Not using a rope here, when you have a rope in your sack, is probably as stupid as it comes. Watching your friend gingerly creep round a rock while videoing him, when he probably has a 1 in ?10, or 1 in?50 (who knows) chance of falling/slipping to his death, whilst encouraging him on, defies belief.
@baalsrud What rubbish. Partners who know the limits of their friends are perfectly able to know when a rope and when just simple encouragement is needed. I did the Cuillin Ridge Traverse this summer with a partner who didn't quite fancy some of the bits I soloed. That's when the rope came out. The other times I knew he could do it (i.e. the Inn Pinn) so just some encouragement was needed to get to the top sans rope. With the CRT if you rope up for it all you'll never make it in a day.
@baalsrud I take it you don't climb at all then. If you did you would know that speed is often safety and that in some situations that being roped together would be more dangerous than not being. Climbers set out with the full knowledge that they are putting themselves at a certain degree of risk (from bouldering to alpinism this applies) and those that cannot accept this should not be on the hill. Managing this risk is key and is exactly what we did. Rope for hard bits, solo easy bits
@hunta998 oh no, I climb. I know full well that sometimes speed can mean safety. However ropes are never dangerous, unless you have no gear in - and there's masses of places for gear on Tower Gap.
Where there's also a 100% likelihood of death if you fall, use rope.
I've lost too many friends to stupid accidents say such rubbish as "I knew he could do it unroped". Sometimes the best ability means nothing.
@baalsrud Well said....chance of a fall and consequences of a fall are different ..judgement called for! There are old mountaineers and bold mountaineers ...but no old bold mountaineers ....a bit corny , but contains a little warning.
went across this the other weekend....cracking day...albeit a long one.....didn't get chance to take photos of this bit...too busy hanging on..provided you take your time holds are brilliant,,,one of my best days in Scotland
Ha Ha, the mountainn rescue team wouldn't be much good if Davidhe fell off the gap! But, to b sure, buachaille's encoragement and advice is sound and very much in the tradition of Scottish climbing, we don't all want to b lead over the hills by a proffesional, where is the fun in that. David's obviously got bthe balls and humour needed for the hills, johnwattdon comes over like a humourless proffesional that would bore a good climb to death...
Lighten up John; we had two members of the mountain rescue team with us and sacks full of climbing gear if needed, which it wasn't. David's a much better scrambler than I am and is quite capable of saying if he needs help, which he didn't. One thing I wouldn't disagree with, we certainly are amateurs, from the Latin derivation meaning motivated by the love of the pursuit.
@johnwattdon Would agree John He did not look like a good scrambler ..no rope ...route finding?? Have a look at some of the Clach Glas -Blaven scramblers by comparison.
There's a great saying ...come home .. my best friend didn't.
Ok I've tiptoed over Sharp Edge, been up Striding Edge in snow and ice but that looks scary as hell..!! I'm going up Ben Nevis in Nov, think i'll be choosing an easier route.
Fair play to you guys..!!
Love the camra mans comment.. !Just lean across, Aye..!"
Yawn, Yawn. Would the wimps go hame and leave us arseholes in peace? Great video by the way.
crabbitgeezer 5 months ago
Not using a rope here, when you have a rope in your sack, is probably as stupid as it comes. Watching your friend gingerly creep round a rock while videoing him, when he probably has a 1 in ?10, or 1 in?50 (who knows) chance of falling/slipping to his death, whilst encouraging him on, defies belief.
richardhnewmark1 5 months ago
Mental, just mental.
I could never do that due to the exposure.
jwramsay16 1 year ago
@jwramsay16 Don't go there! ...get used to places where there is less exposure ..and don't bring a '' show off'' for guide.
Lisnageeragh 10 months ago
thats dumb ... use a rope
paulius360 1 year ago
@paulius360 Yes!!
Lisnageeragh 10 months ago
Excuse my ignorance but is this section part of the cmd arete?
tpoc1 1 year ago
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Lisnageeragh 1 year ago
@tpoc1 No...nothing like this on CMd ..but b careful... especially in WINTER CONDITIONS!
PS...don't bring this guy as guide!!!
Lisnageeragh 1 year ago
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@tpoc1 No...nothing like this on CMd ..but b careful... especially in WINTER CONDITIONS!
PS...don't bring this guy as guide!!!
Lisnageeragh 1 year ago
Clearly should have been roped. A fall there and he'd be dead. Not funny, not clever.
baalsrud 1 year ago
@baalsrud What rubbish. Partners who know the limits of their friends are perfectly able to know when a rope and when just simple encouragement is needed. I did the Cuillin Ridge Traverse this summer with a partner who didn't quite fancy some of the bits I soloed. That's when the rope came out. The other times I knew he could do it (i.e. the Inn Pinn) so just some encouragement was needed to get to the top sans rope. With the CRT if you rope up for it all you'll never make it in a day.
hunta998 1 year ago
@hunta998 "i knew he'd make it" and "you'll never make it in a day". Try explaining that to a widow or widower. Speed is never an excuse.
baalsrud 1 year ago
@baalsrud I take it you don't climb at all then. If you did you would know that speed is often safety and that in some situations that being roped together would be more dangerous than not being. Climbers set out with the full knowledge that they are putting themselves at a certain degree of risk (from bouldering to alpinism this applies) and those that cannot accept this should not be on the hill. Managing this risk is key and is exactly what we did. Rope for hard bits, solo easy bits
hunta998 1 year ago
@hunta998 oh no, I climb. I know full well that sometimes speed can mean safety. However ropes are never dangerous, unless you have no gear in - and there's masses of places for gear on Tower Gap.
Where there's also a 100% likelihood of death if you fall, use rope.
I've lost too many friends to stupid accidents say such rubbish as "I knew he could do it unroped". Sometimes the best ability means nothing.
baalsrud 1 year ago
@baalsrud Well said....chance of a fall and consequences of a fall are different ..judgement called for! There are old mountaineers and bold mountaineers ...but no old bold mountaineers ....a bit corny , but contains a little warning.
Lisnageeragh 1 year ago
Brilliant ! The true spirit of mountaineering
weaves6985 1 year ago
went across this the other weekend....cracking day...albeit a long one.....didn't get chance to take photos of this bit...too busy hanging on..provided you take your time holds are brilliant,,,one of my best days in Scotland
Garvain66 1 year ago
Ha Ha, the mountainn rescue team wouldn't be much good if Davidhe fell off the gap! But, to b sure, buachaille's encoragement and advice is sound and very much in the tradition of Scottish climbing, we don't all want to b lead over the hills by a proffesional, where is the fun in that. David's obviously got bthe balls and humour needed for the hills, johnwattdon comes over like a humourless proffesional that would bore a good climb to death...
dreadlegs 2 years ago
Lighten up John; we had two members of the mountain rescue team with us and sacks full of climbing gear if needed, which it wasn't. David's a much better scrambler than I am and is quite capable of saying if he needs help, which he didn't. One thing I wouldn't disagree with, we certainly are amateurs, from the Latin derivation meaning motivated by the love of the pursuit.
buachaille 2 years ago
this guy needed the encouragement of a professional guide as he was obviously struggling , and not a couple of sniggering amatures,,
johnwattdon 2 years ago
@johnwattdon Would agree John He did not look like a good scrambler ..no rope ...route finding?? Have a look at some of the Clach Glas -Blaven scramblers by comparison.
There's a great saying ...come home .. my best friend didn't.
Lisnageeragh 1 year ago
give the bloke a rope! lol.
nks487 2 years ago 2
@nks487 Indeed!
Lisnageeragh 1 year ago
that spot looks identical to DOMONION MTN 7335' in the southern selkerk range ,near salmo ,BC CANADA
sasktank 3 years ago
Send us the air fare and I'll be happy to verify the comparison. :)
buachaille 3 years ago
Cheers for that. We got a near perfect day - dry, no wind, good visibility. Would love to do it again next year.
buachaille 3 years ago
That took real balls man. Well done.
Sender0n 3 years ago 2
JEEEEZUS...
Ok I've tiptoed over Sharp Edge, been up Striding Edge in snow and ice but that looks scary as hell..!! I'm going up Ben Nevis in Nov, think i'll be choosing an easier route.
Fair play to you guys..!!
Love the camra mans comment.. !Just lean across, Aye..!"
paranoidandroid67 3 years ago 4
Geeee-swis!
frankigoodwin 3 years ago 2