they tried pulling this windmill shit in my hometown on the next street over from me,guess what,people united & shot it down,took 3 years but no windmills here,windmills = Scams
@evelskunny1 *Wind turbines. Wind mills do not generate electricity. Wind turbines are not scams. Please explain how they are. I see wind power work every day.
I happen to live in the catskills near where this doc was shot. I see people saying lets look at what they are doing overseas, in Germany or on the west coast in America. There is no comparison. The mountains and valleys of upstate NY are so close together. These huge turbines will not work for the catskills!!!!!!!!! There are so many other options for the catskills!!! Make solar more affordable. Harness the power of all the rivers in the area. Lets go people.
Its like Gasland. Except instead of toxic and life threatening chemicals in the air and the water, its some noise and and shadows. These poor, poor people.
“People says the sound is like sneakers in the dryer or a threshing plant or a jet that never lands,” she said. “If you close the windows and doors to keep out the noise, things are still going to vibrate.”
The tips of the turbine blades can reach speeds of 150 mph, killing lots of migrating birds. Meanwhile the air-compression effect makes bats’ lungs explode
Could the Wind Turbines of Chile Harm Blue Whales?
Time AARON NELSEN
Wind turbines are increasingly recognized as a lethal hazard for birds, but some scientists now think they're also harmful to marine life. From half a mile away, the whooshing turbines emit an acceptable noise level of around 50 decibels; but if some of the Ecopower turbines are placed as close as 10 meters from the shoreline, they say, levels for ocean life could approach if not exceed a more harmful 100 decibels.
@RandomVersion 440,000 birds a year killed by wind turbines. Thats alot right? Nope. 500 million killed by cats, 57 million by cars, and 97.5 million killed by collisions with plate glass. So they dont kill alot of birds.
I think most people are judging this film too harshly based on assumptions about the film's intent. It isn't demonizing wind power, but rather demonstrating how through corporate greed and local negligence, it can be destructive- while at the same time taking an honest look at the legitimate flaws in this form of energy that could possibly be fixed.
Think of it as a movie that is trying to make wind power better, and eliminating the corrupting influence of Goldman Sachs.
I'm wondering, is everyone here complaining about wind turbines happens to be North Americans? I'd like to hear a German or Dutch or other Europeans comment on wind turbines. They have been living with these turbines for over a decade. They should have more experience with these arguments than North Americans.
Windmills are BS. They kill birds and bats and destroy the natural beauty of a landscape. We should be drilling until tech makes alternate energy sources viable. Not forcing ourselves to do insanely stupid and expensive things in the rush to some fantasy panacea.
I can't tell if you're a troll, or just really stupid/naive. Fossil fuels have so many subsidies that they're thought to be cheaper than wind. Actually wind-generated electricity is only 2.5-6 cents/kWh, depending on the site (bigger is cheaper). Fossil fuels are 4.5-6 cents per kWh. In most, cases wind is actually cheaper. Besides that, fossil fuels are just so freaking healty for the enviroment (In case you actually are stupid, I'm being sarcastic.).
@redbeakman Windmills do kill birds, but less than one for every 10,000 killed by human activities. Buildings/windows kill 5500 per 10,000. So when are we going to get rid of the buildings?
@JonathanXLindqviust Please research before you post. Wind turbines account for less than 1% of bird AND bat kills each year. By your logic we should object to housecats, buildings and cars.
WTF - I simply don't see the conflict? What exactly was the downside again? Some think it ruins the view? That's it?!?! Well cry me a river! Have they ever seen what an oilfield looks like? Do they know how the ocean view gets ruined by offshore oil wells... Not to mention the environmental danger? What the fuck is wrong with these idiots? Maybe they prefer a nuclear power plant in their back yard?
Are you kidding me? Someone went out of their way to make a movie to convince us that wind power is worse than oil and coal? If this isn't funded by the oil, coal, nuclear industry, or the republican party, I guess we might as well stop using electricity all together. Run for the mine shafts! It's shadows of fan blades! It's the end of the world!
Jesus Christ, Americans have to be the biggest complainers on Earth. They complain that oil and natural gas is bad and won't let let drilling but yet they cry about high gas prices and buy oil from foreign countries. They don't want to allow nuclear, hydro and coal either. Now everyone complains about wind energy?! What's next? are the idiots from Hollywood gonna come out with a movie saying solar is bad?! Yet everyone wants power for their smart phones and apples products! Hypocrites!
And don't you think that the problem was putting these things right beside where people live? I don't see any other problem. Can you imagine a nuclear plant right in the middle of a town? Or an oil refinery in the middle of that same place?
Blame the retards who thought that putting a wind farm in that place was a good idea, not the wind farm energy in general.
Spain is top notch in wind farms and doesn't have these ridiculous problems.
Oh NO THEY DID NOT. A hit piece on clean energy? They are now doing HIT PIECES ON CLEAN ENERGY. These guys astound me. If we engineered a 100% clean, 100% carbon-free over-unity device the size of a toaster that sat in a dark closet and produced 1 gigawatt per second from now until infinity THEY WOULD RUN A HIT PIECE ON IT. You know why? Because they can't profit off it.
This movie is fuckin retarded and likely paid for by anti-environmentalists. That town should quit their bitchin. It aint about money. It's about your inability to tolerate some noise and inconvenience for the betterment of the planet.
I think vertical wind turbines will eventually solve this problem as they are built more compact and take up less space. There are still a lot of research being done on the physics and efficiency of them though. Aside from that, this documentary seems to only focus on a small amount of people who are complaining about something they allowed to be put on their property. Also, reminds me of GasLand's tactics even though gas drilling poses a more dangerous threat towards the environment and people.
I understand that living near a turbine can at times be off putting from the size and structure and occasional noise, but what fucking whiners these people seem to me, America uses a third of all the worlds electricity and produce very little, and in a world where wars are being started, and people being killed to control the supply of oil these people don't want to hear a lil noise. What happened to the idea of making concessions, and shared sacrifice.
"Someone got crazy because of the shadow of the wind turbine!!!! RUN!! It's a conspiracy!! wind turbines are here to drive us crazy!!! Kill'em with fire!"
I just viewed this amazing documentary today. Too many people posting on here are seeing it as -- industrial wind vs. nuclear, or industrial wind vs. coal. The problem is energy is used too wastefully in our modern world. We are energy hogs. Why isn't energy reduction emphasized, as well as focusing on off-grid solutions? Nuclear fission is a very dangerous way to generate electricity. Wind farms wreck nature & don't provide much usable energy. Small hydro and local solar are less harmful.
Talk is not enough, if you dont want them around an example has to be made, there will be no wind turbines built near me. I am not alone one this either. These sites will have to be guarded by something better then the Canadian military if they want them built here
@Rock09i "How much does it cost to build a nuke these days? 20-30 billion?"
Actually there are actually a number of companies Hyperion, NuScale, TerraPower (which is backed by Bill Gates) and Babcock & Willcocks that are putting out small, mass-producible, cost competitive modular nuclear power reactors.
@Rock09i hahaha, you make me laugh, do you live between a couple of those turbines? near some, can even see them from your home? Thought not! I am near the latest ones and in the area of a proposed site. They dont belong near people homes, weather they want them or not. Go stand outside the setback distance of one on a regular day, imagine living with that sound all the time, all day, all night. Not to mention, as they age, they get LOUDER!
Trust me, Oil and Coal companies aren't upset about wind farms... a wind turbine is, what, 30 to 40 tons of steel? Guess what? Steel factories aren't powered by solar panels or windmills. They are powered by oil and coal. Which is then delivered and built by machines that run on oil. The coal and oil companies are laughing all the way to the bank when they see a wind farm go up.
Bird & bat kills aren't the only issue with turbines vs. wildlife.
Turbine noise and shadow-flicker is mainly framed in the context of how it affects people, but countless animals are surely being driven nuts by the unnatural intrusions. Animals tend to have more sensitive hearing and edgier fear-responses than people. Why is that aspect barely discussed?
It's already been observed that some animals simply leave an area that has turbines, further diminishing their shrinking habitat.
Yeah - we should just stick with coal - *facepalm*. I live in Upstate New York and have driven through this area - it's not that bad at all and if they don't like the idea of one in their yard, they should read before they sign. People gripe about pollution or the price of gas but don't want the slightest inconvenience when transitioning to alternative (and better) options. Zero sympathy.
The robots from the hijacked green movement claim "big oil" conspiracy when the truth comes out about industrial wind turbines.
Here in Ontario the big wind developers are TransAlta, Enbridge, Suncor, etc...some guys developing the oil sands. Quit being idiots and start opening your mind to the truth.
Ever wonder why it's oil and gas companies that erect industrial wind turbines? Because they cannot function independent of fossil fuels. They are taking advantage of people's ignorance of how the grid operates. If the energy is not stored to be used when needed it must be paired with fossil generation - this increases our depency on fossils, not reduce their need. The fossil of choice? Natural gas. This movie should be seen in conjunction with GasLands.
@moonveil01 Yes, this is the situation today, bu tit need not be tomorrow. And in the meantime every MWh of fossil-generated electricity that we can spare is a victory. I don't see how this increases our dependency on fossil generation.
The wind farm industry cannot exist without massive subsidies of taxpayer cash. It also requires mandates for electricity consumers to buy the power generated at above market prices. The intermittent nature of the wind means that traditional power sources have to be kept on line since oil, gas or coal fired plants cannot be started instantaneously. Wind is too variable to be considered a reliable power source.
@BeachPatriot That's why we need to redirect the subsidies to the fossil fuel industry - yeah, they're quite huge - towards investment in storage technology (e.g. car batteries, molten sand) and to build a smart grid that can distribute electricity from where the wind is blowing (and the sun is shinig) to where it isn't.
@BeachPatriot even at low wind speeds, a small farm can produce 100MW. We can't rely on wind energy for constant power throughout the day, however all the wind farms i know of are heavily researched for constancy of wind, so basically on rare occasion there is no power, but I would say it is consistent enough to be a reliable source.
There are a lot of comments about the film trailer. Please go see the film. At the very least, it's educational for people on all sides of the issue. Until you've seen the entire film, please keep your comments to yourself.
@plooger If wind energy is efficient, then why aren't coal plants shutting down? Denmark has 6000 of these things and has never shut a coal plant down. They are incredibly inefficient, costly, damaging to both bats and humans and actually create more co2. They're 100% political. And they weren't saying they were fast at the end...doyyyy.
Please email me. I am conducting a survey, on survey monkey, as a volunteer university project. I can not post the link here; email me and I can forward it to you.
Why cannot there be a positive documentary on wind turbines? I have worked with them and near them for the past year in Chatham Ontario... The so called wind turbine syndrome is myth. David Suzuki proved it...
Search on Google "david suzuki wind turbines". The first link proves syndrome is myth. Also they don't spin at 150 MPR no need to think about it... Notice at 1:46 they are loud, then at 1:40 you hear wind, I know how to sound edit too alright...
@DanK00707 this coming from someone who is financially compensated by the wind industry. No bias there. As for David Suzuki proving there is not WTS, did he interview the residents living with wind turbines? Did he actually conduct a survey with these people or better still an epidemiological study? NO! The industry and all of it's shills like David Suzuki all refer to 3 studies done in Europe which actually showed a dose response to the noise and stated more research needed to be done.
@DanK00707 The noise from the turbines are exactly as the film shows. I live with 24 of the industrial monsters surrounding my house and that is exactly the problem, the noise comes in and goes out in a matter of seconds. People should also know that there is a whole aspect of noise derived from turbines that are not well understood. Also, since there is not real scientific methodology out there that is accepted by gov't agencies for measuring noise.
@DanK00707 yeah I can only hear the turbines when I am close to them. In this situation it was the developer who planned the site, and the poor judgement of the people in the community who made this farm fail. I know that the farm in Ridgetown is accepted, and I hope that most of them are!
When will this be released? I want to see this but cant. Have you considered leaking it to the bittorrent community? I feel the message is important enough to freely distribute this documentary.
LOL man these people are stupid. "mechanical Structures" yeh so are buildings so are bridges. thats a dodgy developer though building next to these houses, any good developer does shadow flicker testing.
Ouch, credibility of the whole video is eroded by the final scene, where the turbines are spinning ultra-fast... because the video had been sped-up. (look at the cloud shadows along the ground)
Inefficient? Wow, tough to get much more efficient than converting wind into electricity. No need to dig into the earth on a continual basis to feed the beast. How about that, then; rather than the wind turbines, how about mountaintop removal and fracking techniques at the turbine locations?
the point is that it is totally inefficient compared to something MUCh better. do we really want millions of giant wind turbines to go up around the world? is this really the answer? starting to look stupid to me......put them in desolate places, but not near homes and towns.
you guys are clueless....think about it, one Nuclear power plant can create more energy than 10's of thousands of these turbines....there is NO comparison. is a nuclear power plant ugly? sure, but it doesn't compare to a vast sea of wind turbines!
@TheMarkinaustin Yeah, including the destructive power. I mean nuclear power, pishah, yeah, it can be pretty destructive, but imagine what happens when a bunch of blades from the turbines come to life and start raping and pillaging our country!
It's not that a nuclear power plant is ugly; It's that the Plutonium created from the power plant is highly radioactive for a stupidly long period of time. I'm not saying Wind Turbines are good, nor am I saying they're bad; There are drawbacks to almost every type of energy, though. The only one I can think of at the moment without a drawback is Solar, but I'm sure that has it's negatives too.
@TheMarkinaustin umm, i'm sorry but the definition of clueless is someone who hasn't done any research to make their claims and decides to make those claims anyway. Modern wind turbines can have a stated output of 5MW and an average output when well placd of 2MW. Now a nuclear power plant has around 1GW. This ends up being around 500 wind turbines, not 10's of thousands. With the emerging industry of off-shore wind power plants, you won't even have to see the turbines. OWNED!!
@lisitsamic Theres no off shore going on here in Southren Ontario. They have started wth this, and they arent showing signs of stopping. we fought to keep themOUT of the water becasue it destroys our beaches, and they are now taking over the landscape and agriculture.
@TheMarkinaustin, nuclear fusion is the holy grail of energy but it always seems just out of reach. More nuclear fission plants seem risky but I'd grudgingly accept them over a turbine-wrecked landscape.
@TheMarkinaustin Err, no?! Those are probably 2.5 MW turbines, meaning a nuclear power plant can produce as much 400 of these things. What it CAN produce is 10's of thoudeands times as much dead bodies and cancer. Great job!
@sheijan Not generally diagreeing with you but...1 GW is the average output of one reactor block but several power plants have multible blocks. The one nearest my place has two blocks with an output of 1.4 GW and 0.8 GW respectively.
That said, I wonder who spreads this "10s of thousands" BS. It's not the first time I heard that. I talked with a guy about solar and somebody told him you would need 40% of the US land surface to power NY when in truth 1.5% would power all of the USA...
I hope this documentary and others like it will finally expose wind energy for what it truly is, the biggest scam of this century. Anyone who believes wind energy is a positive addition to the grid is either a criminal or an idiot. Never in my whole life have I encountered something so evil, disguised as something so good. Thanks Laura for caring about the rural communities who are threatened by these industrial invasions. Your documentary will help us in our fight to expose the truth.
It seems to be a True Story. The Turbines are useful to generate electricity. We need them. But we don't need them next to our house. People o agreed to have these eolic parks next to their houses were naive
I made a documentary about wind energy 6 years ago as my journalism school thesis. We went upstate and filmed interviews with the first windfarmers in NY, and saw these things first hand. From the trailer, it sound like this PARTICULAR town was taken advantage of, but it's naive to think that this problem is somehow specific to wind energy - look at where any power plant gets built. A single story does not equal a trend. Watch my documentary: vimeo . com/7790326
One more thing- I would LOVE to know how much money the director Laura Israel received to make this film. I hope enough, she won't be very credible as a documentary film maker after this movie.
Let me say from first hand experience, after living in both Germany and the Netherlands for 2 years now, farmers welcome their own wind turbines - they put the huge structures, often times, close to their homes. It helps them in every way to maintain their livelihood and it helps the environment. I have never once heard such silly complaints. This movie is REALLY propaganda, whoever those 'real families' are that they are filming - seem to be quite unintelligent and naive. Its sad.
I'm afraid that energy conservatists are going to use this seemingly well-produced documenatry as an argument against the whole wind energy industry – whick would be disastrous for mankind! I mean, obviously the windmills create problems for neighbours living right next to them, but the very majority, surely above 90% (I don't have a figure but i hav common sense) of planned wind farms will be built very far from the nearest house. And maybe the view isn't as important as the planet?
@isakssontim Please explain to me how turbines are saving the planet. Without fossil fuel backup, they cannot exist. Because they are so erratic and inefficient, the latter are also inefficient trying to shadow them. As for indicating that the majority are built far from houses and those that are built too close making a handful of people suffer is in essence is alright, suggests a mindset of an "econut" where people are no longer the focus of environmental policy.
@ruralgrubby Well. obviously they can't save the planet on their own, but they're a part of the solution. Yes, they need fossil fuel backup (today) and this can't be done very efficient (today) but the net use of fossil fuel still decreases. Investments in renewable technology, for example by redirecting fossil fuel subsidies, and in smart grid technology can improve this situation, and attempts to stop turbines IN GENERAL halter these welcome developments.
@ruralgrubby People are no longer the focus? I would argue that wind turbines are way better for the absolute majority of people (don't forget to consider people living in the developing world now suffering from climate change the developed countries started and continue to cause) than alternatives such as coal and, in the long term, nuclear.
@isakssontim Your common sense is based on the lack of understanding of the scientific methodolgy, and the lack of critical thinking. Try putting the numbers to the wind industry claims and see what you get. No proof that it will reduce GHG emissions, a handful of "green" jobs we are subsidizing, no shut down of coal generation, no real reliable electrical generation needed for a modern society. Studies in Spain, Denmark and Italy have shown a loss of jobs due to their green initiatives.
@ruralgrubby What studies? And in considering jobs lost, if any, one must also count jobs lost in the future due to climate change. An impossible task, surely, but one worth considering for argument's sake. And is it really right to conserve "dirty" jobs for some people in the developing world when people elsewhere have to suffer for it?
@donotfeedthetroll have you watched the film? It does not look like big oil propaganda to me, in fact it is not. It criticises oil and gas industry also. Some of the points in the film i know to be true.
@pukabowersm, I agree. The idea that if you're anti-wind you must be pro-oil is completely simpleminded. Both have major downsides.
The root problem is that there are too many people on the planet (perhaps 5 billion too many, according to carrying-capacity studies) and their total needs are too great to exist in balance with nature. The real question is how many people can the Earth support indefinitely, while maintaining quality of life. Wind turbines are just one symptom of physical overload.
@donotfeedthetroll, many people fully understand the problem with oil (like the fact that production is peaking), but also respect the land too much to blindly favor wind turbines or massive solar farms. It's ridiculous to frame it as just oil vs. wind.
I'd actually like to see more hydro dams (within limits) vs. more wind turbines, since dams at least create natural-looking features.
Solar panels on every existing man-made surface that can handle them seems like the biggest no-brainer.
Wow are you people serious? This video is horribly skewed. The arguments presented in the comments here against wind are pathetic.
guitargod1815 1 week ago
wow i did not think they would put them that close to them wow so bad
rendubot 2 weeks ago
they tried pulling this windmill shit in my hometown on the next street over from me,guess what,people united & shot it down,took 3 years but no windmills here,windmills = Scams
evelskunny1 2 weeks ago
@evelskunny1 *Wind turbines. Wind mills do not generate electricity. Wind turbines are not scams. Please explain how they are. I see wind power work every day.
guitargod1815 1 week ago
I happen to live in the catskills near where this doc was shot. I see people saying lets look at what they are doing overseas, in Germany or on the west coast in America. There is no comparison. The mountains and valleys of upstate NY are so close together. These huge turbines will not work for the catskills!!!!!!!!! There are so many other options for the catskills!!! Make solar more affordable. Harness the power of all the rivers in the area. Lets go people.
BetterOffGroup 3 weeks ago
Green Energy not very friendly.....
wind-watch(.)org
RandomVersion 3 weeks ago
Its like Gasland. Except instead of toxic and life threatening chemicals in the air and the water, its some noise and and shadows. These poor, poor people.
Dursty87 3 weeks ago
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Green energy not so friendly
The answer's not blowing in the wind
By Paul Mulshine/The Star Ledger 2/12/12
“People says the sound is like sneakers in the dryer or a threshing plant or a jet that never lands,” she said. “If you close the windows and doors to keep out the noise, things are still going to vibrate.”
The tips of the turbine blades can reach speeds of 150 mph, killing lots of migrating birds. Meanwhile the air-compression effect makes bats’ lungs explode
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RandomVersion 3 weeks ago
Could the Wind Turbines of Chile Harm Blue Whales?
Time AARON NELSEN
Wind turbines are increasingly recognized as a lethal hazard for birds, but some scientists now think they're also harmful to marine life. From half a mile away, the whooshing turbines emit an acceptable noise level of around 50 decibels; but if some of the Ecopower turbines are placed as close as 10 meters from the shoreline, they say, levels for ocean life could approach if not exceed a more harmful 100 decibels.
RandomVersion 3 weeks ago
@RandomVersion 440,000 birds a year killed by wind turbines. Thats alot right? Nope. 500 million killed by cats, 57 million by cars, and 97.5 million killed by collisions with plate glass. So they dont kill alot of birds.
Dursty87 3 weeks ago
I think most people are judging this film too harshly based on assumptions about the film's intent. It isn't demonizing wind power, but rather demonstrating how through corporate greed and local negligence, it can be destructive- while at the same time taking an honest look at the legitimate flaws in this form of energy that could possibly be fixed.
Think of it as a movie that is trying to make wind power better, and eliminating the corrupting influence of Goldman Sachs.
supafly345 3 weeks ago 6
I'm wondering, is everyone here complaining about wind turbines happens to be North Americans? I'd like to hear a German or Dutch or other Europeans comment on wind turbines. They have been living with these turbines for over a decade. They should have more experience with these arguments than North Americans.
TheEnoculator 1 month ago
Windmills are BS. They kill birds and bats and destroy the natural beauty of a landscape. We should be drilling until tech makes alternate energy sources viable. Not forcing ourselves to do insanely stupid and expensive things in the rush to some fantasy panacea.
redbeakman 1 month ago
@redbeakman Great, I hope they build a coal/oil power planet next to your house, it doesn't hurt a fly and magnifies natural beauty.
Same goes for open top coal mines. And British Petrolium - bringing oil to American shores.
You know what - best criminalize electricity, live in harmony with nature like people from the 1600's and die from old age when you're 45 like them.
coleloto 1 month ago
@redbeakman Youre a fucking idiot.
guitargod1815 1 week ago
I can't tell if you're a troll, or just really stupid/naive. Fossil fuels have so many subsidies that they're thought to be cheaper than wind. Actually wind-generated electricity is only 2.5-6 cents/kWh, depending on the site (bigger is cheaper). Fossil fuels are 4.5-6 cents per kWh. In most, cases wind is actually cheaper. Besides that, fossil fuels are just so freaking healty for the enviroment (In case you actually are stupid, I'm being sarcastic.).
Source: U. S. Dept. of Energy
neurocell83 1 week ago
@redbeakman Windmills do kill birds, but less than one for every 10,000 killed by human activities. Buildings/windows kill 5500 per 10,000. So when are we going to get rid of the buildings?
Source USDA Forest Service
neurocell83 1 week ago
WTF man! They dislike it bcoz its MONSTROUS!...It makes noise.
What generators do? Do they come with silencer? This is a joke, nothing else.
Everything has pros and cons, so make documentary and movie's on them is not a good idea.
willywood22 1 month ago
@willywood22 there are also a lot of associated health problems involved with wind turbines.
JaysCyYoung1 1 month ago
lol adios oil!
depro9 1 month ago
these people all need to die. Who gives a shit about go green. if you belive this go green bull shit your fuckin stupid
horror3112 1 month ago
@horror3112 Wow. You are a fucking asshole.
cochranexyz 1 month ago
I guess you could say these people aren't big fans of big fans.
TheEpicEditChannel 1 month ago 11
GREAT SCOTT! you say the turbines cant produce 1.21 gigawatts!?!?!?!?!?
alanchapla 1 month ago 2
It's funny, because Windmills slaughter Bats like nothing else, more than 20 times more than the amount of birds they kill.
But nobody mentions this.
JonathanXLindqviust 1 month ago 2
@JonathanXLindqviust Please research before you post. Wind turbines account for less than 1% of bird AND bat kills each year. By your logic we should object to housecats, buildings and cars.
guitargod1815 1 week ago
Put these structures along major highways that will get the RPM's going.. Wind power is good power you want Nukes, Gas?? nope mikey
champion1531 1 month ago
WTF - I simply don't see the conflict? What exactly was the downside again? Some think it ruins the view? That's it?!?! Well cry me a river! Have they ever seen what an oilfield looks like? Do they know how the ocean view gets ruined by offshore oil wells... Not to mention the environmental danger? What the fuck is wrong with these idiots? Maybe they prefer a nuclear power plant in their back yard?
davezuls 1 month ago
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Are you kidding me? Someone went out of their way to make a movie to convince us that wind power is worse than oil and coal? If this isn't funded by the oil, coal, nuclear industry, or the republican party, I guess we might as well stop using electricity all together. Run for the mine shafts! It's shadows of fan blades! It's the end of the world!
MadeUThink 1 month ago
Jesus Christ, Americans have to be the biggest complainers on Earth. They complain that oil and natural gas is bad and won't let let drilling but yet they cry about high gas prices and buy oil from foreign countries. They don't want to allow nuclear, hydro and coal either. Now everyone complains about wind energy?! What's next? are the idiots from Hollywood gonna come out with a movie saying solar is bad?! Yet everyone wants power for their smart phones and apples products! Hypocrites!
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ViolettaHolthaus 1 month ago
@claykiller2010 Well said. I think the most laughable thing about this doc. is "wind turbine syndrome." Get out of here. Bullshit.
MannequinTalker 1 month ago
so...LEts GO sOLAR !!!!
pavlos20m 1 month ago
Back to the future quote
midnightmxp42 1 month ago
Lmfao
midnightmxp42 1 month ago
What the hell is a gigawatt?
midnightmxp42 1 month ago
so lame... which conservative funded this?
Doghnov 1 month ago
And don't you think that the problem was putting these things right beside where people live? I don't see any other problem. Can you imagine a nuclear plant right in the middle of a town? Or an oil refinery in the middle of that same place?
Blame the retards who thought that putting a wind farm in that place was a good idea, not the wind farm energy in general.
Spain is top notch in wind farms and doesn't have these ridiculous problems.
This film is ridiculous.
heffeque 1 month ago 2
Oh NO THEY DID NOT. A hit piece on clean energy? They are now doing HIT PIECES ON CLEAN ENERGY. These guys astound me. If we engineered a 100% clean, 100% carbon-free over-unity device the size of a toaster that sat in a dark closet and produced 1 gigawatt per second from now until infinity THEY WOULD RUN A HIT PIECE ON IT. You know why? Because they can't profit off it.
coachdrew82 1 month ago 2
This movie is fuckin retarded and likely paid for by anti-environmentalists. That town should quit their bitchin. It aint about money. It's about your inability to tolerate some noise and inconvenience for the betterment of the planet.
BuzzLiteBeer 1 month ago 2
Where can i watch this movie?!??
chall1i 1 month ago
I think vertical wind turbines will eventually solve this problem as they are built more compact and take up less space. There are still a lot of research being done on the physics and efficiency of them though. Aside from that, this documentary seems to only focus on a small amount of people who are complaining about something they allowed to be put on their property. Also, reminds me of GasLand's tactics even though gas drilling poses a more dangerous threat towards the environment and people.
youcantmakeit 1 month ago 2
I understand that living near a turbine can at times be off putting from the size and structure and occasional noise, but what fucking whiners these people seem to me, America uses a third of all the worlds electricity and produce very little, and in a world where wars are being started, and people being killed to control the supply of oil these people don't want to hear a lil noise. What happened to the idea of making concessions, and shared sacrifice.
RealBigVideos 1 month ago 3
@RealBigVideos oh, and I live by two wind turbines, they power half my town
RealBigVideos 1 month ago
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oh is life stuff USA ;) U Complain too much, here in Denmark they are everywhere u get used to it.
TheITRATE 1 month ago
"Someone got crazy because of the shadow of the wind turbine!!!! RUN!! It's a conspiracy!! wind turbines are here to drive us crazy!!! Kill'em with fire!"
bostria 1 month ago 3
Documentary produced by oil companies. Throwing shit to alternative energies.
bostria 1 month ago 3
There has got to be a better way of making new energy. Putting these big terbines on our land next to homes is not a way to live.
endofworldpovertycor 3 months ago
I just viewed this amazing documentary today. Too many people posting on here are seeing it as -- industrial wind vs. nuclear, or industrial wind vs. coal. The problem is energy is used too wastefully in our modern world. We are energy hogs. Why isn't energy reduction emphasized, as well as focusing on off-grid solutions? Nuclear fission is a very dangerous way to generate electricity. Wind farms wreck nature & don't provide much usable energy. Small hydro and local solar are less harmful.
strawberryseason 4 months ago
Hey Maisylea,
Yes I live 1.2km from two 2.3 MW monsters and I hear them maybe 10 days a year (but not in my home) There are two more 1.8 kms away.
So far it's been a quiet experience with no intrusion on our lives. Thats why I had to respond to this film.
Add up all the costs of a nuclear plant (water, insurance for a disaster, decommisioniong and storage of waste for 500 years, and get back to me.
R09
Rock09i 5 months ago 3
Talk is not enough, if you dont want them around an example has to be made, there will be no wind turbines built near me. I am not alone one this either. These sites will have to be guarded by something better then the Canadian military if they want them built here
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inthecountry1973 5 months ago
Ah their fucking stupid Ugly things
MsTsarbomba 5 months ago
We had a good experience in Ontario with wind farms. Well, planned, adequate setbacks equals a great project.
To TheMarkAustin, How much does it cost to build a nuke these days? 20-30 billion? More expensive per MW than wind.
Rock09i 6 months ago
@Rock09i "How much does it cost to build a nuke these days? 20-30 billion?"
Actually there are actually a number of companies Hyperion, NuScale, TerraPower (which is backed by Bill Gates) and Babcock & Willcocks that are putting out small, mass-producible, cost competitive modular nuclear power reactors.
RaySquirrel 5 months ago
@Rock09i hahaha, you make me laugh, do you live between a couple of those turbines? near some, can even see them from your home? Thought not! I am near the latest ones and in the area of a proposed site. They dont belong near people homes, weather they want them or not. Go stand outside the setback distance of one on a regular day, imagine living with that sound all the time, all day, all night. Not to mention, as they age, they get LOUDER!
Wind power is good, just not around people.
maisylea 5 months ago
Fantastic film..I live by a turbine inFalmouth MA,,. This is exactly what happened here and all over the country..
suehobartutube 7 months ago
Trust me, Oil and Coal companies aren't upset about wind farms... a wind turbine is, what, 30 to 40 tons of steel? Guess what? Steel factories aren't powered by solar panels or windmills. They are powered by oil and coal. Which is then delivered and built by machines that run on oil. The coal and oil companies are laughing all the way to the bank when they see a wind farm go up.
jbraly 7 months ago
I have a solution: change it for a nuclear plant and all their problems will be solved ;)
MarquisChantdamour 8 months ago
Bird & bat kills aren't the only issue with turbines vs. wildlife.
Turbine noise and shadow-flicker is mainly framed in the context of how it affects people, but countless animals are surely being driven nuts by the unnatural intrusions. Animals tend to have more sensitive hearing and edgier fear-responses than people. Why is that aspect barely discussed?
It's already been observed that some animals simply leave an area that has turbines, further diminishing their shrinking habitat.
Antithropocentric 8 months ago
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Antithropocentric 8 months ago
They are planing on bringing wind turbines to my small down. We don't need them!!!
WinkieShow 8 months ago
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coachdrew82 1 month ago
Yeah - we should just stick with coal - *facepalm*. I live in Upstate New York and have driven through this area - it's not that bad at all and if they don't like the idea of one in their yard, they should read before they sign. People gripe about pollution or the price of gas but don't want the slightest inconvenience when transitioning to alternative (and better) options. Zero sympathy.
NonProphet312 9 months ago
The robots from the hijacked green movement claim "big oil" conspiracy when the truth comes out about industrial wind turbines.
Here in Ontario the big wind developers are TransAlta, Enbridge, Suncor, etc...some guys developing the oil sands. Quit being idiots and start opening your mind to the truth.
moe1462 9 months ago
Ever wonder why it's oil and gas companies that erect industrial wind turbines? Because they cannot function independent of fossil fuels. They are taking advantage of people's ignorance of how the grid operates. If the energy is not stored to be used when needed it must be paired with fossil generation - this increases our depency on fossils, not reduce their need. The fossil of choice? Natural gas. This movie should be seen in conjunction with GasLands.
moonveil01 9 months ago
@moonveil01 Yes, this is the situation today, bu tit need not be tomorrow. And in the meantime every MWh of fossil-generated electricity that we can spare is a victory. I don't see how this increases our dependency on fossil generation.
isakssontim 9 months ago
The wind farm industry cannot exist without massive subsidies of taxpayer cash. It also requires mandates for electricity consumers to buy the power generated at above market prices. The intermittent nature of the wind means that traditional power sources have to be kept on line since oil, gas or coal fired plants cannot be started instantaneously. Wind is too variable to be considered a reliable power source.
BeachPatriot 9 months ago
@BeachPatriot That's why we need to redirect the subsidies to the fossil fuel industry - yeah, they're quite huge - towards investment in storage technology (e.g. car batteries, molten sand) and to build a smart grid that can distribute electricity from where the wind is blowing (and the sun is shinig) to where it isn't.
isakssontim 9 months ago
@isakssontim No, that's just another rathole for taxpayer cash. These rentseekers will stop at nothing to be feeding at whatever trough is available.
BeachPatriot 9 months ago
@BeachPatriot even at low wind speeds, a small farm can produce 100MW. We can't rely on wind energy for constant power throughout the day, however all the wind farms i know of are heavily researched for constancy of wind, so basically on rare occasion there is no power, but I would say it is consistent enough to be a reliable source.
bassblair11 8 months ago
There are a lot of comments about the film trailer. Please go see the film. At the very least, it's educational for people on all sides of the issue. Until you've seen the entire film, please keep your comments to yourself.
rabbe7000 11 months ago 3
@rabbe7000 i kind of agree, i have watched the film.
pukabowers 10 months ago
@plooger If wind energy is efficient, then why aren't coal plants shutting down? Denmark has 6000 of these things and has never shut a coal plant down. They are incredibly inefficient, costly, damaging to both bats and humans and actually create more co2. They're 100% political. And they weren't saying they were fast at the end...doyyyy.
metamech 1 year ago 2
@metamech Maybe because Denmark's total energy demand has risen also? How do they creat more CO2?
isakssontim 9 months ago
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Thanks.
DanK00707 1 year ago
Why cannot there be a positive documentary on wind turbines? I have worked with them and near them for the past year in Chatham Ontario... The so called wind turbine syndrome is myth. David Suzuki proved it...
Search on Google "david suzuki wind turbines". The first link proves syndrome is myth. Also they don't spin at 150 MPR no need to think about it... Notice at 1:46 they are loud, then at 1:40 you hear wind, I know how to sound edit too alright...
DanK00707 1 year ago
@DanK00707 this coming from someone who is financially compensated by the wind industry. No bias there. As for David Suzuki proving there is not WTS, did he interview the residents living with wind turbines? Did he actually conduct a survey with these people or better still an epidemiological study? NO! The industry and all of it's shills like David Suzuki all refer to 3 studies done in Europe which actually showed a dose response to the noise and stated more research needed to be done.
ruralgrubby 9 months ago
@DanK00707 The noise from the turbines are exactly as the film shows. I live with 24 of the industrial monsters surrounding my house and that is exactly the problem, the noise comes in and goes out in a matter of seconds. People should also know that there is a whole aspect of noise derived from turbines that are not well understood. Also, since there is not real scientific methodology out there that is accepted by gov't agencies for measuring noise.
ruralgrubby 9 months ago 2
@DanK00707 yeah I can only hear the turbines when I am close to them. In this situation it was the developer who planned the site, and the poor judgement of the people in the community who made this farm fail. I know that the farm in Ridgetown is accepted, and I hope that most of them are!
bassblair11 8 months ago
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DanK00707 1 year ago
When will this be released? I want to see this but cant. Have you considered leaking it to the bittorrent community? I feel the message is important enough to freely distribute this documentary.
scalor 1 year ago
LOL man these people are stupid. "mechanical Structures" yeh so are buildings so are bridges. thats a dodgy developer though building next to these houses, any good developer does shadow flicker testing.
petervel 1 year ago
Ouch, credibility of the whole video is eroded by the final scene, where the turbines are spinning ultra-fast... because the video had been sped-up. (look at the cloud shadows along the ground)
Inefficient? Wow, tough to get much more efficient than converting wind into electricity. No need to dig into the earth on a continual basis to feed the beast. How about that, then; rather than the wind turbines, how about mountaintop removal and fracking techniques at the turbine locations?
plooger 1 year ago
Do your homework, wind turbines are NOT green energy.
suzabella101 1 year ago
the point is that it is totally inefficient compared to something MUCh better. do we really want millions of giant wind turbines to go up around the world? is this really the answer? starting to look stupid to me......put them in desolate places, but not near homes and towns.
TheMarkinaustin 1 year ago
Looks great Laura, can't wait to see it. I missed it in Toronto but hope to catch it soon. Great to meet you in Toronto and good luck with the film.
thepipethefilm 1 year ago
you guys are clueless....think about it, one Nuclear power plant can create more energy than 10's of thousands of these turbines....there is NO comparison. is a nuclear power plant ugly? sure, but it doesn't compare to a vast sea of wind turbines!
TheMarkinaustin 1 year ago 17
@TheMarkinaustin Yeah, including the destructive power. I mean nuclear power, pishah, yeah, it can be pretty destructive, but imagine what happens when a bunch of blades from the turbines come to life and start raping and pillaging our country!
arthereld 1 year ago
@TheMarkinaustin
It's not that a nuclear power plant is ugly; It's that the Plutonium created from the power plant is highly radioactive for a stupidly long period of time. I'm not saying Wind Turbines are good, nor am I saying they're bad; There are drawbacks to almost every type of energy, though. The only one I can think of at the moment without a drawback is Solar, but I'm sure that has it's negatives too.
LeonRosefire 8 months ago
@TheMarkinaustin
On the contrary, I think Nuclear plants are beautiful.
tuttt99 8 months ago
@TheMarkinaustin I wonder if the people living near Fukushima feel as positively about Nuclear Energy as you do?
popdandos 8 months ago
@TheMarkinaustin umm, i'm sorry but the definition of clueless is someone who hasn't done any research to make their claims and decides to make those claims anyway. Modern wind turbines can have a stated output of 5MW and an average output when well placd of 2MW. Now a nuclear power plant has around 1GW. This ends up being around 500 wind turbines, not 10's of thousands. With the emerging industry of off-shore wind power plants, you won't even have to see the turbines. OWNED!!
lisitsamic 8 months ago
@lisitsamic Theres no off shore going on here in Southren Ontario. They have started wth this, and they arent showing signs of stopping. we fought to keep themOUT of the water becasue it destroys our beaches, and they are now taking over the landscape and agriculture.
harley22x 6 months ago
@TheMarkinaustin, nuclear fusion is the holy grail of energy but it always seems just out of reach. More nuclear fission plants seem risky but I'd grudgingly accept them over a turbine-wrecked landscape.
Antithropocentric 7 months ago
@TheMarkinaustin Err, no?! Those are probably 2.5 MW turbines, meaning a nuclear power plant can produce as much 400 of these things. What it CAN produce is 10's of thoudeands times as much dead bodies and cancer. Great job!
sheijan 1 month ago 3
@sheijan Not generally diagreeing with you but...1 GW is the average output of one reactor block but several power plants have multible blocks. The one nearest my place has two blocks with an output of 1.4 GW and 0.8 GW respectively.
That said, I wonder who spreads this "10s of thousands" BS. It's not the first time I heard that. I talked with a guy about solar and somebody told him you would need 40% of the US land surface to power NY when in truth 1.5% would power all of the USA...
PeterK1984 1 month ago
@sheijan ancient environmentalist b.s. new nuke plants are safe.
wayfarin 1 month ago
Yeah these poor people with their wind turbines in there backyard. Pity because they should have gotten a nuclear reactor instead.
Sifinland 1 year ago
@Sifinland agreed
FutureStudy 1 year ago
I hope this documentary and others like it will finally expose wind energy for what it truly is, the biggest scam of this century. Anyone who believes wind energy is a positive addition to the grid is either a criminal or an idiot. Never in my whole life have I encountered something so evil, disguised as something so good. Thanks Laura for caring about the rural communities who are threatened by these industrial invasions. Your documentary will help us in our fight to expose the truth.
ericrus1 1 year ago
It seems to be a True Story. The Turbines are useful to generate electricity. We need them. But we don't need them next to our house. People o agreed to have these eolic parks next to their houses were naive
Jmscavaleiro 1 year ago
I made a documentary about wind energy 6 years ago as my journalism school thesis. We went upstate and filmed interviews with the first windfarmers in NY, and saw these things first hand. From the trailer, it sound like this PARTICULAR town was taken advantage of, but it's naive to think that this problem is somehow specific to wind energy - look at where any power plant gets built. A single story does not equal a trend. Watch my documentary: vimeo . com/7790326
VocabSushi 1 year ago
One more thing- I would LOVE to know how much money the director Laura Israel received to make this film. I hope enough, she won't be very credible as a documentary film maker after this movie.
realramonaz 1 year ago
Let me say from first hand experience, after living in both Germany and the Netherlands for 2 years now, farmers welcome their own wind turbines - they put the huge structures, often times, close to their homes. It helps them in every way to maintain their livelihood and it helps the environment. I have never once heard such silly complaints. This movie is REALLY propaganda, whoever those 'real families' are that they are filming - seem to be quite unintelligent and naive. Its sad.
realramonaz 1 year ago
I'm afraid that energy conservatists are going to use this seemingly well-produced documenatry as an argument against the whole wind energy industry – whick would be disastrous for mankind! I mean, obviously the windmills create problems for neighbours living right next to them, but the very majority, surely above 90% (I don't have a figure but i hav common sense) of planned wind farms will be built very far from the nearest house. And maybe the view isn't as important as the planet?
isakssontim 1 year ago
@isakssontim Please explain to me how turbines are saving the planet. Without fossil fuel backup, they cannot exist. Because they are so erratic and inefficient, the latter are also inefficient trying to shadow them. As for indicating that the majority are built far from houses and those that are built too close making a handful of people suffer is in essence is alright, suggests a mindset of an "econut" where people are no longer the focus of environmental policy.
ruralgrubby 9 months ago
@ruralgrubby Well. obviously they can't save the planet on their own, but they're a part of the solution. Yes, they need fossil fuel backup (today) and this can't be done very efficient (today) but the net use of fossil fuel still decreases. Investments in renewable technology, for example by redirecting fossil fuel subsidies, and in smart grid technology can improve this situation, and attempts to stop turbines IN GENERAL halter these welcome developments.
isakssontim 9 months ago
@ruralgrubby People are no longer the focus? I would argue that wind turbines are way better for the absolute majority of people (don't forget to consider people living in the developing world now suffering from climate change the developed countries started and continue to cause) than alternatives such as coal and, in the long term, nuclear.
isakssontim 9 months ago
@isakssontim Your common sense is based on the lack of understanding of the scientific methodolgy, and the lack of critical thinking. Try putting the numbers to the wind industry claims and see what you get. No proof that it will reduce GHG emissions, a handful of "green" jobs we are subsidizing, no shut down of coal generation, no real reliable electrical generation needed for a modern society. Studies in Spain, Denmark and Italy have shown a loss of jobs due to their green initiatives.
ruralgrubby 9 months ago
@ruralgrubby What studies? And in considering jobs lost, if any, one must also count jobs lost in the future due to climate change. An impossible task, surely, but one worth considering for argument's sake. And is it really right to conserve "dirty" jobs for some people in the developing world when people elsewhere have to suffer for it?
isakssontim 9 months ago
more propaganda from big oil
donotfeedthetroll 1 year ago 5
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dbjackson 1 year ago
@donotfeedthetroll And propanganda from wind companies?
fcac20 1 year ago
@donotfeedthetroll have you watched the film? It does not look like big oil propaganda to me, in fact it is not. It criticises oil and gas industry also. Some of the points in the film i know to be true.
pukabowers 10 months ago 3
@pukabowersm, I agree. The idea that if you're anti-wind you must be pro-oil is completely simpleminded. Both have major downsides.
The root problem is that there are too many people on the planet (perhaps 5 billion too many, according to carrying-capacity studies) and their total needs are too great to exist in balance with nature. The real question is how many people can the Earth support indefinitely, while maintaining quality of life. Wind turbines are just one symptom of physical overload.
Antithropocentric 7 months ago
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Antithropocentric 8 months ago
@donotfeedthetroll, many people fully understand the problem with oil (like the fact that production is peaking), but also respect the land too much to blindly favor wind turbines or massive solar farms. It's ridiculous to frame it as just oil vs. wind.
I'd actually like to see more hydro dams (within limits) vs. more wind turbines, since dams at least create natural-looking features.
Solar panels on every existing man-made surface that can handle them seems like the biggest no-brainer.
Antithropocentric 8 months ago
This looks really interesting!
ecp2014 1 year ago
Those things make cell phone towers look quaint and adorable.
allthebest501 1 year ago
Mixed feelings on this movie
connor356 1 year ago