@ minute 36 I would've liked it if they went into this topic more at depth. Something along the lines of "Because we are fallible, we require a common ground on which to assert and prove things, and skepticism and rational thinking provide just such a ground, with exceptionally good results."
That Jay caller was nothing more than a self-promoting turd, simply revolving around the idea of "I think this" and "I think that". It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT SHE THINKS. What matters is what she can prove.
@1976cyclist So, if it's not possible to prove non-existence of god, gods, aliens, leprechauns, or unicorns. It certainly does not mean that in fact they do exist. Existence has to be proven not non-existence.
- "Honest question ok. What proof is there that there is 'no God'?? Would like to know."
What proof is there that there is "no Cow and Chicken"?
Do you see what I did there? You are mixing up gods in general, the Christian god God and a "no God".
You can't prove a negative, so it's hard to prove that there couldn't be a god somewhere. However, disproving the existence of God is possible, depending on how people define their "God" and what attributes that specific god has.
@1976cyclist get this ok Atheists are just a denial from a belief. we are not trying to disprove it if you dont bring us enough prof or that is even stable AND NOT from the BIBLE ITS A BOK GET it.
it looked at 192 posters on an autism website (wrongplanetdotnet)+61surveys from responders to online posts.
non-representative sample, self-reported diagnosis for autism, religious beliefs determined from posts (93% reliability). i call bullshit.
any turd can be polished, like this other famous example of wasted paper: Tan M, Jones G, Zhu G, Ye J, Hong T, et al. (2009) Fellatio by Fruit Bats Prolongs Copulation Time.
If payer worked, christians wouldn't need be christians because they wouldn't need faith. Their purpose on earth would be defeated. They would go back to being an isignificant speck of fucking dust in this vast universe.
"Forgive them father, for they clearly know not what they are doing. Have you seen the dovetailing on this cross? It's shocking. I'd be embarrased to call it a plank, never mind a cross. Quite frankly I'd expected a lot more from the Roman Empire. I'm not talking Chippendale quality, but seriously, would a straight edge have been out of the question? A little sandpaper maybe? I'm just thankful I wasn't a plumber. They'd probably have shoved my head down a Bethlehem khazi.
To everyone saying "religion is the reason for most wars and problems" , well to you i have to say it's people who don't follow their religion properly who are responsible for this. If people followed their religion the way it was asked the off we would not have these problems!
@LeanOnUs so killing people who work on sunday, killing non believers? you think people should follow their religion properly so it doesnt start wars? yeah killing people for a pathetic reason would not accomplish that would it
@LeanOnUs even the religions that tell the believers to kill the non-believers? you'd be surprised how many do; it's not just islam.
no, religion isn't the only reason, but it has caused many of the world's problems and has a negative effect on society. it also teaches us to believe blindly instead of thinking rationally.
@me25422 No disrespect. But it's not impossible for there to be a religion without a deity. Any set of and traditions and practices based around a belief that has not, or cannot, be proven can be regarded as a religion.
I am an atheist and atheism is simply the rejection in the belief of god. Note though that most people become atheists on the basis of skepticism and a desire for proof. This would then set them apart from buddhists.
@richd506 No disrespect. lol. Di you mean to say "its not POSSIBLE for there to be a religion..." But anyway I simply stated a FACT. Many buddhists do not need a belief in God. I dont know what point you are trying to make. Do you disagree with this fact?
@me25422 To be Pedantic, Buddhism is nontheistic, and those that follow it can be atheistic, or igtheist, or theist if the want to. But it does require faith, both in general, and it specifically calls upon it's followers to do so.
@me25422 Depending on what type of Buddhism you believe, you accept certain things which are untestable, this is faith.
If you believe in the soul, karma, rebirth, transcendance/ascendance as a location.
If ou follow the teachings of the Buddha or his disciples, you arequired to have faith, if you want, I cant put citations for where they say that, for example, faith is one of the four cornerstones of their belief.
@Jagjamin Okay but many buddhists do not make any supernatural claims such as reincarnation etc. Some do however but it is not required. For example Mahayana Buddhists need no belief in the supernatural. They are not concerned with these things.
@me25422 I didn't say belief in a deity, I said faith.
If you've read the Pali suttas, you'll be aware that Saddha is one of the seven dhanas. It is one of the bases of our spiritual power. It is also one of the five indriyas.
Ananda and Vakali both show that faith is more important to Buddhism than objective reasoning.
In short, Faith is found throughout all of Buddhism, in it's writings and it's teachings, to say Buddhism does not require of you faith, is nonsense.
@LeanOnUs then it asks you to follow something else blindly. if it didn't, it would actually have some evidence to offer, and it wouldn't make such a big deal of faith.
You are SO right. People DONT folloow their religions the way they were asked to & things would be much better if they did. We should have slavery & commit genocide on our rivals, take their land & rape their virgins when god says so. We should also stone unruly children. And modern medicine is a loss of faith. Why should we go to doctors? WHy not just pray for health like only a few parents do? If the children die,it was god's will.
I was going to tell Fred to maybe pray to find an Athiest to deal with rather than go through such pain of searching for one. While you're at it maybe you might want to create a black and white phone book for people who want to only deal with black people or white people... Really lowering the flavor of this program, which I thought was about prayer? Prayers will be answered if they are HIS will. I dare you to read "God without religion". We may have two fewer Athiests sitting at this table.
@nedded41 The same concept could be applied to religious people. A world without religious churches, mosques, Religions, etcs. I can say for sure that there would be far more atheists in that situation than theists.
@iTrollThis I couldn't agree more! That's why I said read "God without religion" I think the opposite though, in-a-way... I think there would be more of relationships to God than ever before. Religion should not take away the greatness of a relationship with Christ. There are and should never be RULES to loving Christ. He went against this in the New Testament, but we seem to over look that, and tithing, they got that so wrong!Jesus is only a breath away. Don't forget that in the end
People cling to religion in the hope of an afterlife, immersing themselves in the delusion that your own existence is not extinct when we become deceased.
Prayer really does work. Once I prayed really hard to travel through time, and when I finished I found I'd been thrust almost minutes into the future. That's why I don't pray anymore. I don't want to waste what time I've still got left. I suppose it's a bit like atheism in that respect. Basically, Jesus wants me to be an atheist. Who am I to argue with him?
I will pray for all who dont beleve :) ...but God will put things in your life to soften your hard heart in perfect timing so that you will be ready to believe when you hear...and in time you will understand...the same with the Jews leaving Egypt...they didnt have to kill the Egyptians...they walked out..and you have to be willing to be saved...God wont force you.
In that story God murdered first born children to force Pharoah (after hardening his heart?!) to let the Jews go. Also, I do not wish to be 'saved' by a deity who has lower moral standards than myself.
@UnadvisableCloud In the myth, god killed ALL the first born of Egypt, all the cattle and horses, and the army and chariots (that somehow also had horses which should have been dead) when the Reed Sea collapsed.
I was speaking to a christian that mentioned that her brother was 'depressed' and that she and her mom were praying for him...so I suggested some natural and allopathic remedies choices to deal with it...she said that the prayer was enough...So I retorted that if you had diabetes, you'd do more than pray to deal with it...and she implied that you couldn't know if it was prayer or the meds that worked...So I said, "You could worship Satan and the drugs would still work - Faith is not required!!"
@Pentagon1337 which leads me to ask, if god's ways are so mysterious, why praise him for them? you don't even know what they are! those ways which are a mystery to you may reveal god to be the biggest dick ever imagined.
these people imagine god is good no matter what. but god cannot be called good if he lacks the capacity, even potentially, to be bad or at fault for anything.
it's not just the logic of prayer; it's the way they approach their whole religion.
I'm sorry, but Russell and Don are a terrible combination of hosts. They're too nice! You can totally tell that they wanna say, "You're crazy what are you talking about?" and while they are sitting their saying, "Uh, we should move on to other callers" I'm sitting here thinking, "Oh come on, Matt would be beating the shit out of these people with a logic stick right now."
People sated with themselves are so because of their hunger for something else.They are therefore hungry.Those who turn back from wrong doing, they are the ones who are at prayer; not those who merely seem to bend in prayer.Prayer is an activity.
@acceptjesusorburn Biblical innerancy is a core issue to many christians. To those it is not, I ask how do you know which parts of the bible are in error and which are not?
From the study you cited. The doctor that ran it *Byrd) admitted his statisitcal analysis was of limited value, he orignally claimed 21 out of 26 patients responded, but in reality it was 3 out of 26. He also failed to control for pre existing conditions. The prayed for ones needed more medicine for heart pain (continued)
@narco73 (continued) the prayed for group needed more readmissions to coronary care, four times the number of pacemakers. Even though the prayers were for "rapid recovery and preventions of complications and death" the study found no significant difference between the groups in length of stay, nor the number of deaths.
Are you @acceptjesusorburn open minded enough to admit that this study did NOT find that prayer was effective?
Religion and prayer have been proven illogical and improbable long time ago. It seems like a rehash of the old "shit" :) On the other hand, it´s needed, considering the short memory of christians. They just don´t seem to understand, regardless of HOW MANY TIMES WE PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE!!! Christians are by def stupid and of low IQ, PERIOD!!! See you in the next vid, just to repeat the same shit all over again;)
3:50 For years, I've been using those bible verses to illustrate the inconsistency between Jesus' words and the experience of believers. I'm with you 100% in this argument.
It may be what you consider bullshit but it in INTERESTING how these results can be reproduced using various mediums. It goes completely against conventional cause and effect logic. New questions must be met with an open mind rather than one which is limiting. It doesn't have to by MYSTICAL if it is unknown.
finally check mate religion, mauro biglino, a former translater for the vatican, has translated the original old testament without bastardizing it, like the one you guys read which is from around 700ad.
your god is fake (in a way lol) and the original writings from YOUR book prove it.
nothing you say can change what has been translated, you have been lied to.
thumbs up so all religious people with an ounce of intellect can see for themselves
i heard god talk to me tonight ....do you believe that i did ..if not why not ..am i mentally ill ...or do you believe god can talk to me directly if not ..why is that , what makes me less able to talk to god directly than someone 2000 years ago ..
@futureorreligion Yes and No I understand it but its almost hypocritical because we criticize community's and individuals about out casting atheist for example small business owners that have to close up shop because they're out atheist or they can't be out and have to live a lie
when i look back at church, i realized that all i ever did was stare at people's butts, and wonder about things. I never listened to the priest for 15 years! Not once! HIs voice had a deep staleness that induced my mind to think of something else. All I ever heard was 'blah blah blah, amen, blah blah blah, our lord and father, blah blah blah, forgiveness, blah blah blah"
You don't have to prove God isn't involved when he's not required, in fact he can still be involved even if he's not required. However, you DO need God to be involved if he IS required, and you need to show he IS involved, or any statement saying he is required cannot be backed up.
This is a follow up to my other comment. Actually prayer and belief in an external power to intervein in the affairs of man is a destructive and harmful belief. It is harmful because man and man alone is responsible for the state of the world and only man and man alone has the power to change things. To believe in these things relieves us of the responsibilty to step up and address these issues ourselves.
No, no, no. Separation of church and state is not about fairness to all regions, neither about protecting religious minorities. It is about keeping the government secular.
Atheists stop complaining about being offended by religious symbols. That is not we care about.
@ganggan the point of having a secular government is to protect the rights and religious freedom of religious minorities and therefore of everyone. a secular government is not a goal unto itself. a secular government is the best way to ensure and protect freedom. that's the point.
other than that i think i agree with you about the symbology stuff. although there is a slippery slope.
Here's a fun one...Your an old fragile lady in a crowd of people. A man begins to brutally beat you. Would you rather the rest of the people in the crowd to be true atheist or true Christian.
Wow.. Fred is quite the bigot.. I agree with Russel, it's obnoxious for Xians to only want to do business with Xians. But it goes the other way as well. What someone's religion is doesn't always have to do with who they are as a person.. Sure, in most cases Xians are also bad people because of beliefs that come with their Xianity, but you can't just apply that to all of them. That's as bad as comparing atheists to Stalon..
I am kind of an odd atheist. I don't believe in a God, but I do believe that our consciousness does go back into the fabric of the universe when we die. I think it is purely a scientific thing and it has nothing to do with a creator. I don't believe that any God created the consciousness that we all have. I also think religion and prayer is good for some people and it can even benefit society as a whole to a certain extent. But you will never see me participating in it.
He sounds more like a pantheist.. Almost.. Deists believe that a god created the universe, (usually via big bang) set everything into motion, but no longer interferes with the universe.
Pantheists believe that the universe is all one being, but they usually consider it a god. (NMV) He may not be a pantheist, but it may be something he would be interested in if he learned about it.
@burnindownthehouse This should put down your optimism :) /watch?v=4Oh947g4zvg also there is a negative correlation showing that the more religious a society is the worse its societal health is. id say that prayer helps no one except the person praying. if you want to say that the person who recently prayed is in a better mood and that in turn benefits the people they interact with. i might buy it. but it still seems far fetched. prayer is always asking for something. how is that beneficial?
@burnindownthehouse well, your statement does make some sense(unline most religous zelots) energy cannot be destroy,so therefore when you die the energy has to go somewhere,so joining with the universe makes more sense than going to hevean
As an atheist with aspergers I can tell you, my resistance and I_don't_give_a_fuckery regarding social pressure did play a role in my ability to reject the idiocy of religion
Hey all, just want to ask for help if any of you knew someone in international human rights organizations. My friend in Indonesia is in danger from prison, losing his job, and even death just because he declared that he's an ex-muslim atheist in facebook. Now he's in custody of police and is facing 5 years of prison sentence. Just find the news in google news, search for indonesian atheist charged with blasphemy law. Thanks.
One more potentially harmful thing about prayer (I don't think you mentioned this):
I can lead people to making stupid decisions: "God, this is what I'm planning to do. I'm not sure if it's a good idea, so I'm bringing it to you, and putting it in your hands. If you don't get back to me on this, I'm going to take it as approval from you. Amen."
OK you may not believe in a "god" but to say you dont believe that things dont affect one another in nature is total denial. Your OVER skepticism and criticism has gotten you to the point to even deny science. Nature is obviously interdependent. Dont fall into a trap of being as dogmatic as theist. If you want to close the door , lock it and seal it, fine but perhaps you should crack it open a bit to get some fresh air and take a peak.
They didnt deny that nature is interdependent, what they did deny is "how" nature is interdependent. Nature interacts with everything in it, but a "thought" or state of being within yourself has no affect on anything outside of yourself. So whereas the caller believed that her prayers & meditation somehow had an affect on the rest of the world, it is false.
I asked a christian friend to pray to his holy spirit to give him the correct words as to convert me , ah well he no longer wants to converse w/me ? guess thats the answer he received from his fantasyland mind ! birds of a feather flock together as flies to shit !
@flexbrat Well, in Christian view, the words are already out there. They are in the Bible. God can't force you to believe. He can't put a spell on you and make you, or manipulate you. If the Gospel is not enough, then that's the limit of God's intervention.
@topperheartramada "He can't put a spell on you and make you, or manipulate you. "
According to bible mythology, Yahweh does manipulate people - often by killing those close to those he wants to manipulate (like King David), but sometimes with direct 'magic', like when he 'hardened the pharaoh's heart'.
@TheHigherVoltage well i never said christianity made sense. but it's the standard understanding. obviously no christian principle exists that isn't broken in some way. christianity is contradictory every step of the way.
@topperheartramada I'm not arguing, I just wanted to point out that 'standard understanding' is usually in direct contradiction to what the myths actually say...but it seems you already know. :)
@TheHigherVoltage it seems to me that most christians insist on the idea of free will and god not influencing our judgment in moral issues. of course it is problematic, but that's what they argue for.
@topperheartramada That's one side of bible DoubleThink Christians argue for. The other side is 'everything happens according to biblegod's will, and his divine plan. we can't change anything. (predestination)'...and....'it's not up to us to choose biblegod, but for biblegod to choose us (predetermination) and give us the 'gift' of faith.'
Even though both these bible beliefs are in direct irreconcilable contradiction with free will.
@TheHigherVoltage I stopped asking perfectly logical questions about Christianity a long time ago. For instance, let's say prayer works. You pray that your football team wins. And god makes it so. First, would he not have to make the other team lose, i.e. restrict their free will? Second, if both teams are praying, how would god make up his mind? Almost every prayer implies that other people be made to do certain things, and often to fail at what they are doing.
@topperheartramada I've read the words of the bible, and I am not convinced. I have studied the bible and found that is NOT inerrant; in fact, it has thousands of contradictions and false interpretations of currently understood phenomena. The bible was written by man, and if it were divinely inspired, would not contain the errors that it does. Regardless, from a historical standpoint, the divine events that are purported to have occurred in the bible most likely did not occur that way.
prayer didnt help the millions of jews or any of those killed throughout time , they are dead ! mental disorders of the religious and their fantasyland only ! the harm in prayer is that ppl need to wake up from bullshit and live their lives in REALITY !
When I was growing up as a Christian, I used to pray for all kinds of things... strangely, the combined disappointment of so many thousands of completely unanswered prayers didn't make me "lose my faith" ... it wasn't until after I became an atheist through actually thinking about the subjects that I even realised not a single one of my prayers was ever answered.
@ minute 36 I would've liked it if they went into this topic more at depth. Something along the lines of "Because we are fallible, we require a common ground on which to assert and prove things, and skepticism and rational thinking provide just such a ground, with exceptionally good results."
That Jay caller was nothing more than a self-promoting turd, simply revolving around the idea of "I think this" and "I think that". It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT SHE THINKS. What matters is what she can prove.
Ital21 1 day ago
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Great page for atheists... go here and see all the contradictions in the Bible and how many times it is wrong. Dare to read. Amazingbibledotorg
spiegeltn 2 weeks ago
Sorry I don't understand "Talking-in-circles.".
1976cyclist 3 weeks ago
@1976cyclist So, if it's not possible to prove non-existence of god, gods, aliens, leprechauns, or unicorns. It certainly does not mean that in fact they do exist. Existence has to be proven not non-existence.
1991stratplus 1 week ago
Honest question ok. What proof is there that there is "no God"?? Would like to know.
1976cyclist 3 weeks ago
@1976cyclist
- "Honest question ok. What proof is there that there is 'no God'?? Would like to know."
What proof is there that there is "no Cow and Chicken"?
Do you see what I did there? You are mixing up gods in general, the Christian god God and a "no God".
You can't prove a negative, so it's hard to prove that there couldn't be a god somewhere. However, disproving the existence of God is possible, depending on how people define their "God" and what attributes that specific god has.
TheAtheistExperience 3 weeks ago 5
@1976cyclist What proof is there that there is no Bigfoot is the most important question ... or aliens, or leprechauns, or unicorns.
auroraman56 2 weeks ago
@1976cyclist tell me how do u prove that something doesn't exist if it doesn't exist......... just because u have an idea it doesn't make it real
tavogp 1 week ago
@1976cyclist get this ok Atheists are just a denial from a belief. we are not trying to disprove it if you dont bring us enough prof or that is even stable AND NOT from the BIBLE ITS A BOK GET it.
emilgard321 1 day ago
about the autism/atheism, study
it looked at 192 posters on an autism website (wrongplanetdotnet)+61surveys from responders to online posts.
non-representative sample, self-reported diagnosis for autism, religious beliefs determined from posts (93% reliability). i call bullshit.
any turd can be polished, like this other famous example of wasted paper: Tan M, Jones G, Zhu G, Ye J, Hong T, et al. (2009) Fellatio by Fruit Bats Prolongs Copulation Time.
castelgandalf 3 weeks ago
Lol, not relevant to anything, but turn on the closed captioning beta while the guy from Dublin, Ireland is talking.
MrSilverside2002 4 weeks ago
If payer worked, christians wouldn't need be christians because they wouldn't need faith. Their purpose on earth would be defeated. They would go back to being an isignificant speck of fucking dust in this vast universe.
InsanityComplex1 4 weeks ago
prayer just shit in a hand bag lol
flexbrat 1 month ago
"Forgive them father, for they clearly know not what they are doing. Have you seen the dovetailing on this cross? It's shocking. I'd be embarrased to call it a plank, never mind a cross. Quite frankly I'd expected a lot more from the Roman Empire. I'm not talking Chippendale quality, but seriously, would a straight edge have been out of the question? A little sandpaper maybe? I'm just thankful I wasn't a plumber. They'd probably have shoved my head down a Bethlehem khazi.
TheRealBoroNut 1 month ago
prayer is basically meditation.....or talking to ones self.........science and reality are my religion
rextrek 1 month ago
@rextrek
Actually, most prayer is the act of asking an imaginary friend for favors.
Numinous123 1 month ago
49:00 thats what i think to!
sendvic12 1 month ago
loool i love fred
jhibbitt1 1 month ago
to be a good atheist, you must read the Bible!
well if you live in the Americas
vivofelizasi 1 month ago
@vivofelizasi
No. That's not really necessary. You just don't have to believe in a god or gods.
Numinous123 1 month ago
@Numinous123 I did not mean morally, I am ex catholic, what I meant was for the lies found in any fictional story
vivofelizasi 1 month ago
Atheists: 999497594576307423576094234796439485345976430294750694723407602348237
Theists: -3
dopeasfuckk 1 month ago
To everyone saying "religion is the reason for most wars and problems" , well to you i have to say it's people who don't follow their religion properly who are responsible for this. If people followed their religion the way it was asked the off we would not have these problems!
LeanOnUs 1 month ago
@LeanOnUs so killing people who work on sunday, killing non believers? you think people should follow their religion properly so it doesnt start wars? yeah killing people for a pathetic reason would not accomplish that would it
TehFoo1 1 month ago
@LeanOnUs even the religions that tell the believers to kill the non-believers? you'd be surprised how many do; it's not just islam.
no, religion isn't the only reason, but it has caused many of the world's problems and has a negative effect on society. it also teaches us to believe blindly instead of thinking rationally.
doaftheloaf 1 month ago
@doaftheloaf Not fair to say religion teaches us to follow something blindly. It actually warns of following something blindly.
LeanOnUs 1 month ago
@LeanOnUs what religion besides Buddhism does not rely on faith?
me25422 1 month ago
@me25422 Buddhism relies on faith, I don't know where you got the idea that it doesn't.
Jagjamin 1 month ago
@Jagjamin well, many buddhists are atheist. What aspect then does it rely on faith?
me25422 1 month ago
@me25422 No disrespect. But it's not impossible for there to be a religion without a deity. Any set of and traditions and practices based around a belief that has not, or cannot, be proven can be regarded as a religion.
I am an atheist and atheism is simply the rejection in the belief of god. Note though that most people become atheists on the basis of skepticism and a desire for proof. This would then set them apart from buddhists.
richd506 1 month ago
@richd506 No disrespect. lol. Di you mean to say "its not POSSIBLE for there to be a religion..." But anyway I simply stated a FACT. Many buddhists do not need a belief in God. I dont know what point you are trying to make. Do you disagree with this fact?
me25422 1 month ago
@me25422 To be Pedantic, Buddhism is nontheistic, and those that follow it can be atheistic, or igtheist, or theist if the want to. But it does require faith, both in general, and it specifically calls upon it's followers to do so.
Jagjamin 1 month ago
@Jagjamin What aspect of Buddhism requires faith? I am very much interested in Buddhism. I am not however interested in faith.
me25422 1 month ago
@me25422 Depending on what type of Buddhism you believe, you accept certain things which are untestable, this is faith.
If you believe in the soul, karma, rebirth, transcendance/ascendance as a location.
If ou follow the teachings of the Buddha or his disciples, you arequired to have faith, if you want, I cant put citations for where they say that, for example, faith is one of the four cornerstones of their belief.
Jagjamin 4 weeks ago
@Jagjamin Okay but many buddhists do not make any supernatural claims such as reincarnation etc. Some do however but it is not required. For example Mahayana Buddhists need no belief in the supernatural. They are not concerned with these things.
me25422 4 weeks ago
@me25422 Exactly. Some Buddhist Priests are more like guidance counselors or philosophers than religious leaders. Of course that's not all the time.
TheYouthHeroic 3 weeks ago
@me25422 I didn't say belief in a deity, I said faith.
If you've read the Pali suttas, you'll be aware that Saddha is one of the seven dhanas. It is one of the bases of our spiritual power. It is also one of the five indriyas.
Ananda and Vakali both show that faith is more important to Buddhism than objective reasoning.
In short, Faith is found throughout all of Buddhism, in it's writings and it's teachings, to say Buddhism does not require of you faith, is nonsense.
Jagjamin 1 month ago
@LeanOnUs then it asks you to follow something else blindly. if it didn't, it would actually have some evidence to offer, and it wouldn't make such a big deal of faith.
doaftheloaf 4 weeks ago
@LeanOnUs
You are SO right. People DONT folloow their religions the way they were asked to & things would be much better if they did. We should have slavery & commit genocide on our rivals, take their land & rape their virgins when god says so. We should also stone unruly children. And modern medicine is a loss of faith. Why should we go to doctors? WHy not just pray for health like only a few parents do? If the children die,it was god's will.
88Keyz101 1 month ago
I was going to tell Fred to maybe pray to find an Athiest to deal with rather than go through such pain of searching for one. While you're at it maybe you might want to create a black and white phone book for people who want to only deal with black people or white people... Really lowering the flavor of this program, which I thought was about prayer? Prayers will be answered if they are HIS will. I dare you to read "God without religion". We may have two fewer Athiests sitting at this table.
nedded41 1 month ago
@nedded41 The same concept could be applied to religious people. A world without religious churches, mosques, Religions, etcs. I can say for sure that there would be far more atheists in that situation than theists.
iTrollThis 1 month ago
@iTrollThis I couldn't agree more! That's why I said read "God without religion" I think the opposite though, in-a-way... I think there would be more of relationships to God than ever before. Religion should not take away the greatness of a relationship with Christ. There are and should never be RULES to loving Christ. He went against this in the New Testament, but we seem to over look that, and tithing, they got that so wrong!Jesus is only a breath away. Don't forget that in the end
nedded41 1 month ago
People cling to religion in the hope of an afterlife, immersing themselves in the delusion that your own existence is not extinct when we become deceased.
GalaxyShift 1 month ago
Jay: "...PERAYEAH..."
Me: *cuts off ears*
NukedWaffle 1 month ago
Prayer really does work. Once I prayed really hard to travel through time, and when I finished I found I'd been thrust almost minutes into the future. That's why I don't pray anymore. I don't want to waste what time I've still got left. I suppose it's a bit like atheism in that respect. Basically, Jesus wants me to be an atheist. Who am I to argue with him?
TheRealBoroNut 1 month ago
I have to say that while I enjoy Matt like anyone else, I love hearing other people who don't hog the conversation so much.
The other hosts have a lot of good points to make and I'm glad that I can hear them since Matt's not there. Love ya Matt but you're a ballhog
2eelShmeal 1 month ago
Do people actually show up for dinner?
tab2522 1 month ago
@ludogogo and why are you telling me this?
topperheartramada 1 month ago
@ludogogo The dude said that all Christians want Atheists to convert. I'm objecting to that statement. Not sure how that misses the point.
danielhmanning 1 month ago
Meditation /= Prayer
ludogogo 1 month ago
Prayer works for people who want to feel good about themselves without actually doing anything helpful.
ObakeOnna 1 month ago
Jay from Tampa, FL has a sexy voice/laugh =)
chessdawgz 1 month ago
A lot of wingnut callers this week
DeePhlat 1 month ago
If prayer worked, every football team would win every game. Every beauty contestant would win every pageant. Every...well you get the picture.
Brenda2OOO 1 month ago
Why would I ever care if these guys convert? A bit presumptuous, no?
danielhmanning 1 month ago
@danielhmanning You've missed the point
ludogogo 1 month ago
I will pray for all who dont beleve :) ...but God will put things in your life to soften your hard heart in perfect timing so that you will be ready to believe when you hear...and in time you will understand...the same with the Jews leaving Egypt...they didnt have to kill the Egyptians...they walked out..and you have to be willing to be saved...God wont force you.
UnadvisableCloud 1 month ago
@UnadvisableCloud
In that story God murdered first born children to force Pharoah (after hardening his heart?!) to let the Jews go. Also, I do not wish to be 'saved' by a deity who has lower moral standards than myself.
beckybecky82 1 month ago 21
@beckybecky82 lol thats why you gotta be just as evil as him
linkforever92 3 weeks ago
@UnadvisableCloud In the myth, god killed ALL the first born of Egypt, all the cattle and horses, and the army and chariots (that somehow also had horses which should have been dead) when the Reed Sea collapsed.
DeePhlat 1 month ago
@UnadvisableCloud What if I don't need God in my life to feel complete?
ludogogo 1 month ago
two hands working will accomplish more than a thousand clasped in prayer
napalmrain666 1 month ago
I was speaking to a christian that mentioned that her brother was 'depressed' and that she and her mom were praying for him...so I suggested some natural and allopathic remedies choices to deal with it...she said that the prayer was enough...So I retorted that if you had diabetes, you'd do more than pray to deal with it...and she implied that you couldn't know if it was prayer or the meds that worked...So I said, "You could worship Satan and the drugs would still work - Faith is not required!!"
drfitnessnow 1 month ago 3
Here is the logic of prayer:
Pray. Did it work? ----> Yes. --> Praise the Lord!
Pray. Did it work? ----> No. --> God works in mysterious ways.
Fuck religion. -.-
Pentagon1337 1 month ago 72
@Pentagon1337 which leads me to ask, if god's ways are so mysterious, why praise him for them? you don't even know what they are! those ways which are a mystery to you may reveal god to be the biggest dick ever imagined.
these people imagine god is good no matter what. but god cannot be called good if he lacks the capacity, even potentially, to be bad or at fault for anything.
it's not just the logic of prayer; it's the way they approach their whole religion.
doaftheloaf 1 month ago 6
@doaftheloaf Another good way to sum it up :P l think this deserves a thumbs up as well.
Pentagon1337 1 month ago
@Pentagon1337 prayer does not work in emergency rooms, only human
vivofelizasi 1 month ago
@vivofelizasi Uhm...prayer doesn't work at all. Period.
Pentagon1337 1 month ago
@Pentagon1337 thank you for my new status
GOMLrandom 1 month ago
@GOMLrandom You're welcome l guess xD
Pentagon1337 1 month ago
@VeritasLuxMea100 its in my shoes
MrPocketmouse 1 month ago
"Let's face it; God has a big ego problem. Why do we always have to worship him?" -bill maher
jameshard100 1 month ago 2
I'm sorry, but Russell and Don are a terrible combination of hosts. They're too nice! You can totally tell that they wanna say, "You're crazy what are you talking about?" and while they are sitting their saying, "Uh, we should move on to other callers" I'm sitting here thinking, "Oh come on, Matt would be beating the shit out of these people with a logic stick right now."
zippythewildone 1 month ago 2
@zippythewildone LMFAO logic stick ha ha I totally agree, either Matt or Jeff would totally trounce those callers!
VeritasLuxMea100 1 month ago
thank god i'm an atheist!!
johnc0008 1 month ago 22
All that Russell is missing is a Star trek monogram on his shirt. amidoinitrite?
Dammit Jim . . I'm an Atheist, not a creotard!
pumpstations 1 month ago
@pumpstations
lol.....creotard!!! hahahahaha!
calvintoronto 1 month ago
People sated with themselves are so because of their hunger for something else.They are therefore hungry.Those who turn back from wrong doing, they are the ones who are at prayer; not those who merely seem to bend in prayer.Prayer is an activity.
---Sanai, Hadiqa
bozolazic 1 month ago
Godless Bitches Rule the Pagan Cock!
me25422 1 month ago
If prayer worked, there would've been a 5th season of FARSCAPE.
TomMSTie1138 1 month ago 2
@TomMSTie1138 and FOX would not have cancelled Serenity/Firefly. meh
NaomiSlverflame 1 month ago
@NaomiSlverflame No, that's proof that the Devil answers prayers!
(rubs hands together fiendishly).
TomMSTie1138 1 month ago
tax the fckn churches since they stick their damn noses into politics ! either seperation of church an state 100% or tax the fckn hell out of them !
flexbrat 1 month ago in playlist The Atheist Experience 3
Sweet, the opening song sounds less obnoxious
fegu 1 month ago
a lot of "WTF is this person going on about" calls this episode
kartikvenkat 1 month ago
I miss the callers who try to prove god
ezelouie 1 month ago 29
@ezelouie Trees. YOU CANT EXPLAIN THAT
LCButcher333 1 month ago
@LCButcher333
"But, just look at the TREES!!" ---- Best argument from most theists when questioned.
YetAnotherInfidel 1 month ago
@ezelouie i guess they ran out of arguments!
me25422 1 month ago
Russell, please sit up straight and stop hunching over, clutching your elbows like an earlier primate.
Brenda2OOO 1 month ago
you guys have no idea about life outside Texas.
Normankay 1 month ago
I think Russel is gaining weight.
Pirwzwhomper 1 month ago
She believes in the Force.
Kraeten 1 month ago
russell looks so creepy at the beginning if each episode...
MrHollywood1717 1 month ago
you know...an open mind isn't open anymore after it's closed on an idea to accept and teach as truth.
mackles 1 month ago
@acceptjesusorburn Biblical innerancy is a core issue to many christians. To those it is not, I ask how do you know which parts of the bible are in error and which are not?
From the study you cited. The doctor that ran it *Byrd) admitted his statisitcal analysis was of limited value, he orignally claimed 21 out of 26 patients responded, but in reality it was 3 out of 26. He also failed to control for pre existing conditions. The prayed for ones needed more medicine for heart pain (continued)
narco73 1 month ago
@narco73 (continued) the prayed for group needed more readmissions to coronary care, four times the number of pacemakers. Even though the prayers were for "rapid recovery and preventions of complications and death" the study found no significant difference between the groups in length of stay, nor the number of deaths.
Are you @acceptjesusorburn open minded enough to admit that this study did NOT find that prayer was effective?
narco73 1 month ago
Religion and prayer have been proven illogical and improbable long time ago. It seems like a rehash of the old "shit" :) On the other hand, it´s needed, considering the short memory of christians. They just don´t seem to understand, regardless of HOW MANY TIMES WE PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE!!! Christians are by def stupid and of low IQ, PERIOD!!! See you in the next vid, just to repeat the same shit all over again;)
armelix73 1 month ago
Jesus actually used up all his daily magic on the prior 49er game... so Timmy was left to play with his own inferior team & skills.
AscendingParadigm 1 month ago
3:50 For years, I've been using those bible verses to illustrate the inconsistency between Jesus' words and the experience of believers. I'm with you 100% in this argument.
AscendingParadigm 1 month ago
It may be what you consider bullshit but it in INTERESTING how these results can be reproduced using various mediums. It goes completely against conventional cause and effect logic. New questions must be met with an open mind rather than one which is limiting. It doesn't have to by MYSTICAL if it is unknown.
MymaJyma 1 month ago
i really feel bad for you guys...like really...so sad....open your eyes
XXmanik 1 month ago
I wish Silent Bob had called instead...
NativeAlternative 1 month ago
finally check mate religion, mauro biglino, a former translater for the vatican, has translated the original old testament without bastardizing it, like the one you guys read which is from around 700ad.
your god is fake (in a way lol) and the original writings from YOUR book prove it.
nothing you say can change what has been translated, you have been lied to.
thumbs up so all religious people with an ounce of intellect can see for themselves
TehFoo1 1 month ago 29
@TehFoo1 sadly, i dont think this will make as big as a difference as it should :/
callmesmorz 1 month ago
@TheTazzietiger
if you believe an external invisible force, whatever you call it, is talking to you, and no one else sees it, rumor has it you're a schizophrenic.
TAXEXEMPTION 1 month ago
@TAXEXEMPTION
Rumor has it you're an idiot. Quick tip read the entire comment before replying he/she is OBVIOUSLY not saying what you're implying.
Leadman1989 1 month ago
i heard god talk to me tonight ....do you believe that i did ..if not why not ..am i mentally ill ...or do you believe god can talk to me directly if not ..why is that , what makes me less able to talk to god directly than someone 2000 years ago ..
TheTazzietiger 1 month ago
@TheTazzietiger funny thing is im a atheist , my comment is a rhetorical question .to theists ,
TheTazzietiger 1 month ago
nice you dont get pagans very often
iammikeywright 1 month ago
4:16 "Move mountains with your voice." Sounds a lot like the Thu'um.
NoNamesLeft0102 1 month ago
Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus. It has nothing to do with religion.
(lol jk)
Barbershop666 1 month ago
Faith can't move mountains, but it sure can shift those skyscrapers.
Ozzyman200 1 month ago
moving mountains with one's voice?
Sounds like Thu'um
Oblivionic 1 month ago 24
@Oblivionic Talos! Praise to him!
pythor2 1 month ago
@Oblivionic Then does that mean we have to follow the teachings in Skyrim?
I'm down with that. :)
ultramatuxen 1 month ago
@futureorreligion Yes and No I understand it but its almost hypocritical because we criticize community's and individuals about out casting atheist for example small business owners that have to close up shop because they're out atheist or they can't be out and have to live a lie
TinaLamb2007 1 month ago
I call it "wishful thinking"
AntonTheSpot 1 month ago
Till this day if I'm doing critical thinking, I seek out someone's ass to stare at.
roush26 1 month ago
when i look back at church, i realized that all i ever did was stare at people's butts, and wonder about things. I never listened to the priest for 15 years! Not once! HIs voice had a deep staleness that induced my mind to think of something else. All I ever heard was 'blah blah blah, amen, blah blah blah, our lord and father, blah blah blah, forgiveness, blah blah blah"
roush26 1 month ago
@roush26 me too..lol
AntonTheSpot 1 month ago
No, that's not what a homonym is.
Episode 744: Misguided Callers
tctheunbeliever 1 month ago
You don't have to prove God isn't involved when he's not required, in fact he can still be involved even if he's not required. However, you DO need God to be involved if he IS required, and you need to show he IS involved, or any statement saying he is required cannot be backed up.
TheOJDrinker 1 month ago
Move mountains with your voice?
maybe if i shout Fus Ro Dah!
LordReynard 1 month ago
This is a follow up to my other comment. Actually prayer and belief in an external power to intervein in the affairs of man is a destructive and harmful belief. It is harmful because man and man alone is responsible for the state of the world and only man and man alone has the power to change things. To believe in these things relieves us of the responsibilty to step up and address these issues ourselves.
firearmsdefense 1 month ago
All things are possible when you have faith, but only if it's God's Will, and only after you have done your part, and only if ya got the bucks.
Dr. Robert Schuller
firearmsdefense 1 month ago
No, no, no. Separation of church and state is not about fairness to all regions, neither about protecting religious minorities. It is about keeping the government secular.
Atheists stop complaining about being offended by religious symbols. That is not we care about.
ganggan 1 month ago
@ganggan the point of having a secular government is to protect the rights and religious freedom of religious minorities and therefore of everyone. a secular government is not a goal unto itself. a secular government is the best way to ensure and protect freedom. that's the point.
other than that i think i agree with you about the symbology stuff. although there is a slippery slope.
hardinmichael1981 1 month ago
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Here's a fun one...Your an old fragile lady in a crowd of people. A man begins to brutally beat you. Would you rather the rest of the people in the crowd to be true atheist or true Christian.
lowellkylewilliamson 1 month ago
Wow.. Fred is quite the bigot.. I agree with Russel, it's obnoxious for Xians to only want to do business with Xians. But it goes the other way as well. What someone's religion is doesn't always have to do with who they are as a person.. Sure, in most cases Xians are also bad people because of beliefs that come with their Xianity, but you can't just apply that to all of them. That's as bad as comparing atheists to Stalon..
Also, Buddhists ARE atheists. Just saying..
JesterAzazel 1 month ago
The furniture guy is probably making a joke of the church that did it the other way around.
bersaba 1 month ago
18:40 first caller
Brewhahh 1 month ago 19
I am kind of an odd atheist. I don't believe in a God, but I do believe that our consciousness does go back into the fabric of the universe when we die. I think it is purely a scientific thing and it has nothing to do with a creator. I don't believe that any God created the consciousness that we all have. I also think religion and prayer is good for some people and it can even benefit society as a whole to a certain extent. But you will never see me participating in it.
burnindownthehouse 1 month ago
@burnindownthehouse
"I think it is purely a scientific thing"
No if it was scientific you could provide evidence for this.
gorilla199uncensored 1 month ago
@burnindownthehouse And that is a perfectly ok belief to hold. There is however no evidence to support it.
Brewhahh 1 month ago
@burnindownthehouse
Your a deist, not an atheist.
bersaba 1 month ago
@bersaba
He sounds more like a pantheist.. Almost.. Deists believe that a god created the universe, (usually via big bang) set everything into motion, but no longer interferes with the universe.
Pantheists believe that the universe is all one being, but they usually consider it a god. (NMV) He may not be a pantheist, but it may be something he would be interested in if he learned about it.
JesterAzazel 1 month ago
@burnindownthehouse This should put down your optimism :) /watch?v=4Oh947g4zvg also there is a negative correlation showing that the more religious a society is the worse its societal health is. id say that prayer helps no one except the person praying. if you want to say that the person who recently prayed is in a better mood and that in turn benefits the people they interact with. i might buy it. but it still seems far fetched. prayer is always asking for something. how is that beneficial?
snoweyeball 1 month ago
@burnindownthehouse well, your statement does make some sense(unline most religous zelots) energy cannot be destroy,so therefore when you die the energy has to go somewhere,so joining with the universe makes more sense than going to hevean
jknightxx 1 month ago
Yes the callers here were heavy on the weed
MrDevilstreaker 1 month ago
that woman seemed to be incapable of thinking on her feet.
kotoroshinoto 1 month ago
Why the fuck do idiots call all the time?! I want to hear som debates elevated to my level :/
TheLordHodne 1 month ago
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@TheLordHodne
"Why the fuck do idiots call all the time?! I want to hear som debates elevated to my level :/"
Aint going to happen! How can you have intelligent debate from somone trying to pretend theres evidence for their imaginary god?
gorilla199uncensored 1 month ago
As an atheist with aspergers I can tell you, my resistance and I_don't_give_a_fuckery regarding social pressure did play a role in my ability to reject the idiocy of religion
kotoroshinoto 1 month ago
Its quite interesting that in the face of all of this evidence - why do people keep praying ? Its so odd
MrDevilstreaker 1 month ago
some people like to live in ignorance.....funny
NathanChristopher 1 month ago
WHERE ARE ALL THE THEISTS!?
antibulletdodger101 1 month ago
Hey all, just want to ask for help if any of you knew someone in international human rights organizations. My friend in Indonesia is in danger from prison, losing his job, and even death just because he declared that he's an ex-muslim atheist in facebook. Now he's in custody of police and is facing 5 years of prison sentence. Just find the news in google news, search for indonesian atheist charged with blasphemy law. Thanks.
BelajarEvolusi 1 month ago
One more potentially harmful thing about prayer (I don't think you mentioned this):
I can lead people to making stupid decisions: "God, this is what I'm planning to do. I'm not sure if it's a good idea, so I'm bringing it to you, and putting it in your hands. If you don't get back to me on this, I'm going to take it as approval from you. Amen."
xorthan 1 month ago
Prayer is just blowing smoke up your own Ass.
mosaicmaster1 1 month ago 6
Don and Matt are my favorite hosts.
superduperjew 1 month ago
OK you may not believe in a "god" but to say you dont believe that things dont affect one another in nature is total denial. Your OVER skepticism and criticism has gotten you to the point to even deny science. Nature is obviously interdependent. Dont fall into a trap of being as dogmatic as theist. If you want to close the door , lock it and seal it, fine but perhaps you should crack it open a bit to get some fresh air and take a peak.
ModernDeism 1 month ago
@ModernDeism
They didnt deny that nature is interdependent, what they did deny is "how" nature is interdependent. Nature interacts with everything in it, but a "thought" or state of being within yourself has no affect on anything outside of yourself. So whereas the caller believed that her prayers & meditation somehow had an affect on the rest of the world, it is false.
88Keyz101 1 month ago
@88Keyz101 words conceived and created most certainly affects us and others.
ModernDeism 1 month ago
@ModernDeism
I dont know how that remotely responds to my comment.
88Keyz101 1 month ago
I asked a christian friend to pray to his holy spirit to give him the correct words as to convert me , ah well he no longer wants to converse w/me ? guess thats the answer he received from his fantasyland mind ! birds of a feather flock together as flies to shit !
flexbrat 1 month ago
@flexbrat Well, in Christian view, the words are already out there. They are in the Bible. God can't force you to believe. He can't put a spell on you and make you, or manipulate you. If the Gospel is not enough, then that's the limit of God's intervention.
topperheartramada 1 month ago
@topperheartramada "He can't put a spell on you and make you, or manipulate you. "
According to bible mythology, Yahweh does manipulate people - often by killing those close to those he wants to manipulate (like King David), but sometimes with direct 'magic', like when he 'hardened the pharaoh's heart'.
Fortunately, it's only mythology.
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@TheHigherVoltage well i never said christianity made sense. but it's the standard understanding. obviously no christian principle exists that isn't broken in some way. christianity is contradictory every step of the way.
topperheartramada 1 month ago
@topperheartramada I'm not arguing, I just wanted to point out that 'standard understanding' is usually in direct contradiction to what the myths actually say...but it seems you already know. :)
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@TheHigherVoltage it seems to me that most christians insist on the idea of free will and god not influencing our judgment in moral issues. of course it is problematic, but that's what they argue for.
topperheartramada 1 month ago
@topperheartramada That's one side of bible DoubleThink Christians argue for. The other side is 'everything happens according to biblegod's will, and his divine plan. we can't change anything. (predestination)'...and....'it's not up to us to choose biblegod, but for biblegod to choose us (predetermination) and give us the 'gift' of faith.'
Even though both these bible beliefs are in direct irreconcilable contradiction with free will.
TheHigherVoltage 1 month ago
@TheHigherVoltage I stopped asking perfectly logical questions about Christianity a long time ago. For instance, let's say prayer works. You pray that your football team wins. And god makes it so. First, would he not have to make the other team lose, i.e. restrict their free will? Second, if both teams are praying, how would god make up his mind? Almost every prayer implies that other people be made to do certain things, and often to fail at what they are doing.
topperheartramada 1 month ago
@topperheartramada I've read the words of the bible, and I am not convinced. I have studied the bible and found that is NOT inerrant; in fact, it has thousands of contradictions and false interpretations of currently understood phenomena. The bible was written by man, and if it were divinely inspired, would not contain the errors that it does. Regardless, from a historical standpoint, the divine events that are purported to have occurred in the bible most likely did not occur that way.
ludogogo 1 month ago
@flexbrat Excellent point...!
ianjrivers 1 month ago
prayer didnt help the millions of jews or any of those killed throughout time , they are dead ! mental disorders of the religious and their fantasyland only ! the harm in prayer is that ppl need to wake up from bullshit and live their lives in REALITY !
flexbrat 1 month ago
fred sounds like Ed Rondthaler
MrTechnesium 1 month ago
When I was growing up as a Christian, I used to pray for all kinds of things... strangely, the combined disappointment of so many thousands of completely unanswered prayers didn't make me "lose my faith" ... it wasn't until after I became an atheist through actually thinking about the subjects that I even realised not a single one of my prayers was ever answered.
d4g0thur 1 month ago