"We don't come here as scientists, but as regular guys (actor and author). We want to show you that the existence of God can be proven."
They totally discredited themselves in the opening. Why should I listen to anything they have to say if there's no study, backing, or science behind it?
@wendy217056 Really? Please explain to me how you have come to this conclusion? There are many other theories on the creation of the universe and they are much less flawed than "intelligent design", so please explain your reasoning?
@wendy217056 There is nothing in the universe so far seen that hints at any type of creation. I've never seen a god or being create a tree or a dog? I doubt any astronomer has seen a star being designed. Your theory also explains nothing about the creation of the universe. Saying any god or gods created the universe solves nothing, all it does is further the dilemna, its like your theory, if everything is created by a creator lie you propose who created the creator and so on?
I'm fine with people having religious beliefs. However I feel inclined to defend science when religion get's in it's way for improvement towards life. It's unfortunate fundamentalists have to force kids to learn about creationism and not evolution because without learning the legitimate topic about evolution, how will our future doctors, researchers figure out how to cure diseases such as malaria or AIDS?
Why don't piranhas murder each other or eat each other in a feeding frenzy? Do you think it's because they read the bible and found out god said it was bad, or do you think it's because you don't need a 2000 year old book to realize killing another of your kind is bad? If fish can figure it out, why can't you Kirk?
I'm an atheist because I study physics and have come to terms with the way reality actually SEEMS to be constructed... If the God of the Bible is the same one that wrote the laws of physics, I fear for God's sanity.
the existence of god can be proven??? this reminds me of a passage in the bible.seems there's this man wondering in the desert and a spirit temps him to prove if he is the son of god, the man is tempted 3 times by the spirit and the man never falls into temptation to prove anything-now my question is why do these christians act like the spirit and try and prove the existence of god using temptation?
@a1saouse He wasn't tempted by 'the spirit' He,(being Jesus) was tempted by the devil, and He basically told the devil that he had no power over Him---that doesn't relate at all
@dylandecrayk The devil is a spirit. . .because he is not mortal... The bible says you cannot temp god &god cannot temp anyone.... True? so how can Jesus be god if he is tempted three times? True; Jesus refuses temptation though he is tempted.
@dylandecrayk Oh. . . you are one of the millions of people that turns Jesus into god... a1 welcomes that! Though its interesting to hear the multitudes make this conversion a1 takes great pleasure in listening to you and fellow believers trying to convince your selfs of this conversion; of man into god.
O that cunning plan of the evil one ! O the vainness and the frailties , and the foolishness of men ! When they are learned they think they are wise , and they hearken not unto the counsel of God , for they set it aside , supposing they know of themselves, wherefore their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not . And they shall perish .
And whoso knocketh ,to him will he open ;and the wise and the learned ,and they that are rich ,who are puffed up because of their learning ,he despiseth
So people think god exists because the bible says so........and my priest called me crazy cause I believed Hogwarts existed because of the harry potter books.......well there only one bible and 7 harry potter books so I have seven times as much prove, so i win hahaha.............EXPECTO PATRONUM!
We don't come to you as "rocket scientists"? No kidding...
Kirk (and by extension any Creationists watching this video), take it from a "rocket scientist" (I am an Astrophysicist). Actors and laymen can't debate these topics if you are uninformed on the topics. You wouldn't see me trying to argue the pros vs cons of 'method acting' with Kirk, because frankly, I admit I am underinformed on the topic and have no basis for debate.
I think we as members of the scientific community can eliminate some of these problems of "transitional forms" by making it clear in our explanation of such creatures that there are classifications for these creatures which may not be clearly one or the other.
For example, those organisms which may be bridging the gap of reptile to avian, fish to amphibian, we have drummed into the publics head these "groups" of creatures and left out the transitional "groups", hence they're dazed.
these guys are so stupid. Didn't god make it so there was no proof of him so people would have to have faith. So trying to find proof would be a sin. Even if some day they found truth then there would be no need for faith which is what it is based on. yeah, these guys are stupid.
yes I have seen the sign in London museum abt Darwinism, it is easy to use words 2 turn meaning 2 what u want it 2 b. If u do not know that is what is being done then u r suckered 2 believe what others want u 2 b-lieve. Knowing the sign was wrong, Actually Darwin denied real science, came up w/his own. If true we would b seeing his theories today. Expect increase in information-not happen, decrease in info-true. Darwin failed
Are people seriously still debating if evolution is real or not? Ummm I hate to tell you but the verdict is in....read a fucking book. Start with the Blind Watchmaker.
@tubiejonny Dawkins,"seen living things..2 probable.beautifully designed 2 have come n 2 existence by chance." U hav 2 b wise r else deceived. teachings in U's today "that animals evolve the only 1's adapted to env. r 1's survived so obviously looked designed so there4 parent design is not a parent design is not evidence of design but is evidence of evolution. Speaks 2 DNA, it has a language of its own, must be in order else not work, dna makes code system, reads dna, makes code system. ORDER
@hross233 ...I must have read what you wrote 100 times, and I just can't figure out what you are talking about. Do you think you could rewrite it in english?
evolution cant be proven, funny thing atheist have faith too, it is not logic and reson that they seek but to take God out of the picture, thats all, and they try to calm down and silence their conscience (Holy Spirit), because everyone knows of the coming judgment, guess to proud tu submit to the Lord
@MsOtit Actually evolution is fact, the theory is not fact but a powerful theory backed up by much evidence. So no, we don't have faith in it, cause if there is irrefutable evidence the theory is wrong, we're not desperately trying to clamp onto it, but for the last centuries none is found. Good luck silencing your conscience and with that your brain, because your gaps are shrinking alarmingly fast. You are submitting yourself to a concept that only has the power over you that you are giving it.
@avdmeers Evolution failed but man wanting to force his truth is not. In DNA, genetics it is proven Darwin is wrong. Info. decreases not increases over, over, over-proven. Matter does not produce information-proven. no natural law thru which matter gives rise to info. neither physical process or material phenoenon known-proven. matter can not generate coding systems. mutations come from greater info of intell-proven. no known info can originate of itself from matter=proven
@hross233 Mutations can add/subtract information to/from the the genome - CB102. Information is matter (e.g. genes -> transcription, translation), and a system arises, basic genetics here. Define information for me? Mutations are not intel-driven, rather beneficial mutation persist due to increased fitness, selection will increase its frequency in a population - CB101.1 Mutations account for new traits or possibly new features - CB101.2. Talkorigins provides documented examples, codes given.
@kingseho I believe in facts, in empirical truth. Pokemons exist just as much as Jesus Christ, for the bible gives as much proof as any document on pokemons
Trying to prove god exists WITH evidence means you dont understand what faith is. I personaly am not religious but understan faith. So basicaly. Those people dont know what they believe in.
If God made proof of God too strong than God would be twisting your arm. And if God made knowing Him too easy, faith would not be needed. Faith is the belief in things not seen. God is only seen when, you look at nature and see and understand its complexity, meet Jesus face to face or by faith, God comes into your room and you have a face to face conversation. But for most of use it is by faith. Not easy, but so much of life is by faith. Much we trust but never seen. Love, gravity, faith.
@MRGV7373 If God made proof strong it would be the perfect answer to what is needed. What is wrong with him showing himself fully in whatever way he wants and then having people follow him or not? But trying to rely on a bible written so long ago and based on that, trying to say believe this or rot in hell, c'mon man....Religions twist you arm with no evidence and say believe this or die. God appearing would not be twisting anybody's arm.
@rovingdesertfox If Jesus is God, and Jesus was the proof that God wanted to give, you would still need faith at Two levels. First, that the authors of the 4 gosples and letters of the NT wrote down what they saw ard heard was correct and accurate. The second part woul be that what Jesus said was done with a sound mind and that Jesus' miracles were valid and that Jesus is what He said he was - the word of God coming down from heaven. The 2 faith are for you to deal with, I know what I trust
@MRGV7373 Forget all the christian stuff. I wasn't referring at all to that. Personally, I don't believe Jesus is divine and I KNOW that the bible is not the word of god.
@rovingdesertfox You can not know any more or less that the bible is God word or not God Word. Each person gets to decide that for themselves. To know that Jessu is devine is what faith leads to. The bible is writen by humans and in my opinion is inspired by God. The rest is opinion. I have studied a year at college of acient history, reviewed the bible in great detail over a 40 year persiod of time and have concluded that the history is reliable. no different than the writing of Ceasar.
@MRGV7373 You can believe anything you want, but wouldn't it be nice if it were true? Faith does not help in ANY way. You would never apply this thinking to anything else. But, it's your life. Think what you like.
Just pointing out to you it's chance of agreeing with reality is little to none.
@rovingdesertfox Over a billion people on earth agree that Jesus is good history, and maybe more. Anyone with a deep background in ancient history does not dispute that Jesus lived. Many will disupte if Jesus is truily God. Many people believe that Jesus is God that came down to eath. Paul in the new testament said, that if Jesus did not rise from the dead, he has lived his life in vain. I would make the same comment. I know that he rose from the dead since many saw Jesus after death.
@MRGV7373 People used to say the earth was flat, many millions of them, but they were wrong. Just because a lot of people believe something does not make it true. If you have evidence that your bible is true, I'd like to hear it. You live in a belief system my friend; you just think it is reality. You have no idea that Jesus rose from the dead, you've just heard it from others. You think all this is true, but know nothing. You've never analyzed your faith. Try it
@rovingdesertfox Yes, but many people show that it does have an historical basis. The last 100 years of digs in old cities in Israel have dug up most of the ancient cities. Jerusalem and the areas around the temple have found the sites of the temple priest of Jesus day. Capernum, Nazareth, and many of Jesus travel site are well established as valid locations. Hearing from other is very valid approach. How did you learn about the current President, your great grand parents. From others.
@rovingdesertfox I have spent thousands or hours studying my faith. I grew up Catholic, left the church and have spent 40 years, reading over 300 books on the Christian faith, ancient history, theolog... I have over 10,000 hours of reading time on many ideas on why I believe in Jesus the Christ. So don't make such statements. I trust the historicla truth of NT writers. Evidence, geological digs, outside historical documents, church history, visiting Rome, viewing documentaries, Many proofs
@rovingdesertfox I know my faith and I have gone through Hell and High Water and nothing will stop my faith in God. God has become a great friend of mine and has tried me to my life almost ended. I would sooner die than ever depart from my faith.
@MRGV7373 I would never deny you what you need to live. My only point is the truth and REALITY of such a story and a god that would set up life to watch the majority of humans suffer everlastingly. Can you honestly believe that for the millions of people that have suffered, searched, pleaded for knowledge about why we are here and what to do to be a good servant to this world, that unless they believe as the bible or christian religion outlines, that they will suffer in hell forever?
@rovingdesertfox You never did answer my question about George Washington. Real or not real.?? Why are you afraid of the truth. History can only be accepted as truthful or valid if it attested by people who saw the event and wrote about it . So if Washington can be true, so can Jesus. Both have witness that state the truth. History is only validated by eye witness accounts. Now we can use more than eyewitnesses. But before 150 years ago, written eye witness accounts are what we have.
@MRGV7373 So, if you are saying that Jesus existed, fine. Does it follow that because he existed, all of the claims in the bible are true? How many interested hands has the bible passed through? Back in the first century, stories passed verbally between people, did they not? Were any of these stories embellished? No doubt about it. People were trying to convert people to this new religion, and noses grew as stories were told. How do you prove theological dogma?
@rovingdesertfox Now we get down to faith that what the authors wrote are true. No one knows if the saying of Jesus are 100% true. I was not present when Jesus talked so I will never know myself. I however trust that the eye witnesses told the truth. The Story of Jesus was so incredable that the story did not need to be embellished. What Jesus said and did are so different than any other person on earth in histroy, the authors wrote down what they saw and heard. Simple but out of theis world
@MRGV7373 Again, if you have faith that these things are true, more power to you, but if you think faith is knowing, you just haven't thought about it. Analyze your faith and the religion that brings it to you. All they want is your money. the bible was not written by eye witnesses, you are sadly mistaken. the first was 35 years after his death and much more up to 80 yrs. later. back then they spoke by word of mouth and embellished like crazy ...do you work.
@rovingdesertfox If all they want is my money than I don't go. Church need money to run, however, I don't give money to hucksters that are not real. I avoid them. I give to organizations like catholic charities, world hunger. I don't give to our local bishop because he is against gay right. He is also self serving. Look in John 21, I john and see what John says. John says that he saw Jesus face to face. So they are eye witness. Look at what the writers say.
@MRGV7373 Again, I think you should believe what you like. You are aware though, of the literary style of the author putting words into the mouths of his characters? Perhaps you are not skeptical by nature. That's fine, but the opposite of skeptical is gullible. So, the point again is that these things in the bible, while they may give us comfort, are not provable and do not provide any evidence of their authenticity. Because it says so and so in a book, doesn't mean it is factual.
@MRGV7373 Did a guy named Luke witness Jesus' birth? Maybe not, but he claims some shepherds were there, and that they saw angels. Now, tell me, how did a guy writing 90 years after the fact come by that information? Did those shepherds live long enough to be interviewed? Did Luke track them down? And why would you trust that, just because it's in the Bible? That makes no sense. Skepticism is required here.
@purpleminnow Not only Luke, but Matthew also. The Bible says that a "carnal" man (which means somebody who is not "born again" and live a life thru their "senses" touch, see, smell, hear, taste) it is IMPOSSIBLE for that man to understand the "Spiritual man" The Word of God is Spiritual Words written for the children of God and all who seeking HIM.
@purpleminnow It's also funny to point out historical records showing the existence and divinity of jesus christ under 2 years since his death. PCE out pokemon lover
@MRGV7373 I'm not afraid of the truth my friend; I'm searching like any other sincere person. But, I can see that the bible and christianity are not worthy of further study. You see, I was indoctrinated with this stuff since age 3 and I'm now 60. This stuff is no more true than Santa Claus. Problem with the Jesus story is that biased people have given us his story. If you like holy books, what makes you think the bible is the true source? There are many others; which is correct?
@rovingdesertfox There is good historical eveidence that he NT is good valid history. No one other man has made the claims of Jesus and then backed them up like Jesus has. What other man in history predicted his death and 3 days later rose from the dead and visited his followers. 40 days of visits. NO ONE. So that is why If follow the teaching of Jesus. Jesus is the one and only God/man that came to earth. 100's of witness to Jesus life, death and ressurection. No other like Jesus.
@MRGV7373 You do realize in a book this old, that anyone could change things around to make it appear as you think it is. I advise you to watch debates on these subjects to better inform yourself. "No other like Jesus"
@Speedskate2014 what is the premise? if you will ask me about the theory of creationism i will not buy it because it sucks i am a biologist! but in terms of existence of divine providence can do. there is always be and will always be a gray area when it comes to the existence of God. forget the bible, let us talk about philosophy and live experience with God!
I have a faith in GOD but if kirk cameron and ray comfort are too dumb to argue with evolutionist! There is no science when bible was written only philosophy and live experience of people who wrote it! If there is a discipline called science when bible was written I believe that genesis will never be the same way we read it from the bible. On top of that, laws during those time are different and some are obsolete that why we have a different laws that tone down the punishment from the bible
@POPOYBOLROG But if this is suppose to be the word of god, all these excuses for the bible don't make much sense. How can they/you say this is the word of god? How can you possibly know that? If you believe the man has fallen, how is he capable of knowing god's words from man's? The bible has been open to manipulation for centuries by priests and others who have a lot to gain. Hopefully you can see this.
If the real god wrote a book it WOULD be flawless, the bible we have is not.
@rovingdesertfox I did not say world of god. I said it is their live experience during those time. they live and write like that during those time and so be it. and yes all of the scriptures were adulterated since it was used to bend the scriptures for the benefit of those who are in church. but the fact that there is no such thing as science before then how can you explain it philosophically?! how can you explain those phenomenon if you are one of the primordial human being?
@john316v So you want me to do your work for you. Nice.
I guess we need 2 creation stories. I guess god wasn't thinking when he gave us free will and then decided to judge us at the end of our earth life. Who was at the empty tomb? Rabbits do not chew their cuds. Snails do not melt. The shape of the earth. Is God good to all or just a few? The bat is not a bird. Snakes do not eat dirt.
Judas died how exactly? Who prophesized the potter's field? continued.
@rovingdesertfox Leave God's choices to him.We are no one to question it.
1didn't get your question.Angels. 2.God is good to all as he created evry one of them. Bat is not a bird but 4000 years ago, you think saying it is a mammal will be understandable? Modern Science,placed it a mamal now and then it was perfectly true to them that the bat's a bird.a bird may be called a' flyer' in another 800 years, so do we use that word now? no, it would make no sense to us.Same case in Leviticus
@john316v you will always be chained to the bible, like all other christians. Question: how is it that there over 20,000 different variations on interpreting your bible. There's proof that there is no holy spirit helping you to understand anything, otherwise you'd all agree. Answer please.
@rovingdesertfox snakes taste dirt and air to navigate.At first glance, Matthew seems to be in error by attributing this passage to Jeremiah because Matthew 27:9-10 has great parallels to Zechariah 11:12-13. However, a thorough examination reveals that Matthew utilized both Jeremiah and Zechariah, drawing primarily from Jeremiah 19:1-13and adapting the language of Zechariah 11:12-13. This "dual quotation" was a common practice of New Testament authors.
@rovingdesertfox I see you're refering to seemingly contradictory statements.Understand that different writers write from diff.perspectives.Matthew (27:5): Judas "hanged himself.“ Acts (1:18): "... falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out." Resolution: “Sometime after hanging himself, his body was discovered, the rope cut, and the body fell on sharp rocks and burst open.” Dr. Norman Geisler
@john316v Whom did they see at the tomb? How long was Jesus in the tomb? What did they give him to drink? When is the second coming? Does god change or stay the same? (old vs. new testament) Do you answer a fool? Does every man sin? How many times did the cock crow? Can god be seen?
@rovingdesertfox angels was seen at the tomb,u askd tat already,right?clarify,please. Jesus rose from the dead after 3 days.both gall and myrrh must be added to the vinegar.Nevertheless, "The ancients used to infuse myrrh into wine to give it a more agreeable fragrance and flavour."This means that it is quite possible that the vinegar already had myrrh in it, as would be expected among Roman soldiers, and gall was later added. Each writer focused on a different aspect.
@rovingdesertfox no one knows when the 2nd coming is and so we need to keep alert.But it will be when the prophecies are fulfilled and let me say, that most of them have been fulfilled. God is eternal and is the same forever, but now as we have his word with us always,he doesn't do things the way he used to earlier.Do you answer a fool?Explain that. The cock crowed twice.God is invisible,but he revealed himself in the person of jesus. And you know, very well that every single man sins.
@john316v I'd give a D- for your work; too hasty, and not thorough at all. Won't be wasting my time correcting you. All I can say is that if you base your life upon a book that cannot be proven, you deserve the life you live.
You haven't learned to think for yourself and until you do, you will believe anything from religion.
@rovingdesertfox Well.tell me what i need to clarify then. No reason for a D? great. And thank you fr saying that I deserve the life i live,i'm enjoying life.And Bible is God's word. tell me what i need to clarify, nothing?
@rovingdesertfox There are discrepancies that exist in the bible that would not exist if it were the true word of god. Just think for a moment. Can you even imagine a word of god? It would be so over the top amazingly mind-blowingly perfect, there would be no doubt. But the bible we have is a mess. If you live your life according to the bible, you live in fear of a god that doesn't exist. These are ideas of what these desert tribes thought about, that's it.
@rovingdesertfox Well show the flaws.I answered your questions and you don't say anything i need to clarify and its still flaws. I can imagine the word of God very well, and the bible is mind-blowingly perfect, study it. There are sme things bout the bible that can't be explained any other way than it is from God. And you think that these ideas that was made up by some desert tribe and there experiences will have archeological and historical proofs?
@john316v If you think the bible is perfect, you haven't studied very hard. So, you think that if you don't honor the sabbath day, a person should be killed and that if a woman to be married wasn't a virgin she should be killed?
Don't tell me this was relevant to a time, it is in the bible as perfect truth, just like you said. God orders millions to their deaths. That's you god. Perfect bible?
@rovingdesertfox ,there are no contradictions in bible that can't be solved by logic andclose study. how else will you explain the features of the writers?Its not just well-constructed but powerful and true,if you can prove that the bible is not god's word,tell me.the bible is the only book that says its from the lord himself 'thus says the lord'..the bible contains 6408 prophecies & 3269 have come true accurately,the others are comin true now.This isn't equalled by any book in world history
@john316v You say the bible is the word of god because it says "thus says the lord" Please. I can't take any more from you. you are the most naiive person i've talked with.
@rovingdesertfox Is it mere co-incidence that so many came true?do you have another explanation?1conclusion is possible,they are divine .The bible was written over a period of 1600 years with writers from a huge variety of societies from kings to fishermen.And the fact that no one contradicts each other and all have the theme of redemption mostly show that they had something in common.they never wrote together,sharing thoughts,they can't possibly do that as no one lives so long for 1600.
@john316v you need to honestly research other people's view on the bible. you are embarrassing yourself with your lack of knowledge. you have faith alright, but unless it has some relation to reality, you're just a fool.
@rovingdesertfox There are discrepancies that exist in the bible that would not exist if it were the true word of god. Just think for a moment. Can you even imagine a word of god? It would be so over the top amazingly mind-blowingly perfect, there would be no doubt. But the bible we have is a mess. If you live your life according to the bible, you live in fear of a god that doesn't exist. These are ideas of what these desert tribes thought about, that's it.
@john316v they did not call it science during those time! and yes i do not entirely believe on what bible says because the scriptures was adulterated by those people who are in power on early times. they also removed and destroyed most informations which are now being found by archaeologist. I do believe in God and his existence but htere are those people like these two douchebags are so dumb talking about God! they are straying the people.and actually they cannot argue with scientific facts!
There are no credible scientists today in any field of biology who deny evolution. Evolution is Scientific fact
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Definition of Theory: a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts: a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed.
@TheInsanetoker420 yes indeed but we still need more scientific investigations to do. no matter how accurate the scientific method is, there still be a question that will always arise? and there will always be a null and alternative hypotheses in your experiment.
@POPOYBOLROG People will keep on studying evolution to advance our understanding but no more need be done to prove evolution. There are no credible scientific alternative hypotheses to evolution. Its Proven science.
@TheInsanetoker420 philosophically speaking you still have to prove it! like louis pasteur , tyndall and francesco redi disprove spontaneous generation theory! the audience is not yet satisfied! like these two dumb ass banana freak (ray comfort and kirk). in these arena you have to research scientifically and answer philosophically! there is always a room for live experience which is social science like phenomenology remember that! we always forget that science is divided into two discipline
@POPOYBOLROG Im a bit confused on what your saying buddy. I said evolution is PROVEN science and you say "you still have to prove it". It doesnt matter if the audience isnt satisfied that doesnt mean its not proven it just means so many people are ignorant on the subject. Evolution has nothing to do with social sciences. Evolution is proven by biological science. Since it is proven science it is also philosophically answered.
@TheInsanetoker420 then your theory will remain as a theory as well. that's how it works. not every data is a concrete data when it comes to hard science my friend. biosci is just a tip of an iceberg if you know what i mean. when it comes to "being a human" it is still and will be and always be social science. so you have to read more buddy!
@TheInsanetoker420 It is not proven science. All proofs of evolution are usually put away as they're not real and in a foreword of origin of species it is said that: evolution has not been proved and never will be. It's just a method to deny divine creation.
@john316v well ur woefully uninformed buddy as you probably only listen to one side. But thats fine i dont care i wont be the one to inform you. and origin of species was what 150 yrs ago. Try some richard Dawkins
@john316v Wow dude that forward was not written by Darwin (as i pretty much assumed you were full of it) it was written by Ray Comfort. the person in the video. Why is it you choose to believe people with no qualifications. lol.
@TheInsanetoker420 That is not by Darwin or Ray comfort, I'm talking about the foreword for the book 'the origin of species". I'll give you details of who said that soon.
@john316v "On The Origin of species" Was writen by charles Darwin dude. ray comfort wrote a forward in a new version of the book to try to tell people its not true but the fact is all the evidence points to the fact that it is true. You can choose to believe facts or not. Dont matter to me.
@TheInsanetoker420 Darwin wrote; "I am well aware that scarcely a single point is discussed in this volume on which facts cannot be adduced, often leading to conclusions directly opposite to those at which I have arrived. A fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question; and this is here impossible."
Oh please, search for the truth. There are more facts to oppose evolution than to prove it is right. don't blindly believe.
@POPOYBOLROG furthermore why would it need to be philosophically answered when philosophy deals with questions that cannot be answered by observation or experiment. where as science is the systematic method of acquiring knowledge based on observation and experiment. Evolution can be proven through observation and experienment and thats all that matters when proving something that is science.
@TheInsanetoker420 exactly because people doesn't think the way scientist do. that's my point. how can you make them accept the fact? and now the debate go beyond sub atomic particle. beyond nucleic acids of living things!!! they are now studying these so called higgs particle or the God particle? the forces that governs every particle? electromagnetic force, gravitational force, (+) and (-) force? now tell me who governs this law? nothing? if your answer is nothing then God really exist
@POPOYBOLROG It doesnt matter if people accept it dude. that dont mean its not true. Im not gonna debate the existince of god with you as its just a waste of time because we wont change its others minds. im an agnostic atheist so i dont try to say theres no god i just dont believe in a god. Thanks for keeping things civil though I do appriciate that. Lets just agree to disagree.
@TheInsanetoker420 im not going to debate either. it just makes me feel that these two guys (kirk and ray) is stupid because they are very dumb as they can be. they are atackking atheist but it just come to an end that they cannot argue properly. If you don't believe well that's fine to me nobody is stopping you not to believe. atleast you are not questioning it's or his existence whichever you prefer to address god. cheers mate
this guy kirk cameron has no idea of what his talking about. his bad acting has nothing to do with this "scientific proof" he talks about. Using his public image as a mean to carry this "proofs" is just so wrong... he's completely ignorant of the subject... you can tell by his discourse... he just learn a script badly recite it, as usual. this is proof of his lack of acting ability, if anything
Let's face it Christians try to deny evolution because of the mere fact that it would mean God didn't create us in his own image, This catchy propaganda-phrase is one of the fundamental pillars of christianity, not a minor detail like they usually try to dismiss as a 'metaphor' or 'allegory'.
In the next video he talks about a Coca Cola can. Who now REALLY wishes we could find a coca cola can floating around in previously unvisited part of space? :D
exactly. as an author and an actor. not qualified to speak on the subjects you attempt to debunk. although a sane author or actor could easily pick up a book and read and then understand why you are so nuts.
I certainly think atheist evolved, God definately did not create ego ...God is good atheism is not! P.S How may people can really relate to rocket scientists? I can relate to the life of Jesus Christ. I don't want to live in a world where people choose their own moral standard...I am not good without God , I would be a sinner that didnt give a dime that they hurt people because I would still not value all life as sacred, we are all Gods and we all can be saved through the blood of Jesus
@couvetwitt You are good without God, but you have been brainwashed into believing that you can't be good with out him. You don't need a book to tell you don't steal or don't kill do you?
@couvetwitt i am an athiest, and you're right,athiest have evolved..for you to say that you wouldn't be a good person without god,and that you would hurt people,and that life wouldn't be sacred to you without god..(shaking my head sadly)that is honestly the best arguement for religion..i have actually pondered how some sheep would act,without the fear of punishment..that's why man created religion in the first place..shame you haven't evolved enough to just be a good person for yourself and man.
"We come to you not as molecural biologists or as rocket scientists (so you don't have any scientific training or knowledge) but we want to prove to you by 100 per cent how the earth works."
@BarondHolbach anyone w/intelligence can read for themselves what the facts are, whether evolutionist or christians just like any PhD, etc can. It ain't rocket science.
These two (Kirk and Ray) might be excellent people with a genuine message, but they should be nowhere near any debate ever. Leave that to the apologists.
So Kirk Cameron was an "evolutionist", but he comes up with the croco duck... mhm. A bad evolutionist, I guess. He believed the scientists, but didn't know anything about it.
He might've been a strong atheist, and believed scientists on evolution, but obviously he didn't understand it, or know anything about weak atheism, and he doesn't to this day...
I am amazed that Ray and Kirk put this up here. They got seriously owned! It like putting your most humilitating home movie on-line for the whole world to see. I notice that Ray uses objects that we know are designed to "prove" his point. He doesn't use a rock or pine cone and then prove it was made by intelligence.
KIRK CAMERON! You are a washed up, retarded, waste of air! Just because you were in Hollywood does not mean you're as smart as you think you are. Pick up a book for science's sake, you make my ears bleed with your idiocy. You too Bananaman
Hey Kirk, if you're reading this comment section, you already know that Revelations talks about the beginnings of the persecution of the christian towards the end of days. The Romans are rising again and this anti-christian movement will and has proven popular with the demographic that matters most...the young generation. I truly believe that in less than 20 years, christians will be killed for professing their faith on this very same soil we stand on. You keep doing what you do Kirk and Ray.
@Skinhitta You have to be kidding me! Im an atheist (used to be christian) and i know of no atheist who hates Christians. I disagree with your views, but i don't hate you. And i know that if my government were to start killing christians, i would definitely stand up and fight against them and so would the majority of the atheistic population.
Hello Morro. Where in my statement did I say the government will start killing christians? And i didn't imply that Brian Sapien or RRR is an anti-christian group, but his efforts to get atheists to stand out (and i'm not mad at that at all) will get misconstrued by followers who aren't listening to his WHOLE message, but instead, having "selective listening" disorder and start a seperate movement to stomp out christianity imo. I've never believed that atheists hate christians.
@Skinhitta You implied it though. Oh and where did you say the government will start killing chrisitans? "I truly believe that in less than 20 years, christians will be killed for professing their faith on this very same soil we stand on."
Your exact words! I dislike christianity as a religion because most of you WANT to be persecuted. Its like some weird sexual fetish.
Because I said it will happen on our soil means that the gov't will be the executioners??? If that's how you read into that statement, then that's just your misunderstanding...can't help you there.
As far as your statement of christians WANTING to be persecuted, what do you base THAT on??
@Skinhitta You really think the government would stand by and let it happen? And why do i think christians want to be persecuted? Look at the first post you made about the christian population being persecuted in less than 20 years. Thats all i hear from Christians! "The end times are near!" "The apocalypse is coming!" "Judment day is nigh!"
Most Christians are more obsessed with the end times then the rest of the bible!
And you think no other segment of our population has not been persecuted under the government's nose?? All it takes is a popular (and usually misinformed) opinion of the masses on the particular gemographic (e.g. blacks or jews). I didn't say that the persecutor's would get away with it without trial, but that there would be more cases. In the "end times" sceneario, yes there are small signs of Revelations showing and christians are acknowledging it...how does translate into
@Skinhitta Well, considering that the segments of population that have been persecuted were persecuted by CHRISTIANS, find it doubtful that you'll be the ones to be persecuted. Let me ask you this, do you think your being persectued right NOW and why?
@morro190 First of all, i'm not a practicing christian but I respect what REAL christians do. Secondly, you're saying a certain segment of our population is being persecuted by christians...let me tell you something that you probably already know by now but don't want to acknowledge...there are a lot of FAKE christians in this world, like the KKK. Just like their are a lot of fake people representing many other groups that are even feeling the persecution.
This guy is so smart. PRAISE GOD
HailThyFallenKing666 1 month ago 2
"We don't come here as scientists, but as regular guys (actor and author). We want to show you that the existence of God can be proven."
They totally discredited themselves in the opening. Why should I listen to anything they have to say if there's no study, backing, or science behind it?
jonadamich 1 month ago
@jonadamich NO they didnt, God can be proven.
elibeth121 1 week ago
@elibeth121 Um yes they did. They said that literally in their opening line.
jonadamich 6 days ago
@jonadamich Yes that God can be proven without evidence.
elibeth121 6 days ago
The supernatural cannot be PROVEN.
FactualCommentor 1 month ago
"Where come here not as rational people using reason, logic and common sense."
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wendy217056 1 month ago
@wendy217056 Really? Please explain to me how you have come to this conclusion? There are many other theories on the creation of the universe and they are much less flawed than "intelligent design", so please explain your reasoning?
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wendy217056 1 month ago
@wendy217056 There is nothing in the universe so far seen that hints at any type of creation. I've never seen a god or being create a tree or a dog? I doubt any astronomer has seen a star being designed. Your theory also explains nothing about the creation of the universe. Saying any god or gods created the universe solves nothing, all it does is further the dilemna, its like your theory, if everything is created by a creator lie you propose who created the creator and so on?
lololololol47 1 month ago
Such a cute couple.
movalboy 2 months ago
"We come to you tonight not as molecular biologists or scientists but as ignorant religious nutjobs."
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@supbiznatches so then what do you believe in? being judgemental?
dylandecrayk 3 months ago
I'm fine with people having religious beliefs. However I feel inclined to defend science when religion get's in it's way for improvement towards life. It's unfortunate fundamentalists have to force kids to learn about creationism and not evolution because without learning the legitimate topic about evolution, how will our future doctors, researchers figure out how to cure diseases such as malaria or AIDS?
jedidavisWAMPA 3 months ago
is this acted comedy or serious?
qwoiii 3 months ago
@qwoiii I dont know why did you come here
crazyman2994 2 months ago
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Why don't piranhas murder each other or eat each other in a feeding frenzy? Do you think it's because they read the bible and found out god said it was bad, or do you think it's because you don't need a 2000 year old book to realize killing another of your kind is bad? If fish can figure it out, why can't you Kirk?
Stairc 3 months ago
lol @ the comments.. all atheists..
inhalejesus 4 months ago
I'm an atheist because I study physics and have come to terms with the way reality actually SEEMS to be constructed... If the God of the Bible is the same one that wrote the laws of physics, I fear for God's sanity.
atomicwave 4 months ago
the existence of god can be proven??? this reminds me of a passage in the bible.seems there's this man wondering in the desert and a spirit temps him to prove if he is the son of god, the man is tempted 3 times by the spirit and the man never falls into temptation to prove anything-now my question is why do these christians act like the spirit and try and prove the existence of god using temptation?
a1saouse 4 months ago
@a1saouse He wasn't tempted by 'the spirit' He,(being Jesus) was tempted by the devil, and He basically told the devil that he had no power over Him---that doesn't relate at all
dylandecrayk 3 months ago
@dylandecrayk The devil is a spirit. . .because he is not mortal... The bible says you cannot temp god &god cannot temp anyone.... True? so how can Jesus be god if he is tempted three times? True; Jesus refuses temptation though he is tempted.
a1saouse 3 months ago
@a1saouse Jesus was fully God and fully human at the same time. The devil does have the ability to tempt humans.
dylandecrayk 3 months ago
@dylandecrayk Oh. . . you are one of the millions of people that turns Jesus into god... a1 welcomes that! Though its interesting to hear the multitudes make this conversion a1 takes great pleasure in listening to you and fellow believers trying to convince your selfs of this conversion; of man into god.
a1saouse 3 months ago
O that cunning plan of the evil one ! O the vainness and the frailties , and the foolishness of men ! When they are learned they think they are wise , and they hearken not unto the counsel of God , for they set it aside , supposing they know of themselves, wherefore their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not . And they shall perish .
And whoso knocketh ,to him will he open ;and the wise and the learned ,and they that are rich ,who are puffed up because of their learning ,he despiseth
mollymu1 4 months ago
IGNsucks I'm on the same boat I have an easier time believeing in harry potter than god and the bible
MrLovejoy91 5 months ago
Kirk cameron is a gigantic fool
Dubickimus 5 months ago 2
So people think god exists because the bible says so........and my priest called me crazy cause I believed Hogwarts existed because of the harry potter books.......well there only one bible and 7 harry potter books so I have seven times as much prove, so i win hahaha.............EXPECTO PATRONUM!
IGNsucks 5 months ago
We don't come to you as "rocket scientists"? No kidding...
Kirk (and by extension any Creationists watching this video), take it from a "rocket scientist" (I am an Astrophysicist). Actors and laymen can't debate these topics if you are uninformed on the topics. You wouldn't see me trying to argue the pros vs cons of 'method acting' with Kirk, because frankly, I admit I am underinformed on the topic and have no basis for debate.
SciBishop 5 months ago 3
I think we as members of the scientific community can eliminate some of these problems of "transitional forms" by making it clear in our explanation of such creatures that there are classifications for these creatures which may not be clearly one or the other.
For example, those organisms which may be bridging the gap of reptile to avian, fish to amphibian, we have drummed into the publics head these "groups" of creatures and left out the transitional "groups", hence they're dazed.
SciBishop 5 months ago
these guys are so stupid. Didn't god make it so there was no proof of him so people would have to have faith. So trying to find proof would be a sin. Even if some day they found truth then there would be no need for faith which is what it is based on. yeah, these guys are stupid.
SuperMrAtheist 5 months ago
I love watching this debate....I love listening to peoples beliefs it's quite fascinating
690169 6 months ago
i wonder how much they paid him to be an idiot.
malky2583 6 months ago
If you could prove the existence of God, you would get the F-ing Nobel Prize! To bad it's not possible.
KytoNova 6 months ago
@KytoNova The Nobel Prize means nothing to God. HE created the galaxies dude.
brazilian777able 6 months ago
@brazilian777able *headesk*
KytoNova 6 months ago
yes I have seen the sign in London museum abt Darwinism, it is easy to use words 2 turn meaning 2 what u want it 2 b. If u do not know that is what is being done then u r suckered 2 believe what others want u 2 b-lieve. Knowing the sign was wrong, Actually Darwin denied real science, came up w/his own. If true we would b seeing his theories today. Expect increase in information-not happen, decrease in info-true. Darwin failed
hross233 6 months ago
Ray sure do love bananas and empty soda cans, he always have them on him, just in case.
LegionIscariot 6 months ago
If something is to hard to try and understand ... god did it.
Pro837 6 months ago
Are people seriously still debating if evolution is real or not? Ummm I hate to tell you but the verdict is in....read a fucking book. Start with the Blind Watchmaker.
Get out of the 1st century.
Retards.
tubiejonny 6 months ago
@tubiejonny Dawkins,"seen living things..2 probable.beautifully designed 2 have come n 2 existence by chance." U hav 2 b wise r else deceived. teachings in U's today "that animals evolve the only 1's adapted to env. r 1's survived so obviously looked designed so there4 parent design is not a parent design is not evidence of design but is evidence of evolution. Speaks 2 DNA, it has a language of its own, must be in order else not work, dna makes code system, reads dna, makes code system. ORDER
hross233 6 months ago
@hross233 ...I must have read what you wrote 100 times, and I just can't figure out what you are talking about. Do you think you could rewrite it in english?
tubiejonny 5 months ago
evolution cant be proven, funny thing atheist have faith too, it is not logic and reson that they seek but to take God out of the picture, thats all, and they try to calm down and silence their conscience (Holy Spirit), because everyone knows of the coming judgment, guess to proud tu submit to the Lord
MsOtit 6 months ago
@MsOtit Actually evolution is fact, the theory is not fact but a powerful theory backed up by much evidence. So no, we don't have faith in it, cause if there is irrefutable evidence the theory is wrong, we're not desperately trying to clamp onto it, but for the last centuries none is found. Good luck silencing your conscience and with that your brain, because your gaps are shrinking alarmingly fast. You are submitting yourself to a concept that only has the power over you that you are giving it.
avdmeers 6 months ago
@avdmeers Evolution failed but man wanting to force his truth is not. In DNA, genetics it is proven Darwin is wrong. Info. decreases not increases over, over, over-proven. Matter does not produce information-proven. no natural law thru which matter gives rise to info. neither physical process or material phenoenon known-proven. matter can not generate coding systems. mutations come from greater info of intell-proven. no known info can originate of itself from matter=proven
hross233 6 months ago
@hross233 Mutations can add/subtract information to/from the the genome - CB102. Information is matter (e.g. genes -> transcription, translation), and a system arises, basic genetics here. Define information for me? Mutations are not intel-driven, rather beneficial mutation persist due to increased fitness, selection will increase its frequency in a population - CB101.1 Mutations account for new traits or possibly new features - CB101.2. Talkorigins provides documented examples, codes given.
avdmeers 6 months ago
"a theory that many scientists today consider a fairytale for grown-ups" Ya talkin' 'bout creationism, right?
S1rJoso 7 months ago 39
@S1rJoso don't mock God
MrMfloor 4 months ago
@MrMfloor then don't insult reason and logic ;)
S1rJoso 4 months ago
@MrMfloor Holy Flying Spaghetti monster!
SomeAustralian 3 months ago
@S1rJoso No, you keep on believing in pokemon though.
kingseho 2 months ago
@kingseho I believe in facts, in empirical truth. Pokemons exist just as much as Jesus Christ, for the bible gives as much proof as any document on pokemons
S1rJoso 1 month ago
Trying to prove god exists WITH evidence means you dont understand what faith is. I personaly am not religious but understan faith. So basicaly. Those people dont know what they believe in.
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666caimbirdofhell 8 months ago
@666caimbirdofhell "who's really all that interested in heaven? "
Can I ask you 1 thing, how would you be interested in spending all eternity, mind, i mean eternity (it never ends)in hell?
john316v 8 months ago
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666caimbirdofhell 8 months ago
@666caimbirdofhell What's about Mt. Hermon?
john316v 8 months ago
@john316v eternity in hell is always for "the other guy"
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox Satan? if you're not with god, you're with Satan.
john316v 7 months ago
If God made proof of God too strong than God would be twisting your arm. And if God made knowing Him too easy, faith would not be needed. Faith is the belief in things not seen. God is only seen when, you look at nature and see and understand its complexity, meet Jesus face to face or by faith, God comes into your room and you have a face to face conversation. But for most of use it is by faith. Not easy, but so much of life is by faith. Much we trust but never seen. Love, gravity, faith.
MRGV7373 8 months ago
@MRGV7373 If God made proof strong it would be the perfect answer to what is needed. What is wrong with him showing himself fully in whatever way he wants and then having people follow him or not? But trying to rely on a bible written so long ago and based on that, trying to say believe this or rot in hell, c'mon man....Religions twist you arm with no evidence and say believe this or die. God appearing would not be twisting anybody's arm.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox If Jesus is God, and Jesus was the proof that God wanted to give, you would still need faith at Two levels. First, that the authors of the 4 gosples and letters of the NT wrote down what they saw ard heard was correct and accurate. The second part woul be that what Jesus said was done with a sound mind and that Jesus' miracles were valid and that Jesus is what He said he was - the word of God coming down from heaven. The 2 faith are for you to deal with, I know what I trust
MRGV7373 7 months ago
@MRGV7373 Forget all the christian stuff. I wasn't referring at all to that. Personally, I don't believe Jesus is divine and I KNOW that the bible is not the word of god.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox You can not know any more or less that the bible is God word or not God Word. Each person gets to decide that for themselves. To know that Jessu is devine is what faith leads to. The bible is writen by humans and in my opinion is inspired by God. The rest is opinion. I have studied a year at college of acient history, reviewed the bible in great detail over a 40 year persiod of time and have concluded that the history is reliable. no different than the writing of Ceasar.
MRGV7373 7 months ago
@MRGV7373 You can believe anything you want, but wouldn't it be nice if it were true? Faith does not help in ANY way. You would never apply this thinking to anything else. But, it's your life. Think what you like.
Just pointing out to you it's chance of agreeing with reality is little to none.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox Over a billion people on earth agree that Jesus is good history, and maybe more. Anyone with a deep background in ancient history does not dispute that Jesus lived. Many will disupte if Jesus is truily God. Many people believe that Jesus is God that came down to eath. Paul in the new testament said, that if Jesus did not rise from the dead, he has lived his life in vain. I would make the same comment. I know that he rose from the dead since many saw Jesus after death.
MRGV7373 7 months ago
@MRGV7373 People used to say the earth was flat, many millions of them, but they were wrong. Just because a lot of people believe something does not make it true. If you have evidence that your bible is true, I'd like to hear it. You live in a belief system my friend; you just think it is reality. You have no idea that Jesus rose from the dead, you've just heard it from others. You think all this is true, but know nothing. You've never analyzed your faith. Try it
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox Yes, but many people show that it does have an historical basis. The last 100 years of digs in old cities in Israel have dug up most of the ancient cities. Jerusalem and the areas around the temple have found the sites of the temple priest of Jesus day. Capernum, Nazareth, and many of Jesus travel site are well established as valid locations. Hearing from other is very valid approach. How did you learn about the current President, your great grand parents. From others.
MRGV7373 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox I have spent thousands or hours studying my faith. I grew up Catholic, left the church and have spent 40 years, reading over 300 books on the Christian faith, ancient history, theolog... I have over 10,000 hours of reading time on many ideas on why I believe in Jesus the Christ. So don't make such statements. I trust the historicla truth of NT writers. Evidence, geological digs, outside historical documents, church history, visiting Rome, viewing documentaries, Many proofs
MRGV7373 7 months ago
@MRGV7373 Good luck with your faith. some day you will be disappointed......with that much indoctrination, i feel sorry for you.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox I know my faith and I have gone through Hell and High Water and nothing will stop my faith in God. God has become a great friend of mine and has tried me to my life almost ended. I would sooner die than ever depart from my faith.
MRGV7373 7 months ago
@MRGV7373 I would never deny you what you need to live. My only point is the truth and REALITY of such a story and a god that would set up life to watch the majority of humans suffer everlastingly. Can you honestly believe that for the millions of people that have suffered, searched, pleaded for knowledge about why we are here and what to do to be a good servant to this world, that unless they believe as the bible or christian religion outlines, that they will suffer in hell forever?
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox You never did answer my question about George Washington. Real or not real.?? Why are you afraid of the truth. History can only be accepted as truthful or valid if it attested by people who saw the event and wrote about it . So if Washington can be true, so can Jesus. Both have witness that state the truth. History is only validated by eye witness accounts. Now we can use more than eyewitnesses. But before 150 years ago, written eye witness accounts are what we have.
MRGV7373 7 months ago
@MRGV7373 So, if you are saying that Jesus existed, fine. Does it follow that because he existed, all of the claims in the bible are true? How many interested hands has the bible passed through? Back in the first century, stories passed verbally between people, did they not? Were any of these stories embellished? No doubt about it. People were trying to convert people to this new religion, and noses grew as stories were told. How do you prove theological dogma?
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox Now we get down to faith that what the authors wrote are true. No one knows if the saying of Jesus are 100% true. I was not present when Jesus talked so I will never know myself. I however trust that the eye witnesses told the truth. The Story of Jesus was so incredable that the story did not need to be embellished. What Jesus said and did are so different than any other person on earth in histroy, the authors wrote down what they saw and heard. Simple but out of theis world
MRGV7373 7 months ago
@MRGV7373 Again, if you have faith that these things are true, more power to you, but if you think faith is knowing, you just haven't thought about it. Analyze your faith and the religion that brings it to you. All they want is your money. the bible was not written by eye witnesses, you are sadly mistaken. the first was 35 years after his death and much more up to 80 yrs. later. back then they spoke by word of mouth and embellished like crazy ...do you work.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox If all they want is my money than I don't go. Church need money to run, however, I don't give money to hucksters that are not real. I avoid them. I give to organizations like catholic charities, world hunger. I don't give to our local bishop because he is against gay right. He is also self serving. Look in John 21, I john and see what John says. John says that he saw Jesus face to face. So they are eye witness. Look at what the writers say.
MRGV7373 7 months ago
@MRGV7373 Again, I think you should believe what you like. You are aware though, of the literary style of the author putting words into the mouths of his characters? Perhaps you are not skeptical by nature. That's fine, but the opposite of skeptical is gullible. So, the point again is that these things in the bible, while they may give us comfort, are not provable and do not provide any evidence of their authenticity. Because it says so and so in a book, doesn't mean it is factual.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@MRGV7373 Did a guy named Luke witness Jesus' birth? Maybe not, but he claims some shepherds were there, and that they saw angels. Now, tell me, how did a guy writing 90 years after the fact come by that information? Did those shepherds live long enough to be interviewed? Did Luke track them down? And why would you trust that, just because it's in the Bible? That makes no sense. Skepticism is required here.
purpleminnow 7 months ago 21
@purpleminnow Not only Luke, but Matthew also. The Bible says that a "carnal" man (which means somebody who is not "born again" and live a life thru their "senses" touch, see, smell, hear, taste) it is IMPOSSIBLE for that man to understand the "Spiritual man" The Word of God is Spiritual Words written for the children of God and all who seeking HIM.
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elibeth121 2 months ago
@purpleminnow It's also funny to point out historical records showing the existence and divinity of jesus christ under 2 years since his death. PCE out pokemon lover
kingseho 2 months ago
@MRGV7373 I'm not afraid of the truth my friend; I'm searching like any other sincere person. But, I can see that the bible and christianity are not worthy of further study. You see, I was indoctrinated with this stuff since age 3 and I'm now 60. This stuff is no more true than Santa Claus. Problem with the Jesus story is that biased people have given us his story. If you like holy books, what makes you think the bible is the true source? There are many others; which is correct?
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox There is good historical eveidence that he NT is good valid history. No one other man has made the claims of Jesus and then backed them up like Jesus has. What other man in history predicted his death and 3 days later rose from the dead and visited his followers. 40 days of visits. NO ONE. So that is why If follow the teaching of Jesus. Jesus is the one and only God/man that came to earth. 100's of witness to Jesus life, death and ressurection. No other like Jesus.
MRGV7373 7 months ago
@MRGV7373 You do realize in a book this old, that anyone could change things around to make it appear as you think it is. I advise you to watch debates on these subjects to better inform yourself. "No other like Jesus"
in your mind. Not in reality.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
i really hate these two hypocrite! they are using God to make money!
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
kirk and ray's response is very irrational person when it comes to the existence of God!
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
@Speedskate2014 what is the premise? if you will ask me about the theory of creationism i will not buy it because it sucks i am a biologist! but in terms of existence of divine providence can do. there is always be and will always be a gray area when it comes to the existence of God. forget the bible, let us talk about philosophy and live experience with God!
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
@Speedskate2014 philosophically speaking my friend nothing is already an existence. they exist as nothing!
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
I have a faith in GOD but if kirk cameron and ray comfort are too dumb to argue with evolutionist! There is no science when bible was written only philosophy and live experience of people who wrote it! If there is a discipline called science when bible was written I believe that genesis will never be the same way we read it from the bible. On top of that, laws during those time are different and some are obsolete that why we have a different laws that tone down the punishment from the bible
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
@POPOYBOLROG But if this is suppose to be the word of god, all these excuses for the bible don't make much sense. How can they/you say this is the word of god? How can you possibly know that? If you believe the man has fallen, how is he capable of knowing god's words from man's? The bible has been open to manipulation for centuries by priests and others who have a lot to gain. Hopefully you can see this.
If the real god wrote a book it WOULD be flawless, the bible we have is not.
rovingdesertfox 8 months ago
@rovingdesertfox I did not say world of god. I said it is their live experience during those time. they live and write like that during those time and so be it. and yes all of the scriptures were adulterated since it was used to bend the scriptures for the benefit of those who are in church. but the fact that there is no such thing as science before then how can you explain it philosophically?! how can you explain those phenomenon if you are one of the primordial human being?
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
@rovingdesertfox Show the flaws.
john316v 8 months ago
@john316v So you want me to do your work for you. Nice.
I guess we need 2 creation stories. I guess god wasn't thinking when he gave us free will and then decided to judge us at the end of our earth life. Who was at the empty tomb? Rabbits do not chew their cuds. Snails do not melt. The shape of the earth. Is God good to all or just a few? The bat is not a bird. Snakes do not eat dirt.
Judas died how exactly? Who prophesized the potter's field? continued.
rovingdesertfox 8 months ago
@rovingdesertfox Leave God's choices to him.We are no one to question it.
1didn't get your question.Angels. 2.God is good to all as he created evry one of them. Bat is not a bird but 4000 years ago, you think saying it is a mammal will be understandable? Modern Science,placed it a mamal now and then it was perfectly true to them that the bat's a bird.a bird may be called a' flyer' in another 800 years, so do we use that word now? no, it would make no sense to us.Same case in Leviticus
john316v 7 months ago
@john316v you will always be chained to the bible, like all other christians. Question: how is it that there over 20,000 different variations on interpreting your bible. There's proof that there is no holy spirit helping you to understand anything, otherwise you'd all agree. Answer please.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox snakes taste dirt and air to navigate.At first glance, Matthew seems to be in error by attributing this passage to Jeremiah because Matthew 27:9-10 has great parallels to Zechariah 11:12-13. However, a thorough examination reveals that Matthew utilized both Jeremiah and Zechariah, drawing primarily from Jeremiah 19:1-13and adapting the language of Zechariah 11:12-13. This "dual quotation" was a common practice of New Testament authors.
john316v 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox I see you're refering to seemingly contradictory statements.Understand that different writers write from diff.perspectives.Matthew (27:5): Judas "hanged himself.“ Acts (1:18): "... falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out." Resolution: “Sometime after hanging himself, his body was discovered, the rope cut, and the body fell on sharp rocks and burst open.” Dr. Norman Geisler
didn't get the part of chewing and melting.
john316v 7 months ago
@john316v Whom did they see at the tomb? How long was Jesus in the tomb? What did they give him to drink? When is the second coming? Does god change or stay the same? (old vs. new testament) Do you answer a fool? Does every man sin? How many times did the cock crow? Can god be seen?
Get to work.
rovingdesertfox 8 months ago
@rovingdesertfox angels was seen at the tomb,u askd tat already,right?clarify,please. Jesus rose from the dead after 3 days.both gall and myrrh must be added to the vinegar.Nevertheless, "The ancients used to infuse myrrh into wine to give it a more agreeable fragrance and flavour."This means that it is quite possible that the vinegar already had myrrh in it, as would be expected among Roman soldiers, and gall was later added. Each writer focused on a different aspect.
john316v 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox no one knows when the 2nd coming is and so we need to keep alert.But it will be when the prophecies are fulfilled and let me say, that most of them have been fulfilled. God is eternal and is the same forever, but now as we have his word with us always,he doesn't do things the way he used to earlier.Do you answer a fool?Explain that. The cock crowed twice.God is invisible,but he revealed himself in the person of jesus. And you know, very well that every single man sins.
john316v 7 months ago
@john316v I'd give a D- for your work; too hasty, and not thorough at all. Won't be wasting my time correcting you. All I can say is that if you base your life upon a book that cannot be proven, you deserve the life you live.
You haven't learned to think for yourself and until you do, you will believe anything from religion.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox Well.tell me what i need to clarify then. No reason for a D? great. And thank you fr saying that I deserve the life i live,i'm enjoying life.And Bible is God's word. tell me what i need to clarify, nothing?
john316v 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox There are discrepancies that exist in the bible that would not exist if it were the true word of god. Just think for a moment. Can you even imagine a word of god? It would be so over the top amazingly mind-blowingly perfect, there would be no doubt. But the bible we have is a mess. If you live your life according to the bible, you live in fear of a god that doesn't exist. These are ideas of what these desert tribes thought about, that's it.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox Well show the flaws.I answered your questions and you don't say anything i need to clarify and its still flaws. I can imagine the word of God very well, and the bible is mind-blowingly perfect, study it. There are sme things bout the bible that can't be explained any other way than it is from God. And you think that these ideas that was made up by some desert tribe and there experiences will have archeological and historical proofs?
john316v 7 months ago
@john316v If you think the bible is perfect, you haven't studied very hard. So, you think that if you don't honor the sabbath day, a person should be killed and that if a woman to be married wasn't a virgin she should be killed?
Don't tell me this was relevant to a time, it is in the bible as perfect truth, just like you said. God orders millions to their deaths. That's you god. Perfect bible?
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox ,there are no contradictions in bible that can't be solved by logic andclose study. how else will you explain the features of the writers?Its not just well-constructed but powerful and true,if you can prove that the bible is not god's word,tell me.the bible is the only book that says its from the lord himself 'thus says the lord'..the bible contains 6408 prophecies & 3269 have come true accurately,the others are comin true now.This isn't equalled by any book in world history
john316v 7 months ago
@john316v You say the bible is the word of god because it says "thus says the lord" Please. I can't take any more from you. you are the most naiive person i've talked with.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@rovingdesertfox Is it mere co-incidence that so many came true?do you have another explanation?1conclusion is possible,they are divine .The bible was written over a period of 1600 years with writers from a huge variety of societies from kings to fishermen.And the fact that no one contradicts each other and all have the theme of redemption mostly show that they had something in common.they never wrote together,sharing thoughts,they can't possibly do that as no one lives so long for 1600.
john316v 7 months ago
@john316v you need to honestly research other people's view on the bible. you are embarrassing yourself with your lack of knowledge. you have faith alright, but unless it has some relation to reality, you're just a fool.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
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@rovingdesertfox There are discrepancies that exist in the bible that would not exist if it were the true word of god. Just think for a moment. Can you even imagine a word of god? It would be so over the top amazingly mind-blowingly perfect, there would be no doubt. But the bible we have is a mess. If you live your life according to the bible, you live in fear of a god that doesn't exist. These are ideas of what these desert tribes thought about, that's it.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@john316v why did god give us free will and then decide to judge us. Makes absolutely no sense.
rovingdesertfox 7 months ago
@POPOYBOLROG you know that bible has so much science in it even before the science of now started?
I what God do you have faith? I know its not the god in the bible from your comment because you dont believe what's written there.
john316v 8 months ago
@john316v they did not call it science during those time! and yes i do not entirely believe on what bible says because the scriptures was adulterated by those people who are in power on early times. they also removed and destroyed most informations which are now being found by archaeologist. I do believe in God and his existence but htere are those people like these two douchebags are so dumb talking about God! they are straying the people.and actually they cannot argue with scientific facts!
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
Well, Kirk Cameron, ever since he was very young, has been a growing pain...to say the least.
ravi00090 8 months ago
Man that hurt my brain.
annnaly 9 months ago
There are no credible scientists today in any field of biology who deny evolution. Evolution is Scientific fact
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Definition of Theory: a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts: a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed.
from the English oxford dictionary
TheInsanetoker420 9 months ago
@TheInsanetoker420 yes indeed but we still need more scientific investigations to do. no matter how accurate the scientific method is, there still be a question that will always arise? and there will always be a null and alternative hypotheses in your experiment.
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
@POPOYBOLROG People will keep on studying evolution to advance our understanding but no more need be done to prove evolution. There are no credible scientific alternative hypotheses to evolution. Its Proven science.
TheInsanetoker420 8 months ago
@TheInsanetoker420 philosophically speaking you still have to prove it! like louis pasteur , tyndall and francesco redi disprove spontaneous generation theory! the audience is not yet satisfied! like these two dumb ass banana freak (ray comfort and kirk). in these arena you have to research scientifically and answer philosophically! there is always a room for live experience which is social science like phenomenology remember that! we always forget that science is divided into two discipline
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
@POPOYBOLROG Im a bit confused on what your saying buddy. I said evolution is PROVEN science and you say "you still have to prove it". It doesnt matter if the audience isnt satisfied that doesnt mean its not proven it just means so many people are ignorant on the subject. Evolution has nothing to do with social sciences. Evolution is proven by biological science. Since it is proven science it is also philosophically answered.
TheInsanetoker420 8 months ago
@TheInsanetoker420 then your theory will remain as a theory as well. that's how it works. not every data is a concrete data when it comes to hard science my friend. biosci is just a tip of an iceberg if you know what i mean. when it comes to "being a human" it is still and will be and always be social science. so you have to read more buddy!
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
@TheInsanetoker420 It is not proven science. All proofs of evolution are usually put away as they're not real and in a foreword of origin of species it is said that: evolution has not been proved and never will be. It's just a method to deny divine creation.
john316v 8 months ago
@john316v well ur woefully uninformed buddy as you probably only listen to one side. But thats fine i dont care i wont be the one to inform you. and origin of species was what 150 yrs ago. Try some richard Dawkins
TheInsanetoker420 8 months ago
@john316v Wow dude that forward was not written by Darwin (as i pretty much assumed you were full of it) it was written by Ray Comfort. the person in the video. Why is it you choose to believe people with no qualifications. lol.
TheInsanetoker420 8 months ago
@TheInsanetoker420 That is not by Darwin or Ray comfort, I'm talking about the foreword for the book 'the origin of species". I'll give you details of who said that soon.
john316v 8 months ago
@john316v "On The Origin of species" Was writen by charles Darwin dude. ray comfort wrote a forward in a new version of the book to try to tell people its not true but the fact is all the evidence points to the fact that it is true. You can choose to believe facts or not. Dont matter to me.
TheInsanetoker420 8 months ago
@TheInsanetoker420 Darwin wrote; "I am well aware that scarcely a single point is discussed in this volume on which facts cannot be adduced, often leading to conclusions directly opposite to those at which I have arrived. A fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question; and this is here impossible."
Oh please, search for the truth. There are more facts to oppose evolution than to prove it is right. don't blindly believe.
john316v 8 months ago
@POPOYBOLROG furthermore why would it need to be philosophically answered when philosophy deals with questions that cannot be answered by observation or experiment. where as science is the systematic method of acquiring knowledge based on observation and experiment. Evolution can be proven through observation and experienment and thats all that matters when proving something that is science.
TheInsanetoker420 8 months ago
@TheInsanetoker420 exactly because people doesn't think the way scientist do. that's my point. how can you make them accept the fact? and now the debate go beyond sub atomic particle. beyond nucleic acids of living things!!! they are now studying these so called higgs particle or the God particle? the forces that governs every particle? electromagnetic force, gravitational force, (+) and (-) force? now tell me who governs this law? nothing? if your answer is nothing then God really exist
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
@POPOYBOLROG It doesnt matter if people accept it dude. that dont mean its not true. Im not gonna debate the existince of god with you as its just a waste of time because we wont change its others minds. im an agnostic atheist so i dont try to say theres no god i just dont believe in a god. Thanks for keeping things civil though I do appriciate that. Lets just agree to disagree.
TheInsanetoker420 8 months ago
@TheInsanetoker420 im not going to debate either. it just makes me feel that these two guys (kirk and ray) is stupid because they are very dumb as they can be. they are atackking atheist but it just come to an end that they cannot argue properly. If you don't believe well that's fine to me nobody is stopping you not to believe. atleast you are not questioning it's or his existence whichever you prefer to address god. cheers mate
POPOYBOLROG 8 months ago
this guy kirk cameron has no idea of what his talking about. his bad acting has nothing to do with this "scientific proof" he talks about. Using his public image as a mean to carry this "proofs" is just so wrong... he's completely ignorant of the subject... you can tell by his discourse... he just learn a script badly recite it, as usual. this is proof of his lack of acting ability, if anything
JuanAndreful 9 months ago
Let's face it Christians try to deny evolution because of the mere fact that it would mean God didn't create us in his own image, This catchy propaganda-phrase is one of the fundamental pillars of christianity, not a minor detail like they usually try to dismiss as a 'metaphor' or 'allegory'.
JoseWanKenobi 9 months ago
I am 17 and i love this! I always watch them on TV! Learning how to wittness even better is amazing. I am SUBSCRIBING!
MegaLoveRevolution 9 months ago
In the next video he talks about a Coca Cola can. Who now REALLY wishes we could find a coca cola can floating around in previously unvisited part of space? :D
ragerancher 9 months ago
exactly. as an author and an actor. not qualified to speak on the subjects you attempt to debunk. although a sane author or actor could easily pick up a book and read and then understand why you are so nuts.
JBeezie428 9 months ago
I certainly think atheist evolved, God definately did not create ego ...God is good atheism is not! P.S How may people can really relate to rocket scientists? I can relate to the life of Jesus Christ. I don't want to live in a world where people choose their own moral standard...I am not good without God , I would be a sinner that didnt give a dime that they hurt people because I would still not value all life as sacred, we are all Gods and we all can be saved through the blood of Jesus
couvetwitt 9 months ago
@couvetwitt You are good without God, but you have been brainwashed into believing that you can't be good with out him. You don't need a book to tell you don't steal or don't kill do you?
TheGamanic 9 months ago
@couvetwitt i am an athiest, and you're right,athiest have evolved..for you to say that you wouldn't be a good person without god,and that you would hurt people,and that life wouldn't be sacred to you without god..(shaking my head sadly)that is honestly the best arguement for religion..i have actually pondered how some sheep would act,without the fear of punishment..that's why man created religion in the first place..shame you haven't evolved enough to just be a good person for yourself and man.
xfactorb25222 8 months ago
666 people hate truth
mytuber81 9 months ago
"We come to you not as molecural biologists or as rocket scientists (so you don't have any scientific training or knowledge) but we want to prove to you by 100 per cent how the earth works."
Thanks guys, but no thanks.
BarondHolbach 9 months ago 43
@BarondHolbach That's not what they said.
bodom71 7 months ago
@BarondHolbach anyone w/intelligence can read for themselves what the facts are, whether evolutionist or christians just like any PhD, etc can. It ain't rocket science.
hross233 6 months ago
These two (Kirk and Ray) might be excellent people with a genuine message, but they should be nowhere near any debate ever. Leave that to the apologists.
empreme 9 months ago 13
Hey, what I don't understand... the chick is hot. Kirk Cameron is very handsome. Do they really need to debate about religion??
I mean, at some point one should just quit discourse, and enjoy each other's company... isn't that what life is all about? :p
twooffour 9 months ago
So Kirk Cameron was an "evolutionist", but he comes up with the croco duck... mhm. A bad evolutionist, I guess. He believed the scientists, but didn't know anything about it.
twooffour 9 months ago
former atheist ..what a lie...
ab330 10 months ago
@ab330
He might've been a strong atheist, and believed scientists on evolution, but obviously he didn't understand it, or know anything about weak atheism, and he doesn't to this day...
twooffour 9 months ago
they got owned.? you mustve been watching another debate entirely
Coachrob36 10 months ago
I am amazed that Ray and Kirk put this up here. They got seriously owned! It like putting your most humilitating home movie on-line for the whole world to see. I notice that Ray uses objects that we know are designed to "prove" his point. He doesn't use a rock or pine cone and then prove it was made by intelligence.
RadarKat73080 10 months ago
KIRK CAMERON! You are a washed up, retarded, waste of air! Just because you were in Hollywood does not mean you're as smart as you think you are. Pick up a book for science's sake, you make my ears bleed with your idiocy. You too Bananaman
boblajoe1 10 months ago
Cameron and Comfort are two of the biggest Clowns on this planet. How can anyone take them seriously?
A “Brainless” god simply can not exist. They both need to grow up.
BenjaminAble2000 10 months ago
Crocoduck obedience training... results guaranteed...
LaughatNAZIs 10 months ago
"My partner Ray Comfort and I...." Is that allowed in this guy's church?
Jack72824 10 months ago
Hey Kirk, if you're reading this comment section, you already know that Revelations talks about the beginnings of the persecution of the christian towards the end of days. The Romans are rising again and this anti-christian movement will and has proven popular with the demographic that matters most...the young generation. I truly believe that in less than 20 years, christians will be killed for professing their faith on this very same soil we stand on. You keep doing what you do Kirk and Ray.
Skinhitta 10 months ago
@Skinhitta You have to be kidding me! Im an atheist (used to be christian) and i know of no atheist who hates Christians. I disagree with your views, but i don't hate you. And i know that if my government were to start killing christians, i would definitely stand up and fight against them and so would the majority of the atheistic population.
morro190 10 months ago
@morro190
Hello Morro. Where in my statement did I say the government will start killing christians? And i didn't imply that Brian Sapien or RRR is an anti-christian group, but his efforts to get atheists to stand out (and i'm not mad at that at all) will get misconstrued by followers who aren't listening to his WHOLE message, but instead, having "selective listening" disorder and start a seperate movement to stomp out christianity imo. I've never believed that atheists hate christians.
Skinhitta 10 months ago
@Skinhitta You implied it though. Oh and where did you say the government will start killing chrisitans? "I truly believe that in less than 20 years, christians will be killed for professing their faith on this very same soil we stand on."
Your exact words! I dislike christianity as a religion because most of you WANT to be persecuted. Its like some weird sexual fetish.
morro190 10 months ago
@morro190
Because I said it will happen on our soil means that the gov't will be the executioners??? If that's how you read into that statement, then that's just your misunderstanding...can't help you there.
As far as your statement of christians WANTING to be persecuted, what do you base THAT on??
Skinhitta 10 months ago
@Skinhitta You really think the government would stand by and let it happen? And why do i think christians want to be persecuted? Look at the first post you made about the christian population being persecuted in less than 20 years. Thats all i hear from Christians! "The end times are near!" "The apocalypse is coming!" "Judment day is nigh!"
Most Christians are more obsessed with the end times then the rest of the bible!
morro190 10 months ago
@morro190
And you think no other segment of our population has not been persecuted under the government's nose?? All it takes is a popular (and usually misinformed) opinion of the masses on the particular gemographic (e.g. blacks or jews). I didn't say that the persecutor's would get away with it without trial, but that there would be more cases. In the "end times" sceneario, yes there are small signs of Revelations showing and christians are acknowledging it...how does translate into
Skinhitta 10 months ago
@Skinhitta Well, considering that the segments of population that have been persecuted were persecuted by CHRISTIANS, find it doubtful that you'll be the ones to be persecuted. Let me ask you this, do you think your being persectued right NOW and why?
morro190 10 months ago
@morro190 First of all, i'm not a practicing christian but I respect what REAL christians do. Secondly, you're saying a certain segment of our population is being persecuted by christians...let me tell you something that you probably already know by now but don't want to acknowledge...there are a lot of FAKE christians in this world, like the KKK. Just like their are a lot of fake people representing many other groups that are even feeling the persecution.
Skinhitta 10 months ago