HMS Victory was lucky to survive in preservation. In 1922 she was afloat in the middle of portsmouth harbor being towed to the breakers yard when she started to take on water and sink! so they got the tug to quickly pulled her into drydock where she rests today. is today.
Great video, would be great if the HMS Victory had a crew like the Uss Constitution. A Royal Marine in his Blues would be sharp posted at the quarterdeck or at the Gangplank alongside.
Thank You so much for this beautiful video. I'm an American and love the fiction of O'Brian, Pope, Reeman, Forrester, Lambdin, etc. In fact I consider myself an amateur military historian. I sincerely hope to someday make the voyage to the UK. HMS Victory is one of the sites I wish most to see, along with the HMS Trincomalee, the Bovington Tank Museum and everything in London I can devour!! Thank you again for this wonderful look at a truly spectacular warship.
Excellent video of the beautiful and historic HMS Victory and accompanied by lovely music. Well done. It has brought back many happy memories when I lived in Hampshire and visited HMS Victory. Thank you. p.s. What is the first piece of music called - I know it, but can't remember the name (very frustrating)!
all these Americans on here saying Constitution could have beaten the Victory GTFO of here. British naval gunnery was and probably still is the most skillful and accurate in the world. 1 broadside from this thing could have taken down half of the Constitution's crew, let alone the damage it would have caused to the ship. Besides, a frigate would never engage a first rate, especially since first rates always had escorts
"The battle against the HMS Java proved to be a turning point for the ways the British Navy approached battles at sea. From that point on, British ships were no longer authorized to face American Heavy Frigates one on one"
british gunnery? what is that?
3/4 of the naval battles of the war of 1812 were lost by british gunnery. Nearly every captain and his 1st Lt were killed by US Marines
@irishfan263 The Constitution did not sink the HMS Victory. If there was a real battle between the two, Victory would win because it has much more guns.
Nelson was an astonishing man, almost godly. But the sailors were as worthy. They were highly professional, loved their leader, and they were motivated. The worked as an entire subculture, with their own dialect and private codes. Words like "skyscraper" and "square meal" were made by them. They were the embodiment of England, and of decency.
If I ever became Prime Minister I'd direct all the necessary funds to get Victory into a seaworthy state again. Cant let Constitution roam around unchecked!
I do not agree. She has played her part in history. She has done her duty for England. She can now rest in everlasting peace. Constitution played no such role in history, and as such, is doomed to endlessly wander the oceans forever. Like a lost soul, yearning for a meaning to its life. HMS Victory's last ever voyage, was into the pages of history...
@HelmutVillam A nice thought but truthfully it would be cheaper to build a replica - HMS Victory, as she stands, is pretty much a pastiche of the original ship. I was very surprised to learn that the masts etc are all metal replicas and are purely aesthetic. I wonder what is left of the original ship. Same goes for the Mary Rose - the cost so far of preserving a rotting carcass would have been better spent building a sea-going replica. Titanic too! What is the cost of locating her?
@DinoDoesStuff When I visited they said about 40% was original and the masts go through to the bottom of the dock. Having said that there is no "original" ship as they are all refitted throughout their lives. In service or not time and the elements attack the fabric. The have the same problems with the USS Texas and USS Olympia which are about 90 and 120 years old respectively.
@freebeerfordworkers Very true regarding on going refits! She is still a good looking old tub though despite the fakery. I work in Portsmouth dockyard and last week, at night, I had to drop a 135 foot cherry picker next to the Victory - she was illuminated and had a huge christmas tree and lights next to her - I couldn't resist taking the cherry picker up to height to enjoy the view. I had HMS Victory and the heritage area all to myself and felt very lucky indeed!
USS Constitution could have defeated Victory 1 on 1. Doesn't matter how many guns Victory had or how large they were, all Constitution would have had to do is use her superior speed and maneuverability to stay on her stern and rake her at will. She would have fired her first broadsides loaded with bar and chain to destroy Victory's sail and immobilize her; after that it would be nothing but time before Victory had to strike her colors
@buyfarmfresheggs 1st rates weren't usually on their own, these things were extremely expensive to upkeep, and for that reason they would never be put in such danger, that's why she still exists. Not to mention you don't seem to be factoring range into that argument, unless the constitution uses ninja stealth abilities that's not happening. It's more likely the constitution would be facing a 1st, a few frigates and maybe even a 2nd/3rd/4th rate.
@7h3B4ll00n You're right about British naval doctrine.
But in a hypothetical 1 on 1, Constitution doesn't need stealth or ninja abilities: all ships of the line are virtually defenseless from the bow and stern. Constitution has far more sail for her weight than Victory carries, thus making her much faster and more nimble. also, Constitution was only 15 years old in 1812, Victory was 53. that many years at sea would weaken a ship's bottom quite a bit, which would make her more vulnerable
@buyfarmfresheggs But one thing can be said is the Victory survived trafalgar and also was bombed during ww2. Constitution is the oldest sailing ship that still sails were as Victory is still the oldest ship in comission.She is the flagship of the second sea lord.Also had 99 commanding officers in her life.
@zzirSnipzz USS Constitution ('Old Ironsides') lies afloat at the former Charlestown Navy Yard, Boston, Mass. She does not 'sail as such, as this would put the vessel under undue strain.
@buyfarmfresheggs That's what I mean, the match up is non existent, because it would never happen, never as like I stated, you would never find a first rate sailing without a large escort, they are line ships, meant to hold their ground in large battles and provide huge amounts of fire from distance, obviously they are at a disadvantages against more maneuverable vessels, there are many fine specimens of lower class British vessels that could have easily matched the constitution.
@7h3B4ll00n well that last is open for question, but anyway, it really doesn't matter if we did have the 6 best frigates in the world. You guys had the 600 second best ships on the ocean, and like they say in Russia, quantity has a quality all its own. I hold Nelson in high honor for the victory of Trafalgar and saving the free world from a great danger.
@buyfarmfresheggs So we have switched from the use of ships to wars that have been lost? Maybe we should mention that for some strange reason after the war of independence was won, the Spanish decided to sail a rather large fleet in their general direction, which was actually confronted by which nation... such a mistake. (I expected many to say this didn't happen, as most probably don't realise that it did).
ok am not a fan of beckett but his ship is cool :P.....btu still THE DUTCHMAN AND THE PEARL RULES THE SEAS! >.<" \m/ the dutchman is supernatural and the pearl is cursed...the victory is neither its just a normal made ship theres nothing unique TO ME about this ship than its size and looks....otherwise.....beckett....u suck....XP i dont care if ur my 4th fav becket u best nto pass my house in ur car else one of ur windows WILL be gone....
Using my bf's account. I come from Portsmouth and used to work here. I often used to count people onto the Victory as there is a limited number allowed at a time. If memory serves, on free-flow days you can take pictures and film, so long as there's no flash. On guided tour days (most of the time), the tour guides specify you can only take photos on the top deck. But don't quote me; it was a few years ago I worked there & it's safer to assume you can't take pics.
Using my bf's account. I come from Portsmouth and used to work here. I often used to count people onto the Victory as there is a limited number allowed at a time. If memory serves, on free-flow days (bank holidays) you can take pictures and film, so long as there's no flash. On guided tour days (most of the time), the tour guides specify you can only take photos on the top deck. But don't quote me; it was a few years ago I worked there & it's safer to assume you can't take pics.
Using my bf's account. I come from Portsmouth and used to work here. I often used to count people onto the Victory as there is a limited number allowed at a time. If memory serves, on free-flow days (bank holidays) you can take pictures and film, so long as there's no flash. On guided tour days (most of the time), the tour guides specify you can only take photos on the top deck. But don't quote me; it was a few years ago I worked there & it's best to assume you can't take pictures.
Nice video.Most of the cannons on victory at the battle of trafalgar were made here in my home town of rotherham,by the walker ironworks that Im currently researching
French And Spain Fleet not even together they defeat the british but now the bristish navy is so small and the USA fleet thease days could simply run over the british but it wouldnt be that easy
El buque de linea mas grande y poderoso de todos, fue el "Santísima Trinidad". Era el primero de una nueva clase con 4 puentes destinada a asegurar la superioridad naval del Imperio.
Tanto dependía el dominio del mar, de esta nueva clase, que la navy ordeno a Nelson como objetivo prioritario su captura y remolque a Portsmouth por encima de vencer en Trafalgar, objetivo que la navy veía poco probable, Pero Nelson quería algo mas, quería gloria, y la consiguió.
Amazing- I like to read about British naval history, but I'd no idea anything original like this still existed - far less a ship that played such a decisive role in world history. I'd love to travel to England just to see this. We might all be speaking French if it wasn't for ships like these! Although I know it 's the guys that fought in them that deserve the credit- talk about tough.
I've had the privilege to stand on her deck- She's in Portsmouth if you ever make it over, along with HMS Warrior, the worlds first first iron-hulled, armour-plated warship- And what's left of the Mary Rose- Henry VIII's flagship!
@GuybrushThreebwood If you love naval history then the Victory is a must-see but Portsmouth Historic Harbour is worth the trip for a gamut of reasons.
Wouldn't it have been great if the HMS Warspite (03), the famous Queen Elizabeth class battleship, was preserved alongside the HMS Victory, then the Royal Navy could proudly display a historicaly significant ship of the 19th century Royal Navy alongside a historically significant ship of the 20th century Royal Navy.
Wouldn't that have been a better fate than to have had the Warspite scrapped?
@frankydman It would but wasn't the HMS Warspite loaded with so many guns that it didn't float, correct me if im wrong please my British Naval history is a bit hazy.
bazmaximo- I think you're thinking of the Mary Rose, Henry VIII's flagship that capsized and sunk due to being top heavy with guns.
HMS Warspite has one of the most amazing histories of World War II- look here up on Wikipedia. - quite an accurate account of her life- Crying shame she was scapped but she was defiant to the end :)
One reason the French were short of experience was that their officer class was decimated by the executions of the revolution. Most of them were aristocrats. Those who weren't guillotined mostly had gone off to sulk. Can't say I blame them.
it's one of the ships that stopped Napoleon. The battle at Trafalgar involved 20+ British ships of the line against 30+ French and Spanish. One of the Spanish was the biggest ship of the day, a four decker, Victory is only three. Training and experience probably won it that day. It ain't what you got, it's how you use it.
The French and Spanish were terrified of the English fleet--and had no illusions of defeating them after Nelson had spent the better part of decade attacking and hammering the French fleet.
Napoleon, who gave himself up to a British warship commented to the captain of the ship on the differences between a French ship and a British ship. Quiet and discipline was observed by Napoleon. On French ships, there was lack of discipline and everyone squabbled like "geese".
Maybe, in the romantic idea's of sailing vessels in His Majesty's Navy during the late 1700's, early 1800's. But if you read books like Master and Commander or Two Years Before the Mast, amound others, it was a hard brutish life for those who lived between decks, and not a lot easier for the officers.
@Syrinx69 lol theyd be surprised all right - rolling all over the floor laughing as they run circles around you in their Not Particularly Quick whaling ships
it is a nice ship, probably my favorite:). although I dont think she is very suitable for piracy. Sure she can pack a punch with all those cannons but when the royal navy comes after you you want a ship that is fast or else you are done for;)
The HMS Surprise is 5th rate ship. HMS Victory is a 1st rate ship. Surprise was originally built in 1970 as the HMS Rose and was featured in the movie Man Without a Country with Cliff Robertson. The Rose was sold in the 1990's for the movie and is now owned and operated my the San Diego Maritime Museum. My father helped to restore the HMS Rose in 1989-92 and also saild on her.
Thankyou for your video..I enjoyed the way you panned around HMS Victory, I have always loved the ship and always wanted to visit and board her but I am now getting on in years and know that that will never be..so thanks again for the tour...it was slow and even paced and showed some detail that most documentaries rush and miss...thanks again
It was said early than oak was a very commen wood for ships. That is simply not true. For the most part it varied but oak, let alone white oak were very rare. Oh and to answer lukexgamers question no. Not only are BOTH ships still aflot, but are both still in comistion! amasing..
USS Constitution was designed and built from the keel up as a heavy frigate and was not a razee, which was a third rate ship of the line that had its upper deck cut down to inprove speed while keeping the heavy construction of the remaining hull. The British and French experimented with razee's but I do not believe they had much luck with them. Also, the Constitution and her sister frigates were originally constructed with live oak from Georgia, which was more dense than the European white-oak.
People seem to forget the facts here, the navies of Britian and the US used their ships differently the USA defended itself rather than went on long range expeditions in most cases, HMS Victory was built to fight iset piece battles where ships of simila size would spend about 3 or 4 hours blowing chunks out of each other with huge cannon, Constitution is a Razee and a damn fine one of that but it was a frigate its not a fair comparison to compare them or to compare the C to the old Victory.
Pretty much all ships of the time were made of oak. ONE 18lb cannonball bounced off when they fought the Guerriere and that's where it got it's nickname. None of the ships it fought had more than 32 pounders. Victory had a couple of 68 pounders. NO oak would stop that. Victory also had 3 times the guns of any ship the Constitution ever fought. Why are we even comparing these two great ships? One was a 1st rate ship of the line. The other was a frigate.
Why does everything need to turn into a competition? Xbox vs. Playstation, Honda vs. Toyota, Victory vs. Constitution? Can't we just agree that they are both beautiful ships of the line and leave it at that? Enough with the idiotic, blind patriotism. It's all subjective. Who cares which ship MIGHT have won? get a life.
I though a raze was a ship that had one of her gun decks cut down. Like in, " the ship was razed". Anyhow, I was just adding a few facts. The thick live oak and close rib spacing gave her hull protection from anything carried on another frigate, but Im not sure what the Victory's 42lbers would have done.The smaller stuff ,24lbers and less bounced off her sides. Hoplite, you bring up a good point, about the rigging, but I cant remember if the British went for the rigging or the hull?
In addition to having thicker(24in. vs 16in)better (white oak), Constitution had many more ribs spaced alot closer all designed to make her inpenatratable. Given this fact and the speed advantage she had, and the crapy markmanship of the day, I think might have done better than you might think. Also, remember that she was rated at 44 guns,but carried more, 56 at one point. Food for thought.
Live oak, with white oak planking wasnt it,? it wasnt strictly a frigate but a raze, a much stronger vessel. BTW the constitution would have been more manouverable only until the first broadside before probably being dismasted by victorys bigger longer ranged cannon...then what?
Unfortunately, the Constitution would have been completely outclassed by the Victory, with 101 guns and a crew trained to win. The combined fleets of France and Spain were defeated at The Battle of Trafalger with Victory leading the outgunned British fleet. The Constitution is a far smaller ship with fewer guns. It would be like a contest between a flyweight and a heavyweight in a boxing match. The outcome is a forgone conclusion. Your patriotism is commendable but misguided and uninformed.
um the Constitution is made of white oak white oak doesn't float lol. some tough ass wood. all balls bounced off. the ship was known for taking on many ships at once.
it woudl be an intresting battle but I would give it too old Iron sides she has alot of speed an the thickest armour of the day.
whatever phil, the victory kicked everyones arses and still intact! victory would make the constitution a pile of splinters! hahaha bring it! stupid yanks, so full of themselves and think they know everything and best at everything =]
I believe Phil said Old Ironsides CAN take on and beat Victory. 200 years ago a heavy frigate WOULD HAVE be no match for a First rate. However; Constitution is able to sail under her own power, and is floated out into the harbor annually, whereas Victory is essentially sunk, resting on the bottom of dry dock #2. If the battle was TODAY, ship afloat versus ship aground, the ship that can manuever has the advantage.
Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. Constitution fought and defeated ships of the Royal Navy. Victory never faced the US. Plus it would be ungentlemanly for a first rate to fire on a frigate, even in a battle, unless the frigate fired on a ship of the line first.
Wow. First off, there's no quesiton the HMS Victory would best the Constitution... without a doubt. But the design was terrible for sea-faring - so to even it up... I would suggest the Constitution could fare the English Channel in a storm better than the VIctory, considering the original namesake sank like a stone. Furthermore, the comment about Yanks is out of bounds - 'twas our blood that freed Europe of Nazi reign, and had we not done so, there'd be no crown today. So mind your manners ;-)
@flubberfingers ''twas our blood that freed Europe of Nazi reign, and had we not done so, there'd be no crown today. So mind your manners ;-) ' - really? I thought it was the Soviets. I mean they did destroy 90%+ of german soldiers and armour. And the british destroyed the german navy and removed their army from the whole continent of africa. So mind your manners.
Heh yea I dont think constitution would have had a hope really. Though I will admit she was (or is) a fine ship which certainly tested the Royal Navy! However, a 101gun 800+crew vs 44gun 200+crew? Not a chance.
It was 2000. I would have loved to have had a shot of my 78 year old Mum having to duck to negotiate her way through the orlop deck. When you think of what "Iron Men in Wooden Ships" had to go through & live through, it's incredible. Coulda been worse, coulda been a galley(& not the type you cook in)
@abdabs855423575 Using my bf's account. I come from Portsmouth and used to work here. I often used to count people onto the Victory as there is a limited number allowed at a time. If memory serves, on free-flow days (bank holidays) you can take pictures and film, so long as there's no flash. On guided tour days (most of the time), the tour guides specify you can only take photos on the top deck. But don't quote me; it was a few years ago I worked there & it's safer to assume you can't take pics.
oo00SAMB00oo. master and commander with Russel Crowe
6399kid 1 week ago
@6399kid Cheers :)
oo00SAMB00oo 10 hours ago
Can anyone tell me what film is playing on the projector from 0.23?
oo00SAMB00oo 1 week ago
HMS Victory was lucky to survive in preservation. In 1922 she was afloat in the middle of portsmouth harbor being towed to the breakers yard when she started to take on water and sink! so they got the tug to quickly pulled her into drydock where she rests today. is today.
barry8472 2 weeks ago
IMPRESSIONANTE COMO AS OUTRAS NAÇÕES AMAM SUA HISTÓRIA! AMAM SEU PASSADO DE DIFICULDADES, MAIS ACIMA DE TUDO, UM PASSADO GLORIOSO!
MrEMILIO7171 2 weeks ago
I'm impressed that scenes from Master and Commander were considered good enough to be show aboard Victory herself!
aednichols 1 month ago
Great video, would be great if the HMS Victory had a crew like the Uss Constitution. A Royal Marine in his Blues would be sharp posted at the quarterdeck or at the Gangplank alongside.
1kellisman 1 month ago
you've got nothing else better to do but look backwards
scribendi777 1 month ago
I am in the Royal Navy, and i had the privilege of working on the victory when i broke my arm and was downgraded medically or 6 months :)
what a beautiful ship.
wank0r 2 months ago
Thank You so much for this beautiful video. I'm an American and love the fiction of O'Brian, Pope, Reeman, Forrester, Lambdin, etc. In fact I consider myself an amateur military historian. I sincerely hope to someday make the voyage to the UK. HMS Victory is one of the sites I wish most to see, along with the HMS Trincomalee, the Bovington Tank Museum and everything in London I can devour!! Thank you again for this wonderful look at a truly spectacular warship.
dieseldude2047 2 months ago 2
hey that look like the ship they use in the movie Pirates of the Caribbean!
jariguy 3 months ago
Excellent video of the beautiful and historic HMS Victory and accompanied by lovely music. Well done. It has brought back many happy memories when I lived in Hampshire and visited HMS Victory. Thank you. p.s. What is the first piece of music called - I know it, but can't remember the name (very frustrating)!
mrsmozart55 3 months ago
england expects every man to do his duty
chelseayay1 4 months ago
all these Americans on here saying Constitution could have beaten the Victory GTFO of here. British naval gunnery was and probably still is the most skillful and accurate in the world. 1 broadside from this thing could have taken down half of the Constitution's crew, let alone the damage it would have caused to the ship. Besides, a frigate would never engage a first rate, especially since first rates always had escorts
TalonMercenary 4 months ago
@TalonMercenary
ugh
okay, before you start bragging
sure the constitution could beat this if it stayed in it's blindspot
but considering this things MASSIVE SIZE compared to the constitution there's no doubt it'd win.
imicusdown 4 months ago
@imicusdown No it couldn't it would be obliterate by the Victory's escort frigates, which are still double the size of constitution
TalonMercenary 4 months ago 5
@TalonMercenary
you are proving my point
the fact that this would beat the constitution is so obvious that it shouldnt even be argued over
i'm american and i'm saying this.
imicusdown 4 months ago
@TalonMercenary
"The battle against the HMS Java proved to be a turning point for the ways the British Navy approached battles at sea. From that point on, British ships were no longer authorized to face American Heavy Frigates one on one"
british gunnery? what is that?
3/4 of the naval battles of the war of 1812 were lost by british gunnery. Nearly every captain and his 1st Lt were killed by US Marines
USMarineRifleman0311 3 months ago
Didn't Captain Jack Sparrow and Capt Barboros sink this ship?
Mr2wings 5 months ago
@Mr2wings no
mrmemanme 4 months ago
im going there tomoz
rhys8197 5 months ago
This isn't a replica. Although only about 20% or less of the original ship remains which isn't to bad for a ship of its age
WALLEROOTIFUL 5 months ago
Magnificence personified ...
SoulSister0508 5 months ago
QUE MARAVILHA,nunca na minha vida pensei em gostar de veleiros, show, MUITO SHOW!!!
cayoharksen 5 months ago
at 0:22 that's a part of master and commander i' ve been there in portsmouth
i've seen all the museums
ELSKYO 5 months ago
I thought the constitution sank that british floater.
irishfan263 5 months ago
@irishfan263 The Constitution did not sink the HMS Victory. If there was a real battle between the two, Victory would win because it has much more guns.
dustpelt1 5 months ago
@irishfan263 nope, she sank in a storm, this is a replica.
DCLT05 5 months ago
@DCLT05 Nearly sank during storm but made it, this is no replica
InitialAB 5 months ago
@irishfan263 then you are mistaken
mrmemanme 4 months ago
pictures from master and commander XD
TheMrAkkibakki 5 months ago
I'm happy to see this wonderful and very old ship !
remembrance from Germany ;)
ScoxzS 6 months ago
Nelson was an astonishing man, almost godly. But the sailors were as worthy. They were highly professional, loved their leader, and they were motivated. The worked as an entire subculture, with their own dialect and private codes. Words like "skyscraper" and "square meal" were made by them. They were the embodiment of England, and of decency.
transonicbuoy1 6 months ago
Where is this ship? I must report for duty asap!
miscom 6 months ago
To think this actual ship was at the Batlle of Trafalgar.
Men running around firing off guns etc.hundreds of years ago.
Its great that something like this is saved and preserved.
Cool vid thx for uploading.
zenoist2 7 months ago
Its HUGE ship! Interesting to see that draft is bigger than modern cruise liners does have.
urmo345 7 months ago
6 French disliked this.
mwillis1000 8 months ago
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8sacramento8 8 months ago
watch?v=8OQJ4UrAVJw
and prepare for a visit to the The Scottish Fisheries Museum, see the video links and the pull down links and you'll appreciate your visit much more!
keplermission 8 months ago
If I ever became Prime Minister I'd direct all the necessary funds to get Victory into a seaworthy state again. Cant let Constitution roam around unchecked!
HelmutVillam 9 months ago 18
@HelmutVillam
I do not agree. She has played her part in history. She has done her duty for England. She can now rest in everlasting peace. Constitution played no such role in history, and as such, is doomed to endlessly wander the oceans forever. Like a lost soul, yearning for a meaning to its life. HMS Victory's last ever voyage, was into the pages of history...
MrDeano324 5 months ago
@HelmutVillam A nice thought but truthfully it would be cheaper to build a replica - HMS Victory, as she stands, is pretty much a pastiche of the original ship. I was very surprised to learn that the masts etc are all metal replicas and are purely aesthetic. I wonder what is left of the original ship. Same goes for the Mary Rose - the cost so far of preserving a rotting carcass would have been better spent building a sea-going replica. Titanic too! What is the cost of locating her?
DinoDoesStuff 1 month ago
@DinoDoesStuff When I visited they said about 40% was original and the masts go through to the bottom of the dock. Having said that there is no "original" ship as they are all refitted throughout their lives. In service or not time and the elements attack the fabric. The have the same problems with the USS Texas and USS Olympia which are about 90 and 120 years old respectively.
freebeerfordworkers 1 month ago
@freebeerfordworkers Very true regarding on going refits! She is still a good looking old tub though despite the fakery. I work in Portsmouth dockyard and last week, at night, I had to drop a 135 foot cherry picker next to the Victory - she was illuminated and had a huge christmas tree and lights next to her - I couldn't resist taking the cherry picker up to height to enjoy the view. I had HMS Victory and the heritage area all to myself and felt very lucky indeed!
DinoDoesStuff 1 month ago
I would love to see her have one more sail across the seven seas :)
TheSirRoberto 9 months ago
USS Constitution could have defeated Victory 1 on 1. Doesn't matter how many guns Victory had or how large they were, all Constitution would have had to do is use her superior speed and maneuverability to stay on her stern and rake her at will. She would have fired her first broadsides loaded with bar and chain to destroy Victory's sail and immobilize her; after that it would be nothing but time before Victory had to strike her colors
buyfarmfresheggs 10 months ago
@buyfarmfresheggs 1st rates weren't usually on their own, these things were extremely expensive to upkeep, and for that reason they would never be put in such danger, that's why she still exists. Not to mention you don't seem to be factoring range into that argument, unless the constitution uses ninja stealth abilities that's not happening. It's more likely the constitution would be facing a 1st, a few frigates and maybe even a 2nd/3rd/4th rate.
7h3B4ll00n 10 months ago
@7h3B4ll00n You're right about British naval doctrine.
But in a hypothetical 1 on 1, Constitution doesn't need stealth or ninja abilities: all ships of the line are virtually defenseless from the bow and stern. Constitution has far more sail for her weight than Victory carries, thus making her much faster and more nimble. also, Constitution was only 15 years old in 1812, Victory was 53. that many years at sea would weaken a ship's bottom quite a bit, which would make her more vulnerable
buyfarmfresheggs 10 months ago
@buyfarmfresheggs But one thing can be said is the Victory survived trafalgar and also was bombed during ww2. Constitution is the oldest sailing ship that still sails were as Victory is still the oldest ship in comission.She is the flagship of the second sea lord.Also had 99 commanding officers in her life.
zzirSnipzz 9 months ago
@zzirSnipzz USS Constitution ('Old Ironsides') lies afloat at the former Charlestown Navy Yard, Boston, Mass. She does not 'sail as such, as this would put the vessel under undue strain.
Hereman7 7 months ago
@7h3B4ll00n read David Drake's "Safehold" series to see this sort of hypothetical matchup.
buyfarmfresheggs 10 months ago
@buyfarmfresheggs That's what I mean, the match up is non existent, because it would never happen, never as like I stated, you would never find a first rate sailing without a large escort, they are line ships, meant to hold their ground in large battles and provide huge amounts of fire from distance, obviously they are at a disadvantages against more maneuverable vessels, there are many fine specimens of lower class British vessels that could have easily matched the constitution.
7h3B4ll00n 9 months ago
@7h3B4ll00n well that last is open for question, but anyway, it really doesn't matter if we did have the 6 best frigates in the world. You guys had the 600 second best ships on the ocean, and like they say in Russia, quantity has a quality all its own. I hold Nelson in high honor for the victory of Trafalgar and saving the free world from a great danger.
buyfarmfresheggs 9 months ago
@7h3B4ll00n and we got clobbered in the War of 1812, which beating we richly deserved IMHO.
buyfarmfresheggs 9 months ago
@buyfarmfresheggs So we have switched from the use of ships to wars that have been lost? Maybe we should mention that for some strange reason after the war of independence was won, the Spanish decided to sail a rather large fleet in their general direction, which was actually confronted by which nation... such a mistake. (I expected many to say this didn't happen, as most probably don't realise that it did).
7h3B4ll00n 9 months ago
@7h3B4ll00n my comment was supposed to be read as part of a comment I posted above. don't know what happened to it.
what war of independence are you citing? the one I was thinking of began 188 years after you guys sank the Spanish Armada.
Seriously, I want to know more about this.
buyfarmfresheggs 9 months ago
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buyfarmfresheggs 10 months ago
I visited it 2 weeks ago :D
Tunechi241 11 months ago
i wonder if she would still float.
redhotbarrell 11 months ago
Excellent video of a beautiful ship.
Thank you.
George Vreeland Hill
GeorgeVreelandHill 11 months ago
that ship is beautiful........
mason227752 11 months ago
great video, without this ship and all the brave man and woman who died we would be speaking french know.....
toymouse44 11 months ago
@toymouse44 haha, no we wouldn't you numpty !
dannyb1314 10 months ago
Hahaha master and commander is being showed on the screen :)
sparten771 1 year ago
@sparten771 The best example of Napoleonic era sea battles ever filmed.
samdogdamndog2 11 months ago
Lol HMS Victory with a video of the HMS Surprise in the beginning.
LukePiewaker 1 year ago
ok am not a fan of beckett but his ship is cool :P.....btu still THE DUTCHMAN AND THE PEARL RULES THE SEAS! >.<" \m/ the dutchman is supernatural and the pearl is cursed...the victory is neither its just a normal made ship theres nothing unique TO ME about this ship than its size and looks....otherwise.....beckett....u suck....XP i dont care if ur my 4th fav becket u best nto pass my house in ur car else one of ur windows WILL be gone....
sixsixalex1 1 year ago
@sixsixalex1 ditto
ixcreme 1 year ago
@sixsixalex1
What a strange person. Has your brain been removed?
milkminotaur 1 year ago
I wanna take her to sink some Somalian pirates while listening to Pavarotti... LOUD!
freeport5 1 year ago
Yeah now this thing would blow up the black pearl!
Trevizdabomb 1 year ago
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When it would sail, this music would be playing. Little gay English guys with handkerchiefs dancing around on the decks. :p
jbearden 1 year ago
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jbearden 1 year ago
The USS Constitution is awesome. However, the HMS Victory is simply majestic!
draco4506 1 year ago
Using my bf's account. I come from Portsmouth and used to work here. I often used to count people onto the Victory as there is a limited number allowed at a time. If memory serves, on free-flow days you can take pictures and film, so long as there's no flash. On guided tour days (most of the time), the tour guides specify you can only take photos on the top deck. But don't quote me; it was a few years ago I worked there & it's safer to assume you can't take pics.
gr3ghaa5 1 year ago
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Using my bf's account. I come from Portsmouth and used to work here. I often used to count people onto the Victory as there is a limited number allowed at a time. If memory serves, on free-flow days (bank holidays) you can take pictures and film, so long as there's no flash. On guided tour days (most of the time), the tour guides specify you can only take photos on the top deck. But don't quote me; it was a few years ago I worked there & it's safer to assume you can't take pics.
gr3ghaa5 1 year ago
Using my bf's account. I come from Portsmouth and used to work here. I often used to count people onto the Victory as there is a limited number allowed at a time. If memory serves, on free-flow days (bank holidays) you can take pictures and film, so long as there's no flash. On guided tour days (most of the time), the tour guides specify you can only take photos on the top deck. But don't quote me; it was a few years ago I worked there & it's best to assume you can't take pictures.
gr3ghaa5 1 year ago
Looks like the Endeavour from Pirates of the Caribbean.
KingVerdo 1 year ago
the old cannons were known as 'fuckoff' cannons due to the size of shot used.
rightfredsdead 1 year ago
Thanks ...I saw her ca 1979 in Portsmouth , as a 10 year old ...without real masts ..etc...
atombirdy 1 year ago
amazing ship
LeoMessi42 1 year ago
JUST GOT BACK PORTSMOUTH ROCKS
BRITAINSSAVIOR 1 year ago
Nice video.Most of the cannons on victory at the battle of trafalgar were made here in my home town of rotherham,by the walker ironworks that Im currently researching
mangletip 1 year ago
RULE BRITTANIA proud brit
09nilsatis 1 year ago
What's this music? I recognise it from the last scene of the Godfather part 3, when Micheal dies?
Sannyboy45 1 year ago
@Sannyboy45 Godfather 3 you say? Don't even mention it
seppomuppit 1 year ago
@Sannyboy45 "Intermezzo sinfonico" from the opera Cavalleria rusticana" by Pietro Mascagni (1890). It was used in "Godfather 3."
nickditoro 1 year ago
Is this in England?
Titanic19127 1 year ago
Of course :) She in a drydock in Portsmouth, England.
CDStoner 1 year ago
Very beautiful video.
I enjoyed it very much.
Frienldy greetings,
Michael
michaelplaying 1 year ago
i bet 5 years from now we wont even be alowed in 1 mile of this :( fuking terroists
TotalWarLord 1 year ago
@TotalWarLord they blow up this, we blow up 10 mosques, it's simple.
seppomuppit 1 year ago
French And Spain Fleet not even together they defeat the british but now the bristish navy is so small and the USA fleet thease days could simply run over the british but it wouldnt be that easy
jasincl 1 year ago
El buque de linea mas grande y poderoso de todos, fue el "Santísima Trinidad". Era el primero de una nueva clase con 4 puentes destinada a asegurar la superioridad naval del Imperio.
Tanto dependía el dominio del mar, de esta nueva clase, que la navy ordeno a Nelson como objetivo prioritario su captura y remolque a Portsmouth por encima de vencer en Trafalgar, objetivo que la navy veía poco probable, Pero Nelson quería algo mas, quería gloria, y la consiguió.
TakVandom 2 years ago
Master and Commander xD
91ManKo 2 years ago
looks cool
redgaridose 2 years ago
Amazing- I like to read about British naval history, but I'd no idea anything original like this still existed - far less a ship that played such a decisive role in world history. I'd love to travel to England just to see this. We might all be speaking French if it wasn't for ships like these! Although I know it 's the guys that fought in them that deserve the credit- talk about tough.
GuybrushThreebwood 2 years ago 15
i live in portmouth and thats not the only ship there theres about 3 old 1s like the mary rose. + u can see all the new ships being built there
TotalWarLord 1 year ago
I've had the privilege to stand on her deck- She's in Portsmouth if you ever make it over, along with HMS Warrior, the worlds first first iron-hulled, armour-plated warship- And what's left of the Mary Rose- Henry VIII's flagship!
CDStoner 1 year ago
@GuybrushThreebwood If you love naval history then the Victory is a must-see but Portsmouth Historic Harbour is worth the trip for a gamut of reasons.
redharrison7777 8 months ago
wow!
Runescape1351 2 years ago
Wouldn't it have been great if the HMS Warspite (03), the famous Queen Elizabeth class battleship, was preserved alongside the HMS Victory, then the Royal Navy could proudly display a historicaly significant ship of the 19th century Royal Navy alongside a historically significant ship of the 20th century Royal Navy.
Wouldn't that have been a better fate than to have had the Warspite scrapped?
frankydman 2 years ago
@frankydman It would but wasn't the HMS Warspite loaded with so many guns that it didn't float, correct me if im wrong please my British Naval history is a bit hazy.
bazmaximo 2 years ago
I'm not sure myself. Maybe an expert on WWII Naval history will come across this little chat and answer this question for us.
But what are the odds of that?
(Seriously, is it possible that someone can answer this question for us?)
frankydman 2 years ago
bazmaximo- I think you're thinking of the Mary Rose, Henry VIII's flagship that capsized and sunk due to being top heavy with guns.
HMS Warspite has one of the most amazing histories of World War II- look here up on Wikipedia. - quite an accurate account of her life- Crying shame she was scapped but she was defiant to the end :)
CDStoner 1 year ago
One reason the French were short of experience was that their officer class was decimated by the executions of the revolution. Most of them were aristocrats. Those who weren't guillotined mostly had gone off to sulk. Can't say I blame them.
OccupyingSpirit 2 years ago
nognilk
it's one of the ships that stopped Napoleon. The battle at Trafalgar involved 20+ British ships of the line against 30+ French and Spanish. One of the Spanish was the biggest ship of the day, a four decker, Victory is only three. Training and experience probably won it that day. It ain't what you got, it's how you use it.
Such a beautiful ship though...
OccupyingSpirit 2 years ago
A four decker?
Never sawd such a big ship..
Is HMS Victory not one of the biggest ships still alive?
Maarteuh96 2 years ago
The French and Spanish were terrified of the English fleet--and had no illusions of defeating them after Nelson had spent the better part of decade attacking and hammering the French fleet.
Napoleon, who gave himself up to a British warship commented to the captain of the ship on the differences between a French ship and a British ship. Quiet and discipline was observed by Napoleon. On French ships, there was lack of discipline and everyone squabbled like "geese".
gondolacrescent5 2 years ago
so this is the ship that stopped Napoleon.
nognilk 2 years ago
The movie that's projected is master and commander.
anpe1001 2 years ago
It must have been wonderfull to sail that ship!
Maarteuh96 2 years ago
Maybe, in the romantic idea's of sailing vessels in His Majesty's Navy during the late 1700's, early 1800's. But if you read books like Master and Commander or Two Years Before the Mast, amound others, it was a hard brutish life for those who lived between decks, and not a lot easier for the officers.
IC2720 2 years ago
Would love to take her to the south seas and give the Japanese whaling fleet a little surprise.. lol
Syrinx69 2 years ago 44
lol I'd join you!
anpe1001 2 years ago 2
@Syrinx69 Idiot!!
3shacks1house 1 year ago
@3shacks1house
Ahh yes, it is idiotic to wish to protect whales from barbaric whalers.
Let me guess - you're a conservative Fox Snooze drone who has an arsenal in your basement and dozens of mounted animal heads on your walls?
Syrinx69 1 year ago
@Syrinx69 Better make this with old Essex-Carriers from WWII ,but very good Idea!!!
TheMe110 1 year ago
@Syrinx69 lol
sparten771 1 year ago
@Syrinx69 lol theyd be surprised all right - rolling all over the floor laughing as they run circles around you in their Not Particularly Quick whaling ships
irR4tiOn4L 7 months ago
@irR4tiOn4L
LOL. You're a fool. Victory would destroy those whaling bastards.
Syrinx69 7 months ago
@Syrinx69 With all of its 8kn top speed, I fail to see how
irR4tiOn4L 7 months ago
@Syrinx69 the japs would be surprised when a huge broadside obliterates one of there boats
TheHorn123456 6 months ago
If I could id steal that ship paint it black and and put my Jolly Roger on it, put real cannons and the Golden Age of Piracy would return XD
yutaja 2 years ago
it is a nice ship, probably my favorite:). although I dont think she is very suitable for piracy. Sure she can pack a punch with all those cannons but when the royal navy comes after you you want a ship that is fast or else you are done for;)
falloutshit 2 years ago
im gonna have a school trip there in summer 2010
scorchdestroya 2 years ago
Amazing. One of the most marvellous and majestic ships ever launched.
Romanvs 2 years ago 2
Ha harrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! Sorry, I'm overloaded with Janacan rum!!
zucoy21z89 2 years ago
a man-of war or man-o-war samting like that
ysergiu 2 years ago
i have a model of this ship in my room and i remember seeing it when the ferry from france docked at portsmouth harbour :)
Paterson212 2 years ago
what is the name of the movie playin on the tv in the video?
halffliffe 2 years ago
Master And Commander. A very very good movie u must watch it!
scratchyrice 2 years ago
its not master and commander the hms surprise is the one in master and commander
scorchdestroya 2 years ago
? Someone asked what the film was being projected.
scratchyrice 2 years ago
The HMS Surprise is 5th rate ship. HMS Victory is a 1st rate ship. Surprise was originally built in 1970 as the HMS Rose and was featured in the movie Man Without a Country with Cliff Robertson. The Rose was sold in the 1990's for the movie and is now owned and operated my the San Diego Maritime Museum. My father helped to restore the HMS Rose in 1989-92 and also saild on her.
113dsc 2 years ago
master and command : far side of the world (something like that)
Buzza18 2 years ago
Wow!
Miika153 2 years ago
Thankyou for your video..I enjoyed the way you panned around HMS Victory, I have always loved the ship and always wanted to visit and board her but I am now getting on in years and know that that will never be..so thanks again for the tour...it was slow and even paced and showed some detail that most documentaries rush and miss...thanks again
jonny7england 2 years ago
Empire total war has everything
lxgiwylgta 2 years ago 2
yipp, ETW rulez!!!
But darthmod strongly recommended, or the seabattles will be too arcade style
And yes, it is Master and Commander ^^
Feuersfotze 2 years ago
Are those scenes of "Master and Commander" playing on the video? Looks familiar.
loufalce 2 years ago
It was said early than oak was a very commen wood for ships. That is simply not true. For the most part it varied but oak, let alone white oak were very rare. Oh and to answer lukexgamers question no. Not only are BOTH ships still aflot, but are both still in comistion! amasing..
grant4455 2 years ago
Godfather music... lol
HMS Victory would win no problem!
ADMERALSMITH 2 years ago
USS Constitution was designed and built from the keel up as a heavy frigate and was not a razee, which was a third rate ship of the line that had its upper deck cut down to inprove speed while keeping the heavy construction of the remaining hull. The British and French experimented with razee's but I do not believe they had much luck with them. Also, the Constitution and her sister frigates were originally constructed with live oak from Georgia, which was more dense than the European white-oak.
odinn50 2 years ago
People seem to forget the facts here, the navies of Britian and the US used their ships differently the USA defended itself rather than went on long range expeditions in most cases, HMS Victory was built to fight iset piece battles where ships of simila size would spend about 3 or 4 hours blowing chunks out of each other with huge cannon, Constitution is a Razee and a damn fine one of that but it was a frigate its not a fair comparison to compare them or to compare the C to the old Victory.
MrTom07 2 years ago
Pretty much all ships of the time were made of oak. ONE 18lb cannonball bounced off when they fought the Guerriere and that's where it got it's nickname. None of the ships it fought had more than 32 pounders. Victory had a couple of 68 pounders. NO oak would stop that. Victory also had 3 times the guns of any ship the Constitution ever fought. Why are we even comparing these two great ships? One was a 1st rate ship of the line. The other was a frigate.
00Mandingo00 2 years ago 17
@00Mandingo00 Well we can always replace the Constitution with one of the greatest battleships ever built the Iowa Class
jers59 1 year ago
@jers59
totally! Either way. These old ships are awesome. Glad they're still around for us to enjoy.
00Mandingo00 1 year ago
@00Mandingo00 It sunk.
jbearden 1 year ago
Why does everything need to turn into a competition? Xbox vs. Playstation, Honda vs. Toyota, Victory vs. Constitution? Can't we just agree that they are both beautiful ships of the line and leave it at that? Enough with the idiotic, blind patriotism. It's all subjective. Who cares which ship MIGHT have won? get a life.
00Mandingo00 2 years ago
And where is the Constitution today? @ the bottom of the sea?
LukeXgamer 2 years ago
I though a raze was a ship that had one of her gun decks cut down. Like in, " the ship was razed". Anyhow, I was just adding a few facts. The thick live oak and close rib spacing gave her hull protection from anything carried on another frigate, but Im not sure what the Victory's 42lbers would have done.The smaller stuff ,24lbers and less bounced off her sides. Hoplite, you bring up a good point, about the rigging, but I cant remember if the British went for the rigging or the hull?
timbonjovi 3 years ago
In addition to having thicker(24in. vs 16in)better (white oak), Constitution had many more ribs spaced alot closer all designed to make her inpenatratable. Given this fact and the speed advantage she had, and the crapy markmanship of the day, I think might have done better than you might think. Also, remember that she was rated at 44 guns,but carried more, 56 at one point. Food for thought.
timbonjovi 3 years ago
Live oak, with white oak planking wasnt it,? it wasnt strictly a frigate but a raze, a much stronger vessel. BTW the constitution would have been more manouverable only until the first broadside before probably being dismasted by victorys bigger longer ranged cannon...then what?
hoplite1766 3 years ago
Unfortunately, the Constitution would have been completely outclassed by the Victory, with 101 guns and a crew trained to win. The combined fleets of France and Spain were defeated at The Battle of Trafalger with Victory leading the outgunned British fleet. The Constitution is a far smaller ship with fewer guns. It would be like a contest between a flyweight and a heavyweight in a boxing match. The outcome is a forgone conclusion. Your patriotism is commendable but misguided and uninformed.
Brace67 3 years ago 4
are you serious phill. The Victory is a ship of the line. It would of blown the Constitution out of the water with 2 full brodsides!
pete1munchen 3 years ago 3
um the Constitution is made of white oak white oak doesn't float lol. some tough ass wood. all balls bounced off. the ship was known for taking on many ships at once.
it woudl be an intresting battle but I would give it too old Iron sides she has alot of speed an the thickest armour of the day.
Dogmeat1950 3 years ago
whatever phil, the victory kicked everyones arses and still intact! victory would make the constitution a pile of splinters! hahaha bring it! stupid yanks, so full of themselves and think they know everything and best at everything =]
SirDavidov87 3 years ago
I believe Phil said Old Ironsides CAN take on and beat Victory. 200 years ago a heavy frigate WOULD HAVE be no match for a First rate. However; Constitution is able to sail under her own power, and is floated out into the harbor annually, whereas Victory is essentially sunk, resting on the bottom of dry dock #2. If the battle was TODAY, ship afloat versus ship aground, the ship that can manuever has the advantage.
scopedoc 3 years ago
Oh yeah. I forgot to mention. Constitution fought and defeated ships of the Royal Navy. Victory never faced the US. Plus it would be ungentlemanly for a first rate to fire on a frigate, even in a battle, unless the frigate fired on a ship of the line first.
scopedoc 3 years ago
so do you mean soldiers have to behave as gentlemen when fighting?
serious22222 2 years ago 2
Wow. First off, there's no quesiton the HMS Victory would best the Constitution... without a doubt. But the design was terrible for sea-faring - so to even it up... I would suggest the Constitution could fare the English Channel in a storm better than the VIctory, considering the original namesake sank like a stone. Furthermore, the comment about Yanks is out of bounds - 'twas our blood that freed Europe of Nazi reign, and had we not done so, there'd be no crown today. So mind your manners ;-)
flubberfingers 3 years ago
@flubberfingers ''twas our blood that freed Europe of Nazi reign, and had we not done so, there'd be no crown today. So mind your manners ;-) ' - really? I thought it was the Soviets. I mean they did destroy 90%+ of german soldiers and armour. And the british destroyed the german navy and removed their army from the whole continent of africa. So mind your manners.
maureenOWW 1 year ago
uss is a 44 gun frigate hms victory is a ship of the line or manOwar i think the victory would win
blackout1148 3 years ago 3
Heh yea I dont think constitution would have had a hope really. Though I will admit she was (or is) a fine ship which certainly tested the Royal Navy! However, a 101gun 800+crew vs 44gun 200+crew? Not a chance.
BNMMVII 3 years ago 2
very true mate:)
blackout1148 3 years ago
what would have been the bit at the back for? with all the windows
billboi92 3 years ago
...if my memory serves me well its the officers dining room and nelsons quarters etc...very grand indeed.
abdabs855423575 3 years ago 2
@abdabs855423575 motivates the Captain to face the enemy rather then have his quarters destroyed by running away lol
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
cabin
blackout1148 3 years ago
It was 2000. I would have loved to have had a shot of my 78 year old Mum having to duck to negotiate her way through the orlop deck. When you think of what "Iron Men in Wooden Ships" had to go through & live through, it's incredible. Coulda been worse, coulda been a galley(& not the type you cook in)
teenonator 3 years ago
Ticked me off they don't allow photography aboard. Kind of takes away from a great tour
teenonator 3 years ago
..thats a great shame..i thought you cud as long as it wasnt flash photography...you must have gone on a day when the jobsworths were on duty lol
abdabs855423575 3 years ago
@abdabs855423575 Using my bf's account. I come from Portsmouth and used to work here. I often used to count people onto the Victory as there is a limited number allowed at a time. If memory serves, on free-flow days (bank holidays) you can take pictures and film, so long as there's no flash. On guided tour days (most of the time), the tour guides specify you can only take photos on the top deck. But don't quote me; it was a few years ago I worked there & it's safer to assume you can't take pics.
gr3ghaa5 1 year ago
great video , well done . thanks for posting.
djc40 3 years ago