THE ONLY problem capitalism has is when fucking no brained arrogant bastard SOCIALISTS/LIBERAL DEMOCRATS get in office and screw up the system. Your socialist Hellhole in the EU is falling apart from debt. You say particular WORDS just ANYWHERE out loud over there the fucking THOUGHT POLICE ARREST YOU. You got to jail for SPEAKING.
You can take your B.S. and cram it up your ass where it belongs. I''m not getting into a debate with foolishness AGAIN. READ A TRUE HISTORY BOOK. No government ones.
Stalin was fachist big difference, The only true free people are the one's that live free of American Imperialism, False Democracy, and Religion I.E. socialist countries
I see alot of post labeled spam which are NOT spam. Seems there is Socialism being practiced right here in this commentary by some anti-free speech BASTARD. Even if it's a moron defending socialism let's see it unless it's spam so the moron can be embarrassed with logic and commentary. I see more labeling of anti-socialist posts, however. There's an ignorant little cowardly prick here somewhere.
@007CTHULHU007 your brand of free speech is trying to convince everyone "oh capitalism is such a great beautiful"... if you dont like socialism then so come here to this song? obviously its not for you. may be you are one of those tea party morons, your own homepage says so, brand of an ignorant lil brat who loves to fire artilleries from his coach.
@KOGR11 It's not great and beautiful. It CAN be great and beautiful and it certainly is a sustainable working system.
My brand of Free Speech is allowing everyone to speak no matter the idiocy of their views."Even if it's a moron defending socialism let's see it unless it's spam"
I'm a Conservative. That's all I am. You insulting political organizations you dislike is nothing new or impressive or smart.
You, my little boy child are just another troll. Why don't you come back when you lean more.
@007CTHULHU007 Capitalism is hardly sustainable, if not for the occaisional sacrifice of blood by the working class whenever the economy faces a bust. Was it the democrats or Obama who got you in that debt in the first place?
You are in a pure dreamland coughing up socialist/liberal conspiracies.. seriously get some education. FDR wasnt the only one to adopt keynisian model, look at sweden's recovery during those years.. or is it too socialist for you?
@KOGR11 Give me a break. Give me some facts rather.
BOTH got us in debt in the first place.
You truly are a Google troll. You don't acknowledge history. Up until the war and threat of war life was HELL in America due to people like FDR. Sweden isn't the United States. The entire EU is a socialist political governing system..at the moment, because the sheeple over there keep electing them or maybe they steal elections like some liberals/socialists over here.
@007CTHULHU007 Oh yes just paint that "I am a conservative" on your forehead so everyone understands your reluctance to sound logical and deny historical facts and replacing them with biased opinions set up just to defend your position, whether factual or not.
Look at your own messages before, a whole page was covered with your messages and "opinions" on a video about socialism which might very well be a parody, who is the troll here? then again you cant be more than an infant.
@KOGR11 You are a TRUE liberal troll. Conservatism is LOGIC and COMMON SENSE. Two things liberals/socialists and communists do not have in the LARGE part. Deny historical facts? I made not denials I STATED historical fact. You're using the infamous "TURN IT BACK ON HIM RIGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE" dumbassery liberal tactic of arguing.
Again...more of the "TURN IT BACK ON HIM TO MISDIRECT" tactic. You're fucking pathetic. LMFAO.
f u want to make everybody equal, u need a dictatorship. U need to cut the interest & rights of invididuals & take away their property. U need to abolish freedom and free speech of individuals. That's why all communist were dictators. Needed to be! And all these communists shithole WERE communist countries. We saw how well this systems worked politically and economically. I don't even know where they failed more spectacularly in the political or economical field.
talking in economic terms, it is also clear that communist economies must fail. This is clear in theory and spectacularly much more in practice. First top down planning by bureaucrats only can be highly inaccurate and unrealistic (see Mao's GLF), so extremely bad economic decisions are made. Second and more importantly, any private initiative and entrepreneurship is abolished which drives an economy. After all nobody cares about nothing. Why put efforts in sth if u don't get rewarded forit
No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitome of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
@joaquinveyron They can't name a successful communist government...because they do NOT EXIST. Only FOOLS are communists. It's been proven a FAILED system of government and anyone that doesn't see it is a complete and UTTER MORON...or a brainwashed weak minded sheep calling itself a human being.
How do you tell a communist? Well, it is someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-communist. Well, it is someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
@007CTHULHU007 Fuckhead, ALL communist countries were/are complete FUCK´-UPS, you fucking fool!! This is a direct and logic consequence outu of Marx. Don't give me this "communism never existed" bullshit. It was attempted 1000 times and failed spectactularly 1000 times. The reason why communism never existed according to your stupid wishful thinking is that it is an utopia. The nightmares and brutal dictatorships are a direct and logic consequence of communism.
@joaquinveyron What the fuck are you talking about? I AGREE. Where did you get I liked ANYTHING about Socialism OR Communism?
I think you've mistaken me for someone else or misread me totally. The ONLY government I'm for is Free Capitalism.
When I say "They can't name a successful communist government...because they do NOT EXIST." I MEAN nothing more than what you have just said. They have all FAILED and will continue to FAIL, because Communism is EVIL by concept and practice. Look closer next.
@007CTHULHU007 Das Kapital, Die Polit. Ökonomie, Das Manif der Komm PArtei ... all Marxist bullshit ...
"Surplus value" is another bullshit term invented by socialists. A widget's value and the value of the worker's labor who made the widget are 2 separate things. The widget has value to the end customer, and the worker's labor has value to his boss. There is a market for both widgets and labor, and the market sets the value for each of them.
@007CTHULHU007 The basis of Leninism, Marxism, Communism, Maoism, Chucheism, is what Marx wrote in his works Communist manifesto, Das Kapital, Kritik der Politische Ökonomie. The basis is that he defined as political goas 1) the abolition of private property and entrepreneurship, 2) classless society and 3) the equal distribution of the socially generated GDP. Therefore, the main natural enemy of communism is the freedom of the individual.
Why communism always ended (or already started) as a brutal dictatorship? That's obvious. Men are NOT equal. They are equal in terms of rights, yes. But not in terms of capabilities, motivation, efforts, talents, skills, character etc. You need a brutal dictator in order to hammer the doctrine of uniformism over individuality. If you want everybody to be equal you need to abolish individual rights. You need to control individuums by power. That's what happened everywhere COMMUNISM existed.
I knew someone would say this, which can t be more inaccurate. All these communist shitholes (USSR, China (30 yrs ago), East-Eur) were communist countries from the beginning. Lenin, who is regarded as the communist 'thinker', started terrorizing and killing people in the millions when he took power. In theory and practice you need a brutal dictatorship to shove the idiotic comm. ideology down the throat of people because none is so stupid to accept it freely. This is exactly what happend
I said nothing in support or advocation of damnable Communism or Socialism. Socialism is the stepping stone to Communism. Communism and Socialism have the same end goals they just go about it differently. Both are FLAWED and FAILED systems. Unfortunately some don't see it that way, because they have no knowledge of history...or much of anything else.
@007CTHULHU007 can't name a successful communist government because there has never been one... Communism is a Utopian society that will never work. THAT is why we must strive for Socialism. Simply because it is the next best system.
@JayceMearesShit The end goal of Socialism is exactly what Communism's goals are. "Utopian CONTROLLED "society". It is the nest WORST system. Please don't go there. Liberalism has been the name for Socialism in this country for far too long. Socialism does NOT work. A Free Market Capitalist government that is not interfered with as the U.S. has by Socialistic nonsense is the SOLE Best Choice and working government. Sustainable government. FREE government by the people for the people.
@JayceMearesShit I wouldn't say "doing great". In the case of France I'd say "hanging on by a thread". They are having to cut the socialist programs they put in effect in order to not bankrupt in many of those "socialist" Governments. Remember the riots in France? How about the riots in the U.K. ..or was it Ireland..doesn't matter. Same kind of Socialist governing. Breaking the government. Trying to put further controls on the people. The E.U. has the honest to God "Thought Police" .
@007CTHULHU007 at least the people of Europe continue to fight for a better life, socialist programs are a necessity the alternative is obedience to the corporate world at least with riots the real people punish the greedy for the screw overs IE the GFC
@cjhmmp Pure idiocy. I'm not in the mood to tolerate or debate fools. Sorry. History is the tool used to defeat BULLSHIT like you just spouted. I'm sure Germans thought they needed things from their government as well before and during WW II.
Socialist and Communism have the SAME end goals. Control and "perfection of STATE" of the people/sheeple. No more time for fools in this world. Be the fool. Be the sheep. Be the FOOL. I don't CARE.
@007CTHULHU007 oh really and capitalism is not out to control people, lol by the way Germans lol what do they have to do with this conversation, its plain and simple shit for brains capitalism is not a bad thing when its tempered by concern for the peoples well being and some socialist programs help to tame the greedy, selfish and immoral products of capitalism by balancing out the advantage given to the ruthless, greedy and selfish people under certain capitalist systems.
@007CTHULHU007 No political philosophy works with out a blending with other systems, capitalism without government over site and at the very least some socialism is disgusting and immoral, socialism without a strong democracy and government over site is a disaster.
a blind obedience for a particular system is a sign of fanaticism/idiocy so which of us is the fool, pure capitalist or the mind that identity's good and bad in all puristic systems and advocates a blending of the good aspects of all
@007CTHULHU007 Oh yea look at Lenin's gov. he was a successful communist look at Albania they were a hell of alot better of when then were communist than they are now
@Chris9ian I'm sure having millions killed by Stalin made it wonderful. I'm sure having the "Secret Police" spy on their own citizens and arrest them for the slightest malcontent was more wonderful fun. There are so many "wonderful" things about Communism. It's so wonderful I'd die(if required) to destroy it if ever in the future need be. Free People don't tolerate communism OR socialism well.
@Henners1991 "the GLF was quite successful where the policy was carried"
You complete dipshit!! 45 million Chinese starved to death during the GLF. Mao s attempt to build up a steel industry rapidly failed miserably, wasting enormous resrouces for this.
What was successful during the GLF???? Are you taking drugs????
@xxxdieselyyy Yep, all socialist states either turn oppressive (if they didn't start off that way), collapse, are forced into freeing their markets, or are dependent upon capitalist countries.
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@JoeTCaps ----------Yep, all socialist states either turn oppressive (if they didn't start off that way), collapse--------->Socialism has a fool proof mechanism. When states turn oppressive or apathetic to people, they can bring down the system collectively as ppl r unified under Socialism. In capitalist models, they just grind and move on.
Life condition in USSR in 1980s was MUCH better than India today, but Indians just adjust 'coz there is no unity in peepz. And capitalism goes on.
@xxxdieselyyy "But we can't talk about the North Korea of today because it doesn't count or something." You sound like an idiot. All socialist/communist states either see their economy collapse or are forced into lifting restrictions against free trade. This is what happened in your state of Kerala in the 90s. This is also what happened in China. Even North Korea has begun to lift restrictions on black markets. Socialism is not sustainable, most fair minded people realize and accept that.
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@JoeTCaps ---------But we can't talk about the North Korea of today because it doesn't count or something." You sound like an idiot.--------->If u wanna talk about NK today and compare it w/ SK, compare an SK without a chief trading partner (US) and faced w/ blanket sanctions.
Wanna compare NK and SK? Compare it when NK didn;'t have UN blanket sanctions and when they had a chief trading partner (USSR).
@xxxdieselyyy First off, NK does have a chief trading partner, it's called China. Secondly, if socialism/communism is so great, why do these countries need to feed off of the teat of capitalist countries like the US in order to prosper?
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@JoeTCaps ---------First off, NK does have a chief trading partner, it's called China------->Chief trading partners give credit at least 90 days, they don't make u pay hard cash for u r goods and projects.
"why do these countries need to feed off of the teat of capitalist countries like the US in order to prosper? "-------->Check out trade balance between a third world country and the US, the balance sheet will favour US. We were MUCH better off dealin w/ USSR.
@JoeTCaps --------This is what happened in your state of Kerala in the 90s.------->Nop, we didn't apply reforms as did the rest of the country, most of our state's economy's still run by PDS generating public sector, and it's quite healthy.
In terms of literacy score, poverty, social security we fare the best in the country, even compared to states like Maharashtra that have financial capital of country like Mumbai.
@JoeTCaps ----------All socialist/communist states either see their economy collapse or are forced into lifting restrictions against free trade--------->Cuba's economy is not collapsing and Venezuela is doing quite alright. Evo Morales' also bought down poverty and unemployment by quite a factor in his home state.
And even compare sanction ridden North Korea w/ African capitalist countries like Ghana, Bangladesh, Congo or Nigeria....NK fares better even w/ sanctions
@xxxdieselyyy -------2-------->When capitalism fails, its because of some man eating African dictator and inexplicable corruption but when a Socialism fails, it's because of the system. HAHA!
Also US PROFITS from their third world dealings, most of USSR's allies (like India) just shamelessly free-rode off them. In a small example, Soviet buyer paid Indian factory full cash for 1 year order in advance, US demands 180 day credit.
@xxxdieselyyy Those countries you just listed are among the most politically oppressive in the world. If Cuba was so great you wouldn't have people fleeing constantly in order to escape to the capitalist US. Hugo has not had enough time to completely destroy the Venezuelan country, but he is working on it. Oil is the only thing keeping there economy afloat and if Hugo has his way the country will be destroyed within a decade or two.
@JoeTCaps ---------Those countries you just listed are among the most politically oppressive in the world------->All countries turn REAL oppressive once u start opposing the govt, and SOcialist countries are no exception.
"If Cuba was so great you wouldn't have people fleeing constantly in order to escape to the capitalist US"------>Then why is Cuba ranked no. 6 on the global HPI index if Cubans r so unhappy? Most Cuban who flee to the US have a PDS theft record even Indian media confirmed
@xxxdieselyyy ----2-------->There are some fucked up Socialist states like Belarus that have poor HPI. Just lettin u kno I admit there r Socialist societies that r not run well, but Cuba is not one of 'em.
Hugo destroying the Venezeulan economy ? How? by opening up more schools, free health clinics , adult literacy progs, food camps rather than by depositing it in Swiss bank and US bank like all his predecessors?
@xxxdieselyyy Is continues to nationalize industries and is attempting to centrally plan their economy. We all know where that goes. So he seized some wealth and built some health clinics. You think that is going to last? The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money. Time and time again this has been proven true.
@JoeTCaps ----------Is continues to nationalize industries and is attempting to centrally plan their economy.----------->People say proper prior planning is the key to a good successful and disciplined life from Church to School to Home but when it comes to the economy, it suddenly becomes invalidated ?? ? ? ? ?
"So he seized some wealth and built some health clinics"----->He seized wealth generating industries that were engaging in CAPITAL FLIGHT and invested it in da people.
@xxxdieselyyy So you are a fan of central planning? You honestly think that a small group of bureaucrats can manage an economy better than the people acting in self-interest? If so, do you at least concede that it is morally wrong to deny the people the freedom to decide what is best for them and their families?
@JoeTCaps ----------o you are a fan of central planning? ---------->Not in a Stalinist or a Maoist sense but more in a Titoist sense (provincial planning).......yeah I do support planning.
"morally wrong to deny the people the freedom to decide what is best for them and their families?"------>Not as wrong as having hard working people starve to death after a long days of toil. Most sweatshops, child labour etc,. is wayt prominent in capitalist developing country's than Socialist....
@JoeTCaps -----------The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money.---------->Tiny Cuba has done superb without a backer. Most Socialist countries in the world relied on USSR as a core trading partner, so when USSR fell, a lot of Socialist countries also fell.
If US falls likewise, the capitalist superstructure will also take a huge plunge. Latin America today as a lead is already beginning 2 lean towards SOcialism.
@JoeTCaps -----------The only way the US will fall is if we abandon free markets and adopt the failed model of socialism. -----------> Or by getting too greedy and spending more than what u can take in overseas wars ;)
@xxxdieselyyy Why does Cuba's public sector employment continue to decline? If socialism is working so great, why does private sector employment continue to grow?
@JoeTCaps -----------why does private sector employment continue to grow?--------->To cater to the services sector chiefly tourism. Govt doesn't involve itself in service sectors too much, even in Socialist countries as the chief emphasis is on heavy industry and agriculture.
"Why does Cuba's public sector employment continue to decline"---->More Cubans want to work in service sector not in industrial compared 2 yesteryear. That doesn't prove Socialism is failing tho.
@xxxdieselyyy You fail to mention that Capitalism is failing. Also, although Cuba is called socialist, it doesn't make it socialist. It was a petty-bourgeois revolution, not a working class one. There was no Marxist theory. Casto admired fascist ideology in his university days.
@TheMarzpro Capitalism only "fails" when socialist bastards get ingrained into a free market capitalist government. They then try to sabotage the system. It's happening here in the U.S. RIGHT NOW with NObama. THANKFULLY Conservatives were elected IN-MASS this last election and took the House also gaining enough in the Senate to filibuster.The Marxist CRAP sabotage of NObama can finally be stopped in it's God forsaken tracks. Socialists are such FOOLS.
@007CTHULHU007 O? really? i guess Obama should have let the lowest tier of the american society Rot like they did at tbeginning of the depression in the 1930's right? cause you know... the economy will eventually recover and as long as the people on the top get to eat no matter how many of those in the bottom go down your country will still be there right? anyone thinking otherwise would end up being a socialist after all...
@KOGR11 Obama did nothing, but make things worse increasing the National Dept to unsustainable levels. Liberals/SOCIALIST same thing...do not function well in a capitalist economy. In fact the Liberal Socialists in government had a great deal to do with the "economic crisis"/recession. Encouraging/TELLING loan companies and others to give out loans and housing to lower income people that they KNEW could not sustain payment or pay these companies back. it's on TAPE.
FDR was the WORST economic President we've ever had...until now. Who is Obama's "idol"? FDR. FDR had a 90%+ tax on the rich back then. He wanted to suck Stalin's dick as well. You don't comprehend the CAUSE of failures and that is interfering SOCIALISM in a Capitalist system. OF COURSE that would cause waves and could eventually cause it to fail if the Socialist BULLSHIT isn't stopped.
@007CTHULHU007 your opinion about FDR is strictly your opinion. whatever roosevelt did was to eleviate the hardship of the common people of the country, the people who really make up America, and if it required him to tax those who were all too comfortable with their neighbours starving on the streets right beside their homes then its only the reasonable thing to do.
@KOGR11 No it's a matter of history. If you tax people with more money chances are it may be a business. Taxed business' cannot hire more people. They cannot afford to do things they could before. They have to raise prices. This transfers to your "common people". Everyone is "common people". Class warfare is so full of shit...
The thing that took us out of the depression was nothing FDR did. It was World War II that did it, because it caused the war industry to accelerate 1000%.
@007CTHULHU007 Obviously your studies on FDR is flawed since if it wasnt for him and his policies , socialists and communists would have taken over the US a LONG time ago, yes leftist groups got THAT strong in the US among the lower and lower middle class during the depression.. for obvious reasons of unemployment and prior government's inaction to do anything about their hardships during depression. Go study some books about those days before you say anything about FDR.
@xxxdieselyyy Tell all the people starving in North Korea how much less stressful their lives are than their brothers in the south. I'm sure that they will find that comforting.
@JoeTCaps 0-------------ell all the people starving in North Korea how much less stressful their lives are than their brothers in the south. I'm sure that they will find that comforting. ----------->They starved only after 1993, before that NK was quite prosperous. I would like to see how SOuth Korea fares after US falls and they get blanket sanctions....
@JoeTCaps--------->They starved only after 1993, before that NK was quite prosperous. I would like to see how SOuth Korea fares after US falls and they get blanket sanctions....
@xxxdieselyyy What is your point? That socialism/communism works for awhile and then everyone starves but that is OK because everybody is "equal?" No thanks, but I'd rather not starve and deal with inequity in my society.
@JoeTCaps -----------What is your point? That socialism/communism works for awhile and then everyone starves but that is OK because everybody is "equal?-------->LOL here we go round the bush again.......my point was that Socialism works on GINI and on cost minimization, whereas capitalism works on GDP and income maximization.
@royray217 -----------If humans could be completely altruistic, then Communism would succeed. --------->That's why u have Socialism :) Big difference between Socialism and Communism. Socialism uses PDS / CMP churning industry to bring forth equitable less exploitative lifestyles.
If u look at factory owners in India, they are rich enough to send kids to US 4 school but the workers who toil like dogs 4 them can't even afford 2 meals to eat...forget shelter and education etc.
@xxxdieselyyy -----------> Marx's version of communism cannot exist. From a technical standpoint it's not feasible or desirable though when thought about in a completely uncritical manner, it sounds very nice. Also, humans can't be made to be completely altruistic.
@TommyWaters ----------Marx's version of communism cannot exist. From a technical standpoint it's not feasible ---------->I am vouching for Socialism not for Communism under Marx :) COmpletely different worlds. Capitalism aspires for GDP centric economy, Socialism goes for a GINI centric 1. Both GDP and GINI are mathematical and scientific concepts so no way can u say Socialism is unfeasable.....
@xxxdieselyyy ------> Since GINI's goal is to measure inequality of certain categories like income, you bring to light that socialism's proclaimed goal is to make everyone equal. But bringing artificially bringing about someone's version of equality does not work and leads to lack of individual freedom and replaces it with totalirianism and suffering wherever it's been seriously pursued. Read your history. Why should someone have to submit to having their opportunities and talents diminished
@TommyWaters ------------Why should someone have to submit to having their opportunities and talents diminished----------->So that others can have social mobility. Look at my country we have 60 percent plus agrarian base who are stagnant in their income group w/o any scope of upward mobility because what they make even after hours of toil isin't enough to afford them a meal.
U have 5-10 percent of the pop leeching off this HUGE pop base to sustain their luxury life. Enforced poverty is not coo
@xxxdieselyyy -----> Capitalism hurts social mobility while socialism advances it???!!! How does socialism do this? Also, how does capitalism cause poverty? Are people really in poverty because of the existence of capitalism, a relatively new economic system compared to others tried in the past like feudalism? Did poverty increase when capitalism is practiced by a country?
@TommyWaters ---------Did poverty increase when capitalism is practiced by a country?--------->AB SO LU TE LY. That';s why Naxal rebellion now encompasses one sixth of our entire nation. After 1990s, urban and cosmopolitan locales grew faster than New York, whilst agrarian and provincial townships slid worst than Sub Saharan Africa.
As per UN food report , our food security is comparable to T'Chad after 1990s reform.
@TommyWaters ----------Capitalism hurts social mobility while socialism advances it???!!! How does socialism do this?--------->Short answer? By setting price ceilings and floors on commodities especially necessities to ensure ppl like farmers in India (for example) and unorganized labour (majority of work force here) aren't excluded from basic rights like education, proper 3 meals a day, medical care and so on. This is made possible by operating a PDS firm rather than a PTE LTD firm.
@xxxdieselyyy -------2--------->PTE LTD's produce where demand and supply meet. PDS firms produce on the furthest possible point of the supply curve. If u apply this to medicare, food and housing, u can see how social mobility is advanced.
@TommyWaters -------Why should someone have to submit to having their opportunities and talents diminished--------->U r talents are not diminished who said they are? Just because u don't get million bucks don't mean u r not important figure in society. U get recognition and power as a tradeoff if u do something spectacular (Examples: Mikoyan, Kalashnikof etc). How's about Capitalism and how it pays off non economic yet socially important functions like SCHOOL TEACHER?! They r grossly underpaid.
@xxxdieselyyy ----> So who decides what other people should get and how they should be compensated for their talents, ideas, and opportunities? It shouldn't be left to the individual involved and the impersonal market? Who should decide my man?
@TommyWaters ----------It shouldn't be left to the individual involved and the impersonal market? Who should decide my man?---------->Then u mean to say farmers in India deserve to starve even after working for 14 hours a day? Some individuals can impose their bargaining power on others to such extremes. This is the flop of a free for all market, especially in developing countries.
@TommyWaters ---------nd leads to lack of individual freedom and replaces it with totalirianism and suffering ---------->Then why is my Socialist Kerala regarded as the ONLY state in the country that is classified as "second world" ? It has highest literacy and HDI rate in the country and we don't even have as much industry as other states do....
In Communist system tho, u don't have to take up Banking because Teaching pays crap. A LOT of Indians don't take up teaching coz of pay issue.
@xxxdieselyyy -----> Is teaching education mainly administered by the government like it is in the U.S.? Then it's paid w/ taxpayer dollars. But without getting too deep into that, how would a system where people are paid on what someone (who knows who) decides how much their pay is worth as opposed to the market rate? Even in the US teachers are paid more than their market rate, at least while it's administered by the gov't instead of largely privatized.
@TommyWaters --------and leads to lack of individual freedom and replaces--------->I dunno I personally feel I have more power over my life in Socialist Kerala than I ever did in the US. For one my kids would b nagging for a parent to stay home full time. The costs involved there simply made it unfeasable. I could hardly spend 2 hour- 3 hour a day w/ my family. I *HAD* to stress myself out just to sustain life.
I am MUCH MUCH MUCH more free now, hafve MUCH more time 4 hobbies family etc.
@xxxdieselyyy -----> So why are the costs different in the country you live in now? And why is your socialist state considered second world and not first world? But most importantly, the first question, how have all your needs been taken care of? And is the rest of your country truly capitalist?
@xxxdieselyyy ----> in order that someone else's version of equality is accomplished. Or that what they can earn because of what they produce is taken from them and given to another by a third party's biases?
@royray217 ----------We always seek to do something that is to our benefit,--------->I have 2 kids aged 10 and 14. They only drain expenses and time out of me....they don't contribute to shit, and they don't benefit me in any way, only induce costs. Yet I happily provide for them and the idea of sending my kids to the Tatmadaw or to the coal mines to earn money and contribute to my benefit has never arisen in my mind.......
@TommyWaters -----------Seeing your offspring do well doesn't benefit you??? Not even on a mental or emotional level??? Get outta here.----------->Seeing my comrades do well makes me as happy as seeing my offspring do well. That was the point- think u misunderstood :D
I don't see why people get so touchy w/ their families but then "I'll only help if it benefits me" with the rest of their comrades ???
@xxxdieselyyy ----> Nope I think you missed the point. Seeing your family, friends, or anyone else you'd like to see do well, do well, is a benefit for you. So although you don't consider it such, when you do things for your family you unconsciously are doing it for your benefit. No one does anything without thinking about themselves, sometimes you just don't consciously do it. That's the difference but all motivation still starts with self at some level so true altruism is impossible.
@TommyWaters -----------eeing your offspring do well doesn't benefit you???------------>U missed the point. The point was even if my offspring don't contribute directly 2 me, I still provide 4 them because I want to see them do well in life. But I have the same attitude towards all my comrades :)
Capitalists are so touchy w/ thier kith and kin but go "I'll only benefit others if it benefits me" with their comrades outside of their family circle.
Think about it. A slave works but does not own the fruits of his labor. Things work the same way with socialism. I guess "socialism is good" if you are keen on the idea of being a slave.
@JoeTCaps --------->I live in a Socialist State (Kerala) and I find myself more free than my collegues in Mumbai, in Delhi (non Socialist states). Socialist states don't give u material comfort u may feel u deserve, but at the same time I don't have to scramble for funds like a crackhead to find my kids decent schooling and I am not at all worried about retiring and what will happen 2 me in my old age etc etc. I find life in Socialism is WAY more stress free than under capitalism.
@xxxdieselyyy ---------2----------->Joe T Caps, I come from India and I visited both the Koreas (North and South) extensively. This was in the last phase of North's prosperity years this was in 1982. I could visit NK thru local invite no guided tour bullshit. I saw NK and I saw SK.
South Korea seemed SUPERB for about a week, but in the longer run, life just seemed so skull fuckin stressed! North Korea was MUCH MUCH more shanti shanti.
This was 1982 btw not after 1993 +. (poverty years)
@xxxdieselyyy --------3-------->Of course u might say "Well compare NK and SK TODAY!" Well, that is an unfair comparison, because a fair comparison TODAY would be a South Korea w/o a United States....
Capitalist societies go 4 wealth maximization. Socialist ones go for cost minimization.
U can see the implications here. And it all boils down 2 personal pref's. I am not too crazy about mansions and cars, but I want a stress free life, and Socialism fits the bill...
@xxxdieselyyy ------------> You simply don't know what you're talking about. Socialists concern isn't with costs at all and socialism is horrible at minimizing it. In order to maximize wealth, you must minimize costs. So you're actually admitting that the capitalist will try to minimize costs. You should really try to take a class in economics before making such embarrassing statements.
@TommyWaters ------------In order to maximize wealth, you must minimize costs. ---------->But u go for optimal profit point which is where demand and supply intersect. Socialist economies operate on the far right hand corner (as possible) of the supply curve (on supply and demand graph) .
@TommyWaters ------------Socialists concern isn't with costs at all and socialism is horrible at minimizing it. ------------>Then what's PDS and CMP all about? :D Find me ANY good u can buy in supermarket and compare it w/a PDS or a CMP godown, costs are like one millionth the cost.
In my state we get State subsidized electricity. Even compare to a developing (and similar income level) country lik Philippine or Thailand we pay a tiny fraction of what they pay for the SAME appliances used
@xxxdieselyyy ---------> How long did you live in a mainly capitalist and free society like the United States? Freedom from stress may be the most important ideal to you but it may not be for others where you live. Who is to decide what the ultimate ideal should be for everyone else? No one should be able to decide this for another man or woman. The socialist doctrine demands that this be decided and therefore that someone must decide for someone else.
@TommyWaters ---------------Who is to decide what the ultimate ideal should be for everyone else?-------->Yeah tell that to an Indian farmer who wants to send his kid to a good school but cannot afford THE PRICE.
@TommyWaters ---------How long did you live in a mainly capitalist and free society like the United States?---------->Six years and I was quite successful :) However, I just couldn't stand the mechanization of life, the apathy found in people toward one another, lack of any sort of a commune, and STRESS after a while. I just had to book it back to my Socialist Kerala state India even if I make 1/100000th what I made in US. Life's MUCH better here in terms of being chill.
@TommyWaters ----------The socialist doctrine demands that this be decided and therefore that someone must decide for someone else---------->U can say I AM ME a LOT easier in a Socialist country than in a capitalist one. Ever heard of Free Land USe Act? U see a plot of land, it's yours. U can farm THC in it, u can build u r self a home, but u won't get govt aid. Only thing is u can't hire labour u have to work u r self.
In capitalist country that is drug charge and tresspassing charge = JAIL.
@TommyWaters ----------Hey dude, what's the government's job in a socialist country? What is their mission and how do they accomplish it?--------->The mission in the Socialist country is to carry out a set of 5 year plans, each w/ a different specific objective (1st 5 yr plan is for agro, 2nd five year plan is to bring about light industry, third for heavy industry, 4th for industrializing agro, 5th for introducing services etc).
@xxxdieselyyy If your socialist paradise was working so well why was your government forced to lighten restrictions against capitalism in the 90s? If socialism really is so great, why did you need to water it down in order to prosper? Most people in non-socialist countries do not have to scramble like crackheads for schooling and most here retire comfortably. You are obviously ignorant with regard to the lifestyles of non-socialists.
@JoeTCaps -----------f your socialist paradise was working so well why was your government forced to lighten restrictions against capitalism in the 90s? ------------>Because USSR was our chief trading partner obviously before 90s. Also leaders after Indhira Gandhi were more interested in personal wealth accumulation rather than running the country. Why else would we use our own Army to displace folk in Tribal areas to accomodate foreign companies?
@JoeTCaps --------Most people in non-socialist countries do not have to scramble like crackheads for schooling and most here retire comfortably.--------->I think u r thinking first world country, I am thinking third world. My collegues living in Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, Chennai etc., most certainly are forced to scramble for a good school, some even had 2 sell their wifes jewels.
Let's see you have more than one child. Really? "Public Ownership?" There are NO examples anywhere on this planet where that works. Socialism is good alright - good for those in the top tiers of government, everyone else is a slave (where slavery is defined as an entity taking 33% or more of a person's productivity by force). No; socialism, communism, (NAZI means national SOCIALIST worker's party) are all evil resulting in lower living standards, more crime, worse health and so on. Duh!
socialism works so well we pull money out of the future to fund it... pfff Naive is the socialist.. The only socialism that can be said to succeed in the long term, is small communities... Like Amish small.... The larger population and diversity, the more impossible and improbable, and STUPID socialism becomes.
Hail Hitler! Hail Stalin! Down with Capitalism! Socialism Forever! No one should have more money than another person! Everyone should be equal and the same! If you should be too tall you will be killed. If you should be too short you will be killed. If you should be too fat you should be killed. If you should work hard for yourself and keep more than others you should be killed! DEATH TO AMERICA! THEY MUST DIE. YOUTUBE MUST DIE IT IS A PRODUCT OF AMERICA! NO ONE MUST BE BETTER THAN SOCIALISM!
How do you get people to work and go above and beyond when they have no monetary incentive to do so. That is why places like America and Japan invent all the new toys you play with. They have an incentive to do so with Capitalism. Not so with Socialism.
Venezuela elected Chavez and look at the shape the country is in now. It is falling apart in a very short period of time. Also look at Greece with their triple b credit rating. Several other European socialist countries are also going bankrupt. When there is no incentive to weed out corruption, fraud and give incentive to hard work it simply falls apart.
Yay skinny little Chinamen showing me their skinny arms that tainted milk does strange things to the hormones doesn't it?
wd40isgreat 7 months ago
one of the first videos on youtube!
unclesamfatg 8 months ago
LOL
shadowevil1995 11 months ago
LMFAO.!! i wonder if he saw it yet?
aroston 1 year ago
КПУ підтримує!
RedCommanderShors 1 year ago
Bravo!
RedCommanderShors 1 year ago
+100
RedCommanderShors 1 year ago
I think She Hui Zhu Yi Hao, but I don't think Gong Chan Dang hao.
musicalidea 1 year ago
Make those damn Capitalist Imperialists run "tao pao liao"! Lol.
musicalidea 1 year ago
THE ONLY problem capitalism has is when fucking no brained arrogant bastard SOCIALISTS/LIBERAL DEMOCRATS get in office and screw up the system. Your socialist Hellhole in the EU is falling apart from debt. You say particular WORDS just ANYWHERE out loud over there the fucking THOUGHT POLICE ARREST YOU. You got to jail for SPEAKING.
You can take your B.S. and cram it up your ass where it belongs. I''m not getting into a debate with foolishness AGAIN. READ A TRUE HISTORY BOOK. No government ones.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
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LONG LIVE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA. LONG LIVE HU JINTAO
mackafreak 1 year ago
Stalin was fachist big difference, The only true free people are the one's that live free of American Imperialism, False Democracy, and Religion I.E. socialist countries
Chris9ian 1 year ago
Stupid chinks!
Longfellow89 1 year ago
I see alot of post labeled spam which are NOT spam. Seems there is Socialism being practiced right here in this commentary by some anti-free speech BASTARD. Even if it's a moron defending socialism let's see it unless it's spam so the moron can be embarrassed with logic and commentary. I see more labeling of anti-socialist posts, however. There's an ignorant little cowardly prick here somewhere.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago 2
@007CTHULHU007 your brand of free speech is trying to convince everyone "oh capitalism is such a great beautiful"... if you dont like socialism then so come here to this song? obviously its not for you. may be you are one of those tea party morons, your own homepage says so, brand of an ignorant lil brat who loves to fire artilleries from his coach.
KOGR11 1 year ago
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007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@KOGR11 It's not great and beautiful. It CAN be great and beautiful and it certainly is a sustainable working system.
My brand of Free Speech is allowing everyone to speak no matter the idiocy of their views."Even if it's a moron defending socialism let's see it unless it's spam"
I'm a Conservative. That's all I am. You insulting political organizations you dislike is nothing new or impressive or smart.
You, my little boy child are just another troll. Why don't you come back when you lean more.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 Capitalism is hardly sustainable, if not for the occaisional sacrifice of blood by the working class whenever the economy faces a bust. Was it the democrats or Obama who got you in that debt in the first place?
You are in a pure dreamland coughing up socialist/liberal conspiracies.. seriously get some education. FDR wasnt the only one to adopt keynisian model, look at sweden's recovery during those years.. or is it too socialist for you?
KOGR11 1 year ago
@KOGR11 Give me a break. Give me some facts rather.
BOTH got us in debt in the first place.
You truly are a Google troll. You don't acknowledge history. Up until the war and threat of war life was HELL in America due to people like FDR. Sweden isn't the United States. The entire EU is a socialist political governing system..at the moment, because the sheeple over there keep electing them or maybe they steal elections like some liberals/socialists over here.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 Oh yes just paint that "I am a conservative" on your forehead so everyone understands your reluctance to sound logical and deny historical facts and replacing them with biased opinions set up just to defend your position, whether factual or not.
Look at your own messages before, a whole page was covered with your messages and "opinions" on a video about socialism which might very well be a parody, who is the troll here? then again you cant be more than an infant.
KOGR11 1 year ago
@KOGR11 You are a TRUE liberal troll. Conservatism is LOGIC and COMMON SENSE. Two things liberals/socialists and communists do not have in the LARGE part. Deny historical facts? I made not denials I STATED historical fact. You're using the infamous "TURN IT BACK ON HIM RIGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE" dumbassery liberal tactic of arguing.
Again...more of the "TURN IT BACK ON HIM TO MISDIRECT" tactic. You're fucking pathetic. LMFAO.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
If i become socialist, do i get that cool arm band?????? :)))))
VenomProductions1 1 year ago
f u want to make everybody equal, u need a dictatorship. U need to cut the interest & rights of invididuals & take away their property. U need to abolish freedom and free speech of individuals. That's why all communist were dictators. Needed to be! And all these communists shithole WERE communist countries. We saw how well this systems worked politically and economically. I don't even know where they failed more spectacularly in the political or economical field.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal.---- Aristotle
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
talking in economic terms, it is also clear that communist economies must fail. This is clear in theory and spectacularly much more in practice. First top down planning by bureaucrats only can be highly inaccurate and unrealistic (see Mao's GLF), so extremely bad economic decisions are made. Second and more importantly, any private initiative and entrepreneurship is abolished which drives an economy. After all nobody cares about nothing. Why put efforts in sth if u don't get rewarded forit
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron ...that's correct
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 Sorry, I misinterpreted your comment, obviously.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron Obviously. lol
Apology accepted.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@VenomProductions1 Probably..Sewn into your skin with a serial number burned underneath it.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 Twas a joke
VenomProductions1 1 year ago
@VenomProductions I know. I wish my statement was more a jest, but it's probably going to turn out fairly accurate in the future.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
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No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. No need to spread the "news" about communism. Planned economy is the epitome of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?
joaquinveyron 1 year ago 16
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@joaquinveyron They can't name a successful communist government...because they do NOT EXIST. Only FOOLS are communists. It's been proven a FAILED system of government and anyone that doesn't see it is a complete and UTTER MORON...or a brainwashed weak minded sheep calling itself a human being.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago 13
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@007CTHULHU007
How do you tell a communist? Well, it is someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-communist. Well, it is someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 Fuckhead, ALL communist countries were/are complete FUCK´-UPS, you fucking fool!! This is a direct and logic consequence outu of Marx. Don't give me this "communism never existed" bullshit. It was attempted 1000 times and failed spectactularly 1000 times. The reason why communism never existed according to your stupid wishful thinking is that it is an utopia. The nightmares and brutal dictatorships are a direct and logic consequence of communism.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron What the fuck are you talking about? I AGREE. Where did you get I liked ANYTHING about Socialism OR Communism?
I think you've mistaken me for someone else or misread me totally. The ONLY government I'm for is Free Capitalism.
When I say "They can't name a successful communist government...because they do NOT EXIST." I MEAN nothing more than what you have just said. They have all FAILED and will continue to FAIL, because Communism is EVIL by concept and practice. Look closer next.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
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@007CTHULHU007 Das Kapital, Die Polit. Ökonomie, Das Manif der Komm PArtei ... all Marxist bullshit ...
"Surplus value" is another bullshit term invented by socialists. A widget's value and the value of the worker's labor who made the widget are 2 separate things. The widget has value to the end customer, and the worker's labor has value to his boss. There is a market for both widgets and labor, and the market sets the value for each of them.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron That's right....
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
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@007CTHULHU007 The basis of Leninism, Marxism, Communism, Maoism, Chucheism, is what Marx wrote in his works Communist manifesto, Das Kapital, Kritik der Politische Ökonomie. The basis is that he defined as political goas 1) the abolition of private property and entrepreneurship, 2) classless society and 3) the equal distribution of the socially generated GDP. Therefore, the main natural enemy of communism is the freedom of the individual.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago 2
@joaquinveyron Correct.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
Why communism always ended (or already started) as a brutal dictatorship? That's obvious. Men are NOT equal. They are equal in terms of rights, yes. But not in terms of capabilities, motivation, efforts, talents, skills, character etc. You need a brutal dictator in order to hammer the doctrine of uniformism over individuality. If you want everybody to be equal you need to abolish individual rights. You need to control individuums by power. That's what happened everywhere COMMUNISM existed.
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
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@joaquinveyron You are correct. Next time look at my Channel first....
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
I knew someone would say this, which can t be more inaccurate. All these communist shitholes (USSR, China (30 yrs ago), East-Eur) were communist countries from the beginning. Lenin, who is regarded as the communist 'thinker', started terrorizing and killing people in the millions when he took power. In theory and practice you need a brutal dictatorship to shove the idiotic comm. ideology down the throat of people because none is so stupid to accept it freely. This is exactly what happend
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@joaquinveyron That's right you're correct.
I said nothing in support or advocation of damnable Communism or Socialism. Socialism is the stepping stone to Communism. Communism and Socialism have the same end goals they just go about it differently. Both are FLAWED and FAILED systems. Unfortunately some don't see it that way, because they have no knowledge of history...or much of anything else.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 can't name a successful communist government because there has never been one... Communism is a Utopian society that will never work. THAT is why we must strive for Socialism. Simply because it is the next best system.
JayceMearesShit 1 year ago
@JayceMearesShit The end goal of Socialism is exactly what Communism's goals are. "Utopian CONTROLLED "society". It is the nest WORST system. Please don't go there. Liberalism has been the name for Socialism in this country for far too long. Socialism does NOT work. A Free Market Capitalist government that is not interfered with as the U.S. has by Socialistic nonsense is the SOLE Best Choice and working government. Sustainable government. FREE government by the people for the people.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 Sweden, France, Present-day Germany, Canada.... There are many examples of Socialist nations which are doing great.
JayceMearesShit 1 year ago
@JayceMearesShit I wouldn't say "doing great". In the case of France I'd say "hanging on by a thread". They are having to cut the socialist programs they put in effect in order to not bankrupt in many of those "socialist" Governments. Remember the riots in France? How about the riots in the U.K. ..or was it Ireland..doesn't matter. Same kind of Socialist governing. Breaking the government. Trying to put further controls on the people. The E.U. has the honest to God "Thought Police" .
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 at least the people of Europe continue to fight for a better life, socialist programs are a necessity the alternative is obedience to the corporate world at least with riots the real people punish the greedy for the screw overs IE the GFC
cjhmmp 1 year ago
@cjhmmp Pure idiocy. I'm not in the mood to tolerate or debate fools. Sorry. History is the tool used to defeat BULLSHIT like you just spouted. I'm sure Germans thought they needed things from their government as well before and during WW II.
Socialist and Communism have the SAME end goals. Control and "perfection of STATE" of the people/sheeple. No more time for fools in this world. Be the fool. Be the sheep. Be the FOOL. I don't CARE.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 oh really and capitalism is not out to control people, lol by the way Germans lol what do they have to do with this conversation, its plain and simple shit for brains capitalism is not a bad thing when its tempered by concern for the peoples well being and some socialist programs help to tame the greedy, selfish and immoral products of capitalism by balancing out the advantage given to the ruthless, greedy and selfish people under certain capitalist systems.
cjhmmp 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 No political philosophy works with out a blending with other systems, capitalism without government over site and at the very least some socialism is disgusting and immoral, socialism without a strong democracy and government over site is a disaster.
a blind obedience for a particular system is a sign of fanaticism/idiocy so which of us is the fool, pure capitalist or the mind that identity's good and bad in all puristic systems and advocates a blending of the good aspects of all
cjhmmp 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 The same goes for Socialism which is nothing but "Communist-Light". Socialism has the exact same end goal as communism.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 Oh yea look at Lenin's gov. he was a successful communist look at Albania they were a hell of alot better of when then were communist than they are now
Chris9ian 1 year ago 2
@Chris9ian I'm sure having millions killed by Stalin made it wonderful. I'm sure having the "Secret Police" spy on their own citizens and arrest them for the slightest malcontent was more wonderful fun. There are so many "wonderful" things about Communism. It's so wonderful I'd die(if required) to destroy it if ever in the future need be. Free People don't tolerate communism OR socialism well.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
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Most of Africa lives in extreme poverty these days, and Africa is also capitalistic.
fatben5 1 year ago
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Socialism is Good
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Piuba86 1 year ago
they think they are tough... a 12 year old american could kick their asses
ceeleeBASED 1 year ago 2
Get a good look boys, there is the enemy.
Henners1991 1 year ago 2
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@Henners1991 the only enemy here is you cappie.
CommunismRulez 1 year ago
@CommunismRulez Oh? I thought I was looking at proponents of rudimentary free markets in this video?
Henners1991 1 year ago
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@Henners1991 "the GLF was quite successful where the policy was carried"
You complete dipshit!! 45 million Chinese starved to death during the GLF. Mao s attempt to build up a steel industry rapidly failed miserably, wasting enormous resrouces for this.
What was successful during the GLF???? Are you taking drugs????
joaquinveyron 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy Yep, all socialist states either turn oppressive (if they didn't start off that way), collapse, are forced into freeing their markets, or are dependent upon capitalist countries.
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
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@JoeTCaps ----------Yep, all socialist states either turn oppressive (if they didn't start off that way), collapse--------->Socialism has a fool proof mechanism. When states turn oppressive or apathetic to people, they can bring down the system collectively as ppl r unified under Socialism. In capitalist models, they just grind and move on.
Life condition in USSR in 1980s was MUCH better than India today, but Indians just adjust 'coz there is no unity in peepz. And capitalism goes on.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy "But we can't talk about the North Korea of today because it doesn't count or something." You sound like an idiot. All socialist/communist states either see their economy collapse or are forced into lifting restrictions against free trade. This is what happened in your state of Kerala in the 90s. This is also what happened in China. Even North Korea has begun to lift restrictions on black markets. Socialism is not sustainable, most fair minded people realize and accept that.
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
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@JoeTCaps ---------But we can't talk about the North Korea of today because it doesn't count or something." You sound like an idiot.--------->If u wanna talk about NK today and compare it w/ SK, compare an SK without a chief trading partner (US) and faced w/ blanket sanctions.
Wanna compare NK and SK? Compare it when NK didn;'t have UN blanket sanctions and when they had a chief trading partner (USSR).
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy First off, NK does have a chief trading partner, it's called China. Secondly, if socialism/communism is so great, why do these countries need to feed off of the teat of capitalist countries like the US in order to prosper?
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
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@JoeTCaps ---------First off, NK does have a chief trading partner, it's called China------->Chief trading partners give credit at least 90 days, they don't make u pay hard cash for u r goods and projects.
"why do these countries need to feed off of the teat of capitalist countries like the US in order to prosper? "-------->Check out trade balance between a third world country and the US, the balance sheet will favour US. We were MUCH better off dealin w/ USSR.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps --------This is what happened in your state of Kerala in the 90s.------->Nop, we didn't apply reforms as did the rest of the country, most of our state's economy's still run by PDS generating public sector, and it's quite healthy.
In terms of literacy score, poverty, social security we fare the best in the country, even compared to states like Maharashtra that have financial capital of country like Mumbai.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps ----------All socialist/communist states either see their economy collapse or are forced into lifting restrictions against free trade--------->Cuba's economy is not collapsing and Venezuela is doing quite alright. Evo Morales' also bought down poverty and unemployment by quite a factor in his home state.
And even compare sanction ridden North Korea w/ African capitalist countries like Ghana, Bangladesh, Congo or Nigeria....NK fares better even w/ sanctions
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy -------2-------->When capitalism fails, its because of some man eating African dictator and inexplicable corruption but when a Socialism fails, it's because of the system. HAHA!
Also US PROFITS from their third world dealings, most of USSR's allies (like India) just shamelessly free-rode off them. In a small example, Soviet buyer paid Indian factory full cash for 1 year order in advance, US demands 180 day credit.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy Those countries you just listed are among the most politically oppressive in the world. If Cuba was so great you wouldn't have people fleeing constantly in order to escape to the capitalist US. Hugo has not had enough time to completely destroy the Venezuelan country, but he is working on it. Oil is the only thing keeping there economy afloat and if Hugo has his way the country will be destroyed within a decade or two.
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps ---------Those countries you just listed are among the most politically oppressive in the world------->All countries turn REAL oppressive once u start opposing the govt, and SOcialist countries are no exception.
"If Cuba was so great you wouldn't have people fleeing constantly in order to escape to the capitalist US"------>Then why is Cuba ranked no. 6 on the global HPI index if Cubans r so unhappy? Most Cuban who flee to the US have a PDS theft record even Indian media confirmed
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy ----2-------->There are some fucked up Socialist states like Belarus that have poor HPI. Just lettin u kno I admit there r Socialist societies that r not run well, but Cuba is not one of 'em.
Hugo destroying the Venezeulan economy ? How? by opening up more schools, free health clinics , adult literacy progs, food camps rather than by depositing it in Swiss bank and US bank like all his predecessors?
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy Is continues to nationalize industries and is attempting to centrally plan their economy. We all know where that goes. So he seized some wealth and built some health clinics. You think that is going to last? The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money. Time and time again this has been proven true.
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps ----------Is continues to nationalize industries and is attempting to centrally plan their economy.----------->People say proper prior planning is the key to a good successful and disciplined life from Church to School to Home but when it comes to the economy, it suddenly becomes invalidated ?? ? ? ? ?
"So he seized some wealth and built some health clinics"----->He seized wealth generating industries that were engaging in CAPITAL FLIGHT and invested it in da people.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy So you are a fan of central planning? You honestly think that a small group of bureaucrats can manage an economy better than the people acting in self-interest? If so, do you at least concede that it is morally wrong to deny the people the freedom to decide what is best for them and their families?
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps ----------o you are a fan of central planning? ---------->Not in a Stalinist or a Maoist sense but more in a Titoist sense (provincial planning).......yeah I do support planning.
"morally wrong to deny the people the freedom to decide what is best for them and their families?"------>Not as wrong as having hard working people starve to death after a long days of toil. Most sweatshops, child labour etc,. is wayt prominent in capitalist developing country's than Socialist....
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps -----------The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money.---------->Tiny Cuba has done superb without a backer. Most Socialist countries in the world relied on USSR as a core trading partner, so when USSR fell, a lot of Socialist countries also fell.
If US falls likewise, the capitalist superstructure will also take a huge plunge. Latin America today as a lead is already beginning 2 lean towards SOcialism.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy The only way the US will fall is if we abandon free markets and adopt the failed model of socialism.
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
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@JoeTCaps -----------The only way the US will fall is if we abandon free markets and adopt the failed model of socialism. -----------> Or by getting too greedy and spending more than what u can take in overseas wars ;)
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps you mean the free markets that would outsource jobs if labor is cheaper elsewhere?
tritonraider 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy Why does Cuba's public sector employment continue to decline? If socialism is working so great, why does private sector employment continue to grow?
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps -----------why does private sector employment continue to grow?--------->To cater to the services sector chiefly tourism. Govt doesn't involve itself in service sectors too much, even in Socialist countries as the chief emphasis is on heavy industry and agriculture.
"Why does Cuba's public sector employment continue to decline"---->More Cubans want to work in service sector not in industrial compared 2 yesteryear. That doesn't prove Socialism is failing tho.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy You fail to mention that Capitalism is failing. Also, although Cuba is called socialist, it doesn't make it socialist. It was a petty-bourgeois revolution, not a working class one. There was no Marxist theory. Casto admired fascist ideology in his university days.
TheMarzpro 1 year ago
@TheMarzpro Capitalism only "fails" when socialist bastards get ingrained into a free market capitalist government. They then try to sabotage the system. It's happening here in the U.S. RIGHT NOW with NObama. THANKFULLY Conservatives were elected IN-MASS this last election and took the House also gaining enough in the Senate to filibuster.The Marxist CRAP sabotage of NObama can finally be stopped in it's God forsaken tracks. Socialists are such FOOLS.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 O? really? i guess Obama should have let the lowest tier of the american society Rot like they did at tbeginning of the depression in the 1930's right? cause you know... the economy will eventually recover and as long as the people on the top get to eat no matter how many of those in the bottom go down your country will still be there right? anyone thinking otherwise would end up being a socialist after all...
KOGR11 1 year ago
@KOGR11 Obama did nothing, but make things worse increasing the National Dept to unsustainable levels. Liberals/SOCIALIST same thing...do not function well in a capitalist economy. In fact the Liberal Socialists in government had a great deal to do with the "economic crisis"/recession. Encouraging/TELLING loan companies and others to give out loans and housing to lower income people that they KNEW could not sustain payment or pay these companies back. it's on TAPE.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
FDR was the WORST economic President we've ever had...until now. Who is Obama's "idol"? FDR. FDR had a 90%+ tax on the rich back then. He wanted to suck Stalin's dick as well. You don't comprehend the CAUSE of failures and that is interfering SOCIALISM in a Capitalist system. OF COURSE that would cause waves and could eventually cause it to fail if the Socialist BULLSHIT isn't stopped.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 your opinion about FDR is strictly your opinion. whatever roosevelt did was to eleviate the hardship of the common people of the country, the people who really make up America, and if it required him to tax those who were all too comfortable with their neighbours starving on the streets right beside their homes then its only the reasonable thing to do.
KOGR11 1 year ago
@KOGR11 No it's a matter of history. If you tax people with more money chances are it may be a business. Taxed business' cannot hire more people. They cannot afford to do things they could before. They have to raise prices. This transfers to your "common people". Everyone is "common people". Class warfare is so full of shit...
The thing that took us out of the depression was nothing FDR did. It was World War II that did it, because it caused the war industry to accelerate 1000%.
007CTHULHU007 1 year ago
@007CTHULHU007 Obviously your studies on FDR is flawed since if it wasnt for him and his policies , socialists and communists would have taken over the US a LONG time ago, yes leftist groups got THAT strong in the US among the lower and lower middle class during the depression.. for obvious reasons of unemployment and prior government's inaction to do anything about their hardships during depression. Go study some books about those days before you say anything about FDR.
KOGR11 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy Tell all the people starving in North Korea how much less stressful their lives are than their brothers in the south. I'm sure that they will find that comforting.
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
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@JoeTCaps 0-------------ell all the people starving in North Korea how much less stressful their lives are than their brothers in the south. I'm sure that they will find that comforting. ----------->They starved only after 1993, before that NK was quite prosperous. I would like to see how SOuth Korea fares after US falls and they get blanket sanctions....
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps--------->They starved only after 1993, before that NK was quite prosperous. I would like to see how SOuth Korea fares after US falls and they get blanket sanctions....
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy What is your point? That socialism/communism works for awhile and then everyone starves but that is OK because everybody is "equal?" No thanks, but I'd rather not starve and deal with inequity in my society.
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
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@JoeTCaps -----------What is your point? That socialism/communism works for awhile and then everyone starves but that is OK because everybody is "equal?-------->LOL here we go round the bush again.......my point was that Socialism works on GINI and on cost minimization, whereas capitalism works on GDP and income maximization.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@royray217 -----------If humans could be completely altruistic, then Communism would succeed. --------->That's why u have Socialism :) Big difference between Socialism and Communism. Socialism uses PDS / CMP churning industry to bring forth equitable less exploitative lifestyles.
If u look at factory owners in India, they are rich enough to send kids to US 4 school but the workers who toil like dogs 4 them can't even afford 2 meals to eat...forget shelter and education etc.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy -----------> Marx's version of communism cannot exist. From a technical standpoint it's not feasible or desirable though when thought about in a completely uncritical manner, it sounds very nice. Also, humans can't be made to be completely altruistic.
TommyWaters 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ----------Marx's version of communism cannot exist. From a technical standpoint it's not feasible ---------->I am vouching for Socialism not for Communism under Marx :) COmpletely different worlds. Capitalism aspires for GDP centric economy, Socialism goes for a GINI centric 1. Both GDP and GINI are mathematical and scientific concepts so no way can u say Socialism is unfeasable.....
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy ------> Since GINI's goal is to measure inequality of certain categories like income, you bring to light that socialism's proclaimed goal is to make everyone equal. But bringing artificially bringing about someone's version of equality does not work and leads to lack of individual freedom and replaces it with totalirianism and suffering wherever it's been seriously pursued. Read your history. Why should someone have to submit to having their opportunities and talents diminished
TommyWaters 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ------------Why should someone have to submit to having their opportunities and talents diminished----------->So that others can have social mobility. Look at my country we have 60 percent plus agrarian base who are stagnant in their income group w/o any scope of upward mobility because what they make even after hours of toil isin't enough to afford them a meal.
U have 5-10 percent of the pop leeching off this HUGE pop base to sustain their luxury life. Enforced poverty is not coo
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy -----> Capitalism hurts social mobility while socialism advances it???!!! How does socialism do this? Also, how does capitalism cause poverty? Are people really in poverty because of the existence of capitalism, a relatively new economic system compared to others tried in the past like feudalism? Did poverty increase when capitalism is practiced by a country?
TommyWaters 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ---------Did poverty increase when capitalism is practiced by a country?--------->AB SO LU TE LY. That';s why Naxal rebellion now encompasses one sixth of our entire nation. After 1990s, urban and cosmopolitan locales grew faster than New York, whilst agrarian and provincial townships slid worst than Sub Saharan Africa.
As per UN food report , our food security is comparable to T'Chad after 1990s reform.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ----------Capitalism hurts social mobility while socialism advances it???!!! How does socialism do this?--------->Short answer? By setting price ceilings and floors on commodities especially necessities to ensure ppl like farmers in India (for example) and unorganized labour (majority of work force here) aren't excluded from basic rights like education, proper 3 meals a day, medical care and so on. This is made possible by operating a PDS firm rather than a PTE LTD firm.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy -------2--------->PTE LTD's produce where demand and supply meet. PDS firms produce on the furthest possible point of the supply curve. If u apply this to medicare, food and housing, u can see how social mobility is advanced.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@TommyWaters -------Why should someone have to submit to having their opportunities and talents diminished--------->U r talents are not diminished who said they are? Just because u don't get million bucks don't mean u r not important figure in society. U get recognition and power as a tradeoff if u do something spectacular (Examples: Mikoyan, Kalashnikof etc). How's about Capitalism and how it pays off non economic yet socially important functions like SCHOOL TEACHER?! They r grossly underpaid.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy ----> So who decides what other people should get and how they should be compensated for their talents, ideas, and opportunities? It shouldn't be left to the individual involved and the impersonal market? Who should decide my man?
TommyWaters 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ----------It shouldn't be left to the individual involved and the impersonal market? Who should decide my man?---------->Then u mean to say farmers in India deserve to starve even after working for 14 hours a day? Some individuals can impose their bargaining power on others to such extremes. This is the flop of a free for all market, especially in developing countries.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ---------nd leads to lack of individual freedom and replaces it with totalirianism and suffering ---------->Then why is my Socialist Kerala regarded as the ONLY state in the country that is classified as "second world" ? It has highest literacy and HDI rate in the country and we don't even have as much industry as other states do....
In Communist system tho, u don't have to take up Banking because Teaching pays crap. A LOT of Indians don't take up teaching coz of pay issue.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy -----> Is teaching education mainly administered by the government like it is in the U.S.? Then it's paid w/ taxpayer dollars. But without getting too deep into that, how would a system where people are paid on what someone (who knows who) decides how much their pay is worth as opposed to the market rate? Even in the US teachers are paid more than their market rate, at least while it's administered by the gov't instead of largely privatized.
TommyWaters 1 year ago
@TommyWaters --------and leads to lack of individual freedom and replaces--------->I dunno I personally feel I have more power over my life in Socialist Kerala than I ever did in the US. For one my kids would b nagging for a parent to stay home full time. The costs involved there simply made it unfeasable. I could hardly spend 2 hour- 3 hour a day w/ my family. I *HAD* to stress myself out just to sustain life.
I am MUCH MUCH MUCH more free now, hafve MUCH more time 4 hobbies family etc.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy -----> So why are the costs different in the country you live in now? And why is your socialist state considered second world and not first world? But most importantly, the first question, how have all your needs been taken care of? And is the rest of your country truly capitalist?
TommyWaters 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy ----> in order that someone else's version of equality is accomplished. Or that what they can earn because of what they produce is taken from them and given to another by a third party's biases?
TommyWaters 1 year ago
@royray217 ----------We always seek to do something that is to our benefit,--------->I have 2 kids aged 10 and 14. They only drain expenses and time out of me....they don't contribute to shit, and they don't benefit me in any way, only induce costs. Yet I happily provide for them and the idea of sending my kids to the Tatmadaw or to the coal mines to earn money and contribute to my benefit has never arisen in my mind.......
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy -----------> Dumb. Seeing your offspring do well doesn't benefit you??? Not even on a mental or emotional level??? Get outta here.
TommyWaters 1 year ago
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@TommyWaters -----------Seeing your offspring do well doesn't benefit you??? Not even on a mental or emotional level??? Get outta here.----------->Seeing my comrades do well makes me as happy as seeing my offspring do well. That was the point- think u misunderstood :D
I don't see why people get so touchy w/ their families but then "I'll only help if it benefits me" with the rest of their comrades ???
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy ----> Nope I think you missed the point. Seeing your family, friends, or anyone else you'd like to see do well, do well, is a benefit for you. So although you don't consider it such, when you do things for your family you unconsciously are doing it for your benefit. No one does anything without thinking about themselves, sometimes you just don't consciously do it. That's the difference but all motivation still starts with self at some level so true altruism is impossible.
TommyWaters 1 year ago
@TommyWaters -----------eeing your offspring do well doesn't benefit you???------------>U missed the point. The point was even if my offspring don't contribute directly 2 me, I still provide 4 them because I want to see them do well in life. But I have the same attitude towards all my comrades :)
Capitalists are so touchy w/ thier kith and kin but go "I'll only benefit others if it benefits me" with their comrades outside of their family circle.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
Socialism = Slavery
Think about it. A slave works but does not own the fruits of his labor. Things work the same way with socialism. I guess "socialism is good" if you are keen on the idea of being a slave.
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps --------->I live in a Socialist State (Kerala) and I find myself more free than my collegues in Mumbai, in Delhi (non Socialist states). Socialist states don't give u material comfort u may feel u deserve, but at the same time I don't have to scramble for funds like a crackhead to find my kids decent schooling and I am not at all worried about retiring and what will happen 2 me in my old age etc etc. I find life in Socialism is WAY more stress free than under capitalism.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy ---------2----------->Joe T Caps, I come from India and I visited both the Koreas (North and South) extensively. This was in the last phase of North's prosperity years this was in 1982. I could visit NK thru local invite no guided tour bullshit. I saw NK and I saw SK.
South Korea seemed SUPERB for about a week, but in the longer run, life just seemed so skull fuckin stressed! North Korea was MUCH MUCH more shanti shanti.
This was 1982 btw not after 1993 +. (poverty years)
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy --------3-------->Of course u might say "Well compare NK and SK TODAY!" Well, that is an unfair comparison, because a fair comparison TODAY would be a South Korea w/o a United States....
Capitalist societies go 4 wealth maximization. Socialist ones go for cost minimization.
U can see the implications here. And it all boils down 2 personal pref's. I am not too crazy about mansions and cars, but I want a stress free life, and Socialism fits the bill...
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy ------------> You simply don't know what you're talking about. Socialists concern isn't with costs at all and socialism is horrible at minimizing it. In order to maximize wealth, you must minimize costs. So you're actually admitting that the capitalist will try to minimize costs. You should really try to take a class in economics before making such embarrassing statements.
TommyWaters 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ------------In order to maximize wealth, you must minimize costs. ---------->But u go for optimal profit point which is where demand and supply intersect. Socialist economies operate on the far right hand corner (as possible) of the supply curve (on supply and demand graph) .
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ------------Socialists concern isn't with costs at all and socialism is horrible at minimizing it. ------------>Then what's PDS and CMP all about? :D Find me ANY good u can buy in supermarket and compare it w/a PDS or a CMP godown, costs are like one millionth the cost.
In my state we get State subsidized electricity. Even compare to a developing (and similar income level) country lik Philippine or Thailand we pay a tiny fraction of what they pay for the SAME appliances used
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy ---------> How long did you live in a mainly capitalist and free society like the United States? Freedom from stress may be the most important ideal to you but it may not be for others where you live. Who is to decide what the ultimate ideal should be for everyone else? No one should be able to decide this for another man or woman. The socialist doctrine demands that this be decided and therefore that someone must decide for someone else.
TommyWaters 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ---------------Who is to decide what the ultimate ideal should be for everyone else?-------->Yeah tell that to an Indian farmer who wants to send his kid to a good school but cannot afford THE PRICE.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ---------How long did you live in a mainly capitalist and free society like the United States?---------->Six years and I was quite successful :) However, I just couldn't stand the mechanization of life, the apathy found in people toward one another, lack of any sort of a commune, and STRESS after a while. I just had to book it back to my Socialist Kerala state India even if I make 1/100000th what I made in US. Life's MUCH better here in terms of being chill.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ----------The socialist doctrine demands that this be decided and therefore that someone must decide for someone else---------->U can say I AM ME a LOT easier in a Socialist country than in a capitalist one. Ever heard of Free Land USe Act? U see a plot of land, it's yours. U can farm THC in it, u can build u r self a home, but u won't get govt aid. Only thing is u can't hire labour u have to work u r self.
In capitalist country that is drug charge and tresspassing charge = JAIL.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy -----> Hey dude, what's the government's job in a socialist country? What is their mission and how do they accomplish it?
TommyWaters 1 year ago
@TommyWaters ----------Hey dude, what's the government's job in a socialist country? What is their mission and how do they accomplish it?--------->The mission in the Socialist country is to carry out a set of 5 year plans, each w/ a different specific objective (1st 5 yr plan is for agro, 2nd five year plan is to bring about light industry, third for heavy industry, 4th for industrializing agro, 5th for introducing services etc).
This is done thru public sector enterprises.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@xxxdieselyyy If your socialist paradise was working so well why was your government forced to lighten restrictions against capitalism in the 90s? If socialism really is so great, why did you need to water it down in order to prosper? Most people in non-socialist countries do not have to scramble like crackheads for schooling and most here retire comfortably. You are obviously ignorant with regard to the lifestyles of non-socialists.
JoeTCaps 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps -----------f your socialist paradise was working so well why was your government forced to lighten restrictions against capitalism in the 90s? ------------>Because USSR was our chief trading partner obviously before 90s. Also leaders after Indhira Gandhi were more interested in personal wealth accumulation rather than running the country. Why else would we use our own Army to displace folk in Tribal areas to accomodate foreign companies?
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
@JoeTCaps --------Most people in non-socialist countries do not have to scramble like crackheads for schooling and most here retire comfortably.--------->I think u r thinking first world country, I am thinking third world. My collegues living in Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, Chennai etc., most certainly are forced to scramble for a good school, some even had 2 sell their wifes jewels.
xxxdieselyyy 1 year ago
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have you men ever lived in the soviet union? if you did, you certainly wouldn't say communism is good
dav67u8 1 year ago
Let's see you have more than one child. Really? "Public Ownership?" There are NO examples anywhere on this planet where that works. Socialism is good alright - good for those in the top tiers of government, everyone else is a slave (where slavery is defined as an entity taking 33% or more of a person's productivity by force). No; socialism, communism, (NAZI means national SOCIALIST worker's party) are all evil resulting in lower living standards, more crime, worse health and so on. Duh!
jhnmnlflrs 1 year ago
nice <3
ElGuerilero 1 year ago
socialism works so well we pull money out of the future to fund it... pfff Naive is the socialist.. The only socialism that can be said to succeed in the long term, is small communities... Like Amish small.... The larger population and diversity, the more impossible and improbable, and STUPID socialism becomes.
Clyaton 1 year ago
My My look what we have here, Immature Fan Fans. Grow up you little morons.
Sambucacat 1 year ago
are they chinese??
cplasgaunas1 1 year ago
Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany
just saying...
captinseperoth 1 year ago
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pikachupaige8 1 year ago
Hail Hitler! Hail Stalin! Down with Capitalism! Socialism Forever! No one should have more money than another person! Everyone should be equal and the same! If you should be too tall you will be killed. If you should be too short you will be killed. If you should be too fat you should be killed. If you should work hard for yourself and keep more than others you should be killed! DEATH TO AMERICA! THEY MUST DIE. YOUTUBE MUST DIE IT IS A PRODUCT OF AMERICA! NO ONE MUST BE BETTER THAN SOCIALISM!
klunegroup 1 year ago
@klunegroup I couldn't have said it better.
jason1973tl 1 year ago
fuck america and fuck capitalism long live comrade stalin
cooldan11 1 year ago
socialism kicks capitalist ass
Sajeepanx10 2 years ago
Socialism is not good it is not natural of human being
amliketocomment 2 years ago
Ah fuck politics i'm just gonna keep listening to me rock, regardless of country of origin.
shinra18 2 years ago
go socialism kill capitalists :D
theblakedestroyer 2 years ago
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Socialism is for poor people and overpopulated places with no room left =/
I'm going to stick with Capitalism ^.^
Entertaining vid tho =D
bylime 2 years ago
FUCK SOCIALISM !!
BelayaArmiyaForever 2 years ago
Great Video, Comrades. It's good to see others pushing Socialism into he rock genre!
DomObliteration 2 years ago
How do you get people to work and go above and beyond when they have no monetary incentive to do so. That is why places like America and Japan invent all the new toys you play with. They have an incentive to do so with Capitalism. Not so with Socialism.
jason1973tl 2 years ago 4
socialism never succeeds anywhere it is tried.
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personperson666 2 years ago
Besides almost everytime. Its good for the poor and kind of bad for the rich.
personperson666 2 years ago
@jason1973tl
where has an actual democratic socialism been used? and what do you mean fail?
kinglewisjtl24 2 years ago
Venezuela elected Chavez and look at the shape the country is in now. It is falling apart in a very short period of time. Also look at Greece with their triple b credit rating. Several other European socialist countries are also going bankrupt. When there is no incentive to weed out corruption, fraud and give incentive to hard work it simply falls apart.
jason1973tl 2 years ago
thanks!
kinglewisjtl24 2 years ago