I see so many correlations between the universe and cytology/biology, I look at the universe as one big "Cosmic-Cell" and everything within this Cosmic-Cell(stars, black holes, matter, dark matter) are just "Cosmic-Organelles" responsible for the cosmic-cell's functions.When I look at the baby picture of the universe I see cell division(Anaphase). We are the stuff of stars, the stars are the stuff of the universe; maybe the universe's nature/anatomy is not so different from our own? :]
Through relativity theory of Einstein of over one century, it hold with strength - as a conspiracy a general activity of intellectual stultify of the planetary population. From relativity theory proceed the notion of: singularity, big bang, black holes and holes of worm. From 1905 and till now 2011, disciples of to Einstein, preach with contumely, as scientific elements of high class these theoretical confusions, these absurdities from which they had made a business.
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"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality."
@dougmoerhoffman, again, do some research into quantum mechanics, and more specifically quantum flux. Watch the video on Youtube - A Universe From Nothing, by Lawrence Krauss. Pay attention.
@Stringprodigy I actually have seen that, but it fails to answer a number of questions.
1. What makes this stuff pop in and out of existence in the first place?
2. Why is all the rest of the matter in the universe sustained in its existence? What's keeping it from disappearing?
3. If the mechanism that caused the Big Bang is happening right now, everywhere, what's stopping other Big Bangs from happening in our universe right now?
Pay attention yourself. I'm quite intelligent, thanks. Answer me
@dougmoerhoffman, it doesn't answer those questions, because the questions are total non sequiturs. In other words, they are the intellectual equivalent of asking "If evolution is true, then why are there still monkeys?". I'm not going to supply you answers to stupid questions if you are too lazy to expend any effort at least doing some basic research into quantum mechanics. Watch the video again, but this time, watch the whole thing and remember to PAY ATTENTION.
@prophetofpeace2010, yeah, mind boggling. You have the video you need to watch in your favourites. I love it when theists think they have us beat by asking "Well, how do you get something from nothing", but they never get the irony....I could ask "Where did God come from?" They'll reply with "He was always there", as if that makes a lot more sense...Fuckheads! LOL
@Stringprodigy Whoa! No need to hate! Yeah. I just found that vid just after I replied here and I commented on it. I saw many people who also had questions about that video.
@prophetofpeace2010 No, scientist don't say the universe came from nothing. But there is no sense in duscussing what it came from cause we don't know. The most popular hypothesis is that it sprung from another universe. There may be many universes out there. Like soap bubble in an ocean of quantum foam.
@Stringprodigy Hey cumdroplet of idiocy...you do you're FN HW, instead of being an ass pirate here. Familiar with Max Planck?
“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force..We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.”
@Stringmoron “All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.”
And; “Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.” Max Planck
@marz80801980 wow, you're really angry! Trying to win the internet? LMAO. Good luck with that, kid. Is what Planck said supposed to prove God? All he did was inject unsubstantiated religious assertions into quantum theory, without actually attempting to back up any of these ridiculous supernatural claims. See the sentence that starts with "We must ASSUME...."? If you knew anything about science, you would know that you cannot ASSUME anything. Quantum theory has come a long ways since Planck
How ironic that you're questioning MY intelligence level when you are posting such childish, non-sensical drivel. Time to move out of your parent's basement and get your GED. ;)
ok.. you are right.. and like i cant proove physically god's existende i want physics explain me and everyone how thing appear from nothing with their theories... but you are right
Religion is something that keeps people's "Minds" safe. If you have heard of any religion and what they think is true and you think it is complete bullshit, what makes one religion above all others? If one religion is bullshit, then all other religion is bullshit. Scientific facts makes the most sense and has more proof than any other religion. and it is sad that people make money in church's for feeding people bullshit that's not even true. They're destroying other people's faith.
Quantum theory is a fickle mistress in that I don't think that anyone truly understands it. In fact there is a saying among quantum physicists that if you think you understand quantum theory, you don't.
Your thinking on this is flawed. The concept of time does not apply to "before" the start of our current universe, as before the start of our universe time did not exist. Time didn't "begin" until the exact moment of the birth of our universe.
I want to point out that just because someone doesent buy the "big bang" theory dosent automaticly mean they are religious. I believe in creation/intellignt design.....yet i am no follower of any "faith". No disrespect meant towards the faithfull mind you. Just wanted to remind others that there are those with opinions that come from a perspective that does not reflect mainstream viewpoints of one extreme or another.
I see what you are saying and am pleased to see that someone like yourself chose to make that point. Similarly, you find scientists that look into biology or any science in detail actually starting to believe in a creator when they see such organisation in the natural world. Many people confuse religion with primitive knowledge and thats very sad.
Though I think the idea of "creation/intellignt design" is silly & has no evidence to back it up, I dont believe in the BB either for the same reason, both are creation myths. I am an Agnostic Atheist & think real science has & will eventually have most of the answers.
It's good to see others question that which is deemed by many unquestionable. After much trial science will discover their reasoning error. Scientific thought on gravity is askew, they need to blink, rub their eyes & look at reality anew. From the understanding of this one thing will come understanding of all. The universal over-riding intelligence oozes evidence. Yet so far such is in the eye of the beholder. One day such a gleam science will see & then must rewrite their textbooks on reality.
I find it odd that to believe in the big bang theory you must take a "leap of faith" to do so. because you are being asked to believe in "something" infintesimily small becoming infinitely hot, mmm pardon me to point out the obvious, but you are asked to believe in something impossible to concieve. I think you see where i am going with this. Whatever you believe, big bang or not, requires a leap of faith from strictly logical thought. Accident or design ?? i see design as the logical choice
here here, causality etc etc. Really, when you think about it how would you achieve infinate density? If the universe was infinate it wouldnt fit in a finite space, and if its not infinate then the singularity wouldnt have infinate density. I saw a documentary with stephen hawkins in it on this subject and he theorised that the universe was always here. Yet people dont believe god was always here, where is the logic?
the one that allows atoms to combine without having a universe made of protons alone, the nuclear forces, and gravity which allow stars to burn with stability and longivity so that life can flourish. Black holes may actually be vital to our existance for all we know recycling matter or something, this has been theorised. Our solar system has jupiter to help mop up comets and our atmosphere to take care of the rest. since we been around we had no probs.
In many cases humans will refuse to help another, its not an instinct for us its a mental decision. Survival of the fittest would likely have lead to a bunch of rapist men running around kicking the crap out of those unfortunate enough to be weak.
Now you're moving the goalposts. You claimed that there could be no selfless behavior without god. I showed there is. You have not refuted it.
Now you are changing the subject to violent behavior. This is a much bigger problem for believers because why would god allow his creation to rape and murder? What kind of god of "perfect creation" is this?
And if you bring up free will, what about the free will of the victim to not be raped or murdered?
because god doesnt rule the earth currently. The bible says the devil does and therefore thats why we have all the trouble. But we didnt come to discuss this as you believe in blind random occurance, and i doubt i can change that. Also, i didnt move the goalposts i simply said some humans will save life of another, or will love another. Ultimately we do have free will to choose. Evolution would surely have bred us all to do either one or the other.
I really could care less if you want to believe in 2000 year old fairy tales, but don't speak about science until you learn something about it and how it works.
Believe what you like but science provides you with plentiful clean food and water, cars, airplanes, space shuttles, superconductors, medicine and even the computer you are using.
LOL BAHAHA, People produce those items, and many of the people designing them are christian. Man your so bitter and twisted. You would say we fell out of a giant dogs ass if it denied a creator. The genesis account is 3600yrs old and im a qualified scientist. I see you couldnt care less and thats fine, its the general direction of humanity these days. Trash the earth its a random occurance anyway and we arent accountable to the god of random chance so screw it.
i agree with you 2000 year old fairy tales religion has shown us many things destruction pain suffering death division. Religion is idiotic and foolish it is the root of most of the evil in this world, We are all one (The world is my country and my religion is to do good) Thomas Paine
Your right that religion is a big problem, but its caused by misinterpretation of the bible for example. If people actually did exactly as the new testament says we would have no trouble. Unfortunately its mans greed that is the worlds biggest problem, we have enough food to go around yet we all sit debating on here while african kids starve. WW1 was all over land in africa and WW2 was hitler trying to make a master race via selective breeding.
This cosmological constant is a mathematical figure that arose from the failure to explain how this initial explosion could be shut off. It predicts an expansion of the Universe that is many billions of times too high.
But we dont even understand the mechanism of gravitation, its a theory that is likely incorrect as other theories like string theory etc are becoming more feasable. This to me seems like another attempt at making it look like the answer is known when infact its based on theoretical principles. GPE is almost as lame an excuse as a multiverse to explain the perfect properties of this universe, i.e there were so many one was just right. Not provable im afraid
The Theory of Gravity is incorrect?!?! BAHAHAHA Simply because we have not yet oberserved gravitons, we know they exist since every other fundamental force in the universe has its respective gauge boson. Are you saying Local Gauge Symmetry is wrong too?????
The perfect properties of this universe? The properties which have comets smashing into planets? Stars exploding? Black holes consuming entire solar systems? Galaxies colliding?
Now that we know that the Universe is expanding at an ever-increasing rate, this constant is exceptionally large and cosmologists have all but chosen to ignore it. They have also ignored evidence that some stars seem to be older than the age of the Universe itself. The Big Bang has been estimated to be around 12 Billion years old and some stars seem to be much older. Something is clearly not quite right. Im dying to read your reply to that.
well acording to the theory im talking about all energy in the universe would be kenetic (electric)so plasma cosmology would not contradict what im saying
sorry to double post guys. I know that wereallanimals will now say im stupid too but i am a scientist and i work with many physicists and other phd, mSc, and BSc level scientists. Its about 50/50 who is atheist/theist among us. In the end strictly speaking there is no rational explanation. Atheists think that complex order came from nothing, and theist think a unverifiable individual created everything. Causality states the latter to be more rational though.
"Atheists think that complex order came from nothing"
I don't know of any atheist who thinks complex order came from nothing.
The Big Bang originated from the vacuum of totality which is the irreducible primary of existence. The vacuum, which has always existed contains graviational potential energy. GPE is negative energy.
All the matter and energy in the universe came from this GPE. There is no violation of conservation of energy because again GPE is negative energy.
weareallanimals78; Your chemical theory does not explain why sometimes a human will risk their own life to save another. Why one group of chemicals even cares what happens to the chemicals in the other person. To be honest, your statement shows that your a cold person. Also the bible is more like3600 yrs old and they even knew the earth was round which is more than scientist knew in like 1600's. They also knew the correct order of animal emergence.
"Your chemical theory does not explain why sometimes a human will risk their own life to save another"
Selflessness was selected for and is explainable within the framework of evolution.
Even animals display altruistic behavior, even towards other species. Dolphins have been known to come to the assistance of humans being attacked by sharks.
If individual A helps individual B, A is more likely to be helped by B in reciprocation if needed in the future.
scientists can't prove that the big bang happened. in order to do that they need to observe, test, and repeat the subject. they never observed, tested or repeated the big bang. so its just a made up idea.
there is a much more accurate fact that is easier to believe. called god. so powerful that he made time space and matter. even feelings of a human called a spirit or soul
how could a "big bang" create emotions, fear in someone, or love. it can't.
lolz to greyistight. You are a funny person. You deny science in favor of a THEORY in which your only evidence what so ever is a 2000 year old book written by tent toting primitive Jews to which the wheelbarrow would be emergent technology. Wow, you have just made yourself the idiot of the year. Emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions, nothing special. There is no real thing such as love. It all comes down to action and reaction.
OH!!! I Get it!! I thought it was an orgy in heaven or something.
No, not really.
What happens after we die is not decided on what we choose to believe. There is an "ultimate truth". Life should be about trying to find it, not change it.
"maybe two astral objects collided and exploded in a powerful nuclear type bang "
There is no credibility for this. Wingtsun1981 was sincerely asking this question because he wanted to learn about science and you are responding with something you dreamed up that isn't even coherent.
they dont know it was proven by penrose that mathematically it was possible to not understand the laws of physics before the bang but not effect the overall theory i personnally dont agree but he is a very good mathematician (singularity) i think from a black hole lynchmob im sure can confirm and expand on this a litte bit
so wait..wtf that doesn't make sense how did all the shit become the infinitely dense ...sphere thingy...and why did it blow up just because it was dense? So this random sphere full of goodies just blew up and sent everything where it is because..well it was always there and it was just like "hey i think it's time to blow up"? that is the origin of the universe? no coolio complex event? just... a..random ball decided that hey i have been here forever soo whatever i am bored...blow up time?....
great question and trust me i studied physics and never came across an explanation its like starting to count from 1 and not zero its why penrose ellis and hawkins never got thier nobel prize the mathematics do not add up and can be easily expossed as fundementaly flawed
ok cool were on the same page the lhc will tell us much of what we need to know the higgs boson if found would confirm the standard model and gravity would surely then be understood and then probably confirm the big bang thus puting particle wave duality into a context of superposition not observation (mwi) in my opinion would then be the most likely theory of how to combine qm and clasical physics as clasical linear fact (geometrical.Space and time would then be absolute no doubt about it.
u are talking about particles at a very elementary and not yet understood level were the condensate is involved and a superconductive force (superliquid helium) for example (dirac) so with or without the boson u have to concede there is a background medium again this puts relitivity in danger now again i go back to wpd these w and z boson are still wave in nature did u look at the 2 split experiment.
i have to admit im stumped as to why the z gauge boson is a point particle. Possible just a problem with mesurement at the atomic level. (uncertainty) But it does make sense for gravity to be wave natured as its strongest over large distances in agreement with the schrodinger equations and einsteins aswell.
"i have to admit im stumped as to why the z gauge boson is a point particle"
As one of the intermediate vector bosons which mediates the weak force, the Z is as much of a point particle as any other boson. The W+ and the W- are also carriers of the weak force.
Again, since gravity is one of the fundamental forces, it is very likely that it has its respective boson, and the elusive graviton will be discovered by the LHC.
i do agree it will be discovered it has to exsist but again i think were getting of topic big bang or not. the z particle will be found and will be interacting with its boson but again we will have to see if it turns out to be the higgs boson or another type yet to be thought of or discovered
ok the standard model is a math theory not yet experimentally proven even if it is problems will still exist as ive shown with these conducted experiments. now suppose the higgs is not found what were left with is very simple. qm would be the direct phenomena of a sub quantum level (prof s adler berkeley) the background medium lets call it the dark force shall we(quantum energy of the vacuum) copenhagen theory would stand up to this as it predicted it in the 20s
ok point taken wot im trying to say is pwd is an uresolved problem if wot u say is true and of course it may well be then ur right and pwd is then resolved as a classical phenomina on the other hand if it is confirmed as a result of messurment outside space time then it would rule out creation by a big bang is wot im trying to say? i do agree this is the protaganist view but one that does need and is bieng considered by very good scientist
Quantum physics has confirmed that a direct result of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is that matter and/or energy can appear uncaused, out of nothing, even in the deepest vacuum.
The quantum world does not behave with the same cause and effect as does our world of experience.
A Planck mass can appear out of nothing, and when it is a certain kind of scalar field, enough energy for a universe can result.
but quantum mechanics tells us a completely differant picture to what ur repressenting on here, the vacuum is not empty its alive at all levels especially the planc scale i thought u had more about you ive countered every argument u have and not one single reply seems like u can quote better than u can argue on this subject i fear you have been scientifically brain washed just like religounist are by priest and moulers the world over its science gone wrong i guess
You still have not addressed my argument which is airtight.
The vacuum of totality has always existed. Time and space were not inaugurated until the Big Bang. Negative pressure in the vacuum led to vacuous curvature. Vacuous curvature leads to quantum fluctuations. If the Planck mass is the right scalar field, a universe is created.
What is your refutation of this sequence of events?
If you bring up particle-wave duality, you fail since it has nothing to do with this topic.
part 2 (sos) if the boson is not found and that is a possibility then wave partical duality would then again have to be considered the fundemental starting point of all atomic process including the big bang because u could no longer argue superposition and again the responsibility would rest on the observer outside of space time. see double split experiment. This leads me too another problem with space time bieng absolute its called non locality im sure your aware of this (bell,einstien & stapp)
part 3 the petra two photon experiment shows us that two photons can comunicate with each other using there wave function at faster than the speed of light. this means the universe is background dependant not independent with zero rest mass particles traveling at the constant speed of light see special theory of relitivity. So if the boson is descovered then this problem will still exist. If the boson does not exsist then yes we have fundementaly misunderstood something very big.
now i do concede that wot im saying is also theoretical but unlike the standard model suffers no internal flaws. if the boson is not found forget everything else big bangs and the like, the biggest problem would be were does the mass for all the particles come from. Basically the universe would have no mass in it at all again copenhagen theory will stand up to this and also predicted it aswell. most importantly however wierd that might seem it makes quantum sense see ( prof amit goswami)
part (ive lost count) again my argument falls on the unresolved measurment problem which is at the moment overlooked even by people working in the field as a
continued....In fact if you calculate the current speed of the expansion of space, you can calculate the time and location of the next big bang, where gravity pulls the existing universe into the next singularity, and the infinite time loop continues. In this model finite & the infinite can exist, and at this point destruction=creativity, the end=the start The only rule of the universe is that everything ends until its begins again :-) fun eh
I dont believe that there was no such thing as time or space or matter before the previous big bang. All the focus is in the location of the previous big bang but the location of the next big bang. At this point the fabric of space time=speed of light=gravity=time zero. There is an infinite time loop and the existence of new time (creation of the new universe) and old time (the ending of the old universe). continued...
No, this is their best assumption based on their belief that GOD doesn't exist. And no one else is allowed to say anything or rebut them.
Just remember this: universe - uni=single/one & verse=spoken word. Universe means one spoken word......
In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth...And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Genesis 1:1& 14
i love this the big bang theory was first postulated by a vatican scientist who was told to defend genesis ie a creation so if you accept a big bang you accept creation because the first question you have to ask is this what caused the big bang was it god its a religious theory Georges Lemaître a catholic priest is the inventor and by the way einstien was not convinced of this theory at all it was mainly hubble that supported it
what gets me balling is that the universe is said to be 14 billion years old and estimated to have expanded over 31 "trillion" lightyears.
particles traveling at the speed of light for 14 billion lightyears (beginning to present) cannot account for the 31 trillion lightyear expansion. they'd have to have gone faster than the speed of light which is impossible. mwahahaha, i love loopholes...
So where did the sigilarity come from? I WANT to know if science can answer this one...someone please comment me and answer just this one question please please please...
thats the problem the singularity is an accepted paranormal event in science can u believe that? they offer no explanation to it what-so-ever. thats my objection its not based on riggerious scientific anaylisis just pure believe that we dont understand the reasons for anything before the so called big bang ill say this suppose there was a big bang maybe there was but it wasnt the start of anything, something procceded it thats as clear a day
The graviton, has indeed been proposed as the gauge boson for gravity. Every other fundamental force has a its respective gauge boson, and gravity does too. It's just a matter of when it is discovered, not if.
Local gauge symmetry is extremely well known and verified. It is a hard science.
Gravitons will be found by the LHC in the next couple of years and. Even if they are not, again, this has no effect on the BB.
i would like to say this were both arguing different ideas but both of our ideas are dependent on one thing and that is does the higgs boson exist i fear it may be a long time before we know for sure and i will happily concede if it is discovered but the possibilty that wave particle duality is fundemental not only to gravity and everything else is still very much a possibility and i do mean based on observation collapsing the wave function it is still standard physics as far as i know
"both of our ideas are dependent on one thing and that is does the higgs boson exist "
Again, all the other fundamental forces are mediated by gauge bosons. Even on the off chance that the Higgs is not found, this would not have the effect of refuting Big Bang Theory.
"Basically the universe would have no mass in it at all again"
Obviously the universe does have mass. So whether it's the Higgs, or some other mechanism, we will eventually find the explanation.
oops pressed wrong button (cont) an inconvenience. but i argue its fundemental and should not be overlooked by anyone or any particle for that matter i refer directly to the gauge bosons u are talking about they are not above the implications of the collapsing wave function or the (bhor) (de broggile) arguments the planc scale demands they are wave in nature also. however i do like the idea that gravition as a gauge can be linked to a background force its a very promising area of research
EXACTLY! How would the universe be created if nothing was before it! Nothing could trigger it. It's kinda scary thinking all existance was nothing before the universe! A blank peice of paper. I'm a long way from being convinced the big bang was real. No one has any proof
I don't believe that the "Big Bang" was real. If the universe contains everything that exists, and nothing exists outside of the universe, than the universe couldn't have formed by "the big bang". Here is how it works:
If nothing plus nothing equals nothing, than it would be impossible for the universe to form that way. If there was nothing before the Universe was born, than nothing and nothing must have collided, but they would have formed nothing, not the Universe. Confusing,but logical.
I think that there is a God, and that religion was just invented by men. The universe is so complex that, unless Einstein's theory of dimensions is true and we are living in that minuscule chance in which everything turned out right, this unvierse needs a creator.
i fail to understand how anyone can believe this. it just doesnt make any sense at all. if i believed this and that we're all a slave to our genetic makeup of our fathers who were once monkeys but morphed into humans i may as well shoot myself in the face because what purpose would there be to my life? None. God help us all.
its a massive problem how can we begin with a paranormal event and ignore all others i cant get my head round the fact an explosion created anything i mean if u detonate a bomb it tends to destroy rather than create and for something to explode it needs to be exploded from something a prime audio gas but wait a minute the prime audio gas was created in the big bang im mean if you dont know just say we dont know dont go making up ridiculous theorys to look clever its not working lol
hahah exactly right you said it. whats really disgusting is they're teaching all this to our kids as a fact! it really is horrible and the way things are going i dont know whats going to happen to the world.
Did you know that most wars in the last couple of thousands of years is caused by religion?
Did you know that not long ago, and for thousands of years back, religion was brought about by war and violence, and nothing else? No missionaries, "believe in my God or die" has been the norm for over 90% of religions span time.
Did you know religion freezes people out and even make people commit suicide?
The world would be beautiful without religion, almost everything about it is negative.
Religion is one thing, Christianity is another. But there are going to be groups of people who take Christianity to extremes obviously because people aren't perfect as history can clearly prove. True Christians follow the word of Jesus and if everyone did that, Heaven on earth wouldn't be an exaggeration it would be a reality. So you believe a speck of infinite mass that was infinitely hot which came from nowhere randomly exploded from which everything we see comes from? Sounds like a shroomtrip
Did you know that Christianity was spread through war and genocide? Those who refused to believe in God got hanged, those who mocked them got burned alive. If a whole village refused to believe in God, they burned it all to the ground. Christianity is one of the most evil and corrupt religion man has ever seen.
Ofc today thats not how its done, today they manipulate children an freezes out those who do not believe. And ignore all fact that are infront of them.
Do you know, according to Jesus, if a child swears to you, you have to kill him/her so that God can send him/her to hell? And that you should sell your child as a slave if you have several children already? And if anyone say they do not believe in God, you are to kill him on the spot? Most of the bible speak of hate and murder, slavery and death, why do you only pick the few words of love, from the very same Jesus, is that not a sin?
And btw, it woulnt hurt you to read up abouth the big bang and quantum physics. It wasnt just a big fireball that came from nothingness.
Btw, I have to ask. What created God? When and how did God come to exist? Did he just sit there for a hundred billion years and suddenly decided to make the universe?
If your God created man, man who thinks for himself, and often refuse to believe in what he cannot see or cannot explain. Yet he send those who do not believe to hell?
If God where real, I would never have followed him, it would be the most evil thing/creature/whatever that has ever existed. Hey Bob, I made you gay, sorry you gotta go to hell for it. Hi John, I made you smart, so you do not believe in me, sorry you gotta go to hell.. etc..
How is Christianity not a religion? It's just like all the other dozens of religions out there.
And yes, not believing in God or using Gods name in vain (blasphemy) is a mortal sin(put to death so God can send you to hell right away).
And if God did make people, that means he made atheists, satanists, gays, retards, jews, islams, hindus, etc etc, aswell as christians. How can he then condemn them? It's his fault if he made them like they are.
ty for reply put it this way there are stars three times the age of the big bang explain that one the cavity walls of space about 5 times older the information on the macroscopic level dosnt even add up also they dont dare tech that in school or people like george orwell he said the winner represents history not the truth or words to that effect
Couldn't agree more. If I was a scientist I'd wait until there are facts to back up everything about my theory before I go telling people, not make up a theory and say its true while figuring it out. Seems weird to me.
" If I was a scientist I'd wait until there are facts"
The Big Bang is a direct result of Quantum Physics, which is one of the most heavily vetted and verified scientific fields of all time.
The predictions of quantum physics are accurate to over 40 decimal places. We know, factually, what happened back to 10e-43 seconds after the Big Bang when gravity "froze out", and 10e-35 seconds when the Strong Force or Color Force froze out.
It is virtually impossible to be more accurate than this
quantum is very accurate no doubt so accurate wave particle duality rules out any big bang (read below aswell) its a religous theory which unlike qm is apperntly not subject to our known laws of physics. futhermore qm is a physical mechanical fact classical physics is yet to reach such standards look very closely without classical physics qm provides us with all the answers we could possibly ask for. relitivity is the problem here einstien said it himself it wont stand the test of time
"wave particle duality rules out any big bang (read below aswell) its a religous theory"
Oh my god! What have I been thinking! Of course, it is a religious theory. Whatever baseless, incoherent assertions you make that you pull out of your ass completely refute the physics done by geniuses!
I can feel confident about this considering the fact you capitalize and use punctuation worse than my 5 year old nephew! I've been wrong lo these many years!
The collapse of the wave function has absolutely no effect on the validity of the Big Bang.
"quantum energy of the vacuum?"
We know from the quantum uncertainty principle that it is not possible for nothing to exist. The product of the uncertainty of complex conjugates must never equal zero and must always be at least Planck's constant. This is a fact which supports the Big Bang being caused by a quantum fluctuation.
Because you do not understand how time and space can come to be does not mean it's impossible. The theory of big bang makes perfect sense, if you have a sense to begin with. Space and time is evolving every second, as we speak, the universe is growing immensely. Eventually collapsing into itself, creating a new big bang. And is probably going to repeat itself an endless amount of times, the universe will become bigger and bigger and bigger into the endless.
The Big Bang is very well understood. The first thing you have to understand is that Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle states and even demands that something comes from nothing... all the time. We know that HUP is valid because it is used in making electronics like the computer you are using.
The HUP tells us that particles at the subatomic level do not behave in the same way that objects at our everyday level behave. Particles appear out of the vacuum of space all the time.
When a Planck mass appears for a Planck time, if the scalar field is right, then a universe can be created. Yes, out of nothing. Actually, out of the vacuum, which is the irreducible primary of existence.
Vacuums create negative pressure. Negative pressure leads to vacuous curvature. Vacuous curvature leads to gravitational potential energy, or quantum fluctuations.
It was exactly one of these quantum fluctuations which lead to the Big Bang.
no ,big bang is theory i take ur point but ur taking about the uncomfired general relitivity theory of gravity or graviton (phantom particle) positive energy required, planks constant demands its a particle wave, im far more concerened with the wave function here
plainly speaking what colapsed it before the big bang u cant really argue superposition before these quantum effects took place during said big bang the particles didnt exsist nor did there have any effect
"plainly speaking what colapsed it before the big bang"
The singularity went through a symmetry breaking process in accordance with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. The singularity had 1 kind of particle and 1 kind of force. Entropy demands that this symmetry be broken, as it still does today.
What do you mean "morphed into humans"? It took 84 million years just to evolve from apes to neanderthals, another 400-600.000 years from neanderthals to humans. We didnt just suddenly wake up being popped from monkeys to humans. And what do you put in the word believe? You don't believe it, you know it or ignore it, we have 85 million years of proof that mankind has evolved. And no, you have no spiritual reason to live, when you die it's over. Doesn't give you any less of a reason to live now.
"if i believed this and that we're all a slave to our genetic makeup"
@ Tyberios123
I don't know where you are getting this claim but determinism has been known to be false for over 80 years ever since the discovery of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.
it has been in doubt since then einstien actually noticed it before hiesenberg any way dont get to defensive with me i loved ur retort very clever argument well put i dont doubt the universe was created i just dont believe an explosion had anything to do with it or god i believe conciousness did copenhaginist see henry stapp . "anybody tells u they understand quantum theory is lying or crazy " richard feynman.
"i dont doubt the universe was created i just dont believe an explosion"
I don't either nor does any Big Bang scientist. And explosion is from combustion. What happened at the Big Bang was inflation or the symmetry-breaking process which diversified the 12 particles and anti-particles and the gauge bosons.
"i believe conciousness did"
Consciousness does not exist without organic brains. Consciousness does not exist in diffuse matter or vacuums.
ur arguing singularity (penrose) we dont know the laws of physics before the big bang seems i cant argue with that but counciousness still exists in one cell organism (hameroff) u still havnt asnwered my question gravity was erupted in the big bang not before so how did gravity become part of ur argument of helping it create the big bang. and there is not one piece of evidence to support couciousness is brain function alone see (wenger)
a vacuum is the space between an electron and the nucleus ur argument seems to be centred around it bieng empty (quantum energy of the vacuum) or (dark force or dark matter) please enlighten me on ur thoughts. u can argue caos till the cows come home so can i. u are missing wot im trying to explain in terms of more fundemental particles coliding to create conciousness and then our matter system, see double split experiment ive already exposed the flaw of superposition in my last response
please look up alfred wallace on evolution its more or less his theory another thing not tought in school is he dismissed it himself. he felt the timeline was wrong so the winning side shall we say censored that very easily human antiquity goes back far longer than evolution
i heard that earth used to be a desolate planet where there were no trees or water etc, there was a huge ass meteor that crashed into earth and slowly earth began to rebuild itself with all the wondrous things we have now :/
most implausible thing I've ever heard of. ONE DAY, THERE WAS A BALL OF INFINITE STUFF, THEN OUT OF NO WHERE IT EXPLODED AND IT GREW REALLY BIG, THEN CREATED THE UNIVERSE. BULLSHIT
sorry i cant believe that something came from nothing, it just doesnt happen and what was the catalysis that set it off, i think all of this is behond our reasoning, they do call it a big bang THEORY!!!!
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I see so many correlations between the universe and cytology/biology, I look at the universe as one big "Cosmic-Cell" and everything within this Cosmic-Cell(stars, black holes, matter, dark matter) are just "Cosmic-Organelles" responsible for the cosmic-cell's functions.When I look at the baby picture of the universe I see cell division(Anaphase). We are the stuff of stars, the stars are the stuff of the universe; maybe the universe's nature/anatomy is not so different from our own? :]
Nez949 1 week ago
Expansion not Explosion
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MarkMaloney56 1 year ago
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I love the music but not the science but thats just me
nickharvey7 2 years ago
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We all have faith in something. Some have faith in a higher being, for some it is God, others science or self.
walybear 2 years ago
*sigh*
Great. Another ignorant person comparing science and faith.
jidar 2 years ago 3
"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality."
- Nikola Tesla
Keruaran 2 years ago
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Fake. The universe is only 6,000 years old.
MusicHypno 2 years ago
haha.
YourGodIsDeaD311 2 years ago 3
GOD DIDNT MAKE THE UNIVERSE
WAKE UP!
ryrybeck 2 years ago 2
you wake up... things dont just appear from nowhere
chong171 2 years ago
YOU wake up. According to quantum theory, it is quite possible to get something from nothing. Do a little research.
Stringprodigy 2 years ago 2
@Stringprodigy Then what makes the something come from "nothing?" How do you know it's really nothing?
dougmoerhoffman 1 year ago
@dougmoerhoffman, again, do some research into quantum mechanics, and more specifically quantum flux. Watch the video on Youtube - A Universe From Nothing, by Lawrence Krauss. Pay attention.
Stringprodigy 1 year ago
@Stringprodigy I actually have seen that, but it fails to answer a number of questions.
1. What makes this stuff pop in and out of existence in the first place?
2. Why is all the rest of the matter in the universe sustained in its existence? What's keeping it from disappearing?
3. If the mechanism that caused the Big Bang is happening right now, everywhere, what's stopping other Big Bangs from happening in our universe right now?
Pay attention yourself. I'm quite intelligent, thanks. Answer me
dougmoerhoffman 1 year ago
@dougmoerhoffman, it doesn't answer those questions, because the questions are total non sequiturs. In other words, they are the intellectual equivalent of asking "If evolution is true, then why are there still monkeys?". I'm not going to supply you answers to stupid questions if you are too lazy to expend any effort at least doing some basic research into quantum mechanics. Watch the video again, but this time, watch the whole thing and remember to PAY ATTENTION.
Stringprodigy 1 year ago
@Stringprodigy Really? O_o could you send me a link/refer me to something? it's possible to get something from nothing? mind-boggling...
prophetofpeace2010 1 year ago
@prophetofpeace2010, yeah, mind boggling. You have the video you need to watch in your favourites. I love it when theists think they have us beat by asking "Well, how do you get something from nothing", but they never get the irony....I could ask "Where did God come from?" They'll reply with "He was always there", as if that makes a lot more sense...Fuckheads! LOL
Stringprodigy 1 year ago
@Stringprodigy Whoa! No need to hate! Yeah. I just found that vid just after I replied here and I commented on it. I saw many people who also had questions about that video.
prophetofpeace2010 1 year ago
@prophetofpeace2010, not hating at all ;)
Stringprodigy 1 year ago
@prophetofpeace2010 No, scientist don't say the universe came from nothing. But there is no sense in duscussing what it came from cause we don't know. The most popular hypothesis is that it sprung from another universe. There may be many universes out there. Like soap bubble in an ocean of quantum foam.
ray38montreal 1 year ago
@ray38montreal hmm...yes. We can't really know what it came from with any certainty but that doesn't sound like an unreasonable hypothesis.
prophetofpeace2010 1 year ago
@Stringprodigy thanks for the lesson in being an idiot yourself
marz80801980 1 year ago
@marz80801980, man you're really bad at trolling. Try again, bud. ;)
Stringprodigy 1 year ago
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marz80801980 1 year ago
@Stringprodigy Hey cumdroplet of idiocy...you do you're FN HW, instead of being an ass pirate here. Familiar with Max Planck?
“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force..We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.”
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Father of Quantum Theory huh yeah..
marz80801980 1 year ago
@Stringmoron “All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.”
And; “Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.” Max Planck
marz80801980 1 year ago
@marz80801980 wow, you're really angry! Trying to win the internet? LMAO. Good luck with that, kid. Is what Planck said supposed to prove God? All he did was inject unsubstantiated religious assertions into quantum theory, without actually attempting to back up any of these ridiculous supernatural claims. See the sentence that starts with "We must ASSUME...."? If you knew anything about science, you would know that you cannot ASSUME anything. Quantum theory has come a long ways since Planck
Stringprodigy 1 year ago
@marz80801980 "you do you're FN HW..."
How ironic that you're questioning MY intelligence level when you are posting such childish, non-sensical drivel. Time to move out of your parent's basement and get your GED. ;)
Stringprodigy 1 year ago
ok.. you are right.. and like i cant proove physically god's existende i want physics explain me and everyone how thing appear from nothing with their theories... but you are right
chong171 2 years ago
best be trollin nig
patrickallain 2 years ago
Religion is something that keeps people's "Minds" safe. If you have heard of any religion and what they think is true and you think it is complete bullshit, what makes one religion above all others? If one religion is bullshit, then all other religion is bullshit. Scientific facts makes the most sense and has more proof than any other religion. and it is sad that people make money in church's for feeding people bullshit that's not even true. They're destroying other people's faith.
dgk990 2 years ago 2
Quantum theory is a fickle mistress in that I don't think that anyone truly understands it. In fact there is a saying among quantum physicists that if you think you understand quantum theory, you don't.
Tavereen 2 years ago
hmm I wonder what was before this "singularity"
I wonder if the birth of the universe was consciousness being thought of.. or something..
gods consciousness
EatAmerica 2 years ago
Your thinking on this is flawed. The concept of time does not apply to "before" the start of our current universe, as before the start of our universe time did not exist. Time didn't "begin" until the exact moment of the birth of our universe.
Tavereen 2 years ago
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EatAmerica 2 years ago
Ah, a troll, and not even a professional troll. What a disappointment.
Tavereen 2 years ago
i didnt even say that
EatAmerica 2 years ago
heres a theory for you.
God is the lightbulb in the movie projector of life
no big bang in the begining
just a flip of the switch
and the reels started spinning :)
xaedmon 2 years ago
I want to point out that just because someone doesent buy the "big bang" theory dosent automaticly mean they are religious. I believe in creation/intellignt design.....yet i am no follower of any "faith". No disrespect meant towards the faithfull mind you. Just wanted to remind others that there are those with opinions that come from a perspective that does not reflect mainstream viewpoints of one extreme or another.
xaedmon 2 years ago
I see what you are saying and am pleased to see that someone like yourself chose to make that point. Similarly, you find scientists that look into biology or any science in detail actually starting to believe in a creator when they see such organisation in the natural world. Many people confuse religion with primitive knowledge and thats very sad.
ukman2001 2 years ago
Though I think the idea of "creation/intellignt design" is silly & has no evidence to back it up, I dont believe in the BB either for the same reason, both are creation myths. I am an Agnostic Atheist & think real science has & will eventually have most of the answers.
rubberdown1969 2 years ago
It's good to see others question that which is deemed by many unquestionable. After much trial science will discover their reasoning error. Scientific thought on gravity is askew, they need to blink, rub their eyes & look at reality anew. From the understanding of this one thing will come understanding of all. The universal over-riding intelligence oozes evidence. Yet so far such is in the eye of the beholder. One day such a gleam science will see & then must rewrite their textbooks on reality.
xaedmon 2 years ago
@rubberdown1969 There's quite a bit of evidence for the Big bang. You're just as bad as the average creationist.
eyeAMtwinkEE 1 year ago
I find it odd that to believe in the big bang theory you must take a "leap of faith" to do so. because you are being asked to believe in "something" infintesimily small becoming infinitely hot, mmm pardon me to point out the obvious, but you are asked to believe in something impossible to concieve. I think you see where i am going with this. Whatever you believe, big bang or not, requires a leap of faith from strictly logical thought. Accident or design ?? i see design as the logical choice
xaedmon 2 years ago
here here, causality etc etc. Really, when you think about it how would you achieve infinate density? If the universe was infinate it wouldnt fit in a finite space, and if its not infinate then the singularity wouldnt have infinate density. I saw a documentary with stephen hawkins in it on this subject and he theorised that the universe was always here. Yet people dont believe god was always here, where is the logic?
ukman2001 2 years ago
the one that allows atoms to combine without having a universe made of protons alone, the nuclear forces, and gravity which allow stars to burn with stability and longivity so that life can flourish. Black holes may actually be vital to our existance for all we know recycling matter or something, this has been theorised. Our solar system has jupiter to help mop up comets and our atmosphere to take care of the rest. since we been around we had no probs.
ukman2001 2 years ago
In many cases humans will refuse to help another, its not an instinct for us its a mental decision. Survival of the fittest would likely have lead to a bunch of rapist men running around kicking the crap out of those unfortunate enough to be weak.
ukman2001 2 years ago
@ukman2001
Now you're moving the goalposts. You claimed that there could be no selfless behavior without god. I showed there is. You have not refuted it.
Now you are changing the subject to violent behavior. This is a much bigger problem for believers because why would god allow his creation to rape and murder? What kind of god of "perfect creation" is this?
And if you bring up free will, what about the free will of the victim to not be raped or murdered?
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
because god doesnt rule the earth currently. The bible says the devil does and therefore thats why we have all the trouble. But we didnt come to discuss this as you believe in blind random occurance, and i doubt i can change that. Also, i didnt move the goalposts i simply said some humans will save life of another, or will love another. Ultimately we do have free will to choose. Evolution would surely have bred us all to do either one or the other.
ukman2001 2 years ago
I really could care less if you want to believe in 2000 year old fairy tales, but don't speak about science until you learn something about it and how it works.
Believe what you like but science provides you with plentiful clean food and water, cars, airplanes, space shuttles, superconductors, medicine and even the computer you are using.
Religion has produced nothing.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
LOL BAHAHA, People produce those items, and many of the people designing them are christian. Man your so bitter and twisted. You would say we fell out of a giant dogs ass if it denied a creator. The genesis account is 3600yrs old and im a qualified scientist. I see you couldnt care less and thats fine, its the general direction of humanity these days. Trash the earth its a random occurance anyway and we arent accountable to the god of random chance so screw it.
ukman2001 2 years ago
i agree with you 2000 year old fairy tales religion has shown us many things destruction pain suffering death division. Religion is idiotic and foolish it is the root of most of the evil in this world, We are all one (The world is my country and my religion is to do good) Thomas Paine
nrmcewan 2 years ago 2
Your right that religion is a big problem, but its caused by misinterpretation of the bible for example. If people actually did exactly as the new testament says we would have no trouble. Unfortunately its mans greed that is the worlds biggest problem, we have enough food to go around yet we all sit debating on here while african kids starve. WW1 was all over land in africa and WW2 was hitler trying to make a master race via selective breeding.
ukman2001 2 years ago
This cosmological constant is a mathematical figure that arose from the failure to explain how this initial explosion could be shut off. It predicts an expansion of the Universe that is many billions of times too high.
nrmcewan 2 years ago
But we dont even understand the mechanism of gravitation, its a theory that is likely incorrect as other theories like string theory etc are becoming more feasable. This to me seems like another attempt at making it look like the answer is known when infact its based on theoretical principles. GPE is almost as lame an excuse as a multiverse to explain the perfect properties of this universe, i.e there were so many one was just right. Not provable im afraid
ukman2001 2 years ago
@ukman2001
The Theory of Gravity is incorrect?!?! BAHAHAHA Simply because we have not yet oberserved gravitons, we know they exist since every other fundamental force in the universe has its respective gauge boson. Are you saying Local Gauge Symmetry is wrong too?????
The perfect properties of this universe? The properties which have comets smashing into planets? Stars exploding? Black holes consuming entire solar systems? Galaxies colliding?
Which is the perfect one?
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
Now that we know that the Universe is expanding at an ever-increasing rate, this constant is exceptionally large and cosmologists have all but chosen to ignore it. They have also ignored evidence that some stars seem to be older than the age of the Universe itself. The Big Bang has been estimated to be around 12 Billion years old and some stars seem to be much older. Something is clearly not quite right. Im dying to read your reply to that.
nrmcewan 2 years ago
LKook into Plasma Cosmology for the answers without all the fudging & contradictions.
rubberdown1969 2 years ago
well acording to the theory im talking about all energy in the universe would be kenetic (electric)so plasma cosmology would not contradict what im saying
nrmcewan 2 years ago
The big bang theory is absurd
No big bang was ever heard
because no big bang ever occurred
The universe had it's begining
in a silent outward spinning
As within
So without
Reality unfolded from trhe inside out
Into the nothing an idea was hurled
And like a flower slowly unfurled
xaedmon 2 years ago
sorry to double post guys. I know that wereallanimals will now say im stupid too but i am a scientist and i work with many physicists and other phd, mSc, and BSc level scientists. Its about 50/50 who is atheist/theist among us. In the end strictly speaking there is no rational explanation. Atheists think that complex order came from nothing, and theist think a unverifiable individual created everything. Causality states the latter to be more rational though.
ukman2001 2 years ago
@Ukman2001
"Atheists think that complex order came from nothing"
I don't know of any atheist who thinks complex order came from nothing.
The Big Bang originated from the vacuum of totality which is the irreducible primary of existence. The vacuum, which has always existed contains graviational potential energy. GPE is negative energy.
All the matter and energy in the universe came from this GPE. There is no violation of conservation of energy because again GPE is negative energy.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
weareallanimals78; Your chemical theory does not explain why sometimes a human will risk their own life to save another. Why one group of chemicals even cares what happens to the chemicals in the other person. To be honest, your statement shows that your a cold person. Also the bible is more like3600 yrs old and they even knew the earth was round which is more than scientist knew in like 1600's. They also knew the correct order of animal emergence.
ukman2001 2 years ago
@ukman2001
"Your chemical theory does not explain why sometimes a human will risk their own life to save another"
Selflessness was selected for and is explainable within the framework of evolution.
Even animals display altruistic behavior, even towards other species. Dolphins have been known to come to the assistance of humans being attacked by sharks.
If individual A helps individual B, A is more likely to be helped by B in reciprocation if needed in the future.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
scientists can't prove that the big bang happened. in order to do that they need to observe, test, and repeat the subject. they never observed, tested or repeated the big bang. so its just a made up idea.
there is a much more accurate fact that is easier to believe. called god. so powerful that he made time space and matter. even feelings of a human called a spirit or soul
how could a "big bang" create emotions, fear in someone, or love. it can't.
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greyistight 2 years ago
Why would a perfect God create man for reasons to glorify him? Perfect? I think not.
b0ulder690 2 years ago
lolz to greyistight. You are a funny person. You deny science in favor of a THEORY in which your only evidence what so ever is a 2000 year old book written by tent toting primitive Jews to which the wheelbarrow would be emergent technology. Wow, you have just made yourself the idiot of the year. Emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions, nothing special. There is no real thing such as love. It all comes down to action and reaction.
weareallanimals78 2 years ago
um this video is wrong. in the beginning god created the heaven and the earth
greyistight 2 years ago
This is not how the world was created god created the world
heyitsjackk 2 years ago
i doubt god did anything
TRDism 2 years ago 7
The Big Bang ....
OH!!! I Get it!! I thought it was an orgy in heaven or something.
No, not really.
What happens after we die is not decided on what we choose to believe. There is an "ultimate truth". Life should be about trying to find it, not change it.
Nice video though!
cjohnweb 2 years ago
LOL
EmoGirly100 2 years ago
i appologise to wingtsun1981 was bieng silly lynchmob is right there is no evidence to support the comment i have removed it
nrmcewan 2 years ago
Where did the infinite density come from before the Big Bang?
wingtsun1981 2 years ago
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nrmcewan 2 years ago
@nrmcewan
"maybe two astral objects collided and exploded in a powerful nuclear type bang "
There is no credibility for this. Wingtsun1981 was sincerely asking this question because he wanted to learn about science and you are responding with something you dreamed up that isn't even coherent.
Stop it.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
they dont know it was proven by penrose that mathematically it was possible to not understand the laws of physics before the bang but not effect the overall theory i personnally dont agree but he is a very good mathematician (singularity) i think from a black hole lynchmob im sure can confirm and expand on this a litte bit
nrmcewan 2 years ago
so wait..wtf that doesn't make sense how did all the shit become the infinitely dense ...sphere thingy...and why did it blow up just because it was dense? So this random sphere full of goodies just blew up and sent everything where it is because..well it was always there and it was just like "hey i think it's time to blow up"? that is the origin of the universe? no coolio complex event? just... a..random ball decided that hey i have been here forever soo whatever i am bored...blow up time?....
Enlightenmeantiskey 2 years ago
great question and trust me i studied physics and never came across an explanation its like starting to count from 1 and not zero its why penrose ellis and hawkins never got thier nobel prize the mathematics do not add up and can be easily expossed as fundementaly flawed
personally i cant believe it passes peer review
nrmcewan 2 years ago
the comological constant is still an unresolved problem with the laws of thermodynamics and the second before the bang itself
nrmcewan 2 years ago
eventually gathered to form what???
lonesoul13 2 years ago
I like how someone downthumbed my comment on gravitons.
What, Christians don't believe in Local Gauge Symmetry now?
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
ok cool were on the same page the lhc will tell us much of what we need to know the higgs boson if found would confirm the standard model and gravity would surely then be understood and then probably confirm the big bang thus puting particle wave duality into a context of superposition not observation (mwi) in my opinion would then be the most likely theory of how to combine qm and clasical physics as clasical linear fact (geometrical.Space and time would then be absolute no doubt about it.
nrmcewan 2 years ago
@nrmcewan
This discussion started with you asserting that the Copenhagen interpretation of the wavefunction model refuted the Big Bang. It does not.
Now you are trying to point out problems with the standard model and say these refute the Big Bang. They do not.
There will always be problems with science, which has no pretense to perfection. Godel's Incompleteness Theorem has shown that.
Science witll always be learning and progressing, this is its strength, and far from refutatory.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
prove that the Higgsmechanism breaks it.
u are talking about particles at a very elementary and not yet understood level were the condensate is involved and a superconductive force (superliquid helium) for example (dirac) so with or without the boson u have to concede there is a background medium again this puts relitivity in danger now again i go back to wpd these w and z boson are still wave in nature did u look at the 2 split experiment.
nrmcewan 2 years ago
i have to admit im stumped as to why the z gauge boson is a point particle. Possible just a problem with mesurement at the atomic level. (uncertainty) But it does make sense for gravity to be wave natured as its strongest over large distances in agreement with the schrodinger equations and einsteins aswell.
nrmcewan 2 years ago
"i have to admit im stumped as to why the z gauge boson is a point particle"
As one of the intermediate vector bosons which mediates the weak force, the Z is as much of a point particle as any other boson. The W+ and the W- are also carriers of the weak force.
Again, since gravity is one of the fundamental forces, it is very likely that it has its respective boson, and the elusive graviton will be discovered by the LHC.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
i do agree it will be discovered it has to exsist but again i think were getting of topic big bang or not. the z particle will be found and will be interacting with its boson but again we will have to see if it turns out to be the higgs boson or another type yet to be thought of or discovered
nrmcewan 2 years ago
ok the standard model is a math theory not yet experimentally proven even if it is problems will still exist as ive shown with these conducted experiments. now suppose the higgs is not found what were left with is very simple. qm would be the direct phenomena of a sub quantum level (prof s adler berkeley) the background medium lets call it the dark force shall we(quantum energy of the vacuum) copenhagen theory would stand up to this as it predicted it in the 20s
nrmcewan 2 years ago
ok point taken wot im trying to say is pwd is an uresolved problem if wot u say is true and of course it may well be then ur right and pwd is then resolved as a classical phenomina on the other hand if it is confirmed as a result of messurment outside space time then it would rule out creation by a big bang is wot im trying to say? i do agree this is the protaganist view but one that does need and is bieng considered by very good scientist
nrmcewan 2 years ago
i love me some scifi
kennethwilkinson 2 years ago
where did that DOT came from?
akoakoako11 2 years ago
The big bang is not a fact
It's a theory!!!
Like your momma!!!
tuzz24 2 years ago
Atheist believe nothing made everything...
GTA2008 2 years ago
"Atheist believe nothing made everything..."
Quantum physics has confirmed that a direct result of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is that matter and/or energy can appear uncaused, out of nothing, even in the deepest vacuum.
The quantum world does not behave with the same cause and effect as does our world of experience.
A Planck mass can appear out of nothing, and when it is a certain kind of scalar field, enough energy for a universe can result.
The Big Bang is a fact.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
but quantum mechanics tells us a completely differant picture to what ur repressenting on here, the vacuum is not empty its alive at all levels especially the planc scale i thought u had more about you ive countered every argument u have and not one single reply seems like u can quote better than u can argue on this subject i fear you have been scientifically brain washed just like religounist are by priest and moulers the world over its science gone wrong i guess
nrmcewan 2 years ago
You still have not addressed my argument which is airtight.
The vacuum of totality has always existed. Time and space were not inaugurated until the Big Bang. Negative pressure in the vacuum led to vacuous curvature. Vacuous curvature leads to quantum fluctuations. If the Planck mass is the right scalar field, a universe is created.
What is your refutation of this sequence of events?
If you bring up particle-wave duality, you fail since it has nothing to do with this topic.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
part 2 (sos) if the boson is not found and that is a possibility then wave partical duality would then again have to be considered the fundemental starting point of all atomic process including the big bang because u could no longer argue superposition and again the responsibility would rest on the observer outside of space time. see double split experiment. This leads me too another problem with space time bieng absolute its called non locality im sure your aware of this (bell,einstien & stapp)
nrmcewan 2 years ago
part 3 the petra two photon experiment shows us that two photons can comunicate with each other using there wave function at faster than the speed of light. this means the universe is background dependant not independent with zero rest mass particles traveling at the constant speed of light see special theory of relitivity. So if the boson is descovered then this problem will still exist. If the boson does not exsist then yes we have fundementaly misunderstood something very big.
nrmcewan 2 years ago
now i do concede that wot im saying is also theoretical but unlike the standard model suffers no internal flaws. if the boson is not found forget everything else big bangs and the like, the biggest problem would be were does the mass for all the particles come from. Basically the universe would have no mass in it at all again copenhagen theory will stand up to this and also predicted it aswell. most importantly however wierd that might seem it makes quantum sense see ( prof amit goswami)
nrmcewan 2 years ago
part (ive lost count) again my argument falls on the unresolved measurment problem which is at the moment overlooked even by people working in the field as a
nrmcewan 2 years ago
lol totally i love the logic
nrmcewan 2 years ago
we'll do this again and thats spooky
ooohh!
joxbroxlove 2 years ago
continued....In fact if you calculate the current speed of the expansion of space, you can calculate the time and location of the next big bang, where gravity pulls the existing universe into the next singularity, and the infinite time loop continues. In this model finite & the infinite can exist, and at this point destruction=creativity, the end=the start The only rule of the universe is that everything ends until its begins again :-) fun eh
Kenbig77 2 years ago
scary eh?
joxbroxlove 2 years ago
I dont believe that there was no such thing as time or space or matter before the previous big bang. All the focus is in the location of the previous big bang but the location of the next big bang. At this point the fabric of space time=speed of light=gravity=time zero. There is an infinite time loop and the existence of new time (creation of the new universe) and old time (the ending of the old universe). continued...
Kenbig77 2 years ago
Apprently, the universe we are in is just a spec of dust. And that there are other universes?
EyeSlick 2 years ago
No, this is their best assumption based on their belief that GOD doesn't exist. And no one else is allowed to say anything or rebut them.
Just remember this: universe - uni=single/one & verse=spoken word. Universe means one spoken word......
In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth...And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Genesis 1:1& 14
TheLORDismySheperd1 2 years ago
i love this the big bang theory was first postulated by a vatican scientist who was told to defend genesis ie a creation so if you accept a big bang you accept creation because the first question you have to ask is this what caused the big bang was it god its a religious theory Georges Lemaître a catholic priest is the inventor and by the way einstien was not convinced of this theory at all it was mainly hubble that supported it
nrmcewan 2 years ago
what gets me balling is that the universe is said to be 14 billion years old and estimated to have expanded over 31 "trillion" lightyears.
particles traveling at the speed of light for 14 billion lightyears (beginning to present) cannot account for the 31 trillion lightyear expansion. they'd have to have gone faster than the speed of light which is impossible. mwahahaha, i love loopholes...
izlude2 2 years ago
So where did the sigilarity come from? I WANT to know if science can answer this one...someone please comment me and answer just this one question please please please...
mommy804 2 years ago
thats the problem the singularity is an accepted paranormal event in science can u believe that? they offer no explanation to it what-so-ever. thats my objection its not based on riggerious scientific anaylisis just pure believe that we dont understand the reasons for anything before the so called big bang ill say this suppose there was a big bang maybe there was but it wasnt the start of anything, something procceded it thats as clear a day
nrmcewan 2 years ago
"gravity missing at the particle level?"
The graviton, has indeed been proposed as the gauge boson for gravity. Every other fundamental force has a its respective gauge boson, and gravity does too. It's just a matter of when it is discovered, not if.
Local gauge symmetry is extremely well known and verified. It is a hard science.
Gravitons will be found by the LHC in the next couple of years and. Even if they are not, again, this has no effect on the BB.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
i would like to say this were both arguing different ideas but both of our ideas are dependent on one thing and that is does the higgs boson exist i fear it may be a long time before we know for sure and i will happily concede if it is discovered but the possibilty that wave particle duality is fundemental not only to gravity and everything else is still very much a possibility and i do mean based on observation collapsing the wave function it is still standard physics as far as i know
nrmcewan 2 years ago
"both of our ideas are dependent on one thing and that is does the higgs boson exist "
Again, all the other fundamental forces are mediated by gauge bosons. Even on the off chance that the Higgs is not found, this would not have the effect of refuting Big Bang Theory.
"Basically the universe would have no mass in it at all again"
Obviously the universe does have mass. So whether it's the Higgs, or some other mechanism, we will eventually find the explanation.
The Big Bang is a fact.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
oops pressed wrong button (cont) an inconvenience. but i argue its fundemental and should not be overlooked by anyone or any particle for that matter i refer directly to the gauge bosons u are talking about they are not above the implications of the collapsing wave function or the (bhor) (de broggile) arguments the planc scale demands they are wave in nature also. however i do like the idea that gravition as a gauge can be linked to a background force its a very promising area of research
nrmcewan 2 years ago
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mommy804 2 years ago
But the evidence of the big bang is really good
Second Law Of Thermodynamics
Universe Expanding
Radiation after Glow
Great Galaxy Seeds
Einstein Theory of General Relativity
but nature couldnt have caused it because there was no nature there was nothing
what is nothing... its what rocks dream about
so if there was no natural cause maybe it was a supernatural cause?
pachuca555 2 years ago
EXACTLY! How would the universe be created if nothing was before it! Nothing could trigger it. It's kinda scary thinking all existance was nothing before the universe! A blank peice of paper. I'm a long way from being convinced the big bang was real. No one has any proof
Freakishd 2 years ago
I don't believe that the "Big Bang" was real. If the universe contains everything that exists, and nothing exists outside of the universe, than the universe couldn't have formed by "the big bang". Here is how it works:
If nothing plus nothing equals nothing, than it would be impossible for the universe to form that way. If there was nothing before the Universe was born, than nothing and nothing must have collided, but they would have formed nothing, not the Universe. Confusing,but logical.
elculver2424 2 years ago
I think that there is a God, and that religion was just invented by men. The universe is so complex that, unless Einstein's theory of dimensions is true and we are living in that minuscule chance in which everything turned out right, this unvierse needs a creator.
AdventKingBand 2 years ago
yes you are right,if everything started in a big bang
where does our flesh and blood comes from
god says in the bible that he created us in his own image.
religion is invented by men,but are works of satan which deceive them so in other words its satan using them,to deceive nations
so in other words,its created by satan.
christianity isn a religion
jesus took away our sins so we would not be send to hell bcos of our sins
Highwayangel02 2 years ago
And btw, when I say those who do not belive in God, I ment those who had heard of God, but does not believe it is true, like atheists.
Not people that have never heard of God or Christianity.
Tome863 2 years ago
i fail to understand how anyone can believe this. it just doesnt make any sense at all. if i believed this and that we're all a slave to our genetic makeup of our fathers who were once monkeys but morphed into humans i may as well shoot myself in the face because what purpose would there be to my life? None. God help us all.
Tyberious123 2 years ago
its a massive problem how can we begin with a paranormal event and ignore all others i cant get my head round the fact an explosion created anything i mean if u detonate a bomb it tends to destroy rather than create and for something to explode it needs to be exploded from something a prime audio gas but wait a minute the prime audio gas was created in the big bang im mean if you dont know just say we dont know dont go making up ridiculous theorys to look clever its not working lol
nrmcewan 2 years ago
hahah exactly right you said it. whats really disgusting is they're teaching all this to our kids as a fact! it really is horrible and the way things are going i dont know whats going to happen to the world.
Tyberious123 2 years ago
Did you know that most wars in the last couple of thousands of years is caused by religion?
Did you know that not long ago, and for thousands of years back, religion was brought about by war and violence, and nothing else? No missionaries, "believe in my God or die" has been the norm for over 90% of religions span time.
Did you know religion freezes people out and even make people commit suicide?
The world would be beautiful without religion, almost everything about it is negative.
Tome863 2 years ago
Religion is one thing, Christianity is another. But there are going to be groups of people who take Christianity to extremes obviously because people aren't perfect as history can clearly prove. True Christians follow the word of Jesus and if everyone did that, Heaven on earth wouldn't be an exaggeration it would be a reality. So you believe a speck of infinite mass that was infinitely hot which came from nowhere randomly exploded from which everything we see comes from? Sounds like a shroomtrip
Tyberious123 2 years ago
Christianity = religion.
Did you know that Christianity was spread through war and genocide? Those who refused to believe in God got hanged, those who mocked them got burned alive. If a whole village refused to believe in God, they burned it all to the ground. Christianity is one of the most evil and corrupt religion man has ever seen.
Ofc today thats not how its done, today they manipulate children an freezes out those who do not believe. And ignore all fact that are infront of them.
Tome863 2 years ago
no,they're wrong
its not a religion
those who dont believe in god gets kill?
RUBBISH
jesus says in the bible to make diciple from all nations
if they really do kill non believer
its totally sinning against god
Highwayangel02 2 years ago
And you speak of the word of Jesus.
Do you know, according to Jesus, if a child swears to you, you have to kill him/her so that God can send him/her to hell? And that you should sell your child as a slave if you have several children already? And if anyone say they do not believe in God, you are to kill him on the spot? Most of the bible speak of hate and murder, slavery and death, why do you only pick the few words of love, from the very same Jesus, is that not a sin?
Tome863 2 years ago
And btw, it woulnt hurt you to read up abouth the big bang and quantum physics. It wasnt just a big fireball that came from nothingness.
Btw, I have to ask. What created God? When and how did God come to exist? Did he just sit there for a hundred billion years and suddenly decided to make the universe?
Sounds like you're smoking dope.
Tome863 2 years ago
One last thing.
If your God created man, man who thinks for himself, and often refuse to believe in what he cannot see or cannot explain. Yet he send those who do not believe to hell?
If God where real, I would never have followed him, it would be the most evil thing/creature/whatever that has ever existed. Hey Bob, I made you gay, sorry you gotta go to hell for it. Hi John, I made you smart, so you do not believe in me, sorry you gotta go to hell.. etc..
Evil sick mother fucking asshole..!
Tome863 2 years ago
you go learn about sins
we all goes to hell
if not for our gracious god sending his son
those who dont follow does not get the sins taken away,
so its eternal seperation
Highwayangel02 2 years ago
yes uhh
god do created us in his own image
even if there is big bang,its only those crap and stuff form
so our flesh and blood?
so we're convince god had created us
Highwayangel02 2 years ago
How is Christianity not a religion? It's just like all the other dozens of religions out there.
And yes, not believing in God or using Gods name in vain (blasphemy) is a mortal sin(put to death so God can send you to hell right away).
And if God did make people, that means he made atheists, satanists, gays, retards, jews, islams, hindus, etc etc, aswell as christians. How can he then condemn them? It's his fault if he made them like they are.
Tome863 2 years ago
ty for reply put it this way there are stars three times the age of the big bang explain that one the cavity walls of space about 5 times older the information on the macroscopic level dosnt even add up also they dont dare tech that in school or people like george orwell he said the winner represents history not the truth or words to that effect
nrmcewan 2 years ago
Couldn't agree more. If I was a scientist I'd wait until there are facts to back up everything about my theory before I go telling people, not make up a theory and say its true while figuring it out. Seems weird to me.
Xennavor 2 years ago
Glad to see someone with a pair of eyes to see.
Tyberious123 2 years ago
" If I was a scientist I'd wait until there are facts"
The Big Bang is a direct result of Quantum Physics, which is one of the most heavily vetted and verified scientific fields of all time.
The predictions of quantum physics are accurate to over 40 decimal places. We know, factually, what happened back to 10e-43 seconds after the Big Bang when gravity "froze out", and 10e-35 seconds when the Strong Force or Color Force froze out.
It is virtually impossible to be more accurate than this
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
quantum is very accurate no doubt so accurate wave particle duality rules out any big bang (read below aswell) its a religous theory which unlike qm is apperntly not subject to our known laws of physics. futhermore qm is a physical mechanical fact classical physics is yet to reach such standards look very closely without classical physics qm provides us with all the answers we could possibly ask for. relitivity is the problem here einstien said it himself it wont stand the test of time
nrmcewan 2 years ago
"wave particle duality rules out any big bang (read below aswell) its a religous theory"
Oh my god! What have I been thinking! Of course, it is a religious theory. Whatever baseless, incoherent assertions you make that you pull out of your ass completely refute the physics done by geniuses!
I can feel confident about this considering the fact you capitalize and use punctuation worse than my 5 year old nephew! I've been wrong lo these many years!
end sarcasm....
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
my appologies im actually like my great heroes newton and einstien dyslexic thanks for the personel attack no sarcasm
nrmcewan 2 years ago
Oh no, did I personally attack you? Of course not. I told you that you are wrong, dripping with sarcasm. You took it personally, that's your problem.
Further, scientific debates are robust and intense... if you want nothing but praise, go talk to your mommy or your preacher.
Lastly, I AM DYSLEXIC TOO. But I work at it and I don't let it be a pathetic excuse like you do for your inability to master the English language.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
laungage is a poor replacement for mathematics( i work on that ) im still waiting for the reason why im wrong
i told u you were wrong just dosnt cut it
tell me why im wrong.
have u kept up with my argument at all?
copenhagenism wave particle duality?
gravity missing at the particle level?
quantum energy of the vacuum?
what do u think the the plank scale is?
is there even a linear theory of gravity that can be consistent with qm?
nrmcewan 2 years ago
"copenhagenism wave particle duality?"
The collapse of the wave function has absolutely no effect on the validity of the Big Bang.
"quantum energy of the vacuum?"
We know from the quantum uncertainty principle that it is not possible for nothing to exist. The product of the uncertainty of complex conjugates must never equal zero and must always be at least Planck's constant. This is a fact which supports the Big Bang being caused by a quantum fluctuation.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
Because you do not understand how time and space can come to be does not mean it's impossible. The theory of big bang makes perfect sense, if you have a sense to begin with. Space and time is evolving every second, as we speak, the universe is growing immensely. Eventually collapsing into itself, creating a new big bang. And is probably going to repeat itself an endless amount of times, the universe will become bigger and bigger and bigger into the endless.
Tome863 2 years ago
Part 1
The Big Bang is very well understood. The first thing you have to understand is that Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle states and even demands that something comes from nothing... all the time. We know that HUP is valid because it is used in making electronics like the computer you are using.
The HUP tells us that particles at the subatomic level do not behave in the same way that objects at our everyday level behave. Particles appear out of the vacuum of space all the time.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
Part 2
When a Planck mass appears for a Planck time, if the scalar field is right, then a universe can be created. Yes, out of nothing. Actually, out of the vacuum, which is the irreducible primary of existence.
Vacuums create negative pressure. Negative pressure leads to vacuous curvature. Vacuous curvature leads to gravitational potential energy, or quantum fluctuations.
It was exactly one of these quantum fluctuations which lead to the Big Bang.
The Big Bang is a fact.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
no ,big bang is theory i take ur point but ur taking about the uncomfired general relitivity theory of gravity or graviton (phantom particle) positive energy required, planks constant demands its a particle wave, im far more concerened with the wave function here
plainly speaking what colapsed it before the big bang u cant really argue superposition before these quantum effects took place during said big bang the particles didnt exsist nor did there have any effect
nrmcewan 2 years ago
"plainly speaking what colapsed it before the big bang"
The singularity went through a symmetry breaking process in accordance with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. The singularity had 1 kind of particle and 1 kind of force. Entropy demands that this symmetry be broken, as it still does today.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
What do you mean "morphed into humans"? It took 84 million years just to evolve from apes to neanderthals, another 400-600.000 years from neanderthals to humans. We didnt just suddenly wake up being popped from monkeys to humans. And what do you put in the word believe? You don't believe it, you know it or ignore it, we have 85 million years of proof that mankind has evolved. And no, you have no spiritual reason to live, when you die it's over. Doesn't give you any less of a reason to live now.
Tome863 2 years ago
"if i believed this and that we're all a slave to our genetic makeup"
@ Tyberios123
I don't know where you are getting this claim but determinism has been known to be false for over 80 years ever since the discovery of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
I got that claim from my school that's shoving this nonsense down our throats.
Tyberious123 2 years ago
It's not nonsense, it's a fact.
Tome863 2 years ago
it has been in doubt since then einstien actually noticed it before hiesenberg any way dont get to defensive with me i loved ur retort very clever argument well put i dont doubt the universe was created i just dont believe an explosion had anything to do with it or god i believe conciousness did copenhaginist see henry stapp . "anybody tells u they understand quantum theory is lying or crazy " richard feynman.
nrmcewan 2 years ago
"i dont doubt the universe was created i just dont believe an explosion"
I don't either nor does any Big Bang scientist. And explosion is from combustion. What happened at the Big Bang was inflation or the symmetry-breaking process which diversified the 12 particles and anti-particles and the gauge bosons.
"i believe conciousness did"
Consciousness does not exist without organic brains. Consciousness does not exist in diffuse matter or vacuums.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
ur arguing singularity (penrose) we dont know the laws of physics before the big bang seems i cant argue with that but counciousness still exists in one cell organism (hameroff) u still havnt asnwered my question gravity was erupted in the big bang not before so how did gravity become part of ur argument of helping it create the big bang. and there is not one piece of evidence to support couciousness is brain function alone see (wenger)
nrmcewan 2 years ago
a vacuum is the space between an electron and the nucleus ur argument seems to be centred around it bieng empty (quantum energy of the vacuum) or (dark force or dark matter) please enlighten me on ur thoughts. u can argue caos till the cows come home so can i. u are missing wot im trying to explain in terms of more fundemental particles coliding to create conciousness and then our matter system, see double split experiment ive already exposed the flaw of superposition in my last response
nrmcewan 2 years ago
please look up alfred wallace on evolution its more or less his theory another thing not tought in school is he dismissed it himself. he felt the timeline was wrong so the winning side shall we say censored that very easily human antiquity goes back far longer than evolution
nrmcewan 2 years ago
i heard that earth used to be a desolate planet where there were no trees or water etc, there was a huge ass meteor that crashed into earth and slowly earth began to rebuild itself with all the wondrous things we have now :/
layzxcrazy 2 years ago
the things scientists will come up with.
linebeck222 2 years ago
the universe is not infinite. keep that in mind and the big bang is a bunch of bullshit.
linebeck222 2 years ago
so a big bang made living forms and it just randomly exploded one day? lol
AllenFTW 2 years ago
most implausible thing I've ever heard of. ONE DAY, THERE WAS A BALL OF INFINITE STUFF, THEN OUT OF NO WHERE IT EXPLODED AND IT GREW REALLY BIG, THEN CREATED THE UNIVERSE. BULLSHIT
linebeck222 2 years ago
yep sure is
AllenFTW 2 years ago
sorry i cant believe that something came from nothing, it just doesnt happen and what was the catalysis that set it off, i think all of this is behond our reasoning, they do call it a big bang THEORY!!!!
hitmanhornster 2 years ago
In science a 'theory' is all but proven.
What you are describing is a hypothesis.
And the big bang theory doesn't say 'something came from nothing'. Listen to the vid or do some reading.
PragnorVorn 2 years ago
Hear no Evil See no Evil Feel no Evil.....
The truth will set you free.... =D
PaulWayneBarnett 2 years ago