Good performance of the patter overall. Although I do agree with an earlier poster that the stances could be a wee bit longer. Save the short stances for sparring. Also, when I learned this one the kiai was on the last technique.
You should try doing the pattern with a 2 year old in the same room. I give that a difficulty level of 10. Gotta video that sometime.
@kazimierz333 Yes, I do know what sine wave is, and on the contrary, it is entirely dispensable. In fact, it is a relatively new development. Originally the patterns were supposed to be performed with your head and shoulders on the same plane at all times. I'll admit, I have implemented a small bit of sine wave into my forms, but only when appropriate (which isn't often.)
I just learned this form and I enjoy doing it. I'm partial to traditional forms. What you see today with all the flips and flashy stuff just bothers me a little bit.
It's going to take me some getting used to such a different martial art than what I've trained in thus far.
I checked Jaroslaw out. I have to admit, it's one of the better ITF Renditions I've seen. Unfortunately, it still has several of the hallmarks of ITF that just make us cringe. The excessive sine wave (hey, sine wave is fine when used appropriately, but not on EVERY move) the lack of 'half-moves' and lax chambers. While we do the same patterns as ITF, we are obviously very Not ITF. I respect what they are trying to do, it's just not what we do.
FINALLY! Technical criticism rather than teenage trash-talk. It makes it a lot easier for me to take you seriously. To address your points:
*We are not most disciplines. The only time we begin and end our patterns with a kiyap is when it is called for in the specific form, Gae-Baek, for example. In Chun-Ji, the only Kiyap is on the 17th move. In Do-san, they are on the 8th and 17th, etc.
*We use a wider Front (Walking) Stance. We teach beginners both feet straight ahead for proper hip alignment, but at the higher levels turn the back foot out slightly, as did Hee Il Cho in the olden days.
*Which Blocks? The Low Blocks or the Forearm blocks? On the Low Blocks, we use an 'S-curve' of the arm, with the fist directly above the knee and the foreknuckles pointed at the floor. With the forearm blocks, well, we don't do blocks for those. They are actually downward backfists.
Oh, no. Maybe somebody changed it,or couldn't figure out where the kiyap was supposed to be before teaching you, but this is the proper lace. The seventeenth move, on the last forward punch. Though some schools teach you always kiyap at the beginning and end of every form.
I applied the stupid filter and here's what came out:
"OK, remember where you are punching. You're not punching their throat; you're punching their gut. It is like that in all forms."
Even in English, it doesn't make sense.
Also, I found your demonstration to be very good. I'd like to see a video response from those who disagree showing their execution of chun-ji, instead of just some typed words.
Jeez, so many experts. Walking stances (or front stances) vary according to different taekwon-do governing bodies. Out here on the west coast, I've never heard of 2 shoulder long front stances. Ours are short and square and we insist on the back foot to be pointing straight forward.
The simple fact is that there is no universal formula. Different people do things better different ways. Our style is roughly a shoulder and a half long and one shoulder wide. We make the gup ranks keep their back foot straight ahead for posture, but the dan ranks are more adaptable.
I switched from Taekwondo American to CTF. So, I had to go back and tweek my patterns to meet the CTF standards. Your videos are good. Yes....we're told that front stances are supposed to be long and shoulder and a hald apart.
Walking stances are far too short, Your L-stances are too narrow, Someone could push you over. Also you arm is to bent when doing the low blocks and you are punching too high - punches should be aimed at the opponents chest, not face - Just a few things I would point out.
Very helpful - Thankyou so much!
MrSuckerz 8 months ago
@MrSuckerz You're very welcome!
tequilakong 6 months ago
Good performance of the patter overall. Although I do agree with an earlier poster that the stances could be a wee bit longer. Save the short stances for sparring. Also, when I learned this one the kiai was on the last technique.
You should try doing the pattern with a 2 year old in the same room. I give that a difficulty level of 10. Gotta video that sometime.
onyx62 1 year ago
do you know what wave is??
you don't know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wave is indispensable in tkd
if you want to know more about it look at the short seminar with gen. Choi Hong Hi
kazimierz333 1 year ago
@kazimierz333 Yes, I do know what sine wave is, and on the contrary, it is entirely dispensable. In fact, it is a relatively new development. Originally the patterns were supposed to be performed with your head and shoulders on the same plane at all times. I'll admit, I have implemented a small bit of sine wave into my forms, but only when appropriate (which isn't often.)
tequilakong 1 year ago
I just learned this form and I enjoy doing it. I'm partial to traditional forms. What you see today with all the flips and flashy stuff just bothers me a little bit.
It's going to take me some getting used to such a different martial art than what I've trained in thus far.
Good job!
MystikBeast 2 years ago
OMFG !!!! im a green belt in ITF TKD n my stances and punches are much better thn urs n btw ur stances are too short !!
beverage2008 2 years ago
Heh. Sure. Let's see that video of them. Better yet, hop a plane across the pond and we can swap licks.
tequilakong 2 years ago
You need deeper stances.
SmashedAcorns 3 years ago
@SmashedAcorns Sure. Deeper stances are nice for tournaments, but not so much when you need to shift your balance quickly.
tequilakong 1 year ago
Note: Great example or demonstration of Pattern (ITF/GTF) is "Jaroslaw" here on youtube...
Sabanum07513 3 years ago
I checked Jaroslaw out. I have to admit, it's one of the better ITF Renditions I've seen. Unfortunately, it still has several of the hallmarks of ITF that just make us cringe. The excessive sine wave (hey, sine wave is fine when used appropriately, but not on EVERY move) the lack of 'half-moves' and lax chambers. While we do the same patterns as ITF, we are obviously very Not ITF. I respect what they are trying to do, it's just not what we do.
tequilakong 3 years ago
Pattern is Off:
* All Paterns should end w/ a Keyup or the Pattern Name (standard) most Disciplines
* Walking Stands should be shoulder width apart and both feet facing Forward...
* Blocking hand on Blocking Arm should be bent and Fist Lined w/ shoulder...
Sabanum07513 3 years ago
FINALLY! Technical criticism rather than teenage trash-talk. It makes it a lot easier for me to take you seriously. To address your points:
*We are not most disciplines. The only time we begin and end our patterns with a kiyap is when it is called for in the specific form, Gae-Baek, for example. In Chun-Ji, the only Kiyap is on the 17th move. In Do-san, they are on the 8th and 17th, etc.
(Continued)
tequilakong 3 years ago
(Cont)
*We use a wider Front (Walking) Stance. We teach beginners both feet straight ahead for proper hip alignment, but at the higher levels turn the back foot out slightly, as did Hee Il Cho in the olden days.
*Which Blocks? The Low Blocks or the Forearm blocks? On the Low Blocks, we use an 'S-curve' of the arm, with the fist directly above the knee and the foreknuckles pointed at the floor. With the forearm blocks, well, we don't do blocks for those. They are actually downward backfists.
tequilakong 3 years ago
LOL you where doing chun-ji hyung wrong you ke-yap at the end!!!
Oldwag12 3 years ago
Oh, no. Maybe somebody changed it,or couldn't figure out where the kiyap was supposed to be before teaching you, but this is the proper lace. The seventeenth move, on the last forward punch. Though some schools teach you always kiyap at the beginning and end of every form.
tequilakong 3 years ago
My TKD school calls it Chun-Ji Tul, and there is no kihap at the end, it is at the 17th move.
Anne1776 3 years ago
@Anne1776 It largely depends on the instructor. At my school, the kiyap is used in the first, ninth, and ninteenth moves.
BassmanII 7 months ago
You are too stiff and need to let your movements flow from one to the other.
YungCeo09 3 years ago
Your stances are a bit short, and you shout at the end of the pattern. Otherwise good power and control
abbiss89 4 years ago
i think someone takes his forms too literally ^^^^^^^^^
kempobrad 4 years ago
I applied the stupid filter and here's what came out:
"OK, remember where you are punching. You're not punching their throat; you're punching their gut. It is like that in all forms."
Even in English, it doesn't make sense.
Also, I found your demonstration to be very good. I'd like to see a video response from those who disagree showing their execution of chun-ji, instead of just some typed words.
Learyban 4 years ago
Jeez, so many experts. Walking stances (or front stances) vary according to different taekwon-do governing bodies. Out here on the west coast, I've never heard of 2 shoulder long front stances. Ours are short and square and we insist on the back foot to be pointing straight forward.
giljgilj 4 years ago
The simple fact is that there is no universal formula. Different people do things better different ways. Our style is roughly a shoulder and a half long and one shoulder wide. We make the gup ranks keep their back foot straight ahead for posture, but the dan ranks are more adaptable.
tequilakong 4 years ago
I switched from Taekwondo American to CTF. So, I had to go back and tweek my patterns to meet the CTF standards. Your videos are good. Yes....we're told that front stances are supposed to be long and shoulder and a hald apart.
rebarsucks 4 years ago
ok remember where your punching your not punching there throut your puching there gut its like that in all forms
gaaraloverss 4 years ago
Walking stances are far too short, Your L-stances are too narrow, Someone could push you over. Also you arm is to bent when doing the low blocks and you are punching too high - punches should be aimed at the opponents chest, not face - Just a few things I would point out.
HotKebab 4 years ago