I most agree with you. Only, it was Turks who were getting done with a 2,5 million strong Greek population out of a total 6,3 - 7,8mil Asianminors, including the Turks. Add to those Greeks 1.5mil Kurds and 500,000 Armenians, and you see who had legitimacy over the people and the territories of an alien Empire.
How many of them so called ''Turks'' of the time where really ''turkish'' and turanic / asian? Wheren't they mostly originate to a rather older Asianminorite (Greco-persian & Caucasio-armenoid) native people too? Wheren't they mostly comprising before of Christian Orthodox peoples and of a formerly Polytheistic and of an equally ancient Greek population?
@Nickname997 I need to remind you that most of Greek refugees coming from whatever today you might be calling Turkey were turkophones or bilingual, and not just greek-speaking like you re suggesting there. That also proves that native ethnic Greeks were a much stronger 'minority' then at that particular country which now you claim only for yourself. The 'Asia Minor' of the Ottomans did not resemble to a Turkey of the Generals of a much later time, of which you re talking about and have in mind.
Plus there were the moslem Greeks and the children of mixed marriages, like there is the history of the poorest of Ottoman subjects who got islamicized from even before. And, even before them there were the many more greek-speaking communities of a greek-speaking Byzantine Empire and the manier Rum-orthodox Greek-byzantine majority population of which you forget.
You 'd never call turkish the Greek-byzantine Romioi, or either those who 'd speak Roumtza & Pontic, those who your race had once called Romjun, Romaei, Roman'es, Romani, Aromani, Armanii, Armouni, Armenoi, Arnavout, Arnaoutas, Arvanitae, Arbanitas, Arbanatas, Arbeneshe, Arbereshe and so on. Most of, you forget to mention although they had also native and ancient or either medieval (i.e. Rum-byzantine) Greek origins too. I dont know about you, but I certainly can't call all of them ''Turk''._
@Arvanitarius What 6- 8million population? In 1927 in the first Turkish census the total population of Turkey was 13,6 million.(11 million Turks and the rest Kurds and other muslims)This census was AFTER the war! With very few christians remaining.
So according to you in1918-1927 ( in 10 years)the muslim population increased with 9-10 million people? In REALITY muslim and Turks DECREASED during the war. Anatolia was in 1914 not more than 25% christian. Greece itself was in 1914 10% Turkish
You refer to a Turkish Sensus of 1927 and from then on. I refer to much earlier population Sensuses and to most official Ottoman Government data from prior to 1910. You should keep that on mind. And, even a 25% strong Christian population of which you refer to weren't a non-significant fact. But, even according to your data Anatolia is a much wider region than just Smyrna, Aidinio, Constantinoble & Pontus, plus the land from our coasts to EskiShekhir, Kioutacheia, AfionKarahisar..
At those particular regions, ethnic and native Greeks were not just 25% of the population, and neither were they minority settlers to their towns and villages. They were much more than that, and they were a native ethnic element too. At least, most of them at that time. And, they were not all of them greek-speaking and rum-orthodox, like you suggest.
@Arvanitarius 25 % is the total of all christian. Greeks were 10% of anatolia, rest armenians others.
there were cities and villages were greeks were majorities but they were like little islands. and in the total pop(together with surrounding villages and cities) there were less than 30%
@Arvanitarius I do not refer only to 1927censes, census in 1910 ,1870, and ottoman tax registers in 1520!!! show clearly that christians were a small minority, all european travellers who visited these regions throughout the ages said that greeks were a minority. But forget thinking anatolia was majority greek.
What todays is northern greece (macedonia region) was not even majority greek.
The U.S. Congress should read the American Ambassador's "memoirs" during WWI.
He depicts the real horror of 2 million Armenian Orthodox Christians and another 2 million Greek Christians who were slaughtered, raped and remains thrown from trains.
Adolph Hitler took lessons from these monstrosities. History should acknowledge the loss of over 4 million of innocents by the Turkish ottoman muslim Hordes.
The Healing must begin with the Truth be told....
It's a masterpiece I have uploaded the whole movie in youtube.4 million Greeks killed in Turkey
Admit the genocide even Germans did.But you are mostly like them both fascists,Don't believe the turkish propaganda.The genocide is one of their achievements.Imagine after they burnt the greek houses in Smyrna they were fishing the dead bodies from the sea to collect any valuable material...
While your reference to Thessaloniki deserves more discussion it is a subject in itself and here we were talking about Smyrna. If you think the collateral of these incidents is a zero -sum game then the resulting war will happen in Kyphros on a much deadlier scale with worldwide reprecussions. The purpose of this movie is to learn from the past to avoid repeating it.
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i m turkish. firstly i didnt realy understand what was subject of the clip. a man killed a man. the killer must be turkish and the victim is greek. so what? is the director trying to say is war is bad. come on this is very weak and meaningless clip. also no turkish calls like allahhh like he is calling. it is not a right stuation to call like that. sorry director, i didnt like it. make something like art....
I haven't seen the whole film so can't comment on whether it is any good or not, but as someone whose family had to flee Smyrna in 1922 I am obviously keen to discover whether my family's plight has been portrayed properly. Also although I think history is important, I think the best gift we can give the 1922 refugees is to ignore politicians and bring together the peoples of Greece and Turkey. We the people will get on well with each other if we can keep the satanic politicians off our backs.
Kala pes mou oti kaneis plaka twra e.Nai na min akoume tous politikous,alla oxi kai filies me ta mpaza.Ksexnate mou fainetai elpizw na min xreiastei epanalipsi na sas to thymisei.Kourastika na fonazo
Friend, you have undergone completely secular upbringing in city urban setting and you have never witnessed Islamic Halal Tabighe with a large animal? The director is only portraying reconstruction form eyewitness accounts of survivors. Sometimes my friend, the truth hurts.
Yes, you are right the truth hurts. My grandmother parents was killed in Thselaniko by some greeks. After that my grandmother was taken to Turkey when she was 4 years old. Yes the truth hurts.
For complete History of Thessaloniki read Salonica, City of Ghosts by Mark Mazower. This American scholar provides a complete history of the town from 1361thru 1950 and is considered the last word on objective history on that city. I have that book out from the library today and have just started reading it.
Yes but unfortunately Turks still live in Thrace.We should have killed them 80 years ago.This is the biggest national mistake.Kill them exactly the way you killed us,4 million Greeks according to the population is 28 million Turks.This number must be accurate so we achieve the balance.
you have two options, first go to Turkey, be friend with turks. have a nice dinner there, nice talks also maybe if you want have sex. second option go to doctor.. otherwise you ll be more sick.... if you countinue like this..
A nice dinner... Very astute. Possibly we can eat dinner together while Kurds are being shot for celebrating their New Year, or speaking their language. We can also open a bottle of wine and smile as we pretend the Armenian genocide never happened. Perhaps we can consume toxic meat at the local McDonalds as we say how wonderful it is that there is a new Empire to prostrate before. Now we are together as being victims of U.$. foreign policy. Let's passively drink to this as well. Analyze that.
Koundouros was not arrested beaten and thrown to a dark dangeon after this? Because if no then there is no Greece...
I beleive the memory of the Greek territories and lands and properties and mostly GREEK PEOPLE LIVES that were eaten from the turkish dog, the virus of the planet, are severelly insolted by this dump I-want-to-think-I-am-a-director waste of film cord...
I am trying hard to not believe that this is a joke. It isn't, right? I mean I did the major mistake to watch all the movie. If you can call this shit a movie...
Гетоизацијата и дискриминацијата на граѓанските и човековите права и слободи на Македонците по потекло во Грција не се техничко прашање, туку систематски и континуиран геноцид врз македонскиот народ кој Атина го спроведува од окупацијата на Беломорскиот дел на Македонија во балканските војни и со Букурешкиот договор од 10 август 1913 година, а тоа злосторство против човештвото не застарува и кога и да е Атина ќе мора да плати репарации поради тоа.
It's an amazing film with extraordinary performances portraying a modern version of a greek tragedy about the annihilation of Greeks and Armenias of Smyrna which is now called Ismir. They say what really happened cannot be represented by any film no matter how harse that is!!!
Thank you for uploading this; the more the world sees this the more they can realize what the REAL PRICE was that was paid for turkey to become a "democracy"....hence this points to the inevitabilty of "setting right" historical "wrongs" by eternal remembrance of WHERE did one's ancestors come from!!
Before pop exchange in 1924.
There were 2 groups living who spoke greek and were muslim
1. A group of muslims in east Black sea region.
2. refugees of greece and crete
nobody else spoke greek.
There was also a group karamanli who lived in central anatolia they spoke turkish but were christian all of them were sent to greece.
Nickname997 1 year ago
This is really a pathetic propoganda made by brainwashed idiots.
In 1918 GREECE attacked the Turks not vice versa.
Greek army burned killed destroyed Turkish towns,villages and civilians and later Turks defeated the invading Greeks and the greeks fled to greece,
and later greeks started to make propoganda movies in which they are the victims. pathetic.
Nickname997 1 year ago
@Nickname997
I most agree with you. Only, it was Turks who were getting done with a 2,5 million strong Greek population out of a total 6,3 - 7,8mil Asianminors, including the Turks. Add to those Greeks 1.5mil Kurds and 500,000 Armenians, and you see who had legitimacy over the people and the territories of an alien Empire.
Arvanitarius 1 year ago
Question:
How many of them so called ''Turks'' of the time where really ''turkish'' and turanic / asian? Wheren't they mostly originate to a rather older Asianminorite (Greco-persian & Caucasio-armenoid) native people too? Wheren't they mostly comprising before of Christian Orthodox peoples and of a formerly Polytheistic and of an equally ancient Greek population?
Arvanitarius 1 year ago
@Arvanitarius When Greek army invaded Anatolia in 1918.
80% of the people who lived in West Anatolia were
TURKISH speaking and MUSLIM who NEVER wanted to live under the RULE of 20% of the population who were GREEK speaking and CHRISTIAN.
So the Turkish speaking muslims population of Anatolia has NOTHING to do with Greece and never wants to be part of Greece.
It is their own country.
Nickname997 1 year ago
@Nickname997 I need to remind you that most of Greek refugees coming from whatever today you might be calling Turkey were turkophones or bilingual, and not just greek-speaking like you re suggesting there. That also proves that native ethnic Greeks were a much stronger 'minority' then at that particular country which now you claim only for yourself. The 'Asia Minor' of the Ottomans did not resemble to a Turkey of the Generals of a much later time, of which you re talking about and have in mind.
Arvanitarius 1 year ago
Plus there were the moslem Greeks and the children of mixed marriages, like there is the history of the poorest of Ottoman subjects who got islamicized from even before. And, even before them there were the many more greek-speaking communities of a greek-speaking Byzantine Empire and the manier Rum-orthodox Greek-byzantine majority population of which you forget.
Arvanitarius 1 year ago
You 'd never call turkish the Greek-byzantine Romioi, or either those who 'd speak Roumtza & Pontic, those who your race had once called Romjun, Romaei, Roman'es, Romani, Aromani, Armanii, Armouni, Armenoi, Arnavout, Arnaoutas, Arvanitae, Arbanitas, Arbanatas, Arbeneshe, Arbereshe and so on. Most of, you forget to mention although they had also native and ancient or either medieval (i.e. Rum-byzantine) Greek origins too. I dont know about you, but I certainly can't call all of them ''Turk''._
Arvanitarius 1 year ago
@Arvanitarius What 6- 8million population? In 1927 in the first Turkish census the total population of Turkey was 13,6 million.(11 million Turks and the rest Kurds and other muslims)This census was AFTER the war! With very few christians remaining.
So according to you in1918-1927 ( in 10 years)the muslim population increased with 9-10 million people? In REALITY muslim and Turks DECREASED during the war. Anatolia was in 1914 not more than 25% christian. Greece itself was in 1914 10% Turkish
Nickname997 1 year ago
@Nickname997
You refer to a Turkish Sensus of 1927 and from then on. I refer to much earlier population Sensuses and to most official Ottoman Government data from prior to 1910. You should keep that on mind. And, even a 25% strong Christian population of which you refer to weren't a non-significant fact. But, even according to your data Anatolia is a much wider region than just Smyrna, Aidinio, Constantinoble & Pontus, plus the land from our coasts to EskiShekhir, Kioutacheia, AfionKarahisar..
Arvanitarius 1 year ago
At those particular regions, ethnic and native Greeks were not just 25% of the population, and neither were they minority settlers to their towns and villages. They were much more than that, and they were a native ethnic element too. At least, most of them at that time. And, they were not all of them greek-speaking and rum-orthodox, like you suggest.
Arvanitarius 1 year ago
@Arvanitarius 25 % is the total of all christian. Greeks were 10% of anatolia, rest armenians others.
there were cities and villages were greeks were majorities but they were like little islands. and in the total pop(together with surrounding villages and cities) there were less than 30%
Nickname997 1 year ago
@Arvanitarius write ethnic map asia minor 1911 in google image.
that will explain easy, but ofcourse that map isnt 100% reliable
Nickname997 1 year ago
@Arvanitarius I do not refer only to 1927censes, census in 1910 ,1870, and ottoman tax registers in 1520!!! show clearly that christians were a small minority, all european travellers who visited these regions throughout the ages said that greeks were a minority. But forget thinking anatolia was majority greek.
What todays is northern greece (macedonia region) was not even majority greek.
only 25-30%
Nickname997 1 year ago
The U.S. Congress should read the American Ambassador's "memoirs" during WWI.
He depicts the real horror of 2 million Armenian Orthodox Christians and another 2 million Greek Christians who were slaughtered, raped and remains thrown from trains.
Adolph Hitler took lessons from these monstrosities. History should acknowledge the loss of over 4 million of innocents by the Turkish ottoman muslim Hordes.
The Healing must begin with the Truth be told....
Veltanschaung 1 year ago
Μήπως γνωρίζει κανείς ποιός είναι ο εκπληκτικός ηθοποιός που υποδύεται τον Τούρκο λοχαγό Αλί Οσμάν ?
PATRIOTISA 2 years ago
It's a masterpiece I have uploaded the whole movie in youtube.4 million Greeks killed in Turkey
Admit the genocide even Germans did.But you are mostly like them both fascists,Don't believe the turkish propaganda.The genocide is one of their achievements.Imagine after they burnt the greek houses in Smyrna they were fishing the dead bodies from the sea to collect any valuable material...
MinorAsiaIsGreek 2 years ago
While your reference to Thessaloniki deserves more discussion it is a subject in itself and here we were talking about Smyrna. If you think the collateral of these incidents is a zero -sum game then the resulting war will happen in Kyphros on a much deadlier scale with worldwide reprecussions. The purpose of this movie is to learn from the past to avoid repeating it.
IanHunedoara8 3 years ago
YOU CAN WATCH IT ON
greek-moviesDOTcom
gauchokotso 3 years ago
tourkika zoa
saltadoros08 3 years ago 3
Giati prosvalleis ta zoa?lol
MinorAsiaIsGreek 2 years ago
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i m turkish. firstly i didnt realy understand what was subject of the clip. a man killed a man. the killer must be turkish and the victim is greek. so what? is the director trying to say is war is bad. come on this is very weak and meaningless clip. also no turkish calls like allahhh like he is calling. it is not a right stuation to call like that. sorry director, i didnt like it. make something like art....
erdsunset 3 years ago
I haven't seen the whole film so can't comment on whether it is any good or not, but as someone whose family had to flee Smyrna in 1922 I am obviously keen to discover whether my family's plight has been portrayed properly. Also although I think history is important, I think the best gift we can give the 1922 refugees is to ignore politicians and bring together the peoples of Greece and Turkey. We the people will get on well with each other if we can keep the satanic politicians off our backs.
leonidasfrangelakis 3 years ago
Kala pes mou oti kaneis plaka twra e.Nai na min akoume tous politikous,alla oxi kai filies me ta mpaza.Ksexnate mou fainetai elpizw na min xreiastei epanalipsi na sas to thymisei.Kourastika na fonazo
MinorAsiaIsGreek 2 years ago
a kurdish put a bomb
and kill your mother. so what?
saltadoros08 3 years ago
Friend, you have undergone completely secular upbringing in city urban setting and you have never witnessed Islamic Halal Tabighe with a large animal? The director is only portraying reconstruction form eyewitness accounts of survivors. Sometimes my friend, the truth hurts.
IanHunedoara8 3 years ago
Yes, you are right the truth hurts. My grandmother parents was killed in Thselaniko by some greeks. After that my grandmother was taken to Turkey when she was 4 years old. Yes the truth hurts.
erdsunset 3 years ago
For complete History of Thessaloniki read Salonica, City of Ghosts by Mark Mazower. This American scholar provides a complete history of the town from 1361thru 1950 and is considered the last word on objective history on that city. I have that book out from the library today and have just started reading it.
IanHunedoara8 3 years ago
Yes but unfortunately Turks still live in Thrace.We should have killed them 80 years ago.This is the biggest national mistake.Kill them exactly the way you killed us,4 million Greeks according to the population is 28 million Turks.This number must be accurate so we achieve the balance.
MinorAsiaIsGreek 2 years ago
you have two options, first go to Turkey, be friend with turks. have a nice dinner there, nice talks also maybe if you want have sex. second option go to doctor.. otherwise you ll be more sick.... if you countinue like this..
erdsunset 2 years ago
A nice dinner... Very astute. Possibly we can eat dinner together while Kurds are being shot for celebrating their New Year, or speaking their language. We can also open a bottle of wine and smile as we pretend the Armenian genocide never happened. Perhaps we can consume toxic meat at the local McDonalds as we say how wonderful it is that there is a new Empire to prostrate before. Now we are together as being victims of U.$. foreign policy. Let's passively drink to this as well. Analyze that.
Rabelaisiangoose 2 years ago
γραφω αυτο το σημειωμα γιατι ειχα την τυχη να συναντησω σημερα το μεσημερι στις 12.30 περιπου αναπαντεχα σε ενα πολυκαταστημα τον Νικο Κουνδουρο
σφιξαμε τα χερια δυνατα
του εξεφρασα την εκτιμηση και τον σεβασμο μου
και εκεινος με ευχαριστησε για την μεγαλη χαρα που του εδωσα
πραγματικα ηταν συγκινημενος
με ρωτησε για την καταγωγη μου για την Νικαια
για τους προσφυγες
μου εσφιγγε το χερι σταθερα δυνατα
ηταν μια συνατηση που θα την θυμαμαι
παντα
greekalphabet 3 years ago 2
Koundouros was not arrested beaten and thrown to a dark dangeon after this? Because if no then there is no Greece...
I beleive the memory of the Greek territories and lands and properties and mostly GREEK PEOPLE LIVES that were eaten from the turkish dog, the virus of the planet, are severelly insolted by this dump I-want-to-think-I-am-a-director waste of film cord...
SHAME SHAME SHAME...
angalagon 3 years ago
I am trying hard to not believe that this is a joke. It isn't, right? I mean I did the major mistake to watch all the movie. If you can call this shit a movie...
angalagon 3 years ago
Гетоизацијата и дискриминацијата на граѓанските и човековите права и слободи на Македонците по потекло во Грција не се техничко прашање, туку систематски и континуиран геноцид врз македонскиот народ кој Атина го спроведува од окупацијата на Беломорскиот дел на Македонија во балканските војни и со Букурешкиот договор од 10 август 1913 година, а тоа злосторство против човештвото не застарува и кога и да е Атина ќе мора да плати репарации поради тоа.
dekomakedon 3 years ago
MAKEDON MY ASS
saltadoros08 3 years ago 2
Amazing that this film was actually produced without the censors stopping it!
Now I'm going to search it out and supply our local libraries with it!
AthensAnna 3 years ago 2
Scariest video I've seen. Especially with the screaming homicidal fanatic.
IanHunedoara8 3 years ago 3
For those who wish to find a copy please check on Ebay, as I have often seen it being sold, and at a very cheap price also !
mackyv 3 years ago
Thanks for this vid. This is a forbidden film due to the fake "Greek-Turkish friendship". Someone upload the complete movie please!
twohandtap 3 years ago
I would love to buy this phenomenal film but where...not available on ebay in this country. We would need subtitles too. Have any ideas anyone?
aelialicinia 4 years ago
It's an amazing film with extraordinary performances portraying a modern version of a greek tragedy about the annihilation of Greeks and Armenias of Smyrna which is now called Ismir. They say what really happened cannot be represented by any film no matter how harse that is!!!
stefanosart 4 years ago 2
Thank you for uploading this; the more the world sees this the more they can realize what the REAL PRICE was that was paid for turkey to become a "democracy"....hence this points to the inevitabilty of "setting right" historical "wrongs" by eternal remembrance of WHERE did one's ancestors come from!!
luv4knowledge 4 years ago 2