Good technique, different from ITF standards but who cares: quicker rhythm and some difference in the middle blocks, but you got plenty of power, balance and attitude. The rest is a matter of style of choice. My only correction (beyond personal preferences) is that you guys are chambering the low blocks crossing your arms too high, in front of your face. You are not supposed to ever put your own hands in front of your face as path of a technique intended to finish elsewhere. Keep it up!
@christianpunk20 traditional tkd was "too japanese". That is why it was changed. To give tkd a korean flavor, like tae kyon. But in the process, they killed the importance of the forms.
@thaiboxer5 Agree. Most of the taekwondo schools, if all, fore-go its karate roots giving instructors a ridiculous claim that taekwondo came from takkyeon.
@thaiboxer5 I beg to differ; here at Master Park Institute in Minnesota HE IS VERY STRICT on the Forms of Tae Kwon Do mess up once we get 2 Knuckle Push Ups and add 3, after 5 they add 5 soo mess up 3 times on form you get 10 Knuckle Push ups and so on... Koren Tae Kwon Do still have importance to the Forms, you are wrong ThaiBoxer5
@KHA0XS I think you misunderstood. @thaiboxer5 is not saying that practicing the forms have lost importance in modern TKD, But rather that the forms where altered with less emphasis on ergonomic and applicable functionality.
@KHA0XS i'm not referring to how well you perform the form. I am referencing the application of the form. original tkd came from japanese karate. However those two cultures have had a lot of bad blood between eachother over the years. consequently, the tkd forms were changed from their root japanese forms to make them more korean looking in nature - high, flashy, jump spinning techniques, etc. things not done in traditional japanese forms.
@KHA0XS if you look at a form in a traditional style, the techniques have a purpose. they are locks, throws, takedowns, etc. modern forms are just pretty. much of the meaning has been removed. look at a chinese wushu form then look at a traditional kung fu form. you can see the difference. look at a modern tkd form and look at an old tkd or tang soo do form - you can see the difference.
@thaiboxer5 Here at Park Institute we learn how they have done these originally; Korea made Tae Kwon Do yes used some parts from Japan but Japanese made Ninjutsu and so forth and most Martial Arts such as; Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Ninjutsu which come from its own country.
@scarred10 patterns are not a waste. The meaningless ones are. Ever watch wrestlers, judoka, etc train? They repeatedly drill the same technique. Take any single technique from a form and you have the same thing. The problem is that ppl assume forms are teaching you to fight multiple ppl. That is incorrect.
hes actually not shouting. in each form theres things called "kia's" its a expulsion of breath to force you to breath. (teaches you self-control of breathing so you dont run out as easy).
just like in the first form he practices (chun-ji) theres three kia's in it. one at the first move, 2nd at 8, and 3rd at the last.
basically. its to just teach thep erson how to breath properly when doing the forms and for intimidation.
First off, please don't take this as bashing... I do respect my fellow martial artists. But you have this titled as a "traditional" pattern. However, according to the Tae Kwon Do encyclopedia written by General Choi, your inner forearm blocks should be shoulder level.. not eye level. Both black belts here are doing eye level.
You made this as a video response to Jaroslaw Suska's form... but note his forearm blocks and his slow pace. They are both things that need to be fixed here.
@christianpunk20 what they mean by traditional is before the advent of the sine wave rubbish,original itf patterns before choi changed them for no good reason.They are wearing wtf uiforms so im guessing theyre an independant tkd that dont belong to either world body.Patterns are a waste of time anyway.
@christianpunk20 yes they also didn't look before turning stances were in good placement and strike were after feet landed not while. This is evidence of why so many people knock good style, I believe it has everything to do with poor teaching and the money grabbing aspect of some martial arts. My teacher would rather have 2 great yellow belts then ten loosy black belts. Now I bet they can break broads and do some high fly kicks. But the forms are where all the secrets are!!!
@MathewJoki 't yeah I know if you don't look before turning you can't see where your opponent is. I also know that if you don't lock out your back leg you lose are lagre amount of stabilty and power in your strikes, and a puch thrown without a rooted stances is easily countered. I also understand that your blocks are all arm strenght and have 0% of your hip in them when your turn into them. Check out a good form from a Korean martial artist. Mrblackbelt42.
We perform it in a different way: we never shout while performing, only after we shout the name of the pattern. And if the moves and the position are basically the same, we move in a totally different way. Maybe it is because this is traditional Taekwondo while ours is not... To see how we perform it just take a look at this: /watch?v=q1usXzVAehg&feature=related
Good technique, different from ITF standards but who cares: quicker rhythm and some difference in the middle blocks, but you got plenty of power, balance and attitude. The rest is a matter of style of choice. My only correction (beyond personal preferences) is that you guys are chambering the low blocks crossing your arms too high, in front of your face. You are not supposed to ever put your own hands in front of your face as path of a technique intended to finish elsewhere. Keep it up!
ManuelAdrogue 6 months ago
I train both traditional tkd and itf and its almost the same as shotokan karate with slightly different punches and kicks and more relaxed stances
kayzilla96 6 months ago
@christianpunk20 traditional tkd was "too japanese". That is why it was changed. To give tkd a korean flavor, like tae kyon. But in the process, they killed the importance of the forms.
thaiboxer5 8 months ago 5
@thaiboxer5 Agree. Most of the taekwondo schools, if all, fore-go its karate roots giving instructors a ridiculous claim that taekwondo came from takkyeon.
6arcsn1sky 6 months ago
@thaiboxer5 I beg to differ; here at Master Park Institute in Minnesota HE IS VERY STRICT on the Forms of Tae Kwon Do mess up once we get 2 Knuckle Push Ups and add 3, after 5 they add 5 soo mess up 3 times on form you get 10 Knuckle Push ups and so on... Koren Tae Kwon Do still have importance to the Forms, you are wrong ThaiBoxer5
KHA0XS 2 months ago
@KHA0XS I think you misunderstood. @thaiboxer5 is not saying that practicing the forms have lost importance in modern TKD, But rather that the forms where altered with less emphasis on ergonomic and applicable functionality.
MathewJoki 2 months ago
@MathewJoki yes, matthew, that is exactly what I meant.
thaiboxer5 2 months ago
@KHA0XS i'm not referring to how well you perform the form. I am referencing the application of the form. original tkd came from japanese karate. However those two cultures have had a lot of bad blood between eachother over the years. consequently, the tkd forms were changed from their root japanese forms to make them more korean looking in nature - high, flashy, jump spinning techniques, etc. things not done in traditional japanese forms.
thaiboxer5 2 months ago
@KHA0XS if you look at a form in a traditional style, the techniques have a purpose. they are locks, throws, takedowns, etc. modern forms are just pretty. much of the meaning has been removed. look at a chinese wushu form then look at a traditional kung fu form. you can see the difference. look at a modern tkd form and look at an old tkd or tang soo do form - you can see the difference.
thaiboxer5 2 months ago
@thaiboxer5 Here at Park Institute we learn how they have done these originally; Korea made Tae Kwon Do yes used some parts from Japan but Japanese made Ninjutsu and so forth and most Martial Arts such as; Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Ninjutsu which come from its own country.
KHA0XS 2 months ago
@scarred10 patterns are not a waste. The meaningless ones are. Ever watch wrestlers, judoka, etc train? They repeatedly drill the same technique. Take any single technique from a form and you have the same thing. The problem is that ppl assume forms are teaching you to fight multiple ppl. That is incorrect.
thaiboxer5 8 months ago
In my 20+ years I have certainly seen worse! Keep it up guys - Pil Sung!
batemanTKD 1 year ago
I guess Im not that good but I thought these guys did an excellent Chon Ji. After 35 years of ITF Oh DO Kwan Training maybe Im losing my touch.
jiggahippo 1 year ago
Chon Ji is after Oh Do Kwan. It was Taekwondo Chung Hun
sipak 1 year ago
@86424
hes actually not shouting. in each form theres things called "kia's" its a expulsion of breath to force you to breath. (teaches you self-control of breathing so you dont run out as easy).
just like in the first form he practices (chun-ji) theres three kia's in it. one at the first move, 2nd at 8, and 3rd at the last.
basically. its to just teach thep erson how to breath properly when doing the forms and for intimidation.
botosainaki 1 year ago
not above the head
warrlic2 1 year ago
yes as well in the taekwondo encyclopedia it also says that the crossing for these blocks should be slightly above shoulder level
warrlic2 1 year ago
First off, please don't take this as bashing... I do respect my fellow martial artists. But you have this titled as a "traditional" pattern. However, according to the Tae Kwon Do encyclopedia written by General Choi, your inner forearm blocks should be shoulder level.. not eye level. Both black belts here are doing eye level.
You made this as a video response to Jaroslaw Suska's form... but note his forearm blocks and his slow pace. They are both things that need to be fixed here.
christianpunk20 1 year ago 5
@christianpunk20 what they mean by traditional is before the advent of the sine wave rubbish,original itf patterns before choi changed them for no good reason.They are wearing wtf uiforms so im guessing theyre an independant tkd that dont belong to either world body.Patterns are a waste of time anyway.
scarred10 9 months ago
@christianpunk20 yes they also didn't look before turning stances were in good placement and strike were after feet landed not while. This is evidence of why so many people knock good style, I believe it has everything to do with poor teaching and the money grabbing aspect of some martial arts. My teacher would rather have 2 great yellow belts then ten loosy black belts. Now I bet they can break broads and do some high fly kicks. But the forms are where all the secrets are!!!
stagolee24 5 months ago
@stagolee24 You have no idea what you're talking about. Go back and study the roots of TKD.
MathewJoki 4 months ago
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stagolee24 4 months ago
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stagolee24 4 months ago
@MathewJoki 't yeah I know if you don't look before turning you can't see where your opponent is. I also know that if you don't lock out your back leg you lose are lagre amount of stabilty and power in your strikes, and a puch thrown without a rooted stances is easily countered. I also understand that your blocks are all arm strenght and have 0% of your hip in them when your turn into them. Check out a good form from a Korean martial artist. Mrblackbelt42.
stagolee24 4 months ago
@christianpunk20 That's a great comment. Very constructive and observant.
kiwisdad1 4 months ago
We perform it in a different way: we never shout while performing, only after we shout the name of the pattern. And if the moves and the position are basically the same, we move in a totally different way. Maybe it is because this is traditional Taekwondo while ours is not... To see how we perform it just take a look at this: /watch?v=q1usXzVAehg&feature=related
86424 1 year ago
Front stance is killing me!
ParkourAssassin08 1 year ago 2
the foot work on the guy nearest to us is really bad ya no if i did my patteren like that id get 100 press ups for a start off
also surely the reson for you putting this on hear is so others can learn this pattern yes
well slow it down if i was grading you id fail you end off to fast small moves ya want slow woth big moves
dazminto 1 year ago
I'm learning this right now. Its fun. This totally helped me b/c I keep screwing up the second half.
articat250 2 years ago 2