Refuting Ammar Nakshawani's Story on Imam Abu Hanifa (ra)

[DANNYBFD1]

@Shadi1007 Abu Hanifa ra lived 699 - 767 and Haroon Rashid lived 763 - 809 so this guy is lying. Haroon Rashid was 4 years old when Imaam Abu Hanifa died. The problem is you guys believe all the lies your predersessors have told you.

[DefendDeen]

@DANNYBFD1 On top of that this speaker gets between $1000-$2000 per lectures for all these lies. So the more he antagonizes Sunni heroes the more they demand him to speak.

[12hamida]

HERE IS AMMAR LYING AGAIN THIS STORY IS FALSE HERE IS MY CHALLENGE SHOW US YOUR PROOF AMMAR SUNNI SOURCES OF THIS STORY YOU CANT YOUR A TYPICAL SHIA RAFIDI LIAR YUR ONLY FOOLING YOUR CULT FOLLOWERS

[DefendDeen]

@Shadi1007 You are wrong! The dates 763-766 CE are found in narrations which are in regards to Haroon's birth and not his rule. His rule is takes place from 786 to 809 CE. Please check your sources again.

[youmuslim]

I have one refutation for this man. If you are so called follower of Ahlul Bayt... why do you not have a beard? SubhanAllah

[SUPERSAJINZ]

Sad thing is this event never took place. Imam Abu hanifahs book fish al Akbar clearly doesnt contains these lies this mans invented. Harun al rashid ruled during 2 century Hijra imam passed away about 40 years befor. Lol shia r confined mostly to the borders of Iran lol

[shmuhammad]

How can you say Ja'far As-sadiq was a sunni when the word sunni did not even exist. In fact the word sunni is Persian in origin and was first used by the Persians to mean those who follow the sunnah. The word Shia is taken from the Holy Qur'an. The follower of Musa was called a shia and Ibraheem was called a shia of Nuh. Muslims need to do research with an open mind. Some hadeeths from the Ahlul-Sunnah books have recorded the hypocracy of the od some of the compainions.

[DefendDeen]

@shmuhammad Brother the first shia of Ali are those who accepted Imam Ali as the fourth calipah. They were called shia. Your concept of tabarra against the 3 is a very big bidah. Also, the term shia in the Quran it also used in negative connotation too. Refer to Quran, 28:4. Also majority of Imam Sadeq's (as) students were Sunni. Refer to this clip. watch?v=jIh36EIzXc0 As for hypocrisy, I can show you how Hisham ibn Hakam fits the description with the shia interpretation of who hypocrites are.

[SvenskMuslim]

@DefendDeen

No brother, the first shia did not accept Ali as the fourth caliph but rather the first Imam who should have been the caliph as he was more knowledgable, pious and selfsacrifising than all the other three. Both Ali and his true followers (shia) rejected the caliphate of Abu Bakr let alone Omar and Othman. If you want I can give you all the evidence you need from your own sahihayn. The negative shia in Quran is secterism not following Ali. Shi'at Nuh and Musa are positive.

[DefendDeen]

@SvenskMuslim No you are wrong. The 12er Shia tafseer of sermon 97 in Nahjul Balaghah says the majority of Imam Ali's (as) followers accepted him as the 4th calipah. On top of that Imam Ali (as) tell us to follow the majority in Sermon 126 of Nahjul Balaghah. Also, if we go by your standard in al kafi it says Imam Jafar could not even find 17 shias to support his imamate.

[SvenskMuslim]

@DefendDeen

Kindly read the tafsir of your first claim once more specially this: "It was rather under their own principles which were known as democratic or consultative. HOWEVER, THERE WAS ONE GROUP WHO WAS SWEARING ALLEGIANCE TO HIM AS A RELIGIOUS OBLIGATION REGARDING HIS CALIPHATE AS DETERMINED BY ALLAH. Otherwise, the majority regarded him a ruler like the other Caliphs, and as regards precedence, on the fourth position, or at the level of the common men after the three caliphs."

[DefendDeen]

@SvenskMuslim I did. So in another words are you trying to say Imam Ali (as) became military leader of open monafiqs or non-momins ?

[SvenskMuslim]

Yes brother, this is exactly what I'm trying to say. Read the history of the caliphate of Imam Ali(A) and you will notice that a damned hypocrite (munafiq) such as Shimr ibn Dhu'l-Jawshan fought against Muawiyah under the banner of Imam Ali(A) in the war of Siffin. The very same Shimr cut off the head of Imam al-Husayn(A) with 12 strikes on back of his neck and cursed Imam Ali(A) at Yazids era of rule. Or refer to the Quran verses about munafiqun under the rule of the Prophet(S).

[DefendDeen]

@SvenskMuslim Yah but that's just one person. In fact, if you think monafiqs are only those who are non-12er Shia then you are wrong. In the Iraq/Iran war many 12er Shia sided with Sadaam, and fought against their Iranian 12er Shia brother. So once again your logic is flawed.

[SvenskMuslim]

The vast majority of those who slaughtered Imam Husayn were people from Kufah which means people who had sided with Imam Ali in his fight against Mu'awiyah. Even though vast majority of Kufians were with Imam Ali we read that only 1/3 of them were 12er shi'ites, meaning 2/3 of the Kufians were non shia. furthermore the Imam had around 10 000 troopers who became khawarij. Not just one person but many were munafiq in his army. However, I don't mean that just non-shi'ites were munafiq.

[DefendDeen]

@SvenskMuslim Do you have a source for this ? The reason I am asking is because I have a clip on my channel, and I also read in al Kafi that Imam Jafar as Sadiq (as) couldn't find 17 dozeners in his life time. As for figures, 24,000 became khawarij and Ibn Abbas (ra) convinced 20,000 to return. Let me know if you want the sources.

[SvenskMuslim]

What do you want sources on, that majority Kufians were non-shia?

What is a dozener?

Furthermore you need to understand one thing. Today there is somewhat more than 300 million who claim to follow the shi'i faith within Islam but only a handful are true shi'ites.

[DefendDeen]

@SvenskMuslim Dozen = 12, Dozeners = Inthna Ashri = 12ers In Al Kafi it states that there were an estimated of 100K shias during Imam Jafar as Sadiq (as) time. However, the imams says if I even found 17 among them I would make my claim. As for true shias yes I have another clip where a Shia scholars says the Shias will loose iman in the last days and as result they will betray the Mahdi. The point is we don't what our status till we die. The key to brotherhood lies in the Kalma

[SvenskMuslim]

@DefendDeen

Regarding your second claim please show me your reference because sermon 126 is Imam Ali(A) condemning the lifestyle of Uthman ibn Affan when people get angered over him (meaning Ali) not giving extra money to powerful people. But even if it would be correct, yes Imam Ali(A) has told muslims to follow the majority... but in what, and who are the majority?

Majority of the rightly guided muslims, not those who accepted to curse Ahl al-Bayt just because Mu'awiyah said so.

[DefendDeen]

@SvenskMuslim i don't follow Muawiyah. He was wrong and his Islam was only on the outside. Majority are those who accepted Imam Ali (as) as the 4th right guided Calipah. As for be with the majority it doesn't mean we do taqleed. Its just mean we have to be united with them under the banner of Islam without taqiyyah.

[isl06063087]

@DefendDeen "He was wrong and his Islam was only on the outside." SubhanAllah brother, where did you get this from? Which scholar from the ahlus-Sunnah has ever said this or held this opinion? Do you have any proof?

[DefendDeen]

@isl06063087 In tahreek al Tabari, Imam Ali (as) supplicated against Muawiyah in his qunoot.

[isl06063087]

@DefendDeen Imam Tabari himself, in the beginning of his work, has said that not everything in it is authentic and that he wanted to collect reports and narrations from everyone. Has this specific report been authenticated by the scholars of hadith? I don't know of any salaf or the khalaf of the ahlus-Sunnah that have held this opinion of Mu'awiyah (r.a).

[DefendDeen]

@isl06063087well then if that's the case with you then this is not a topic for public discussion.

[SvenskMuslim]

@DefendDeen

For this I have lots of respect for you akhi because worst thing for me is acknowledging Yazid and a little less bad for me is acknowledging Mu'awiyah and his father Abu Sufyan and his mother Hind. The first three caliphs were missguided and of bad character according to my opinion which is clearly stated in history but they were not as appearent as the Abu Sufyan family. Do this akhi, compare Imam Ali with the other three caliphs and decide which one was greater.

[DefendDeen]

@SvenskMuslim Yes the 12er Shia opinion is Abi Bakr (ra) and Umar (ra) are as evil or even worst than Muawiyah and Yazid. You just don't think its clear to us. As for my opinion on 4 calipahs I believe Imam Ali (as) was the most qualified to lead, but the tensions between Ummavi and Hashimis allowed the Muslim to take a break and look at another direction.

[SvenskMuslim]

@DefendDeen

Regarding your third claim you must first of all understand one thing. According to our belief there isn't any 100% authentic book except for the holy Quran. So even in the al-Kafi books there are unauthentic ahadith. With this said the hadith you mention is sahih and doesn't mean anything else than the forsakenness of Ahl al-Bayt by the muslims. Sunnis saw them as normal teachers and most "shi'as" were weak just like today, only a handful muslims followed the real truth!

[DefendDeen]

@SvenskMuslim Only Allah (swt) is judge on who is who. If you think you are going to jannah for a being a 12er SHia then good for you. I on the other hand, believe in Adl (divine justice) in the true sense. So whether you are sunni, shia, khwarija, mutazilla you will be judged. There is no green card to jannah.

[SvenskMuslim]

@DefendDeen

I completely agree with you on this part. I don't believe that I will reach jannah just by being a 12er shia but depending on my intention in obeying and worshipping Allah and in following His blessed representatives. I believe in tawassul of the blessed Prophet(S) his pure Ahl al-Bayt(A) but in a hadith Imam Ali(A) said "the best type of tawassul is for you muslims to live like us. Fight like us, recite Quran like us etc. etc." and that is my intention.

[DefendDeen]

@SvenskMuslim ok. That is great!

[SvenskMuslim]

@DefendDeen

What is great brother?

Why did you unvalidate my other two replies?

Is this islamic behaviour according to your opinion?

[DefendDeen]

@SvenskMuslim Cause I had to go pray isha. I came back and approved the rest. Is accusation a legit Islamic behavior ?

[SvenskMuslim]

@DefendDeen

I apologise for my hasty conclusion which led to a baseless accusation against you. Brother, I never claimed that shia view is that the first three caliphs are better than Abu Sufyans household so that you conclude that I hide things from in you in this discussion. read my earlier comment "they were not as appearent as the Abu Sufyan family" meaning as stated by Imam Khomeini in his book islamic governing "at least they established Sunnah of the Prophet in appearence".

[DefendDeen]

@SvenskMuslim To be honest Khomeini is no shia scholar. He is philosopher. If you want me to refer to works, then I am sure you are aware that he said Ayesha (r), Talha(r) & Zubair (r) are worst than pigs and dogs. Also since your view openly associates Abi Bakr (ra) and Umar (ra) with Muawiyah and Yazid then also know that this is main reason I oppose you is because of this. If you want to send lanat then go ahead. However, why opposition will never stop.

[codemastersden]

@shmuhammad

Actually the word sunnah also appears in the Quran, its not a new word. This doesn't mean the bakri sect is right, it just means they chose their titles carefully and deceptively.

[mkhan52]

sorry what's the problem with this narration?

[DefendDeen]

@mkhan52 It has a timeline issue. Abu Hanifa (ra) did not exist at the era where the full narration claims to have taken place.

[NoorNE]

Shiites are such imbeciles.

[flexyy]

Gross lies in this video abu Hanifa never believed all our actions are predestined, to know this fact all you to do is read abu hanifa's fiqh al akbar. Also he was not a Murji, the most that can be said as some scholars did was that he was from the murjiat al fuqaha, which is that iman dosnt increame or decrease rather taqwa increases n deceases, and he never tried to water down actions in islam in other words his statement compared to that of other imam's was just a difference of semantics.

[omarb21]

Astaghfrillah these miss guided people speak with fabricated narrations

[asad1871]

@DefendDeen - and u said u dnt need to learn from a 12er the 12ers beleive in the 12 imams and u jst said the 12 imams r of the ummah and all the ummah shud follow again u seemed very confused then shudnt u be a 12er to???? DO you know who imam saddiques master is? and his master?? if thre are12 personalites that av more kndlge other than the 12 imams then follow them if not who and why r u following other teachers u moron ur a typical suni lack so much kndlge read ur own hadiths stupid

[DefendDeen]

@asad1871 Brother there is no direct works of the Imams themselves. The books we have are from their student's students who are not infallible. We believe in the Israelis Prophets does this mean we should become Jews or Christians ? For ahadith 2/3 of al Kafi is rejected by your own sect. Does rejecting a jew mean rejecting Musa (as) ? Does rejecting a christian mean rejecting Isa (as) ? No! Likewise rejecting the 12r shias does not equal to rejecting the 12 imams.

[sumziebelle]

wait.. Bahlool lived in the time of both Imam Ja'fer Sadiq AND Imam Musa al Kadhim (which is when Haroon al Rashid was the caliph), hence he was there during the time of Haroon right?

[DefendDeen]

@sumziebelle But this clip is not about Bahlool's existence. Its about Abu Hanifa (ra) who died prior to Haroon's rule.

[asad1871]

Honestly some people are so cluless why post this video without even doing your research??? do u know even know whose scholar abu hanifa taught from?? the same scholar who is of the 12 imams he got his teachings from a shiaaaaa so why r u learning from him and not from the scholar who taught him u really need to do ur research b4 actin like a right plonker

[DefendDeen]

@asad1871 Its you who is clueless. Your Nakshawani has been proven wrong. As for Imam Jafar as Sadiq (as) I am aware he is Imam Abu Hanifa's (ra) master. I don't need a 12r to tell me this. The 12 Imams are Imams of the whole ummah.. However, unlike what you claim, they didn't call other Muslims monafiqs. As for the teachings of Ahlul Bayt, the majority of Imam Jafar's (as) students were Sunni and not shia. On my page there is video to prove this too.

[mkhan52]

he didnt even mention Haroon Rasheed. He is only mentioning the confrontation between Abu Hanifa and Bahlool in the court.

[DefendDeen]

@mkhan52 I agree, but if you look at the full source where he got this from, it does indicate that it takes place during the time of Haroon Rasheed. The link is posted right below the video. This is what happens when people blindly accept everything other people say. May Allah guide us all!!

[mohammed6175]

this guy speaks alot of lies-i am hanifa, and know well that these were not the beliefs of imam abu hanifa r.a, and he dident even live in that time period- but then again-theses guys fabricate ahadith of the prophet s.a.w and disrespect the sahaba r.a and ummul mu,mineen hazrat aiyish r.a, so i, not suprised he,s having a go at imam abu hanifa r.a- he,s not fit to lick the dirt of his boots!!!!!!!!!!!

[gassan1987]

Pathetic again! You are defening your ego not your deen.

[DefendDeen]

Its not pathetic. The source Ammar used is made up. I posted the link on the side. This debate did not even exist. Some of you 12rs believe Ammar is infallible, so you would even go against logic to defend him.

[bagila]

Your cutting and pasting as you do with every lecure and do not allow the whole point to be made or take incidents out of context-

[DefendDeen]

There was no more details on Imam Abu Hanifa (ra). I didn't leave anything out.

[DefendDeen]

Yes he is cutting and pasting from the narration. If you read the full narration you will see what it says in the end.

[bagila]

sayed ammar does not say harun rashid was judging this case-

behlool and abu hanifa living in same period-- then behlool stayed alive, and continued till harun rashid

stop making false accusations

[DefendDeen]

I gave you the full report from your own sources and proved its a fabrication. Also, Hanafis don't have these beliefs which Ammar accuses them of. Hanafis are either Mutazilli or Maturidi.