Mark Driscoll - his Pervert Christ in sermons books podcast

[jackiebillkaulitz]

So I think Driscoll is mostly wrong. Driscoll could say Jesus was attracted to women but the attraction does not have to go any further! We don't need to lust. We don't need to daydream. We don't need to "want to take a woman to bed"! If I'm human and I've never wanted to go to bed with a man, why would Jesus want to? He had no relationship that bridged simple attraction to lust/want/temptation.

[jackiebillkaulitz]

I think the problem is the words being used. Did Jesus ever WANT to sleep with a woman? No. I'm a woman & I have never EVER WANTED or even gotten close to wanting to sleep with a man. Zero desire 'cuz I've never been in love or been intimate. Do I have normal human sexual interests that are weaker than WANTING to sleep with a man, such as a physical attraction to men? Yes. But WANT/TEMP is different from attraction. U wud nd relationship to bridge the two. So to say Jesus WANTED/TEMPTED is wrong

[rawsz4e]

How do you know reality is real?

[zebb1111]

you sir are lying about these mens position....you are antichrist though you probably dont even mean to be...you seem to be simply ignorant.

go give your last dollar to benny hinn or someone like that and leave the Godly alone.

[bones88ify]

Your full of balogni.

[RetiredAt18]

People really like u mr.AndrewcBain

[JesusNonEnviromental]

I agree brother, Jesus said that if a man lusts in his heart he is an adulterer so Driscoll thinks Jesus was an adulterer? There was no darkness in Christ that temptation would entice Him. This is basic doctrine. Brother, Im reading Andrew Farleys Book "The Naked Gospel" Any thoughts or rebukes?

[givemejesus1]

Andrew, God bless you, but you are putting words into Driscoll's mouth, plain and simple. Extremely divisive, and extremely poor scholarship. 

[mistamoon1]

Please remove this nonsense 

[daileydevotion]

Driscoll seems to contradict himself, I'm not exactly in agreement with everything Mr. Bain said. However, to say that Jesus "wanted to lay with women intimately", is completely heretical. Jesus may have been tempted to lust, but never ONCE DESIRED OR WANTED ANYTHING TO DO WITH SIN. Jesus could not have sinned, because He is God; God cannot sin. Jesus NEVER wanted the comfort of a woman, to say that is to say we are allowed to commit adultery in the heart and not be sinning...

[TheKJVberean]

Driscoll is a blasphemer!! He worships a different god, not the God of the bible. Heretic!

[MistyLove7]

Well it does say in the Bible Jesus was tempted and tested by Satan in the dessert, through all types of sins, but I don`t think Jesus would first and foremost have a desire for sex?...I am kind of shock and appalled by his statement...

[evewale]

well I will agree with one thing Driscoll did say that we need to distinguish the difference between temptation and sin. Lets put it this way God's standards are much higher than our own yet ppl like Driscoll always seems to bring his standards down to our level Jesus said Himself who ever looks upon a woman and lusts for her has committed adultery already in his heart. Lustful thoughts ARE SINFUL Jesus was without sin He resisted temptation including temptations of thoughts.

[kwarrior101]

jesus is not God...you need to go back to the begining

[Edentulate]

Id consider yourself relative to how many people dislike you. Perhaps you are so esoteric and take pride in being different. But most christians hearing what you are saying disagree with your slander of Mark Driscoll. YOu also do put words in Driscolls mouth. For example you say at 1:08 a Paraphrase of what you think Driscoll says not what he says or context. Belonging to part of acts 29 myself, i know the views you espouse him are wrong.

[TheBWministries]

mark driscoll is the best!! CHECK OUT OUR SERMON

[aslgrognerd]

Goober ... I'll pray for you. You need to repent of your lying. Perhaps that is to strong. Deliberate misconstruing is probably more apt. Ok lying.

[ramonaluiza]

I do not get the point of this video. Mark clearly states Jesus NEVER SINNED! Temptation is absolutely different than sin! We get tempted every single day, or at least I am, but not giving in to the temptation is what keeps us from sinning (by the Grace of God). What does the Bible then mean when it says Jesus was tempted in EVERY WAY. Who is to decide what EVERY WAY means? Maybe the author of this video could answer what EVERY WAY means?

[PastorInTraining11]

I am sorry sir, but you are mistaken - there is nothing wrong with what Driscoll said. Jesus was tempted in every way, therefore He was tempted sexually but He did not give in to his sin. Also, you clearly do not know Driscoll's stance on predestination because he actually his a Calvinist. I don't know why you are doing this, when clearly Pastor Driscoll is using the Bible and not our flawed human logic.

[Lucy160476]

When I did theology at a Christian bible college I was taught that Jesus was fully human and yet fully God. To be human would mean being tempted to sin would it not? It sounds like Driscol initially was trying to claim that Jesus may have sinned because the Bible does not apparently state otherwise, then he changes his mind and points out that temptation is not in fact a sin?

[tomatogoo]

you say at the very begining that Mark thinks Jesus could have sinned. as soon as you start playing his words, Mark says Jesus never sinned. you are not even creative in your slander. you twist words rediculously. you are not even clever. honestly, your verbal vomit only angered me for a few seconds and i very quickly began feeling sorry for you. you are in very very bad shape.

[tomatogoo]

you are a pathetic man andrew. you are absolutely transparent. the puppet strings that control you are almost vissible.

[robhiphop]

I feel you are misguided. Does 'sex drive mean a desire to sleep with women?" Of course not. Sex is to reproduce, we reproduce with the opposite sex, so therefore we will naturally be drawn to such things. You are definitely twisting words

[crem004]

Wow AndrewcBain...I've gone through most of your videos that criticize good theologians that preach good doctrine, and you have ALWAYS taken their words and twisted them to say what you want them to say. That is the reason why your ratings are so low. It's not because we're loyal fans to these preachers...it's because of your false accusations about them. Repent and seek Christ.

[Johnboks]

Hey..you must be jealous and/or bitter...and have to much time on your hands. Be a man, get a life. There is nothing unbiblical at all about what Mark is saying. You are taking his words and the bible's and using them out of context.

[sarararah]

I think you're wasting your time here. Jesus didn't die for this..for you to waste your time with THIS. Go out and do something that lifts people up, instead of bringing them down. even IF this position WAS correct..... Phil 1:18 (NIV) "But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. "

[dcbailey8589]

Dude you simply do not understand scripture. You take a baseball bat to your computer so that you can no longer mislead people.

[norqvader]

Continued inaccuracy, falsehood(you assume what others think...idiot), and stupidity. You, sir are an agent of Lucifer trying to deceive people and establish your own religion...it certainly is not based on the Bible, or Christ.

[Reformation1517]

Mark Driscoll was mistaken in his presentation of what temptation means. If a sinner has a sinful thought then he has committed a sin already. Sins are not confined to what Driscoll describes but also to thoughts. Read Matthew 5:28. Driscoll's blasphemous teaching on Christ having "sinful thoughts" is false.

[joesaiyang]

You haven't fooled anyone. I don't think people are dumb enough to really think that's what Mark Driscoll meant... the guy only points people to the Bible, and that's what you should be doing too. You really put a lot of words in his mouth, and you should be careful.

[goldenboot923]

Dude, you Andrew Bain, are putting words into Mark Driscoll's mouth - and you, have not distinguished yourself - the difference between temptation and sin. You are quoting Driscoll out of context.

[gamevisage]

@goldenboot923 tell him brother. I told him several times before that he need to learn to read and "understand" what he reads before he talks.

[Daniel9913]

I mean, bro, do you simply want attention or something? I mean really, quit wasting your time on these crazy videos!

[simplydannygirl]

You see how vile Driscoll the blasfemer is Jesus lusted after women? The same Lord says if you even look at woman and lust after her you commit adultry. So now he is going lust after his female disciples? Driscoll is vile. And Calvinist like Jpjn Piper love him. They share in the "Gloriuos truths". Then. James 1:13-15. To even concieve it before acting it out is sin.

So Driscoll is Satan's own mouth. The vile man.

Danny

[TruthinTension]

Are you kidding me?! This is off base and is NOT what Mark Driscoll teaches, or has taught.

[2row777]

Lol...is this supposed to be a joke??? Discroll clearly said what he meant. Jesus was 100% God but also 100% man. This is pointless since the 118 comments before mine already told you what I'm about tell you. Why don't you get ahold of Mark Discroll himself instead of some guy who claims to be some king Calvinist?

[canest387]

this video is stupid. Jesus was sinless, the point of what Driscoll is saying is that he was tempted in every way. That's supposed to be a comfort, not fodder for theological ivory towers that slander on youtube. It's supposed to be comforting that Christ was tempted and overcame all sin. Well, it is comforting. What's not comforting is in your quest to clarify you actually make it more unclear. this is like arguing over the power bill when the house is on fire. look at the big picture...

[marcusryancampbell]

its not about you Andrew, It's about Jesus.

[adamshirey16]

This video clip makes me hate calling myself a Christian. Go tell someone about Jesus and stop putting this junk online. get over your disagreements personally rather than slandering someones ministry on the internet. Go be Jesus to someone today. love people and love God. Stop this bickering. It's childish and self righteous.

[nighthawk7878]

I tend to agree with adamshirey16 here.

To really discern the fine points you are trying to pull out of Mark Driscoll's head and his theology, you need him to speak to the issues.

Don't go round second guessing his intent and putting words in his mouth. This is futility.

[nlaparra]

We are to be kind to other people; we are even to love our enemies! And i have tried to patiently love Andrew Bain while i watch him make a fool out of himself as he trots around with his fake 'theologian" name tag pinned to his shirt.

For all of you watching this video, know that i have watched (i think) every one of his videos and I have come to one conclusion: Andrew Bain is an idiot; a jack-ass; a perverter of the Word of God. Do not listen to him. Run for your lives!

[nighthawk7878]

Thanks nlaparra. Today is the first day I ever heard him and only this video. He is putting words into the mouth of one guy here.

[bldgmaker]

Well, thanks, you got me to go watch it for myself, and I found the message to be quite inspiring... really glad Jesus has a sense of humor... he needs one for me...;o) Hope you and I both get to see Him more and more like He really is... Hope to give you a high five on the other side... not because I agree with your approach, but because that will mean that, in spite of it, we both will have seen the truth about our own sin nature saw Jesus as the only answer to the depravity within our hearts.

[greyuglybetsy]

If you truly want to deny that Jesus was tempted in every way as we are then you are going to have state why you disagree with the Bible, as Driscoll himself quoted. If Hebrews is correct then Jesus was tempted as we are, just as Driscoll says, and it cannot be denied that humans are tempted in this way. Please, think and read, and be honest, before you start publicly defaming an individual.

[greyuglybetsy]

I think it is sad that Satan has so taken you over as to use you to help his cause in such a method. To those of us who use our own minds it is quite clear and obvious that you are taking Driscoll's comments out of context or even completely twisting them for your own case. Using 'pervert' when Driscoll never used the word is an obvious rhetorical move used to cloud proper judgement of what is being said. It is frustrating that you are parading this as a service for Christ. May God help you...

[ygatyd]

Pick your battles. This is a bad pick. Are you a christian? Is this how you serve the Lord your God? The One who saved you from your filth? Be ashamed. Grow up. Then maybe God can use you for something relevant.

[dssk1023]

Driscoll said that Jesus was tempted.. he never succumbed to the temptation

[kjartemis]

Winner

[YouMustTypeAUserName]

know your theology before you start slagging theologians.

[thegoodfight10]

AndrewcBain - did you even read the next section? the section where Mark says "God cannot sin. Jesus is God-Man. Therefore, Jesus was tempted in every way as we, but absolutely without sin."

sure, when you pick the section of the book that YOU see fit and leave it alone and open-ended, it makes whoever look heretical.

stop doing this. everyone of your videos is filled w/ judgement and flawed questioning. it's great to question, but not great to arrive at crooked, out of context conclusions.

[varsitycamplife]

What do you think "tempted, yet was without sin" means? He was tempted. It was alluring to him. He resisted the temptation and did not sin. Was tempted in every way. Was tempted in every way. Was tempted in every way. Yet... Did not sin. Did not sin. Did not sin.

[marqblink]

wow dude, you just dont get it. i pray you do. go reach the lost and feed the poor. your ministry of judgement is done.

[ele12957]

Mybe Mark Driscoll is just getting what he has sowed, he savaged the author of "The Shack" pretty bad and didn't even have his facts correct.

[ImaDunngirl]

I agree...you are denying the humanity of Christ and if I am not mistaken you are forgetting about Hebrews 4:15, which tells us Jesus was tempted in every way we have been, yet was without sin. Driscoll is making the point that Jesus was tempted like we are, yet was without sin. Sounds like he is preaching the Bible.

[makindell]

full on Docetism on your part man..

[formerutuber]

you know what you are?you're an ACCUSER.you accuse the brethren.you're doing the work of the devil.Revelation 12:12

...other than that, you don't even use reason and CONTEXT when you accuse.

[jgrig2]

why don't u get offline. Noone cares what you have to say. Everyone knows what you do u silly little hypercalvinist who has no life. You have condemned every non-supralasparian calvinist in existence in ur horribly made shows. Grow up and get a life.

[spsantacruz]

Pitiful. You call Driscoll agnostic about predestination. You are Gnostic about Jesus. You don't want Him to be fully human. You don't like the fact that Jesus was human. You have to put words in the mouth of people like Driscoll to get your point across, and you do it in a way that makes it seem as if your words are actually the words of the person you are bashing.

[maninthepew]

jehovahs witness.

[beef03rugby]

haha this is the funniest, most ridiculous thing iv seen in a while...thanks for giving me a little giggle!

[clillibridge11]

check your heart bro... you have everything here wrong, your picking apart lines... Only God will judge you, i wont, its not my place as a christian, but i hope you seriously think about this. check your faith

[potassiumpermangana]

Before you go railing on someone like Mark Driscoll how about you clear your heart. Posting this video obviously shows you have some hate and where you true time lies. I came across this video after see Driscolls video on ABC, I was in disbelief and shock! That I created a youtube account to just write this comment.

[potassiumpermangana]

This video reminds me of the Pharisees that Christ says O you of little faith. It surprised me to see that someone with false evidence, no first hand experience, no primary sources, and what seem no love in a personal relationship with Christ; would write this. (Then again I realized that a blogger would). I would refer to you what Driscoll says, move out of your Moms house and get a job.

[potassiumpermangana]

Many bloggers, like you, are people who have opinions on everything and want everyone to hear it, that they while do anything like building false pretenses and evidence ( i.e this video). I can and have the validity to call you out on this because I have attended Mars Hill and even spoke with Driscoll and read his books as well as the bible. WHAT YOU SAY, HAS NO TRUTH!

[potassiumpermangana]

The only reason I can think of where your fake quotes come from are either your head, or you take bits and pieces and rearrange them, or take his quotes totally out off context. Most likely the last of the three. Out off context, to define it for you, is you giving his words a new meaning that was not attended.

[potassiumpermangana]

Mark is one if not the most Bible based preacher I know! He stands by the verse 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training the RIGHTEOUS MAN. I believe you need to read the Bible more, or in a way that wants to know Christ better and more, not second guessing.

[potassiumpermangana]

Out of all strangeness I started reading Psalms again today and started with Psalms 1. (Which I saw you quoted in your description). You quoted that Christ meditates day and night on the laws (verse 2). I agree. But I will quote to you THE FIRST verse of Psalms 1, where it says the RIGHTEOUS MAN does not sit in the seat of scoffers(verse 1).

[potassiumpermangana]

You sir are the scoffer. Blame this or that, and trying to bring down brothers of Christ, rather then focusing on CHRIST HIMSELF!!! Like Driscoll said it is ALL about JESUS.

[Bogzy1989]

"pervert Christ" = BLASPHEMY

[kambarakid]

I'm really confused by this video post, Andrew. Mark Driscoll gives you his answer right there in the quotation that you quote. Temptation is not sin. Jesus was tempted. But he didn't act on it. Temptation is when you lie down in a bed and for a moment and think how nice it would be to have someone beside you. Sin starts when you don't push that temptation out of your head but choose to dwell on it.

Lust is defined as choosing to dwell on your temptations, lust is not the temptation itself.

[benji07]

Isn't your video just splitting hairs? I think you may be over-analyzing some things and trying to find faults in people where there may not be much merit.

[hubbs86]

Dude, you trying to kick driscolls but is like going up against the incredible hulk. prepare for an pounding.

[4callingtechsupport]

Andrew...you are one of the biggest losers I have ever seen on the internet...trying to slam great men like Driscoll, MacArthur, and Piper...all amazingly great men that you should shut you mouth and learn from instead of trying to slant what they are saying. I think maybe you get upset when Driscoll makes comments about bloggers living in their mothers basement trying to say he's wrong about this and that.

[michaeleyeofthetiger]

I think about this: Jesus came in the form of the flesh, he came in the flesh, but because he was born of the Holy Spirit, Jesus was not in Adam!!!!!!! So he was without sin! Paul says that through Adam sin came on every man - but Jesus was born by the Holy Spirit, so he was without sin! Total depravity of the heart was not something that Jesus had to deal with - but ALL other men do!

[Angrydeadpoets]

I don't really care for religion, because as everything that human make, it is a flawed thing. Whatever.

What is really sad is that a dumbshit like Driscoll uses shock value just to get his little fifteen minutes of fame is pretty sad.

DOn't pile me up with the christians, who are just as moronic, but at least they use less of a shock value to get attention (to an extent)

[ThusFar777]

I'm sorry but I just can't stomache the thought of Jesus lusting after women or wanting a sexual relationship with the women He came to save. I mean, He made us women for goodness sake. Why would He even want the reflection of the real thing when He had the real thing? Yikes. He never went to bed alone. He was in the Father and the Father in Him.(John 14:11)

[ThusFar777]

Perhaps Jesus had some sexual urges, but they could never have been directed at women. Not even the thought of women. It is possible to have an innocent sexual urge without the thought or temptation to actually have sex with anyone. Kids get them all the time, and many relieve themselves innocently by rubbing on a blanket. Again -without an inkling of a thought for a woman.

[21jonmark]

Dude.. you are ridiculous.

you need to seriously take some argument constuction classes. Your conlusions are SO unrelated to the actual message that I came to the conclusion that you are death, or simply can't interpret a message or text.

[emmanuelibus]

I go half and half with this 'issue'.

Jesus is sinless, and we can all agree on that. We can also agree that our Lord was tempted to sin.

Question is, where the temptations caused by an outside source (ie demonic spirits like satan when Jesus was fasting) orwas it internal or fleshly.

that, i don't know. but if there was ever a man that could conquer His own sinful desires, it's Jesus.

[danablett]

"you wanna be a self-rightous religious pharisaical hypocrite who is judgmental to all people and kind to very few, other than the few that are like you. If you/re filed with pride and arrogance(which is the original sin and got Satan kicked out of heaven)."

sounds like driscoll is talking directly about you AndrewcBain...

[leprechaunrockstar]

ok....first off...i have in the past warned people about this guy(bain) being demonic.....but i think i have grown a little and i can see by all the comments that NOT one person has in any way thought he made ONE correct statement and he is stupid so, my point is mute.....i know satan is clever...so in that logical conclusion ive come to see that bain simply has some form of mental autism.....no pun intended...i seriously think this guy has a mental block and has some form of slight retardation.

[reformedshayne]

man, you really ARE lost.

[RM77MKII]

You keep entertaining this notion that you know something.

A Fool is known by his many words.

[brianlara84]

Not to mention his already aforementioned fabrication and lies that he puts on all these great men of God.

[brianlara84]

The only reason I gave this and any of this guys videos a 1 star is because you can't give less than that. Does this guy intentionally miss the point every single video he posts?

[mutumbo99]

my thought exactly

[ryry137]

What about where it talks about how Jesus was tempted by stain just as we are. Matthew Chapter 4. Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. So yeah he could have sinned, he was tempted but never sinned. What do you say to that?

[dk4401]

if you look at a women lustfully, that is a sin

the temptation to look at a women lustfully is not a sin,

[rangefight]

hahaha you are funny mate! enjoy you life please. I hope God is good.

[jmebaby25]

... fabricated a statement that would turn a man preaching the word of God into a heratic. You've taken a man that God is working through for HIS (That's God's) GLORY and you have tried to divert that elsewhere to your own wicked agenda.

I say again... repent for this. What you have done in this video and with several others of yours I have seen, it reminds me of part of the Genesis account (here's a real Driscoll quote). The serpent says to Eve, "Did God really say that".

[jmebaby25]

cont... and several others in your 'videos'.

I quote you here (NOT driscoll)...

" "oh no," Driscoll would say, "Jesus wasn't mediating on the Law day and night - some of the time, he was fantasizing about his female disciples"."

How dare you create false quotes and even have the audacity to put them in "quotation marks" to suggest that Driscoll said this. You completely misunderstand what was being preached and you appear to have callously and distastfully fabricated a statement... cont

[jmebaby25]

cont... as Driscoll states repeatedly in his books/blogs/sermons).

Jesus doesn't sin because he doesn't act on these temptations and it never even crosses his mind to do them. But understand that Jesus was made flesh. Being sinless meant that he understood that there is an attractition between men and women but he chose not to sin, not to give in to temptation.

You may be ignorant and not understand that.

What is disgraceful is your contining misquoting of Driscoll... (tbc)...

[jmebaby25]

Ok,

Here's my reponse to you video. I'll begin by stating firstly that I do not know you and I don't know your heart. I can't comment on your character, only on what I've seen in this video and your "more info".

You need to repent for this. Fair enough if you speak out of ignorance and don't understand what the word "temptation" means and it's distinct difference from sin. Jesus WAS tempted by the devil in the wilderness. Did he sin - NO (as Driscoll states.... tbc

[stewartwadehines]

I like how he just disproved your point 1:54 when he says "Jesus never did sin"

that sort of disproves your whole video.

Great job.

[gamevisage]

@stewartwadehines Tell him again till he gets it. This guy needs help.

[mp0ppe]

Um, praise God?

[KingdomUploader]

A temptation is an appeal by the flesh in conjunction with external stimuli as well as satanac antagonism which further coerce or inflame all our carnal desires; it is a Test to find what is in our Heart; this all begins with a single thought! Jesus was acquanted with all our shortcomings. Part of the redemption process is the "renewing of the mind". Jesus' mind was entirely renewed; He could see instantly the end result of all His thoughts and CHOSE only those that would produce good fruit.

[KingdomUploader]

Jesus was tempted in every way a human can be tempted yet He did not sin; that's a biblical fact. Jesus taught the "spirit of the law" as in the verse you quoted "..look upon a woman to lust after her, you've committed adultry in your heart". Jesus' heart and mind was "stayed on God", He did have a human sex drive but He "kept His flesh under subjection" and knew how to "posses His vessel"in purity to please God rather than His human self. His "Thoughts" never wandered off into lust of any sort.

[patmos3]

previous post should be "got Satan". Sorry for the typo. O well it gave me the opportunity to say I will not be watching any of your video posts in the future. May God help you.

[patmos3]

Also, you seem so interested in quoting the sermon on the mount... why don't you take some of your time and ponder the text, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven." It is no wonder why people don't want to come to Jesus when out of touch, self righteous, pharisaical snobs like you act like you alone speak for God. You are guilty of the same sin that God Satan kicked out of heaven. Get off your horse and repent, or may God knock you off of it.

[patmos3]

Mr. Bain, I believe that you are allowing yourself to be a tool of satan by trying to stir dissension among brothers by your self righteous theological nitpicking. You seem to not understand the difference between theology and doctrine. Driscoll is reformed and does believe in the sovereignty of God. But unlike you Mark recognizes that Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love God and love people. Maybe you need to learn from Mark and love people and stop wasting time ripping good people.

[OvationBoyy]

Dude, no offense, but you obviously have not listened to Driscoll much. If so, you would pick up on his use of irony and sarcasm that intertwinds his sermons. The acusations you present are taken out of context. I could write a rant clarifying what he is saying but it would do no good. If you want to expose extreme false teachings why dont you watch a Joel Osteen or Rob Bell sermon.

I just assume you haven't been predestined to "get it"

[yum3like]

bible clearly says Jesus was tempted. this is what this guy agrees.

andrew, you are a miserable. what you are saying about this guy is slanderous and lies. get off youtube unless you can be constructive. your breeding hatred thru lies.

[franticlysilent]

Driscol is a calvinist. Saying he is agnostic about about predestination is just stupid.

[bignickers]

Completely out of context. Honestly, what is this trying to achieve?

[RedBeetle]

Jesus is not self-referentially absurd. He is not a paradox. There is nothing paradoxical about the Second Person of the Trinity hypostatically uniting to a true and perfect human soul and a true human body. Your Neo-orthodox theology is contrary to the Word of God.

[RedBeetle]

Jesus was not a paradox. The very idea smells of neo-orthodox/Van Tilian theology.

[MikeyTipunama]

"Does Andrew Bain Take Pastors Out of Context?" :

ww w. youtube. com/watch?v=AVaglrODhqg

[sprankadeedoych]

Wow...you really know how to take words completely out of context.

[thbslawson]

I'm curious to know you're authority here. Who is your pastor? What church do you attend? You seem to be the very kind of person Mark is talking about here, prideful and arrogant.

[tutlover39]

Marc is correct because the bible is correct. Jesus was human and was tempted as all humans are. Quit nitpicking.

[RedBeetle]

Jesus did not have sinful desires. You need to read the "Sermon on the Mount," for to desire to have sex with one you are not married to is a sin.

[07MOJDF]

No i don't agree that, that is what driscoll was saying. He was simply making the point that Jesus was tempted in EVERYWAY LIKE US, yet without sin - in other words without acting on it either in his mind or deeds.

So please stop making a simple point so complicated and confussing, and quit the quarraling about words, which does no good...

[kbowles258]

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen on youtube. It actually made me laugh. Can you read? It would be like you saying "I don't like bread." And then I would then say... "DID YOU HEAR THAT???  THAT GUY LIKES BREAD!" Are you mentally incapacitated???

[hastetheday1902]

Here is a verse for you also Hebrew's 4:14-16 "Since then we have a great High Priest who has passed through the Heavens. Jesus,the son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who is unable to sympathize with our weakness, but one who in every respect has been TEMPTED as we are, yet with out sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

[hastetheday1902]

Mr. Bain your enjoyment in taking good pastors and theologians out of context and trying to destroy God's church is mind blowing to me. I understand that there are many many heritics out there today. But you are attacking great leaders of the faith that teach good solid doctrine and lead lives to be made example of. Only do you claim to follow Christ?? Then stop doing Satan's work.

[theisaacsonbros]

Sorry AndrewcBain but you're wrong about Driscoll - instead of quoting him out of context and blowing up everything he says why not just listen to what he's saying and the Bible quotes he's using - here he's not said anything heretical so why don't we all (including Mr Driscoll) ask for a bit more humility before we stop preaching the gospel and start preaching against our Christian brothers. Not the best example to be setting to a world that is in such desperate need of a Saviour.

[himynamesryan]

That is taken out of context. He then goes on to say that Jesus was God in every way and says that Jesus never broke any of God's laws as revealed in Scripture . And sexual temptation is different from lust. If you disagree on what he says then why do you read his books/ listen to his sermons in the first place?

[cmc1of3]

Driscoll never says this. He says that Jesus was tempted like humans. He was confronted with sin, just like humans are. Just because I would never choose to kill someone doesn't mean I'm not confronted with the temptation to do so. Driscoll never says Jesus almost sinned or could have sinned, He just says he faces temptation. You can be tempted and not be able to sin. It's possible and it DID happen.

[cmc1of3]

Driscoll never says this. He says that Jesus was tempted like humans. He was confronted with sin, just like humans are. Just because I would never choose to kill someone doesn't mean I'm not confronted with the temptation to do so. Driscoll never says Jesus almost sinned or could have sinned, He just says he faces temptation. You can be tempted and not be able to sin. It's possible and it DID happen.

[cmc1of3]

I do understand the difference, it seems that you do not distinguish temptation from sin. Jesus was tempted in the desert. The devil gave him the choice to sin. Of course, Jesus had no desire to sin because He is God, but that doesn't change the fact that He faced temptation. Temptation: given a choice and instigation to do wrong. Sinning: Choice to do the wrong.

[JesusIsSovereign]

You missed the point again. If anyone is watering down the truth of God's Word, it's Bain and his friends. The passage in question states, "For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin"(He. 4:15). This truth does not appease an emotional state but comforts the tempted. You are almost Docetic in this discussion (which is a heresy concerning the nature of Christ).

[JesusIsSovereign]

1. Jesus was fully God

2. Jesus was fully human

3. Jesus was perfectly without sin

4. Jesus was tempted in every way as we are

5. Mark Driscoll would affirm all these statements.

6. I'm doubtful that Bain would affirm numbers 2 and 4.

[JesusIsSovereign]

We should also never water down someone's words to appease our false doctrine.

[JesusIsSovereign]

You missed the point again. If anyone is watering down the truth of God's Word, it's Bain and his friends. The passage in question states, "For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin"(He. 4:15). This truth does not appease an emotional state but comforts the tempted. You are almost Docetic in this discussion (which is a heresy concerning the nature of Christ).

[JesusIsSovereign]

You miss the point again. We are not saying Jesus struggled with sin. We are saying He was tempted... big difference. You guys are painting Jesus as though He were not also fully human. You are almost Docetic in this discussion (which is a heresy about the nature of Christ, by the way).

[Testallthings]

I CANNOT believe that people are actually defending Mark Driscoll.

[JesusIsSovereign]

You love bad theology, Bain. You are full of straw-men. One question for you guys on this subject: what will you do when a Christian is feeling utterly hopeless in his temptations, feeling like there is no one who can sympathize with him? That's precisely the point here. No where will you find Driscoll ever saying that (1) Jesus ever sinned, or that (2) Jesus was not God. In fact, Driscoll will affirm the opposite of these statements quite clearly and passionately. Why don't you just ask him?

[cmc1of3]

Another obvious distortion of words. Jesus WAS tempted. Did you miss the part in all the Gospels where Jesus is tempted in the desert by the devil?! Driscoll NEVER says that Jesus sinned or lusted.  Those are your blasphemous words. Temptation is not sin. Temptation is a way to lead us to sin. Everyone is tempted. Jesus was able to overcome it and not sin. Do you understand what temptation is?

[cmc1of3]

He did not say Jesus was a pervert and he did not say that Jesus sinned. He said that Jesus faced temptation. Did you miss the whole part of the Gospels where Christ goes into the desert and is tempted by the devil? Being tempted by lust and actually lusting are two different things. Jesus was tempted to make bread out of stones and follow the devil. Just because He was tempted doesn't mean He did it. Do you understand what tempted means?

[picturesmith]

succumbed to temptation???

immediately after the part where he says what you interpreted as Jesus sinning, he says VERY DIRECTLY that he doesn't think Jesus sinned.

how can you possibly construe that as Driscoll thinking that Jesus sinned.

[jgrig2]

well as human he could as God he could not. Duel nature.