PART 2 of 2 - Niten Ichiryu Musashi - Kai Kendo Seminar 2008

[kanvrn]

Сколько много глупой истеричности и вообще безграмотности.

[ARTkendou]

ん？1:00あたりに映っている変わり塗りの胴の人の名前…

「興武会 狂犬 Mad dog」って・・・おいっ！www

[fellbeast17]

Favourtite waza. i use it every practise 4:09

[SmileFacePal]

Oh how I miss kendo...

What's the piece in the background? It makes every conversation I have intense and I love it.

[Wolfsbane909]

nice to see what he wrote applied, its a useful technique for sure!

[lordronin593]

well, at the moment I am reading "the book of five rings", and when observing small matters such as foot placement, this is all very different. You can see everyone standing on their front foot and toes, whereas he emphasises the heel being in contact with the floor, being of major importance. I am wondering, what has really been passed by him in a direct lineage? Or are people using the name of his school just because of the two swords involved? Can someone answer this? thanks.

[walatalalaw]

@lordronin593 I read the book of five rings as well (a little while ago, so it's not so fresh). The one thing I remember though is that it is based on using every advantage you've got to win. that's why he uses two swords. Usualy martial arts evolve after time. having practiced kendo as well as amateur "no rules" sword fighting, I've experienced that being on your toes enables a faster reaction, and so maybe niten ichi ryu evolved a little, while still keeping the notion of advantage.

[walatalalaw]

@lordronin593 (second post) I'm not sure why musashi says you should stand on your heels as well, I'm not sure if he explains why in his book. it would be worth comparing, in theory and in actual combat, to see what is better. It would be strange that he recommends changing your stance to a less appropriate stance though.... since almost all of his training came from actual combat, It would be kind of weird. maybe these people practices kendo before niten ichi ryu, and kept their kendo habits

[Arteanor]

@lordronin593

not sure who ran this seminar... but there IS a direct transmission... the school is alive... koryu com's writeup:

Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu

Systems: kenjutsu (odachi, kodachi, nitto)

Date founded: early Edo period (ca. 1640)

Founded by: Miyamoto Musashi Fujiwara Genshin, 1584-1645

Present representative/headmaster: 11th soke Iwami Toshio Gensho

Primarily located in: Oita

[AlanMolstad]

from what I see in this video, the guys in blue were helpless to stop the 2-sword attack.

How would you go up against a guy who is good with two swords?

What is the key thing to remember as you stand there?

[Gilmaris]

@AlanMolstad

Were we watching the same video???

[korea7891]

it will interesting that many white people are practicing kendo which is cool! I have many white friends and they hate kendo! They think kendo is a stupid martial art, and i know that isn't true. I think, only Vancouver has less kendo dojos..... Can one of your sensei come to Vancouver and teach people want to learn kendo in Vancouver!

[tandatokita]

anyone who does not really know what is kendo shouldn't shout loud as an idiot...

[Shadowfury]

and what kind of knowledge and expertise do u know about kendo from a wannabe Japanese person living in Vietnam? lololol

[tandatokita]

@Shadowfury : I dont really know axactly what u meant. I just didnt agree with the ideas that form Kendo as a sport or martial arts... I think Kendo is the Art, the history, the culture of Japanese.. not only a martial arts or sport

[jung567]

lol hello kitty tenugui 4:31

[hanzo1993]

I think this is very different than kendo with one single sword, this is more like an art, than a sport...

[kenshi1985br]

kendo isn't a sport.

it is very difficult to master a ones hand use of a katana, but people can do this...

shodai is a jodan kendoka and trains with a huge bokuto!!

and the objective of kendo is the ippon, the cut that kills assholes!!

maybe u may try to train kendo instead of speaks of it

[jung567]

well my friend it really is a sport but u can try and use it in combat but its ur choice...

[kenshi1985br]

I'm not saying that i will try to fight with kendo waza.

it is way better to buy a gun...

kendo is a do, a "way" in japanese.

u can practice as a sport, but it's your practice.

[almoroth]

@jung567 Any practitioner of kendo, or kenjutsu who would condone using either for combat in todays world is a complete idiot. There is nothing more to it.

[jung567]

i know but only an idiot does that i know and im not those idiots you know

[almoroth]

@jung567 Never meant to accuse you of it.

[almoroth]

@kenshi1985br

Kendo can be a martial art, or a sport depending on how you approach it. It does not, however, teach you how kenshi used to fight. Kenjutsu will teach you that.

[jung567]

yea, i tried a niten ichiryu seminar in california. it was pretty sweet, except for the bruise on the arm. too bad i kinda forgot how to fight with that style again T__T im hoping i might be able to after i get 1 dan Currently: 1 kyu XD

[JuniKLee]

ohhh your pretty close there

[jung567]

now im 1 dan yay!!!!

[dh10au]

Thank you for a well edited and enjoyable post. I, for one, found this to be very interesting.

[ryuta1000]

すごいです

二刀流あこがれ

[Ryokushindo]

Im a little disapointed that when the double wield that they hold the longest shinai very low on the handle. It makes it look like a "touch" game. With a real katana in hand, they would not hold it like this.

[Rouisu]

You do realise that they're not strictly meant to hold the daito at the end of the tsuka? You can hold hold it near the tsuba if that's what you want. It's just that katate waza is better performed with the hand grasping the end of the shinai.

You mentioned that a 'real' katana wouldn't be held like this. Shinai are not katana. I'm inclined to believe that you don't practice kendo, because you made very thoughtless comments.

-Nito kendoka from Australia

[Darc90]

It's next to impossible to fight with it if you don't hold near the end of the shinai, try for yourself if you happen to find one somewhere. Btw, even when you only use one sword, it's the hand furthest down that does all the work, the other is merely for stability. Which makes me pretty sure that a real katana would be handled in the same way.

[dalaeck]

No, that's not true at all. Check out any Niten-Ichi-ryu Kenjutsu and you'll find they never hold the sword by the very bottom of the handle.

You've never held a katana, or cut a target it's clear.

Kendo is a sport, it's good and fun but it's not sword fighting.

[Darc90]

>dalaeck

Sorry, but you are wrong. While its true that I've never held a katana in my live, I do have practised kendo with shinai and bokken. It's a very common beginners misstake to use the upper (right) hand instead of using your lower (left) hand for power. If you still do not believe me, please check out:

*jaerik.tatersalad[dot-org]/ja­panese/Kendosite/main[dot-html­]

*stingersquad[dot-com]/kendo_b­asics[dot-html]

*Men_(kendo) @ Wikipedia

[dalaeck]

I specified niten ichi ryu kenjutsu. That is to say two-sword kenjutsu, the sword is not held by the bottom of the handle, ever when in one hand. It is held close to the guard.

Your experience is correct for two hands on the sword, keep up your training.

[papageorgio123123]

ya in kendo (the sport), its obviously held at the end for a distinct advantage in distance. this is funny because Musashi himself said that considering anything an advantage will get u killed. Also if u held a real sword at the end with one hand, unless u are a freak of nature and have wrists of steel there is no way u can follow through with a powerful cut, because u have no leverage. and with two hands ....

[papageorgio123123]

with hands u should not consider that the power only comes from the back hand. to do that would take ur mind off the other hand which is necessary to work in unison with the back hand to create the leverage needed to cut through bone. these msgs are a response to darc90 and dalaeck's comments

[dalaeck]

You're perfectly correct papgeorgio. Furthermore a good cut, comes from the shoulder. Some few kendoka still use proper cutting motion but in general it has become a sport of taping. That doesn't mean it's bad, there are lots of fine aspects to modern kendo, it's just not realistic sword fighting simulation.

[bryonfionn]

This is a correct assessment. As a kendoka, I can assure that Kendo is structured towards combat in the sport setting. It is very difficult to use a steel sword with one hand at the end of of the tsuka, both from the standpoint of strength and control. However, since the objective of the kendo strike is snap, not cutting power, The mechanical advantage of leverage is less important than wrist action and holding a shinai farther up the handle limits the maximum range of motion.

[JcOne86]

Hello Mate!

The music is from "The Last Samurai" ost :)

[aweneri]

I enjoyed seeing this video. Great pleasure for me. Can you give me details about the music which is beautiful. Thanks a lot.

[aweneri]

Thank you, JCOne for your answer. Merci Mille fois... :-)

[JohnKenPo]

I am fascinated by Nito-ryu Kendo, so on that level I'm just so in awe; but then to see all the smiles, and the spirit of generosity, I feel so lucky to have ever trained. :D

[krakolongi]

This is sooo cool!! I love this.

[limeblack]

3:53 = =

[SwordWiazard]

HaHaHaha :0!

[oshiyama77]

You had better learn it from American ITOKAZU.

[mannbe2288]

これは酷い！日本剣道の恥だ!!!

[neilnito]

Mannbe, I'm very interested how long have you been speaking on behalf of the Japanese nation?

[mannbe2288]

aho nihonngode kake!

gaijinnniiltutennjyane-yo!

kusoshitechinnkodemoijiltutero­

[neilnito]

I see you have a kind nature as well.

[mannbe2288]

iyamika?

[Dartagnangb83]

oh you're clever too...

[kogai]

Niten Ichiryu? I'm afraid this is Nito kendo, not Niten Ichi ryu.

[ThePaceBros]

This highlight video only shows a portion of the events that took place on that weekend. There were other classes and instruction besides what you see here.

[Mitzrael19]

this is nito kendo, but putting on practice the knowledge you got doing HNIR as long as kendo ruling allows you.

[mekugi]

@kogai Yeppers...that's a fact. :)