@welshrarebeats Clearly from your response you (and most probably your family too) are what my american friends would simply call "white trash". Also it's not disputed the drug and 'unwanted Mexican influx' is certainly a major problem and the sooner a huge border fence is built the better. The only disgrace is you and your ignorance speaks volumes. Clearly, IF (and I doubt it) you attended Malvern Girls College with Carolyn Bourne - they failed in your case abysmally!
1807H 8 months ago
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Carolyn Bournes email is completely within reason. Evidently Heidi Withers has had plenty of opportunity to be gracious, polite, and showing some remote evidence of grooming in the manners department. Many young people these days have few manners regardless of gender, income level, etc. Carolyn Bourne must have reached her wits end. The fact that this email reached the public's light of day demonstrated the future gold digging daughter-in-law is vulgar and uncouth together with her vile father.
1807H 8 months ago
@MiniMimi40
I most certainly do dare put down illegal Mexicans! Most of these illegal parasite wetbacks need to be sent back as soon as possible. No wonder the United States has major drug and immigration problems with this wetback trash breeding like lice. The sooner you get a decent Republican government in the US and build a vast border fence the better – so many of the financial and economic problems are caused by this unwanted Mexican influx!
1807H 8 months ago
@1807H See. I was so right about you being a troll. Calling a human being 'trash' is simply beyond the pale. No, I won't argue about THIS with you either. You, as a certified troll, will simply keep arguing until other people give up out of frustration. Somehow this makes you feel as though you have 'won'. You haven't though. We simply have been on the internets long enough to realize the futility of 'feeding' a troll. Loser.
2hotinaz 8 months ago
@2hotinaz
Perhaps Heidi is overweight with eating crap food like you - just look at the average fat mexican (illegal or course) you see in the US.
margoxq 8 months ago
@margoxq Anyone who thinks Heidi is overweight is delusional. But, another troll heard from. Oh, and I'm 5'2"' and weigh 105 lbs (7 stone 7) I eat as Michael Pollen outlines, and always have done, even before he 'codified' it for us. And, of course, Mother Nature was kind to our family. We have very high metabolisms AND we don't show our ages. Interestingly, my Mexican friends are mostly normal weight individuals as well. (Even though stereotypes indicate otherwise) Do you even KNOW any?
2hotinaz 8 months ago
@2hotinaz Well the photos I have seen of Heidi Withers certainly indicate she should lose some weight – that may be one of the reasons aggravating her diabetes that she persists in boring everyone with the details of. Perhaps you fail to notice this with all of your greasy spicks around? The only EVIL person is Mr. Withers who inappropriately opens his vile mouth at every opportunity the press give him with a tirade of filth– perhaps they paid him something to supplement his welfare benefits?
margoxq 8 months ago
@MiniMimi40 AMEN!! To everything you said.
2hotinaz 8 months ago 5
@2hotinaz
Good on Mrs. Bourne. This vulgar common fat gold digging little princess clearly feels hard done by having her lack of manners pointed out. Mrs. Bourne is keeping a dignified silence after her soon to be step daughter in law divulged a private email. Also bizarrely Heidi Withers apparently helped herself to more food – with her size 18 figure she should think more about a good diet!
ebberlyx 8 months ago
@ebberlyx Wow. ANOTHER troll. Heidi is not overweight in the least. She also has diabetes and MUST eat, however there are foods she cannot have, and people need to respect that. Oh, and she is neither 'common' nor a 'gold-digging *princess*' Also, it is NOT 'bizarre' to help oneself to more food, especially when you're with family, which for all intents and purposes, she IS...or is soon to be. It's ridiculous to begrudge a guest enough food to satisfy their hunger or needs. YOU are an idiot!
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@2hotinaz
If Heidi Withers was brought up by her uncouth unemployed father, no wonder her behaviour is offensive. One does not greedily grab food, start to eat before anyone else and keep drawing attention to oneself by repeating details of diabetes issues – the guest should have mentioned these well in advance and before arrival. Certainly one does not make vile comments regarding ones future family in a local pub in a ‘crude and vulgar manner’. Fat Heidi seems like the houseguest from hell.
ebberlyx 8 months ago
@ebberlyx Her 'uncouth, unemployed father' has only been unemployed since the first of the year. He was laid off his job, and like many people in our economy now, has not found a new one, (His age is also making it hard to find employment) He is NOT a benefits scrounge. It's sad that you would say such evil things against someone you don't know. And, Heidi DID mention her diabetes before visiting. Also, I don't know what pictures YOU'VE seen of Heidi, but she is FAR from fat.
2hotinaz 8 months ago
@ebberlyx BTW...You are a troll and I'm not answering you again, so don't bother to respond. Oh. Yeah, trolls always have to have to last word, so I know you WILL respond. But, I'm not 'feeding' you any more.
2hotinaz 8 months ago
I have ONE last thing to say here; If my MIL had been ANYTHING like Carolyn, I would have run as fast as I could. My MIL has FAR more class though, and she is VERY 'well-to-do'. Carolyn simply sounds stingy. Stingy people think other people are 'greedy' (a word I DESPISE!). To limit the amount of food you 'allow' your guests to have is simply nasty and mean. I DO have dinner parties and brunches on a regular basis, and NOBODY has to 'ask' for seconds (or thirds even!) I cooked it for THEM.
2hotinaz 8 months ago 4
@2hotinaz Oh, and ALL of my friends know that if I serve something they don't like they are free to NOT eat it. We all have different tastes (and taste buds) So, my ONLY rule is have as much of whatever you like as you want, but feel free to leave something that you don't really fancy on the plate. Why waste calories on food you hate? OK...REALLY done now.
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@chillinmofo99
Well the stuff that the mother-in-law had to tell her soon to be daughter-in-law is just normal common sense!! So it sounds like the daughter-in-law is a bit trashy, to be perfectly honest. If you have to tell someone those basic manners, then they definitley seem a bit gutterish. Being uncouth and impolite says a lot about this bride-to-be. Wonder what the groom-to-be sees in her? But the mother in law, I can imagine is telling the truth, and its does sound like bad manners.
arabellasp1 8 months ago
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“You regularly draw attention to yourself. Perhaps you should ask yourself why. It is tragic that you have diabetes. However, you aren’t the only young person in the world who is a diabetic. I know quite a few young people who have this condition. You do not need to regale everyone with the DETAILS of your condition or use it as an excuse to draw attention to yourself. It is vulgar.”
Clearly Heidi Withers is not only vile and uncouth but a liability too.
1807H 8 months ago
So many commenting on what they know nothing about. Did you know that Heidi is a diabetic who must take insulin and follow a special diet? Did you know that Heidi and her fiancee are paying for their OWN wedding? Did you know that Carolyn was upset because the couple insist on limiting their guest list...I believe it is 30 guests for each side of the family...and Carolyn finds this insulting? Which is why she's upset that the parents of the bride aren't kicking in. She's a (w?)itch!
2hotinaz 8 months ago
@2hotinaz PLUS I have NEVER heard this rule of not having 'seconds' of something on the table unless specifically offered. That's mean, and I mean 'stingy' mean. But Carolyn prepared the plates and gave very stingy portions, and it wasn't enough to counteract the insulin. She could have gone into shock. Diabetes is nothing to muck about with, yet Carolyn felt Heidi was making too big an issue of her diabetes. Carolyn ALSO said that her DOG nearly had a 'breakdown' due to Heidi's rudeness!' LOL
2hotinaz 8 months ago
@2hotinaz ALSO are there no foods YOU refuse to eat? If I'm a guest at someone's home, and they load my plate up with over-boiled brussels sprouts, I'm NOT eating them, rude or not. Politeness is a 2-way street. You must ask your guests if there are any foods they totally hate, or if they have any dietary restrictions and/or allergies. You do this BEFORE planning the meal. THAT'S 'good manners'. I have always done this, it's very easy to do. I keep a running list of my friend's 'needs'.
2hotinaz 8 months ago
@2hotinaz Get a full transcript of the email before you comment further – these are some of the quite reasonable comments
You do not remark that you do not have enough food.
You do not start before everyone else.
You do not take additional helpings without being invited to by your host.
When a guest in another’s house, you do not lie in bed until late morning in households that rise early – you fall in line with house norms.
You should never ever insult the family you are about to join
1807H 8 months ago
@1807H First of all, I don't know how YOU were raised, but if I am still hungry I will make that known. As I said, she MUST eat within 10-15 minutes of taking her insulin. Carolyn knows this, but discredits it. And I have NEVER heard of the 'you do not take additional helpings without being invited by your host' rule. Never. Also, she 'slept in' (until half nine) ONE morning after an exhausting day the day before. Carolyn's 'rules' are NOT reasonable. I'm speaking as an experienced hostess here
2hotinaz 8 months ago
@2hotinaz There are several people I know with diabetes they do not march about announcing it, it is a private matter and they know full well their limits and do not need to repeatedly bore people about what should be a routine daily procedure, people know full well the routine is becoming very common the in the UK – this Heidi Withers girl is sadly an attention seeker who may have more serious psychological issues. CLEARLY, Carolyn's rules ARE reasonable and you are NOT an experienced hostess!
1807H 8 months ago
@1807H You know, clearly you have a very bad habit of jumping to conclusions about people you do not know and have never even met. I AM an experienced hostess. How dare you insinuate differently when you do not know me. I have a large dinner party several times each year, I have an 'open house' brunch the last Sunday of each month, and my home is often filled with 'out of town' guests. In fact, 'out of COUNTRY guests. I was a professional chef for many years, in well-known restaurants to boot.
2hotinaz 8 months ago 2
@1807H Also, diabetes CANNOT be a 'private matter' when you are dependent on someone else to prepare your food for a week or so. It is VERY important that your host knows what to do. The problem is that Carolyn ignored what Heidi told her. So, Heidi would repeat the information. THIS is what Carolyn called Heidi 'trying to draw attention to herself'. Do you not understand that Carolyn is soon to be part of Heidi's family? I am so glad that MY MIL is so lovely. SHE has 'class'.
2hotinaz 8 months ago 2
As you state on your profile page that you are some sort of chef in the United States I doubt very much that you know Carolyn Bourne. Furthermore, she has certainly NOT been divorced three times. Clearly from your profile page comments you are confrontational. There is a world of difference between cooperate entertaining and as an English country house guest – One does NOT announce you do not have enough food or start before everyone else or take additional helpings without invitation.
1807H 8 months ago
@1807H And, you are wrong again. Stop jumping to conclusions, PLEASE! I was born and raised in England. My husband was sent here for work, and we decided to stay. England...ALL of (once) 'Great' Britain'... is going downhill fast, and we are much happier here. AND she HAS been married 3 times. And I have known her since we were 13 or so. We were at school together.
2hotinaz 8 months ago 2
@2hotinaz Your responses unfortunately seem to be littered with half truths! His wife has found a new TEMPORARY job as a matron in a care home Mr. Withers is still unemployed and most certainly on benefits. Again, get your facts right before you try to correct someone! Also try and read your comments there is a difference between marrage and divorce!
1807H 8 months ago
@1807H I'm done arguing with you. I have decided you are a troll, and I know there is no use arguing with those. If you respond to this, then you are welcome to have the 'last word', as that is all trolls really ever want. Plus, your comments are no longer making any sort of sense. YOUR responses are the ones that are full of out and out UNtruths! Still, if it will stop your foaming at the mouth, I will now drop out of this 'discussion'.
2hotinaz 8 months ago
@2hotinaz I decide you were a troll some time ago! Its most unfortunate for you that you fail to know the difference between divorce and marrage and dont actually read your earlier comments. Heidi Withers is one step away from what you people in the United States would call "white trash". Sorry to read of all the problems you are having there - I understand its worse than England with all of your 'wetbacks' and drug problems.
1807H 8 months ago
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@2hotinaz
The simple problem is ‘ladette’ Heidi wanted an inappropriately lavish wedding that her inadequate father is not able to fund and expects Carolyn Bourne to pay for. Certainly, it appears Heidi has demonstrated on numerous other occasions she draws attention to herself through her lack of social graces and that’s the reason why she chose to publish the email now! This clearly vile and uncouth girl undoubtedly has numerous other problems and obviously cannot act in a civilised manner.
1807H 8 months ago
@2hotinaz Well that’s totally incorrect! It’s been reported and clearly states in the email “I understand your parents are unable to contribute very much towards the cost of your wedding…. it would be most ladylike and gracious to lower your sights and have a modest wedding as befits both your incomes” CLEARLY Heidi Withere’s wanted Caroline Bourne and her husband to pay for this unnecessary and extravagant castle Wedding as her father own has refused and is is unemployed!
1807H 8 months ago
@1807H First of all: read again what you just wrote: "as befits both your incomes" CLEARLY they ARE paying for it, but Carolyn feels if they had a less 'ostentatious' venue she could invite more guests. FURTHERMORE, Heidi's father isn't a 'layabout'. He was laid off of his long-time job about a half year ago and hasn't yet found new employment. Not unusual these days, especially for an older person. Her mum DID find a new job (they both worked together before) but at much less pay.
2hotinaz 8 months ago
@2hotinaz Do you have a problem understanding English language? "I understand your parents are unable to contribute very much towards the cost of your wedding. (convention is such that one might presume they would have saved over the years for their daughters’ marriages.) IF THIS IS THE CASE, IT WOULD BE MOST LADYLIKE AND GRACIOUS TO LOWER YOUR SIGHTS AND HAVE A MODEST WEDDING AS BEFITS BOTH YOUR INCOMES." Its a FACT that Carolyn Bourne and husband are paying for this Castle wedding!
1807H 8 months ago
@1807H It's a FACT that they are NOT paying for it. Exactly WHERE did you hear this as 'fact'. It's NOT true. Give me a link to anything that says they are. I know these people BTW. In fact Carolyn USED to be a friend of mine, until she drove me bonkers with all her marital 'dramas'. (She's been divorced now THREE times...'upwardly mobile' marriages each time.) And, she DID say that Heidi's rudeness nearly caused her DOG to have a nervous breakdown. That's how 'stable' she is.
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@chillinmofo99
Heidi Withers and her vile unemployed father on benefits, will now be known forever as uncouth, vulgar and untrustworthy, a fate they have brought on themselves. Mrs. Bourne you are quite right. Every word of your email is good advice and our UK is becoming a nation of disrespectful, useless, layabouts that due to their spoilt childhoods and easy lives are rendered useless in their adulthood. Good on you - I hope others take note from your interest as a mother and good parent.
arabellasp1 8 months ago
@arabellasp1 Her father is NOT on benefits. He was laid off his job that he had had for MANY years about six months ago, and has not yet managed to find new employment. His wife and he worked at the same place and were laid off at the same time. His wife has found a new job as a matron in a nursing home, but she is earning much less than she did before. Before you cast aspersions on someone it would be only fitting if you knew the whole story. This is NOT a 'welfare' family!
2hotinaz 8 months ago 2
@chillinmofo99 Well the stuff that the mother-in-law had to tell her soon to be daughter-in-law is just normal common sense!! So it sounds like the daughter-in-law is a bit trashy, to be perfectly honest. If you have to tell someone those basic manners, then they definitley seem a bit gutterish. Being uncouth and impolite says a lot about this bride-to-be. Wonder what the groom-to-be sees in her?
chancery180 8 months ago
There is an enormous difference between manners and etiquette, the terms are not synonymous. Old school aristocratic etiquette was a means of segregating the poor from the rich, "new money" from "old money". It was a ridiculous collection of rules and customs that had no purpose other than to alienate the people that did not know them. Such customs, apparently, still exist in the world. True MANNERS, however, is making your guest feel comfortable at the expense of your own comfort and customs.
element222 8 months ago
@element222 Thank you for having good sense and really understanding the difference between 'manners' and snobbish 'etiquette'. It is ENORMOUS! And, you are so right. Carolyn has NO manners at all.
2hotinaz 8 months ago 3
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@2hotinaz “You regularly draw attention to yourself. Perhaps you should ask yourself why. It is tragic that you have diabetes. However, you aren’t the only young person in the world who is a diabetic. I know quite a few young people who have this condition. You do not need to regale everyone with the DETAILS of your condition or use it as an excuse to draw attention to yourself. It is vulgar.”
Clearly Heidi Withers is not only vile and uncouth but a liability too.
1807H 8 months ago
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arabellasp1 Wrong. Carolyn will be known forever as a conniving, evil bitch who deserves any flack she gets. What a status-obsessed, bigoted snob. Welcome to my block list.
MusicalMissCapri 8 months ago 8
@1807H Welcome to my block list, rotten snob...
MusicalMissCapri 8 months ago 7
The daughter of a physicist, Mrs Bourne attended Malvern Girls College, a boarding school that produces girls with a rigorous grasp of manners and etiquette. If Heidi Withers was brought up by her vulgar uncouth father, no wonder her behaviour is offensive. so typical of certain girls now days, just selfish with no manners. Heidi thinks that getting married in a castle will make her ladylike, then she will probably end up getting drunk wetting herself and vomiting on a 600 year old tapestry!
1807H 8 months ago
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Mrs Bourne owns the business in which she works very hard indeed and clearly from her own actions the withers girl is not only lacking in matters but quite vulgar generally. Freddie should dump this uncouth little goldigger along with her vile unemployed father. Find someone suitable Freddie - every word your step mother has written is clearly quite true.
rcfdx 7 months ago
Did Freddie have the stones to reply to his mother's letter?
This marriage will be getting off to the wrong start!
PlayIt4MeAgainSam 8 months ago
I love the snobbery of the poor, and they can be just as judgemental or more then the rich. They take the attitude of I can do anything I please and too bad for you. You are just too uppity and condescending and this offends me that I offend you. You ain't no better then me, I'm still gooder then you! OK, it is nice to make others comfortable, but how comfortable do you want to make those who appear clueless? They need to be advised if they appear ignorant unless to offend was intended.
Carrie581 8 months ago
Wrong! Bullying harassing emails are exempt from the supposed email privacy rules. Heidi was completely within her right to expose this pile of email vomit spewed out by this evil status-obsessed witch.
MusicalMissCapri 8 months ago 6
@MusicalMissCapri
Heidi Withers and her unemployed father will now be known forever as uncouth, vulgar and untrustworthy, a fate they have brought on themselves. Mrs. Bourne you are quite right. Every word of your email is good advice and our UK is becoming a nation of disrespectful, useless, layabouts that due to their spoilt childhoods and easy lives are rendered useless in their adulthood. Good on you - I hope others take note from your interest as a mother and good parent
1807H 8 months ago
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arabellasp1 8 months ago
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Mrs Bourne nailed it was in her criticism of uncouth Miss Withers propensity to discuss her diabetes. In my experience the world divides between those who never speak of illness and those who speak rarely of anything else. Her truly ghastly sounding soon-to-be stepdaughter-in-law should not stay in bed all day, insult her hosts and help herself to food. She should send a thankyou note and be respectful - particularly as they are paying for her wedding as her own father is broke and unemployed!
ebberlyx 8 months ago
The issue isn't really etiquette, but a power struggle. I've read the entire unedited email, and I think Mrs. Bourne went too far. If she really had issues with DIL she would've been woman enough to discuss it face to face and not send a meanspirited email like that. Makes me wonder if Mrs. Bourne is really trying to scare off DIL because she's jealous of her!
choosing2lookeast 8 months ago
@choosing2lookeast I agree, lol.
lewars1912 8 months ago
The simple problem is ‘ladette’ Heidi wanted an inappropriately lavish wedding that her disgusting inadequate father is not able to fund and expects Carolyn Bourne to pay for. Certainly, it appears Heidi has demonstrated on numerous other occasions she draws attention to herself through her lack of social graces and that’s the reason why she chose to publish the email now! This clearly vile and uncouth girl undoubtedly has numerous other problems and obviously cannot act in a civilized manner.
ultraxda 8 months ago 2
Carolyn Bourne is appalling! I can't express my disgust for her in one little outube comment but go to cbcf groupsite com and key in Bourne and you'll find her in the "Hall Of Idiocy"
MusicalMissCapri 8 months ago
@MusicalMissCapri There are several people I know with diabetes, they do not march about announcing it, it is a private matter and they know full well their limits and do not need to repeatedly bore people about specific details that should be a quite basic routine daily procedure. Sadly, Miss Withers is vulgar, rude, objectionable and clearly has somewhat limited interpersonal skills, being an attention seeker who publishes private letters she may have far more serious psychological issues.
GXQA 8 months ago
@GXQA It's Bourne who has issues for writing such a nasty email in the first place. She comes off as an aging harpy attacking a woman who is younger and prettier. Bourne is literally the wicked stepmother.
choosing2lookeast 8 months ago 2
I disagree with you it’s clearly Miss Withers who’s common and vulgar with somewhat limited interpersonal skills. Being an attention seeker who also publishes private letters demonstrates she may have more serious psychological issues together with diabetes that most patients manage effectively. Sadly, Miss Withers and her unemployed father have demonstrated they are both disgusting and uncouth with the main problem being they want Mrs. Bourn to pay for an inappropriately lavish castle wedding.
GXQA 8 months ago
The simple problem is ‘ladette’ Heidi wanted an inappropriately lavish wedding that her inadequate father is not able to fund and expects Carolyn Bourne to pay for. Certainly, it appears Heidi has demonstrated on numerous other occasions she draws attention to herself through her lack of social graces and that’s the reason why she chose to publish the email now! This clearly vile and uncouth girl undoubtedly has numerous other problems and obviously cannot act in a civilised manner.
ultraxda 8 months ago
Yes, I agree. He's the one who is going to suffer. Poor guy....:>(
Speaking of rude. This is the worst place for rude people. I've never seen anything like it.
What happened to nice discussions about topics.
8332rats 8 months ago
Yes, I agree. He's the one who is going to suffer. Poor guy....:>(
8332rats 8 months ago
@MiniMimi40 Mimi- I didn't say "she" ruined her wedding, but her friend who decided he/she had the right to make someone elses family matter public to the entire world. Hopefully work out for the best for everyone, as I think this match is doomed to failure at this point. Unless they stay away from the families, & can work it out themselves. Even a woman like Carolyn needs serious provocation to respond w/such anger, & my gut tells me that this was not the first incident. She has feelings, also.
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
@MiniMimi40 You made your childhood abuse issues CLEAR in your previous posts-& I SINCERELY sympathize. But projecting your emotions onto someone elses situation distorts your thinking. There are counselors available to help w/that. As for your cursing/name-calling, F#ck you, Butch. I agree it'd be great for everyone if she goes away & finds someone else-must be plenty of guys with families rich enough to pay for "Princess Heidi"'s castle wedding!! NONE of us knows all the details-INCLUDING YOU.
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
@welshrarebeats Well matey, since you don't live here, you don't really know what American women are like-do you? Let me break it down for you... "Modern" means in the present, contemporary. "Feminist"-well, if you don't know what that means, google it, or read some of the radical feminist male-hating propaganda-there's plenty of it around & they are complete, power-hungry hypocrites. "America"-well, that's self-explanatory (though Eurpoeans stole it from Natives, & US is only part of "America")
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
@welshrarebeats
The future bride-to-be sounds like a right little gold digging Princess who thinks she can come into someone else's home and make her demands. I am glad this lady pointed out her lack of manners to her (and now to the rest of the world, thanks to her passing on the email to all and sundry. Nice how this back-fired on her - we all now know how vile, uncouth and obnoxious she must be!). Visitors should respect the rules of the homes they visit.
xda1807 8 months ago
The email completely within reason. Evidently Heidi Withers has had plenty of opportunity to be gracious, polite, and showing some evidence of grooming in the manners department. Most young people these days have few manners regardless of gender, income level, etc. It is a sad state of affairs to say the least. Carolyn Bourne must have reached her wits end. The fact that this email reached the public's light of day...proves the future gold digging daughter-in-law is vulgar and uncouth.
ultraxda 8 months ago
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ultraxda 8 months ago
I suspect that Bookguitarguy is Carolyn Bourne's YouTube id.
trishsus 8 months ago
@trishsus Oh damn- how'd you figure it out? Clearly you're much too sharp for me to ever pull the wool over YOUR eyes. :O) That damned, rude little strumpet, I'll get her if it's the last thing I do!!
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
@welshrarebeats
One further problem is Heidi wanted an inappropriately lavish wedding that her inadequate father is not able to fund and expects Mrs. B. to pay for. Certainly, it appears Heidi has demonstrated on numerous other occasions she draws attention to herself through her lack of social graces and that’s the reason why she chose to publish the email now! This clearly vile and uncouth girl undoubtedly has numerous other problems and obviously cannot act in a civilized manner.
ultraxda 8 months ago
Do I have to listen to her?
animusicluver 8 months ago
Write email complaining about lack of manners.
Lack manners to confront person face to face.
It's called practice what you preach.
After all, it's the polite thing to do.
Also The DIL had diabetes which causes people to be careful about what they eat, and how they eat it. Having low blood sugar can sometimes cause a person to sleep deeper than usual.
Having manners also means being a gracious hostess.
Point goes to the daughter in law.
Sorry STEPmother.
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MyLifeAtSchoolAUS 8 months ago
@welshrarebeats That girl's a selfish, spoiled bitch (unfortunately, all too typical in modern feminist America). I would've told her to hit the Mcdonald's drive-thru, rather than disrespect me in my own house. Somebody needs to draw lines in the sand for these bitches, because their mothers/men/Women's Studies classes aren't teaching them responsibility toward others. It's all about THEM-all the TIME. Gets old after awhile. 2 for 1 on Big Macs-get 'em while they're hot! & save for your wedding!
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
Heidi, run for your life !
plparies43 8 months ago
Stepson get some balls. Mother, this lady is to be my wife, you made your choices and I will make mine. You choose whether you want to be in our life or not. Accept her as she is, or not at all. Standards? What is more important people or rules? We will sleep in when we are tired, in my parents home or ours.
wylutube15 8 months ago
@MiniMimi40 Nazis? Exaggerating a bit aren't you?? Your bad experiences don't give YOU the right to tell someone else what to do in THEIR HOUSE!! You're projecting your own experiences on her (this msg, & the one below). Being selfish, rude, & ungrateful in the house of someone who has taken the time to prepare a meal for you is not "loving"-it's a slap in the face. GOOD for the mother for calling her on it! Sounds like this bitch (Heidi) would take over/dominate the whole family if they let her
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
@bookguitarguy Oh please the mother in law is clearly a CUNT just like you are for backing her up. Your bitchness is confirmed. XD
misOBGYNist 8 months ago
WTG mom-in-law ... young ladies (and I use the term loosely) need to learn manners, especially if their mothers didn't teach them any !!
Royann5267 8 months ago
@Royann5267 Right on, Royann. Feminist "domination", insensitivity & rejection of anything "feminine"-like nurturing, respect, gratitude, grace, humility, courtesy towards others, listening etc- have given us some EXTREMELY SELF-CENTERED & DISAGREEABLE creatures since the 70s!! American womyn DON'T have to go to the other extreme- helpless, spineless, dependent, etc- to learn some RESPECT for other people. They CAN'T have it all- it's NOT "all about them"- sacrifice for family is NOT oppression!
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
@bookguitarguy I don't agree. manners is not only something taught but also falls into the classification of "common sense" that isn't so common anymore, while feminism is a not even relevant. Feminism has nothing to do with picking up your shoes so they aren't in the door way and a tripping hazard in someone elses home! my 15 and 16 yr old sons both know when done eating to clear their plates to the kitchen ..does that make them dominatrixes? comparing apples 2 oranges dude!
Royann5267 8 months ago
@Royann5267 COMPLETELY disagree (but you're entitled to an opinion). Feminism joined forces w/the black power movement in the 70s to demonize white men as the common enemy, in a POWER GRAB (racist/sexist/hypocritical) which has done little but destroy families & create more polarization & hatred (rather than harmony). Young girls are poisoned by FEMINISM on TV/in schools/by older feminist womyn who are EVERY bit as aggressive & power hungry as the stereotypical men they criticize. ALL ABOUT THEM
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
@TheBornToBeBanned HAHAHAHAHA.
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TheBornToBeForlorn 8 months ago
Hey, maybe Heidi is an over-indulged BRAT who needed to be enlightened. Carolyn doesn't sound wrapped too tight, but she was probably dead right. Go elope now, Heidi. Your marriage will be over in less than 24 months. :)
TheBornToBeForlorn 8 months ago
Carolyn Bourne is an uptight snob!
serenity0324 8 months ago
SO SO SO CUTE !!
marcosaba360 8 months ago
@marcosaba360 utter rubbish. its up to the family to adjust to the guest aswell. its like the store and the customer, and the customer is always right... its called hospitality, its called friendlieness and openness. add to this the requirements from the bourne "lady" was just silly. people like that deserves their money stripped from them a couple of years
masedama 8 months ago
@masedama Not utter rubbish-only (at best) 50% rubbish. A guest also has a responsibility to show respect. That has nothing to do w/friendliness, only showing gratitude for the meal, humility in not assuming you can grab as much as you want when others are also hungry, appreciation (not complaining about type/quantity of food), self-control (not digging in first while hosts who prepared meal are getting seated), etc. PLUS poor judgment sending private msg to stupid friend-who broadcast to WORLD!
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
Also, "hinting" to the parents of the man you (supposedly) love & want to marry (money??) that you would like them to spend A LOT of money on your wedding (castles aren't cheap!!)-despite the fact that your parents can't contribute much? Not the way I'd try to build a relationship w/the parents of someone I loved. If she REALLY loved him, she should (imo) have shown them respect in their home-for HIS sake if not theirs. In view of all she said/did, I'd consider her a selfish bitch & warn my son!
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
@masedama - that´s right buddy !!
marcosaba360 8 months ago
Carolyn is dead-on with the exception of two things...
- How she said what she said
- Expecting handwritten letters from young ones today (Heidi should've sent an e-mail)
She may have been a wee bit 'cunty' in her e-mail but she was correct.
buckskipper 8 months ago
actually her name is carolyn bucket, pronounced bouquet
gahitoldyou 8 months ago
Bitches are cunts who need discipline. This withered old smelly bitch thinks her shit doesn't stink even though her breath smells like shit & her twat is dried up & looks like expired supermarket veal.
She needed a reality check from early on but her parents no doubt were losers too.
misOBGYNist 8 months ago
@misOBGYNist LMFAO. Dude... I couldn't say it any better than you just did. :)
TheBornToBeForlorn 8 months ago
@TheBornToBeForlorn Just tellin' it like it is broman. ; )
misOBGYNist 8 months ago
@misOBGYNist MisOBGYNist?? Sounds like your parents weren't anything to write home about, either... :O) I agree-women do need some boundaries, & maybe an occasional spanking now and then (esp the young, attractive ones who think they rule the world, & cause pain & turmoil for others). Still, I detect that somebody's a little bitter & angry here? From what you said, I'm gonna go out on a limb & guess that your mother did some very nasty things you did NOT like, & did not bathe on a regular basis.
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
@bookguitarguy Damn, at first you had it on point, but at the end, you sound like a pure mangina.
A man doesn't have to pull punches. Mistaking a straight shooter who speaks his mind for someone bitter is a bitch's reaction to the truth. Are you a bitch 'bookguitarguy?'
misOBGYNist 8 months ago
It's not Caroline Bourne's future mother in law's duty to teach her future DIL etiquette.
This Mother in Law probably won't be part of her son's life in the future and not in the lives of her future grandchildren.
I'm a MIL and I treat my DIL with respect. She has become like a daughter to me.
8332rats 8 months ago
@8332rats Missing the point. She clearly felt disrespected in her own home (& who knows how many other incidents there were before that? Though harsh, she has a right to have & express her feelings, though "I statements" might have been better than attacks. She didn't know Heidi would broadcast her msg to the entire world through a STUPID, indiscreet, WISE-ASSED friend. Friend's '''joke" has given them all 15 mins of fame, ruined the wedding (if there is one) & guaranteed years of bad feelings!!
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
@bookguitarguy
Perhaps, but they will NEVER have a good relationship. Sometimes when you have a guest, you kind of have to lump it. That goes both ways.
But I don't think they will cross paths again.. Either the prospective groom will ditch his mother and never see her again or ditch the bride.
But I agree with you, it was her home and her son, etc. It's just that in doing so, it made it impossible for the groom to have both his bride and his mother.
It's the groom I feel for.
8332rats 8 months ago
@8332rats You're right-it does go both ways. I too feel for the guy. I agree the mother's email will force him to "choose", but also think Heide's rudeness to his parents at the dinner table put him in a position of having to choose as well. Or at least, must have made him very uncomfortable. I wonder how close he was to his mother before this happened... I suspect she was concerned for him (re Heide's selfishness/greed), & trying to lay down some guidelines. I'm guessing Heide dominates him too
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
Get out of there Heidi..............
normken 8 months ago
ha ha! The snobbish "mother-in-law from hell" has truly got egg on her face now! Lol! Bad manners?! Is it, or is it not considered (in polite society!) bad manners to publicly criticise one's own son's intended fiance ?!?! What a bitch! (Indeed.)
michealangelo33 8 months ago 2
Brilliant e-mail by Mrs B, who is clearly of a generation that knows about manners, unlike most of the youth of today. I fully support Mrs B and hope the girl in question takes the hint - she either bucks up her ideas, attitude and manners or she clears off out of the family. If Freddie has any sense he would make the choice for her - tell Heidi to get lost and find a decent, well mannered girl instead of some vile common chav, there are plenty around I am sure.
ultraxda 8 months ago 9
@ultraxda
It is clear that you have not read the whole email, which is just what I would expect from idiots who try to disguise their lack of class with artificial 'manners'. Carolyn Bourne attacked Heidi Whithers FOR BEING A DIABETIC, which is why she was so picky with her diet. Yeah, can you imagine? Attack someone for their medical condition. Real manners, that.
1tephania 8 months ago
@ultraxda
Furthermore, the latter part of the email is strewn with nasty personal attacks on her daughter-in-law and classicist sneering at her humbler origins - what century is this we are living in by the way? Aristocracy is dead, we live in a free, equal and democratic society, and a Queen should not be talking like that to the humblest citizen in the realm.
Anyone who supports this horrible nobility-wanna be are idiots.
1tephania 8 months ago
@ultraxda Except Mrs B is a thrice married woman who had her first child out of wedlock and married money, beginning her horticultural career on a market stall, where as Miss W is actually descended from landed gentry (her parents have been happily married for 30 years). It is the height of bad manners to out out someone else's bad manners, which just goes to show that the step-mother from hell is trying to be something which she is not. Miss W should get out while she still can!
CatChester66 8 months ago
@CatChester66 The facts are Mrs. B. actually married the man she had her first child with and subsequently made a most successful career through hard work, is respected in the horticultural industry and happily married. Miss W’s disgusting father clearly uncouth too, has no manners either (making vile and obscene comments to the press about private family matters) and is in fact unemployed (unemployable?) and on welfare benefits although remotely descended from landowners centuries ago!
ultraxda 8 months ago 2
@michealangelo33 I respect people's right to AN opinion, but wish they'd get the facts straight b4 PUBLICLY broadcasting them!! (only adds confusion & causes more bad feelings). Bourne did not "publicly" do anything, she sent an EMAIL to her (RUDE/SELF-CENTERED) future daughter-in-law. HEIDI forwarded it to her friends (making it PUBLIC). Then one of her friends made it even more public on the INTERNET-so, no one to blame but herself! 15 mins of fame/ruined wedding. FREDDIE-DUMP THE BITCH QUICK!
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
@bookguitarguy
If Bourne was really as mannered and civilized as she claimed herself to be, she would have had a personal talk, not send it in an email.
Furthermore, it is clear you have only read the media-edited version of the email - try looking for the full text. It is far nastier than you know, and completely puts a different light on the circumstances.
1tephania 8 months ago
@1tephania Fair enough, I'll check out the full version, but I still think that Heide was disrespectful in doing the things she did as a guest. Sounds like the mother has her own issues, but also is concerned about her son marrying someone who is that selfish, and was trying to send a message to Heide about respect. I'll read the full email if I can find it, but still tired of spoiled/selfish American women who think the world owes them something. Thanks for the heads up.
bookguitarguy 8 months ago
Is Mrs. Bourne's daughter in law an American, by any chance? lol.
TheMinisterofDefence 8 months ago
@RobWillieJesse Definitely a good thing.
dhatje 8 months ago 13
First! Cool vid btw
MegaSupercat123 8 months ago
@MegaSupercat123 Well done and thank you. Love Squeak xx
squeakswheel 8 months ago