This whole thing just pisses me of. Its like kenya is just pissing on the ICC. The politicians implicated in the post elections violence need to go there. If they so innocent why they so damn scared to go? Kalonzo is an idiot for trying to drag the rest of Africa down with kenya when seeking to detach from the ICC. I love ma country but i hate its politicians.
OH MR KALONZO,more than 1500 Kenyans died and you are compaining for the true not to come out?????????? you are not supposed to wark for Kenyans.Mr Ocampo,please help us!, come back we think there are still more.
K K K (New KANU). For kenyans who were young in the 90's none of this KKK guys was in the opposition. Now they are enjoying democracy they never and were not willing to fight for. When Raila, Andrew Ngumba, Muliro, Odinga, Imanyara, Paul Muite, Orengo, Anyang Nyongo, Ngilu etc were fighting for democracy, Motherfucker Kalonzo was the mininster for Education, Ruto was the Chairman of YK 92,, Jirongo -Secretary of YK92, Uhuru was still in Moi College of Tribalist . Wajinga ndio wamesahau
Come 2012, I would rather vote for Ruto, Uhuru or Raila than Judas Iscariot aka Kalonzo.......... Can anybody imagine, Kalonzo is a lawyer by profession!! Save and delivered, spirit filled and power packed.......grrrrrrrrhhh goes to church to prayer for killers, mafias, rapists and murderers than IDPs all over Country.... .........Eieeeeeshhh!! Msaliti by birth!
I would rather vote for Ruto, Uhuru or Raila than Judas Iscariot aka Kalonzo..........for heaven sake even in my death bed!!! NEVER!!!!!. Reason being, afadhali asiye jua Mungu kabisa kuliko kondoo anaye vaa ngozi ya fisi. Kalonzo would rather pray for killers, mafia, rapists and murderers than the IDPs all over kenya.........A week ago i watched him saying, nawaombea na Mungu atasikia. Eieeeeeshhh!! Msaliti by birth!
on 27th august last year i screamed of happiness and my heart was happy i was proud to be a kenyan i travelled all the way to go back home and waitness the signing of the new law. Now? Now my heart is bleeding am dry of tears knowing that joy was only short lived. This "animals" dont respect as Kenyans how will they respect the law.
@kipngenokirui001 Hahaha man, you are a classic your-mother-should-have swallowed-you. Of all the things you could think of, is that it?Who cares about Raila, Kalonzo or whoever. Think IDPs, Taxpayers' Money, Security or lack thereof, North Eastern et al. If you were half smart, which I doubt, what the president is would not matter as long the gvt of the day does it's job.
What does this man Kalonzo stand for? He is an attorney and knows that one cannot even in their actions as a public officer commit a crime against humanity and invoke his title as a defense. If this were the case Idi Amin Dada and such other African brutes would not been seen as culpable for their acts. I have never seen an opportunist like Kalonzo.
If i preside over bank malpractices and leads to collapse of the bank, loss of savings for our customers, and loss of jobs. So my bank is going to defend me against the crimes under my watch? What sense does this make
kalonzo i hope u just die soon n leave us alone.what a fucker? dont u have obligations to feed people who r dying of hunger?dont u have obligations to settele refugies in their own country? just die u son of a bitch!
Kalonzo Musyoka is just playing is usual role, opportunistic of the worst kind, he is ready to protect evil just because he wants to become the next president, and i wonder which type of God this man believes in. Let him ask is tribes man Mutula for advise. If Ruto or Uhuru are innocent,the evidence against them wont hold water,why panic.
Hell no! The commissioner was being paid a hefty salary for his service. He however did not do a good job of protecting Kenyan lives after the election. Kalonzo, being a so called christian man, I would say to you, let the man carry his own cross. You guys are out of your mind if you are thinking of using taxpayers money to defend these millionaires. You should be ashamed.
If Ali and Muthaura lose the case and are jailed, will they be jailed as private individuals or they will be in jail on behalf of the Govt of Kenya? And if a fine is ordered, will the Kenyan people also pay for them? If the are tried locally by Kenyan law, will the govt prosecute and defend at the same time????
Hey you ol cow Kalonzo remember that Kenyan's did not employ most of you govt officials who are now trying to seek the mercy of the very people whom you hold hostage so that you can live like Kings. What happened in Tunisia should be a warning for all of you fat cats that your days indeed are numbered and a time at such a day and a moment will arrive when you will be the ones on the other side of the aisle helplessly asking for the very mercy and justice you have so far denied Kenyans...OLD COW
but instead go for those from ODM. If Ocampo has the phone logs, well and good but the court (prosecutor) will have to prove that Ali acted as a result of that phone call by not arresting PNU adherents. No matter what, the government should in my opinion pay for the two officers. The yhad no fish to fry in this episode unlike the politician.
Ali's case is very simple and in my opinion,with a good lawyer, he'll be set free.
The two and especially Major Ali were civil servants at the time. They still are.
What they did was performed IN THE LINE OF DUTY.
If anyone butchered the populace, then, Ali will tell us who gave the orders. If it's not him, then, those (policemen) who killed raia should be answerable.
According to Ocampo, it seems Ali was indicted over the phone call he allegedly received from Muthaura asking him not to counter the rioting PNU followers.....cont
How would I give out my money to defend in court those who killed my own people? No one should force me to do that, including Kalonzo! The people we hired as our servants to represent us in the government are now acting like they can shove their shi# into our mouths. It's time we fired these arrogant idiots because we are their boss!!!
Thw writing is on the wall, Kenyans are saying NO to the use of their tax money to fund court cases for billionaires. Let those who are stupid enough to feel philantropic enough send their money. But we want our taxes to be used for the betterment of our miserable lives. Let them try and Kenyans will do a Tunisia. They are out of touch with the people employing them and are pushing it too far.
vicarious liability of the state for acts committed by public servants in the course of their duties is established law. The burden of proof lies on the prosecutor to prove that what these public servants did was beyond their powers. It sucks that their legal fees must be paid by the state but if their proven guilty then the state can recover the amount from their assets
era of appeasement towards the Nazi,post war period still caught up with the Nazis.Supporters of Apartheid South Africa,including Kenya, US, UK, the release of Mandela saw hardly a trace of apartheid supporters. Even Moi behaved like he never breached the sanctions against apartheid.History has caught up with them.Now just like those who butchered people in the Kalenjin versus the rest 1992 'land clashes', the then masterminds became the 2007 'reformists', justice has caught up with them.
This Kalonzo guy is either dumb or thinks Kenyans are dumb. Based on his analogy the Nazi officers acting under direction from Hitler have been let go since they were acting under orders from above. Just because you are a civil servant does not give you permission to break the law.
@suensmith I think Ben Ali fled after the military turned against him. Having lost his protection, he had no other choice. If they had backed him, he would have massacred thousands & stayed in power. i wonder how such a scenario would play in Kenya, given that our army is always controlled by politicians unlike other countries. I guess they would spill the blood of millions rather than give up their power! Woe unto us for what we elected!
Kalonzo is peddling lies in RV for 2012 survival...No employee has no excuse in court for obeying illegal orders that did harm to others! The court will deal with you as an individual. ICC cannot prosecute entire gov'ts...it targets specific persons and links them to specific crimes....Kalonzo liars and spin doctors like you will go to hell!
The only way we can avoid this kind of misdirecting leadership, is by removing them current politicians, put in new leaders and lets move on! Its not enough for us to keep on saying this and that, Doing it is much better! Can all the Kenyans stand up against these Prophets of doom??? DO IT come 2012!
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1Guitarslayer 1 year ago
This whole thing just pisses me of. Its like kenya is just pissing on the ICC. The politicians implicated in the post elections violence need to go there. If they so innocent why they so damn scared to go? Kalonzo is an idiot for trying to drag the rest of Africa down with kenya when seeking to detach from the ICC. I love ma country but i hate its politicians.
Kenyaboy1515 1 year ago
OH MR KALONZO,more than 1500 Kenyans died and you are compaining for the true not to come out?????????? you are not supposed to wark for Kenyans.Mr Ocampo,please help us!, come back we think there are still more.
j12121000 1 year ago 3
@suensmith me n u r ging to have a massive falling out soon. lol
karuitha 1 year ago
if ever there was a luhya or jaluo among the 6, these fat hyenas like mudavadi would be singing a different tune. ODM matako
karuitha 1 year ago
K K K (New KANU). For kenyans who were young in the 90's none of this KKK guys was in the opposition. Now they are enjoying democracy they never and were not willing to fight for. When Raila, Andrew Ngumba, Muliro, Odinga, Imanyara, Paul Muite, Orengo, Anyang Nyongo, Ngilu etc were fighting for democracy, Motherfucker Kalonzo was the mininster for Education, Ruto was the Chairman of YK 92,, Jirongo -Secretary of YK92, Uhuru was still in Moi College of Tribalist . Wajinga ndio wamesahau
mdomokaya1 1 year ago
.....we hired you and we shall then fire you as your employer come 2012!!!!
smithlovekenya 1 year ago
I can't believe it took me sooooooooo many years to realize how foolish this man is!
mcmagicx 1 year ago
Come 2012, I would rather vote for Ruto, Uhuru or Raila than Judas Iscariot aka Kalonzo.......... Can anybody imagine, Kalonzo is a lawyer by profession!! Save and delivered, spirit filled and power packed.......grrrrrrrrhhh goes to church to prayer for killers, mafias, rapists and murderers than IDPs all over Country.... .........Eieeeeeshhh!! Msaliti by birth!
mdomokaya1 1 year ago
I would rather vote for Ruto, Uhuru or Raila than Judas Iscariot aka Kalonzo..........for heaven sake even in my death bed!!! NEVER!!!!!. Reason being, afadhali asiye jua Mungu kabisa kuliko kondoo anaye vaa ngozi ya fisi. Kalonzo would rather pray for killers, mafia, rapists and murderers than the IDPs all over kenya.........A week ago i watched him saying, nawaombea na Mungu atasikia. Eieeeeeshhh!! Msaliti by birth!
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TRuthbrand 1 year ago
We the Kenyan people are the "Employer" and we reject this bullshit. It must stop forthwith! Choke!
slytheron 1 year ago
on 27th august last year i screamed of happiness and my heart was happy i was proud to be a kenyan i travelled all the way to go back home and waitness the signing of the new law. Now? Now my heart is bleeding am dry of tears knowing that joy was only short lived. This "animals" dont respect as Kenyans how will they respect the law.
atlastosh 1 year ago
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atlastosh 1 year ago
@kipngenokirui001 Hahaha man, you are a classic your-mother-should-have swallowed-you. Of all the things you could think of, is that it?Who cares about Raila, Kalonzo or whoever. Think IDPs, Taxpayers' Money, Security or lack thereof, North Eastern et al. If you were half smart, which I doubt, what the president is would not matter as long the gvt of the day does it's job.
TheLakeview4 1 year ago
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TheLakeview4 1 year ago
What does this man Kalonzo stand for? He is an attorney and knows that one cannot even in their actions as a public officer commit a crime against humanity and invoke his title as a defense. If this were the case Idi Amin Dada and such other African brutes would not been seen as culpable for their acts. I have never seen an opportunist like Kalonzo.
Maweresistance 1 year ago
If i preside over bank malpractices and leads to collapse of the bank, loss of savings for our customers, and loss of jobs. So my bank is going to defend me against the crimes under my watch? What sense does this make
lubangad 1 year ago 2
kalonzo i hope u just die soon n leave us alone.what a fucker? dont u have obligations to feed people who r dying of hunger?dont u have obligations to settele refugies in their own country? just die u son of a bitch!
engineer14 1 year ago
Kalonzo Musyoka is just playing is usual role, opportunistic of the worst kind, he is ready to protect evil just because he wants to become the next president, and i wonder which type of God this man believes in. Let him ask is tribes man Mutula for advise. If Ruto or Uhuru are innocent,the evidence against them wont hold water,why panic.
merkeju 1 year ago
Hell no! The commissioner was being paid a hefty salary for his service. He however did not do a good job of protecting Kenyan lives after the election. Kalonzo, being a so called christian man, I would say to you, let the man carry his own cross. You guys are out of your mind if you are thinking of using taxpayers money to defend these millionaires. You should be ashamed.
ayoma825 1 year ago
What Kalonzo is saying is what it is! ."should be & will be".
samantha7300 1 year ago
@samantha7300 hapo ni kweli samantha. Raila fanatics are worried
karuitha 1 year ago
If Ali and Muthaura lose the case and are jailed, will they be jailed as private individuals or they will be in jail on behalf of the Govt of Kenya? And if a fine is ordered, will the Kenyan people also pay for them? If the are tried locally by Kenyan law, will the govt prosecute and defend at the same time????
justevansi 1 year ago
Hey you ol cow Kalonzo remember that Kenyan's did not employ most of you govt officials who are now trying to seek the mercy of the very people whom you hold hostage so that you can live like Kings. What happened in Tunisia should be a warning for all of you fat cats that your days indeed are numbered and a time at such a day and a moment will arrive when you will be the ones on the other side of the aisle helplessly asking for the very mercy and justice you have so far denied Kenyans...OLD COW
kanyaugatiejagwo 1 year ago
yaani kenyans employed ali to kill them because they dont know how to commit suicide!!!
siasaduni 1 year ago
but instead go for those from ODM. If Ocampo has the phone logs, well and good but the court (prosecutor) will have to prove that Ali acted as a result of that phone call by not arresting PNU adherents. No matter what, the government should in my opinion pay for the two officers. The yhad no fish to fry in this episode unlike the politician.
Ali's case is very simple and in my opinion,with a good lawyer, he'll be set free.
SonNative 1 year ago
I am with Kalonzo on this.
The two and especially Major Ali were civil servants at the time. They still are.
What they did was performed IN THE LINE OF DUTY.
If anyone butchered the populace, then, Ali will tell us who gave the orders. If it's not him, then, those (policemen) who killed raia should be answerable.
According to Ocampo, it seems Ali was indicted over the phone call he allegedly received from Muthaura asking him not to counter the rioting PNU followers.....cont
SonNative 1 year ago
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How would I give out my money to defend in court those who killed my own people? No one should force me to do that, including Kalonzo! The people we hired as our servants to represent us in the government are now acting like they can shove their shi# into our mouths. It's time we fired these arrogant idiots because we are their boss!!!
bwanakeino 1 year ago
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bwanakeino 1 year ago
Kalonzo u are sick. In saying that you are implicating the Government as the planner of the PEV
little1920 1 year ago
Looks Like Kalonzo Musyoka has completey lost touch with reality ...
If one of his on would have been a victim of the cold blood Police murder cases, he wouldn't be standing there uttering such wierd statement ..!
mwachere 1 year ago
Thw writing is on the wall, Kenyans are saying NO to the use of their tax money to fund court cases for billionaires. Let those who are stupid enough to feel philantropic enough send their money. But we want our taxes to be used for the betterment of our miserable lives. Let them try and Kenyans will do a Tunisia. They are out of touch with the people employing them and are pushing it too far.
OneWholeKenya 1 year ago
vicarious liability of the state for acts committed by public servants in the course of their duties is established law. The burden of proof lies on the prosecutor to prove that what these public servants did was beyond their powers. It sucks that their legal fees must be paid by the state but if their proven guilty then the state can recover the amount from their assets
mras040 1 year ago
era of appeasement towards the Nazi,post war period still caught up with the Nazis.Supporters of Apartheid South Africa,including Kenya, US, UK, the release of Mandela saw hardly a trace of apartheid supporters. Even Moi behaved like he never breached the sanctions against apartheid.History has caught up with them.Now just like those who butchered people in the Kalenjin versus the rest 1992 'land clashes', the then masterminds became the 2007 'reformists', justice has caught up with them.
elly300 1 year ago
kalonzo is a bullshitter...
daisyao 1 year ago
Why is Kalonzo and kibaki wasting tax payers money? Are they watching what's going on in tunisia?
banule 1 year ago
This Kalonzo guy is either dumb or thinks Kenyans are dumb. Based on his analogy the Nazi officers acting under direction from Hitler have been let go since they were acting under orders from above. Just because you are a civil servant does not give you permission to break the law.
rickomba 1 year ago
Are Kenyan tax payers going to fund the trial of those who murdered their relatives? Kalonzo seems to think so.
jakadenge 1 year ago
@suensmith I think Ben Ali fled after the military turned against him. Having lost his protection, he had no other choice. If they had backed him, he would have massacred thousands & stayed in power. i wonder how such a scenario would play in Kenya, given that our army is always controlled by politicians unlike other countries. I guess they would spill the blood of millions rather than give up their power! Woe unto us for what we elected!
SimbaMwendapole 1 year ago
Kalonzo is peddling lies in RV for 2012 survival...No employee has no excuse in court for obeying illegal orders that did harm to others! The court will deal with you as an individual. ICC cannot prosecute entire gov'ts...it targets specific persons and links them to specific crimes....Kalonzo liars and spin doctors like you will go to hell!
siasabora 1 year ago
The only way we can avoid this kind of misdirecting leadership, is by removing them current politicians, put in new leaders and lets move on! Its not enough for us to keep on saying this and that, Doing it is much better! Can all the Kenyans stand up against these Prophets of doom??? DO IT come 2012!
Tonyyayo444 1 year ago
mass action majamaa...
odhiscroco 1 year ago