see now to a non-Christian the Bible is not truth, but to a Christian the Bible is truth is it mathematically correct, historically correct, and even science cannot explain creation as even DNA is not even fully discoverd yet,e and it is indeed fact. Truth cannot disprove truth. If it does then truth is relative and nothing is wrong as long as it doesn't hurt another person. And it is just stupid to think of truth being relative.
we really are supposed to take of it and have dominion over it(Genesis 1:26-28). So really the creation according to David in the Psalms show God's glory in His creation and thus because of Genesis 1 we are supposed to take care of the earth and everything in it. Now man can go to a certain degree of destruction in the earth itself until it just gets pointless and meaningless.
A book says we're to take dominion... an ancient book by people who couldn't have known the consequences of it. Now if someone writes in a book that something is true, and the whole of history and truth shows that it's not true, you have to wonder why you'd hold to the book despite the evidence.
Christian author Brian McLaren's trilogy of books "New Kind of Christian" talks deeply about this in volume 2, "The Story We Find Ourselves In." Also see "Sins of Scripture" by Rev. John Shelby Spong
well I will indeed look into it, thanks. And I am pretty sure that we both agree to disagree on this. And when it comes down to it in the end we will find out who really knew the truth. Thank you for your time and insight and I hope that these conversations were beneficial to you as they were to me. I will be praying for you. God bless and show you His unconditional love always.
Keep in mind, nobody knows what lies hereafter, period. What I do know is that much of what's supposed to get me into heaven makes a mess here on earth. I can hardly see how one gets a reward for leaving this place a scorching mess! So the question I ask is, why are we destroying Creation to prove our love to the Creator?
The concept of earning an afterlife is increasingly being considered a non-Christian idea, I might also add. One added later into the philosophy.
One thing that I do agree with though in your video is that we do indeed cover up Jesus like it is wrong to think that He does indeed have a penis. Sometimes Christians are to worried about what others will think. And on your comment to jason. Paul says that the Romans did not necessarily kill Jesus but all of humanity did in that our sins, that is the reason that Christ died, were the reason that Christ died. It wasn't the Jews, the Romans, or anyone else but it was all of humanity and our sin
Yet you understand, I regard this as a myth to find the spiritual reason in why they say that. Not a literal historical statement. The Christ represented the connection between us all (which is what is really meant by "logos" all too often translated into "word"). That connection is killed everytime we fail to reach across, break the binds of prejudice. That is the sin. Not that I kill him if I break a rule in a book somewhere. Homosexuality didn't kill Christ. Bigotry towards homosexuals did.
Have you watched the full movie THE STUMBLING BLOCK yet? In it you will find a much better description of this. It is found on my website thestumblingblock*com, or on YouTube in pieces... 25 if I remember right.
That only begs the question... repent from what? In fact that's where things get confusing. Crucifixion is a vile insistence that people must repent from what the Romans were bigoted against. If anything it's bigotry we need to repent from. We're not bad people at all. We're just fine. The only true sin, as history proves, is intolerance, because it makes people crucify each other, invade cultures they don't approve of, etc. There's no one-right-way for people to live... or repent to.
So then what are your religious views and your belief in Christ? And this might not mean much to you but I am sorry for the so called Christians who fell that just because someone doesn't believe what they believe that they think that they have the right to take their rights away as you said. That is something that shows the difference b/w Christians and people who just call themselves Christians so that people don't talk to them about Jesus and religion in general.
I appreciate that. My religious views have been, and still are, a nonstop search for truth. I'm somewhat animistic, believing all things are connected somehow. This includes evolution, requires a very strong understanding of evolution and such. I am a member of a very eclectic and tolerant pagan family, none of which agrees with each other, but we celebrate our differences and are journeys. I know there is no one-right-way for people to live. I believe strongly in diversity. And Big Bird. (j/k)
so then no one comes to the saving knowledge of Christ because of convicted hearts and a desire to know the man that gave His life for them so that they can have a personal relationship with God?
Follow the dialog, sweetie. You said nobody comes to Christ by fear, that they all come by conviction. I said they come in many different ways. Some by fear, some by all that crap that you just said, some to get girls (don't laugh, they do). There are many ways people get suckered into... I mean, come to believe in Christ.
Just as there are many ways to beleive in him. Many of you believe in his philosophy. Many of you are bigots who bash non-christians and take my rights away.
first, people do not come to Christianity because of guilt but more like conviction for the death and the suffering that Christ took for them. Second, where did you get that info on the family thingy just wondering.
People "come to Christ" for a huge variety of reasons, many of which do in fact include guilt and fear. Many end up Christian because it is beaten into them by family, through such fear sometimes, and other times through constant "gentle" teachings which are often nothing more than passive-aggressive guilt-tripping.
The tale of the Oppenheimer family however is one that is frequently told in Wicca courses. The credits of this film should include source.
That it is a beautiful myth (though not an original one) which gives us some interesting philosophies... I don't agree with all of them, but I do like many of them.
Have you searched for any actual historical evidence of jesus? Doesn't seem to be any! The historians of the time in Rome, Palestine, Galilee, etc. never mentioned a word of a miracle worker/prophet/messiah! HMMM...
There were also many other legendary virgin birth/miracle worker/resurectionists at the time in other cultures. HMMM...
And: I thought that you got a hypocritical bum rap in DJ's forum.
No evidence whatsoever. This has been a growing realization by scholars worldwide, but only recently did it hit huge press, with releases by J.M. Robertson ("Pagan Christs"), Christopher Freke & Peter Gandy ("The Jesus Mysteries, and others), and has found itself converting former fundies like Tom Harpur ("The Pagan Christ") who chronicled the growing realization beautifully.
I humbly thank you for your support from the Jensen-ophile cult. Stick around, the fun's just started!
dude! u know your stuff! i've been sharing this with people for years! i'm subscribing to u. hope u do to me also so i can turn people on to your stuff. 5 starz
Ah thank you buddy... my laptop's screen shattered, so I don't get to a computer very often. Sorry for the delay. Hopefully I'll be able to fix it soon and get back to the evil that I do on here and on my site.
yep, great video. so true. nice stain - it gives you credibility. i like that. too busy caring about substance than to care about appearance. the stain gets my seal of approval.
Uggggg, thanks for this honesty...what a horrible way to go! I have to agree with your comments on how stupid and evil Christians have been. I am a missionary kid myself...grew up in PNG...
Indeed ★★★★★
Katalyzt 2 years ago
just because someone calls themself a christian dosent mean that they are a christian
jhnchp6 3 years ago
So stop calling yourself one. Start showing me his actual teachings in action. I find more Christianity practiced by pagans.
rwSpider 3 years ago
you reap what you sowe. Just remember that author!
ksuzuk600 3 years ago
Not always. Pat Robertson, after all, reaps millions and millions off of diamonds in mines that his slaves sow.
But when what I'm sowing here is truth... I'll be happy to see a real reward for truth, for ONCE in history. Usually though, truth is assassinated.
rwSpider 3 years ago
see now to a non-Christian the Bible is not truth, but to a Christian the Bible is truth is it mathematically correct, historically correct, and even science cannot explain creation as even DNA is not even fully discoverd yet,e and it is indeed fact. Truth cannot disprove truth. If it does then truth is relative and nothing is wrong as long as it doesn't hurt another person. And it is just stupid to think of truth being relative.
itstherehi 3 years ago
we really are supposed to take of it and have dominion over it(Genesis 1:26-28). So really the creation according to David in the Psalms show God's glory in His creation and thus because of Genesis 1 we are supposed to take care of the earth and everything in it. Now man can go to a certain degree of destruction in the earth itself until it just gets pointless and meaningless.
Why do you hold to the belief of Evolution?
itstherehi 3 years ago
A book says we're to take dominion... an ancient book by people who couldn't have known the consequences of it. Now if someone writes in a book that something is true, and the whole of history and truth shows that it's not true, you have to wonder why you'd hold to the book despite the evidence.
Christian author Brian McLaren's trilogy of books "New Kind of Christian" talks deeply about this in volume 2, "The Story We Find Ourselves In." Also see "Sins of Scripture" by Rev. John Shelby Spong
rwSpider 3 years ago
well I will indeed look into it, thanks. And I am pretty sure that we both agree to disagree on this. And when it comes down to it in the end we will find out who really knew the truth. Thank you for your time and insight and I hope that these conversations were beneficial to you as they were to me. I will be praying for you. God bless and show you His unconditional love always.
itstherehi 3 years ago
Keep in mind, nobody knows what lies hereafter, period. What I do know is that much of what's supposed to get me into heaven makes a mess here on earth. I can hardly see how one gets a reward for leaving this place a scorching mess! So the question I ask is, why are we destroying Creation to prove our love to the Creator?
The concept of earning an afterlife is increasingly being considered a non-Christian idea, I might also add. One added later into the philosophy.
rwSpider 3 years ago
One thing that I do agree with though in your video is that we do indeed cover up Jesus like it is wrong to think that He does indeed have a penis. Sometimes Christians are to worried about what others will think. And on your comment to jason. Paul says that the Romans did not necessarily kill Jesus but all of humanity did in that our sins, that is the reason that Christ died, were the reason that Christ died. It wasn't the Jews, the Romans, or anyone else but it was all of humanity and our sin
itstherehi 3 years ago
Yet you understand, I regard this as a myth to find the spiritual reason in why they say that. Not a literal historical statement. The Christ represented the connection between us all (which is what is really meant by "logos" all too often translated into "word"). That connection is killed everytime we fail to reach across, break the binds of prejudice. That is the sin. Not that I kill him if I break a rule in a book somewhere. Homosexuality didn't kill Christ. Bigotry towards homosexuals did.
rwSpider 3 years ago
Have you watched the full movie THE STUMBLING BLOCK yet? In it you will find a much better description of this. It is found on my website thestumblingblock*com, or on YouTube in pieces... 25 if I remember right.
rwSpider 3 years ago
why are we so bad??why lord please help us to repent
jason5880 3 years ago
That only begs the question... repent from what? In fact that's where things get confusing. Crucifixion is a vile insistence that people must repent from what the Romans were bigoted against. If anything it's bigotry we need to repent from. We're not bad people at all. We're just fine. The only true sin, as history proves, is intolerance, because it makes people crucify each other, invade cultures they don't approve of, etc. There's no one-right-way for people to live... or repent to.
rwSpider 3 years ago
So then what are your religious views and your belief in Christ? And this might not mean much to you but I am sorry for the so called Christians who fell that just because someone doesn't believe what they believe that they think that they have the right to take their rights away as you said. That is something that shows the difference b/w Christians and people who just call themselves Christians so that people don't talk to them about Jesus and religion in general.
itstherehi 3 years ago
I appreciate that. My religious views have been, and still are, a nonstop search for truth. I'm somewhat animistic, believing all things are connected somehow. This includes evolution, requires a very strong understanding of evolution and such. I am a member of a very eclectic and tolerant pagan family, none of which agrees with each other, but we celebrate our differences and are journeys. I know there is no one-right-way for people to live. I believe strongly in diversity. And Big Bird. (j/k)
rwSpider 3 years ago
so then no one comes to the saving knowledge of Christ because of convicted hearts and a desire to know the man that gave His life for them so that they can have a personal relationship with God?
itstherehi 3 years ago
Follow the dialog, sweetie. You said nobody comes to Christ by fear, that they all come by conviction. I said they come in many different ways. Some by fear, some by all that crap that you just said, some to get girls (don't laugh, they do). There are many ways people get suckered into... I mean, come to believe in Christ.
Just as there are many ways to beleive in him. Many of you believe in his philosophy. Many of you are bigots who bash non-christians and take my rights away.
Many ways.
rwSpider 3 years ago
first, people do not come to Christianity because of guilt but more like conviction for the death and the suffering that Christ took for them. Second, where did you get that info on the family thingy just wondering.
itstherehi 3 years ago
People "come to Christ" for a huge variety of reasons, many of which do in fact include guilt and fear. Many end up Christian because it is beaten into them by family, through such fear sometimes, and other times through constant "gentle" teachings which are often nothing more than passive-aggressive guilt-tripping.
The tale of the Oppenheimer family however is one that is frequently told in Wicca courses. The credits of this film should include source.
rwSpider 3 years ago
so what do you truly believe then about Christ?
itstherehi 3 years ago
That it is a beautiful myth (though not an original one) which gives us some interesting philosophies... I don't agree with all of them, but I do like many of them.
rwSpider 3 years ago
Stumble,
Thanks for the clarifications.
Have you searched for any actual historical evidence of jesus? Doesn't seem to be any! The historians of the time in Rome, Palestine, Galilee, etc. never mentioned a word of a miracle worker/prophet/messiah! HMMM...
There were also many other legendary virgin birth/miracle worker/resurectionists at the time in other cultures. HMMM...
And: I thought that you got a hypocritical bum rap in DJ's forum.
Thanks for keeping our eyes open!
entro
entropious88 3 years ago
No evidence whatsoever. This has been a growing realization by scholars worldwide, but only recently did it hit huge press, with releases by J.M. Robertson ("Pagan Christs"), Christopher Freke & Peter Gandy ("The Jesus Mysteries, and others), and has found itself converting former fundies like Tom Harpur ("The Pagan Christ") who chronicled the growing realization beautifully.
I humbly thank you for your support from the Jensen-ophile cult. Stick around, the fun's just started!
rwSpider 3 years ago
dude! u know your stuff! i've been sharing this with people for years! i'm subscribing to u. hope u do to me also so i can turn people on to your stuff. 5 starz
davidbrucemusicvideo 3 years ago
Ah thank you buddy... my laptop's screen shattered, so I don't get to a computer very often. Sorry for the delay. Hopefully I'll be able to fix it soon and get back to the evil that I do on here and on my site.
rwSpider 3 years ago
your right an stuff, but you could do it with out all that 'making fun' stuff!
plastig002 3 years ago
your right an stuff, but you could do it with out all that 'making fun' stuff!
plastig002 3 years ago
yep, great video. so true. nice stain - it gives you credibility. i like that. too busy caring about substance than to care about appearance. the stain gets my seal of approval.
greenrevolutionary 4 years ago
Uggggg, thanks for this honesty...what a horrible way to go! I have to agree with your comments on how stupid and evil Christians have been. I am a missionary kid myself...grew up in PNG...
hdelicious 4 years ago
Thank you for that... it's time we fill the world with truth and honesty since so much of the alternative makes the airways, eh?
rwSpider 4 years ago