Perpetuum Mobile - Scorpio

[OK55OK55OK]

I can't believe the stupid comments. !! It is NOT supposed to work, it is just for meditation, stare at it, and meditate, and relieve your stress....some people are just plain stupid.

[Navious]

well at least the music's good eh?

[FoamKittyGamer]

URGH!!!! The right side of the wheel is heavier than the left... AGAIN!!!

God dammit you...

[Yajiro83]

@FoamKittyGamer

E=MC²

Movement & speed are energy too.

The real problem isn't the weight, but the friction...

[PunkntheGodfather]

To work it just needs a bit of extra lubrication, so lets stand around and wank of it, better still lest piss on the person that did this

[Kukumor]

music - !!!!!!!!!!!

[SsSLAURSsS]

the weight of a single ball can't move an entire weel with balls moving on it

[TheCrampz]

This would not work because the ball attached to the wire that falls would have to suddenly gain more weight going down to actually make the weight of the balls that are coming up to actually make a fully revolve even once. so again this would be breaking the laws of physics

[The42ndWoot]

um has anyone read the purpose of these videos staring at them is suposed to releave stress

[engineglue]

If you put this in a vacuum and removed the resistance from the center axle, that might actually work. :)

[chrisofnottingham]

Funny how the most successful perpetual motion machines are always animations.

[abc2403]

it works, it works! It's magic!

[abc2403]

it works, it works! It's magic!

[jaggerlags]

It's sad people keep yelling at this guy to tell him it can't be real. I think we know that, it's a video.

[SlackerSlayer]

@jaggerlags B-b-but add a couple magnets rotating in perfect time closer to and then farther away in a few key locations and change the balls to mono-polar,,,

[centurionl]

what if it was floating on that rod with magnets? is there still friction on that?

[TrippyMcFly43]

@centurionl air friction buddy. but if you put it in a big vacuum then it would last longer but still not perpetual because of the ratio of "balls"

[Hedning1390]

This is double fail :D

It should of course, as many have pointed out, rotate clockwise.

[SpikeZeek]

@Hedning1390 view from the other side or turn it around

[Hedning1390]

@SpikeZeek Lol, that would make it rotate clockwise, but then it should rotate counter clockwise. It is not symmetrical along the vertical axis.

[laxwork]

this must rotate clock wise! Why not? hahahha

[BenjaminAKozlowski]

It is well understood the physical laws violated with all the "perpetual motion"designs out there, but it is a great concept to dwell on. I know this is just an animation, but shouldn't the rotor be turning clockwise? it appears that the balls on the right are further from the wheel center than the balls on the left.

[azzy314159]

Invented after a big dose of green stuff ROFL.

[LegendaryThoughts]

sudden stop = transfer of energy being greater then the energy needed to lift the remaining balls also bypassing the friction?

Sudden stop acting like a capacitor?

[grasuneluuu]

pt grasuneluuu e super tare vezi sa nu inebunesti de atata desteptaciune posteaza ceva facut de tine

[whatsinthevice]

what did you use to make this animation?

[bloomingdedalus]

Nobody thinks this machine would actually work Rovku... stop being an idiot. This is just some sort of really weird hippie shit that doesn't mean anything.

Plantagenet -> You can't make a car run on water.

[rovku]

@bloomingdedalus

How am I being an idiot? All I did was to debunk this concept.

[bloomingdedalus]

@rovku Because the point of this is not to illustrate potential perpetual motion. Anyone with a brain would know this wouldn't work.

[13DeathWolf]

I'm sorry cowgosmoo2 but I disagree if you were to create a rift in reality that opened just above itself you could drop something (eg a ball) into the bottom one and it would fall out of the top one and back into the bottom one and the cycle would repete itself

[cowgoesmoo2]

@13DeathWolf

Gravity and friction.

[PlantagenetKW]

@cowgoesmoo2

13DeathWolf is referring to a purely hypothetical science fiction concept.

Its a bit Red Dwarf really.

He is young and still open to wild ideas. It would be sad if we stifled all creative thinking. Out of all the kids who think they can invent a car that runs on water pumped round by the wheels, a few go on to discover something new to science.

I'll try and explain the Laws of thermodynamics to him again but I'm not sure he is ready yet.

13DeathWolf's dad.

[cowgoesmoo2]

@PlantagenetKW I see, how old is he?

[PlantagenetKW]

@cowgoesmoo2

13

:o)

[cowgoesmoo2]

@PlantagenetKW Ah, I am twelve, I guess i'll be calling him brother.

[ZigourasEngineering]

It's funny how things work so well in the animations, but when you actually build one....

[Surfister]

*cough*friction*cough*

[kren2012]

@Surfister Fiction? Have you built one?

[Surfister]

@kren2012 I said FRICTION, not fiction.

[kren2012]

@Surfister good for you........Have you built one?

[cowgoesmoo2]

I thought we learned that perpetual motion was impossible in 6th grade.... looks like some people are retarded.

[leirgauk]

@cowgoesmoo2 i doubt its impossible. by using rotating magnets that alter eachother at the PERFECT time it should cause a perpetual motion. all u gotta do is the math.

[cowgoesmoo2]

@leirgauk

Yes, yes, you do not understand and has forgotten. First of all, friction. Secondly, Quantum mechanics renders the defenition "perfect" impossible. Even if it was possible, at "PERFECT" time the magnets on the OTHER side would offset the motion created by the magnets. Do not correct me, unless stating that in a frictionless world perpetual motion is possible, although a frictionless world is impossible. You people are very, very stupid. Even the internet won't lie about this thing

[leirgauk]

i pity u. im familiar with the scientific *THEORIES* that disprooves this concept. but theories have also been disprooven. we're living in a time of theory. very little is proven if u think about it, and can possibly be disprooven at any point. it's only pretentious little "know-it-alls" like urself that keep this from happening and keeps science one step behind at all time. shame on u. EMBRACE SCIENCE!!!

[cowgoesmoo2]

@leirgauk

Looks like I am one of those who understand more about science, keep extremely up to date, take lessons from a collage as a highschooler for conceptual physics and physics classes. Please stop being very annoying, some thins you say do not make sense. Just end it here, this shit ges nowhere even if i'm wrong.

[leirgauk]

that being said, being the proud highschooler attempting college that u are, u should know that quantum mechanics is a debatable theory. and seeing that magnetism is a force, there's no reason why friction and gravity would alter perfectly assembled working magnets. and did u know that magnets can be isolated to prevent that unwanted altering of each other? the reason why modern academic science is ignoring this is a conspiracy that allows the oil and electric companies to keep getting ur money.

[cowgoesmoo2]

Proud, yes, but that is funny that you mention "attempt". Quantum mechanics is debatable among people who do not completely understand quantum mechanics. A few of newton's ideas are also debatable. Your ideas are debatable, my ideas are debatable. Magnets can be isolated with superconductors yes, I see that there is also no way to produce a perpetual motion machine with only magnets. If perpetual motion was possible nature would not of had made it so hard to obtain. Law of conservation of energy

[jarosikzero]

@cowgoesmoo2 And perhaps if perpetual motion was possible, we and nature wouldn't exist at all.

[cowgoesmoo2]

@leirgauk Are you serious? What kind of science are you talking about? Classical physics or modern science? "Pretentious little "know-it-alls" do not affect it, and I just don't get what you mean by "EMBRACE SCIENCE". Am I supposed to be religious? Quantum Mechanics require one hell of a smart-ass person much smarter than Einstein to debate with mathematical terms.

[ichinarukurumaki]

uhh.. dude, maybe u should research some more before talking out of ur ass

[cowgoesmoo2]

@leirgauk I understand what you mean, but the thing is ask ANY real physicist and the answer is no, it violates the the deepest laws of physics, which were even accepted when religion was around, and also wave function, quantum fluctuations make perfection literally impossible. For example, an atomic clock may be extremely accurate, but over the course of a million years, it will not be on time anymore, the clock can be very CLOSE to the concept of one second, but never on. Quantum mechanics.

[4NTU4N]

Finally found, at last. Hohohohohoho

(However, fine work design)

[zawor500]

thats somehow funny :D

[BackwardProduction]

Finally, some common sense comments below mine. True, this will not work. If you look at videos that claims "zero point energy", "free energy", or "perpetual motion" you get a bunch of lunatics saying "its real, the government just wants to keep it from us!"

[madnessdexter]

@BackwardProduction see this is the problem, people equate perpetual motion to free energy... there is no way to create energy. There is perpetual motion... equal forces on both side yes, but if the system is initially in motion it will stay in motion. newton's first law of motion.. This how ever does not mean you can get free energy from it because once you hook a generator to a system in motion it will slow it down and eventually stop it.

[RidgeRacerLord]

equal force on both side :\

[TheDrakenZ]

The amount of energy it takes to lift the balls on the other side (on the way up) is gonna be alot more than the force the balls are putting out (on the way down) Therefore it would stop. lol

[MegaRad666]

scorpio FTW!

[MichalBukowno]

hahahahahahaahha

[maggzzz10]

If the thrust of each new falling ball would cause an acceleration, this thing would reach unlimited speed. Unfortunately like any unbalanced wheel it only turns as long as you provide energy. Balanced wheels can run much longer in low friction conditions than unbalanced ones and everybody knows these will stop and the bearings will collect heat.

[Saltnsugar1197]

wont work

it would be more effectife if it ran the other way

[strictpolicy]

why ?

[HierNameneingeben]

It doesn't matter how long it would be running, as long it doesn't get faster it is senseless. You don't gain any energy out of it.

[rovku]

Pause the video at any time. Count how many "balls" that are being pulled down by gravity vs how many the machine have to push upwards itself.

At best you can get a 6/6 ratio, which means it will align itself and stop very soon.

[djk4tt]

yea, i can see where you make that point about the 1:1 ratio with the gravitational force -- the thing is, most of the machines like this are too balanced and that's most likely the problem with them -- it needs to be un-balanced to try to keep it in motion

[KirillKrasov]

@rovku it's just animation!

[rovku]

@KirillKrasov

I was talking about the concept, not the animation itself.

[bloomingdedalus]

@rovku Yeah, the description of the video doesn't even mention "perpetual motion." I see nowhere in here to indicate they intended to express something real. These are just some weird hippie meditation/hypnotism animations that aren't really effective at that either.  It's like watching Star Trek and pointing out every technology that couldn't possibly exist - not really the point.

[rovku]

@bloomingdedalus

The video title is "perpetuum mobile", and according to wikipedia that means "... [a] hypothetical machines that operate or produce useful work indefinitely and, more generally, hypothetical machines that produce more work or energy than they consume, whether they might operate indefinitely or not."

It's still not an excuse for calling me an idiot.

[bloomingdedalus]

@rovku Ok, then how about you saying "I debunked it." How bout giving the laws of thermodynamics credit for your incredibly astute doubt of perpetual motion animations. This is just stupid in the first place - notice it has zodiac signs and says "meditation start" at the beginning. This is just some weird subculture thing. If you want to debunk "perpetual motion" machines, talk about Reidar Finsrud's "perpetual motion" machine. This is just some hippie meditation crap.

[rovku]

@bloomingdedalus

Of course it is stupid. However, when I see posts saying "DOES IT WORK?" I feel it is my duty to point out WHY it doesn't work. Pointing people to the 2nd law of theromdynamics won't tell them much. Pointing out the number of balls being pulled up vs being pulled down by gravity says more.

Now stop being an idiot and let it go.

[beyblademaster8944]

@rovku i counted 7to5 at one point

[pdpM4rc0]

@rovku  its 5 against 7 cous 1 its allready stoped on the central bottom, 6 "going up" and 5 going down, GRAVITY EVEN WITHOUT FRICTION!!!

[Joeygame1018]

@rovku nono, ur missing the point. the balls at the bottom weigh lets say 6 grams. when they reach the top, the 6 flips and becomes a 9 meaning it now weighs 9 grams so that the falling balls weigh more than the bottom ones making it easier to lift XD

[aajjeee]

@rovku no caus the force created by the sincle ball that falls gives enough energy for it to continue



[rovku]

@aajjeee Reeeaaaally? Looks like one of us have togo back to physics class, and I don't think it's me...

[JlkJlk18000]

@rovku Your forgetting about the force of it falling to the left... the gravity provides extra force to pick up the right side although friction would stop it quickly

[boumbh]

@JlkJlk18000 The energy of the impact is actually less than if the ball was doing leverage all along (there is the useless fall before the impact, then there is the time when the ball is doing nothing at the bottom of the wheel).

[cyborgtroy]

Because there's no force pushing it. It's just a less efficient version of the wheel.

And it doesn't do any good to run 30 years and still produce no energy. :/

[utsavman47]

this is supposed to move in the other direction

[balloydspiritsoul]

These assholes just can't take it! These ain't still the time for perpetual motion! maybe 50 years from now!

[eckyspondoolie]

Excellent idea.

Scale it up and run a generator for electricity.

Needs water at the bottom to float a large oversize polystyrene tyre if you like that the whole thing fits into to take the weight off the bottom balls to allow faster spinning. or repelling magnets to repell ascending balls. etc etc. good luck

[Hanzo1990]

lool^^

[capitanseven]

I am sorry - these  are all stupid.

You would LOVE the avalanche concept - It does work.

[Skillusion]

Like the rest, it's cool to look at, but no more possible than the rest. The wheel would have no inclination to turn since both sides would always be the same weight and thus it would have no reason to move ;).

[475204]

Да чистой механийкой сто пудов не возможно. ИХМО если и есть перпето мобиле, то он болжен иметь в себе магнит

[veloextr]

very fun!! ;-D

[muddymuddymuddmann]

BACKWARDS

[inkikko]

"he made a mistake" should put a ball bearing that allows the wheel, to rotate in only one direction (clockwise or counterclockwise, according to the inclination) "

I have built and works, the error was the ball bearing is to be unidirectional

[AssassinXCV]

YOU SUCK!

[inkikko]

Perhaps! Take off your clothes! :D

[sm0thY]

Attrition ist the reason why every perpetuum mobile can't work without adding energy.

[corcassam]

whats that program?? Urgent

[mrek94]

whats that program ?

[Proottalfain]

Put friction in there, and it's no longer perpetual, no matter in which direction it's going. But as this is a 3D model that does not consider friction, just about any mobile would be perpetual.

[69gothix69]

LOOOOOL, it should move in the opposite direction :P, theoreticaly, the wheel is supposed to movein the direction of the extended spheres

[EOGGasman]

Who cares if they work or not, they're fun to watch.Too bad you didn't have these back in the 70's.

[baker1711]

wtf does that have 2 do with anything!

[PrecisionEngineered]

This will not work either :(

it needs to spin the OTHER way! AND the arms on the left must fold IN MORE!

[jklmuk]

totally agree there are more balls moving up than down so would have to go the other way.

[qman973]

You said: This will not work either :(

it needs to spin the OTHER way! AND the arms on the left must fold IN MORE!

if it did it the other way as you said it should, would it work in theory? i was just wondering.

[jklmuk]

no

there would have to be some outside energy pushing the top ball on the left side round to the right

[JAK0690]

fast richtig, nur die richtung ist falsch :-)

[scarysky]

... den Sisyphus überwunden

[chuckbooms]

aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh