It is absolutely torture says Right winger Radio Host when Waterboarded

[jotnkonk28]

when he says that he'll confess to anything.That means anything they ask him ,he'll say yes .

He doesn't have to be guilty. Innocent People confess on extreme police interrogation.Now, that's not even physical like this.

If you didn't kill someone and they 're drowning you in water .You'll say yes so they can stop 2.You can talk when you experience it .

[BigDanWoT]

Yeah, it's torture. This doesn't change the fact that Kieth Olberman is an insufferable douche and would be better off killing himself.

[RvNYC]

Yes it is torture. It works, as per Mancow's, "I would confess to anything" comment. It is afterall the reason WHY it was used.

I propose that next time the CIA try roses and chocolates. They will not only reveal all plans of attack but will immediately convert to modern secular humanism and want to same-sex marry each other so as to openly affirm their newly found committed-ness-ness.

[Jakearoo14]

That's badass.

[3monkeysmomma]

If you think waterboarding is bad try CHILDBIRTH, you sissies!

[goffnett]

I don't think mankind had much to do with Israel becoming a nation again. Jeremiah 23:1-8

[Scrap5000]

omfg, these enemies of ours decapitate us when they kidnap us, and they complain about water in their face? get the fuck out of here.

put a sword to his throat or a pitcher of water over his face and then ask which he'd prefer.

[lezlitaz]

i dont think they came to our country and kidknapped people. i think they were over there

[bonzaibb12]

excuse me but we invaded there country and killed there children , brothers, sisters mothers and fathers. We invaded there country when Sadam had nothing to do with WMD's then Bush made up BS about there being an Alkaida connection .grow up and stop believeing propaganda. In fact look up the meaning of propaganda it will change your life.

[Scrap5000]

Oooooh, so I guess that makes it ok for them to behead captives. Excuse me, but you're a moron.

[bonzaibb12]

Honey if you killed my family I would walk over fire to take off your head. Any person with love for there family would do it too. I suppose you think bullets and chem weapons are human ? whos the moron here. Sick idiot

[Scrap5000]

1. I'm not your honey

2. There are rules in war set by the geneva convention, and one of them is that you cannot muder your prisoners by slicing off their heads. Have you ever seen a real decapitation?? You would shut up quickly when you compared it to this. You'd faint from watching the back & forth slicing action needed, like cutting a slice off of a large ham, the blood spurting and gurgling & choking noises they make. You're a fool.

3. No, they are not "human"; they are "humane".

[bonzaibb12]

Honey Honey Honey.. Grow up and read the Geneva convention ! We broke it and cannot expect others to play by the rules.

I have seen a decapitation and I know what it looks like. Have you seen our soldiers use white phosporous on newborn babies ? Humm I'd rather have my head chopped off. its quick and much less painless than dying from starvation and disease like we have done to millions of there children now shut up and grow up.

[Scrap5000]

Blah blah blah blow it out your ass. You are a stupid broken liberal and it's obvious that no amount of logic will ever fix you.

[bonzaibb12]

Liberal : ) you are a hilarious brainwashed bahahahahah . sheep : )

I am as much of a liberal as you are a realist. LOL Try Libertarion. I am no longer responding to your stupidity. But no doubt your kindergarten ways will compell you to call one last name. : ) Im a rolling on the ground

[Scrap5000]

Ooooh, you're a libertarion? Well then maybe we CAN get along after all.

Ron Paul 2012?

[bonzaibb12]

Because of his age I do not think he will run again but he will probably endorse someone new. It would be nice if Michael Badnarik ran. He's been on the seen a while but I do not think the rest of the sheeple will go for him.

[fomastephanovitch]

It would be a good thing, he'd close down the department of education so providers will have to compete.

This might lead to grown adults being capable of spelling libertarian among other things.

[phantomcharger]

There are no rules in a real war

The only rule is to win, no other.

And the only thing you can count on your enemy to do is not follow any rules and to do all they can do to win

[oefsofsoldier]

Thanks for posting this. I think it may have inspired me to do a similar video. As a vet, and a soldier, I think I can outlast 6 seconds, but the demonstration would be powerful none the less. Thanks again.

[andie2244]

Checkmate

[IaoGawd]

Or make people confess to 'plots' that then can be used to justify government action.

Hypothetically... like torturing someone until they admit to WMD's in Iraq... and then using that 'information' to justify invading Iraq.

Hypothetically... :)

[JP5466]

Would liberals change there minds about this if THEIR family members were killed?

[thinkrevolution]

Would fake conservatives still support the war if they knew that it was all a big fraud and nothing a profit-making scheme by the global elite who control both sides?

[IaoGawd]

Anyone who tosses their morals out the window because it's their children or family... needs to re-evaluate what their morals are.

If times get tough and you throw them out the window, then how strong were your morals to begin with? "I don't believe in evolution / Science... unless I need a flu shot or antibotics because I'm sick."

With your logic, retaliation / revenge killings would be legal and encouraged simply by asking "What would you do to the man who molested your little girl?"

[constrength]

The argument shouldn't be whether its torture or not, but whether we are willing to do this and other things to get information from bad people. Me personally, I am willing to do anything and everything to keep my friends and family safe.

[thinkrevolution]

The problem is, what about those being waterboarded who are not necessarily "bad people" (as you call them) ?

[constrength]

Your logic doesn't make sense. If there was no reason to waterboard them why would they do it and try to keep it a secret. Your conspiracy theory mind must keep you up a lot at night.

[IaoGawd]

What stops white racists from killing blacks / browns out of fear for their families? Or, on the other hand, blacks from killing whites based on the terrible history of slavery?

All you ever have to do is say "I perceived a threat. I was protecting my friends and family."

You have to operate within the legal system or there's no law. We'll find ourselves in an oppressive nation where the President / Dictator does anything and everything they want out of "protecting the People."

[DillonX]

Bring up PelosIi before a Congressional Commitee and SWEAR IN - also Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld-- GET TO THE TRUTH!

[WiseEarthMan]

why dont you guys revolt against your corrupt govt?...Its beyond a joke..

[motherlegion6]

If it's torture, charge all the liberals that have done it to others, and charge anybody that commits acts of torture on tv for entertainment purposes

[airborne373]

Got indefinite detention?

Isn't waterboarding a new American value?

Obama = Bush on steroids.

[khamdoun]

They did it the easy way. Why didn't they do it the way they really do it?

[jokinaroun100]

wow this guys stupid he has to have it done to know its torture,I don't have to experience this to know it would feel like shit.And why would they do if it wasn't torture

[swizzlecheeks]

Why would waterboarding take precedence over the problem of thousands of little kids getting blown up or destroyed in the endless bombing and fighting going on overseas? I think murdering innocent kids, no matter what ethnic background, is alot more pressing issue!! How can a parent stand to see their kids suffering like that and not be able to remove them from the daily dangers for years now? Waterboarding is not good but murdering innocence is worse!

[NeonBKP]

I think Sean Hannity should be water boarded too.!

[soulharvest2012]

Right on.

[MbootwoKcoonie]

LOL ;-]

[eddybuddz]

theres no reason to torture people its a discrase and not american

[WESHMAN50s]

fuckeries

[DillonX]

Hannity should be next unless he turns out to be a CHICKEN!!

[goffnett]

Okay America, what will you allow the Intelligence agencies to do to terrorist in order to acquire information that will protect your fellow Americans? Isn't it true that all of you that are so upset by this are those who haven't owned or operated a firearm? Never grew up near a farm, let alone on one? Think separation of church and state is written somewhere in the Constitution of the United States? Like the idea of big government and enjoy paying taxes?

[KnowledgesPower]

next Dick Cheney!

[LadyBuggin777]

hummm i thought gerald was in this video? nun the less this is sick~ drowning!

[adamsinclair007]

Waterboarding is torture. Torture is against the law. Cheney is a bitter old man who belongs in a cell.

[goffnett]

It isn't against the law! Congress approved it, and our laws don't apply in WAR, if that were the case our soldiers wouldn't be allowed to shoot the enemy, they would have to call 911 and explain the situation to a bored operator. It is war, we are still at war.

... somebody tell the enemy to stop dragging American bodies down the street and cutting heads off, Lucy from California is going to call CHIPS if they don't halt their behaviour immediately.

[adamsinclair007]

Congress approved it? Are you kidding me? Show me the paper trail on that. And yes, even in war, laws and treaties still apply.

And no one condones one fucking trickle of the barbaric actions done by the enemy. But does that mean we should just start cutting their heads off publicly? Is that how we're supposed to look to the rest of the world? WE ARE NOT TERRORISTS. AMERICA SHOULD NOT TORTURE.

[Drowzyy]

this is great but i seriously doubt it will have any impact on the distraction.. i mean debate, if it gets addressed they will pull the classic move of marginalizing that radio host

[KhmerSerey1]

Oh the humanity !! beam me up scotty !! do it quickly.

[HollyPhi]

This is an extreme method of torture. No one should ever be treated this way. Not saying a low life terrorist is worth living but what I am saying is that this form of torture would get anyone to admit to anything for them to stop. So what ever that person confesses to can't be taken for truth. What a sad and sick world we live in.

[daskcool]

I am confused... Is it alleged that we used waterboarding to get detainees to confess to crimes or was it to get actionable intelligence on something imminent? If given a choice of something horrific happening or waterboarding one of these guys I would bet that Obama would choose the former. I would bet this is mild compared to what we have done in past wars when we were less squeamish about such things. I mean harsh talk and yelling could be considered torcher in some quarters.

[RobbyRichards]

Where does the president claim the authority to make such a call?

The 8th amendment prohibits the use of cruel and unusual punishment. The executive branches' powers are expressely enumerated in the constitution and it must stay within those confines.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security deserve neither and ultimately lose both"

Here's the alarming concern: If waterboarding is not torture then it IS a matter of time until it is used against us!

[netmasta10bt]

wheres gerald celente in all of this?

[alex3914]

Obama is a puppet.

We've been moving to a one world government for a while now...

LIsten foriegners not from the us...

If america and it's constittution falls...so goes the rest of the world.

Obama is a new world order puppet.

Vote Paul in 2010

[onerpone]

ITS OFFICIAL! I now despise Barack Obama as much as George W. Bush1He refuses to pressure the Attorney General to PROSECUTE Bush for his illegal WIRE TAPPING and TORTURING ways.Its becoming real clear that our government tortured detainees not for information but for forced confessions2He's NOT pushing for Single Payer Health Care3He's killing innocent civilians in Afghanistan and is killing Americans troops in these failed 2 wars he refuses to end. Even the NY Times says he's Dick Cheneys BITCH

[C1Era]

@onerpone Obama would never get re-elected, bush would never be prosecuted, he has been pushing for universal healthcare A LOT, He has pulled out of Iraq and is in where we should have been from the begining -Afghanistan

[jonvssocrates]

I thought that msnbc "reporter" was fired for being a joke?

Seriously, like 3-4 months ago. I swear msnbc fired him.

[menderfire9]

Oh my dear God. How sad and mad a world we live in.

[5starrater1]

Great.  Torture is now entertaining.

[dan020350]

i don't like drinking water backwards the nose, ears, mouth.......

[dan020350]

i love eating chicken wings, no matter its the left or the right

[ekjohnson9]

great... we actually acknowledge that there is a Geneva convention.

do ya really think that water bording is the worst we do to "enemy combatants", water boarding was public knowledge so all the secret shit is most likely a lot worse.

[Sixthick66]

keith olbermann a form of torture.condescending self righteous holier than thou BS. I guarantee olbermann would OK blowtorches& bolt cutters (REAL TORTURE) on someone w/ SUSPECTED knowledge that MIGHT save olbermanns loved ones or HIMSELF( a celebrity after all w/ so much to offer the world.)in the abstract he talks big, but YOU KNOW he would use any means necessary in a real life situation. like all the left, HIS skin is precious. Obama has reserved ALL GWB EIT's, rendition,detainment.WAKE UP

[Sixthick66]

those not in favor of waterboarding to save a loved one is a liar or delusional."torture" rightly begins when PERMANENT damage is done, not when someone is made to feel panic. waterboarding by the japs in WW2 that got them executed involved the DEATH of the US soldiers-stomachs

/lungs filled with saltwater.Obama is keeping ALL the GWB tactics;w/name change to fool his useful idiots. we water-bd.. they behead, amputate, burn, desecrate.relativism run amok, thy name is liberalism.get real.

[jisangNY1]

No need to use racial slurs Sixthick66. You're a dummy.

[Sixthick66]

JAPanese...don't like a contraction of the word change the name to Apan, filled with Apanese...then we can just say Aps...can you pick some more fly poop out of pepper? or was that your best input?

[aloneandimmortal]

try this - when shower - put the shower cap with water comming out of that in front of your face - it sucks so much - you can resist more than 3 seconds!

[oc5nsli341nforce4]

Imagine that this will be the hallmark mark of Fama in the near future.

[Mongodelight]

uplifting

[PestControl02]

yea- it's torture. never should have been allowed.

oberman is an establishment TOOL-

he's just like hannity, they pour kool-aid all day.

they can't be trusted.

[30percentplusreturns]

What is it with these left wing loons sticking up for terrorist rights. Whether waterboarding is torture or not is totally irrelevant. First of all, we dont torture captives. We follow the geneva conventions unlike many other countries who cut peoples heads off. Where is the olberman rage there? Second, I am just baffled why a hack like olberman does everything in his power to discredit the united states military and feels bad for poor khaleid sheik mohammad because he got water down his nose!

[TheOriginalJoeBloggs]

Everyone that does not believe it is not torture should step up to the plate and experience it themselves - the biggest thing about humanity (*laughs*) is the way some dream up more evil ways to kill\torture his fellow man. . .really sad, and not matter how you rationalize it, it is still EVIL

[TheOriginalJoeBloggs]

Correction : "does not believe it is not torture" should read "does not believe it is torture" :D

[mrchrismcphail]

If it isn't torture then why do it?

If it is torture then why aren't we imprisoning our criminal leaders?

[goffnett]

Did he wear ear plugs? I've seen 4 year old kids almost drown and complain less. Now lets set Keith Olbermann on fire and have him jump out a third story window. He can wear protective clothing and land on a air cushion. Then lets take mancow and do the same and ask which is worse and if they'd like it if their mother and her co-workers were on fire with no protective suit and jumped out of a window from 700 feet with no air cushion? That would make this study more scientific. 3 poor terrorist

[uclaztec2]

Now it's time for Sean Hannity to step up and be tortured.

[mrchrismcphail]

I like that!

[GeraldCelenteChannel]

If you think that a Regime that uses torture against "foreign combatant" in order to extract "Information" cannot use these same methods against its own citizens "subjects" , then you must be walking over your head ...All those who are for the torture and for FEMA Camps will end up tortured in a FEMA Camp before anybody else , what goes around comes around , you have been warned

[toogood6996]

word

[000deadcalm000]

Mrcharliebobo...you are such a tough guy eh...what you fail to realize is that it is against the rule of law. The point of this is that this "torture is a very slippery slope. With the rampant declaration of everyone who doesn't agree with the government being labelled as a domestic terrorist, hence with no rights, this could be done to you and you're children and there is fuck all you could do about it..what are ya gonna do...fight the cops, the feds?? The truth is u live in a facist country.

[chevytheplayer]

Thank you for sounding informed, most people think its ok to torture someone, until its them however anyways may I point you to a video playlist called "The most important video ever! Must watch"

It describes EVERYTHING, no aliens, no bs, facts with documentation.

Its what the mainstream media decided you are not allowed to know

[Mrcharliebobo]

WHO FUCKING CARES!!!! If there is people try to inflict harm, bodily injury and death on me or mine, I would torture every last mutha fucking one of them to prevent that from happening!!! END OF STORY!!!

[Mrcharliebobo]

And they would wish it was water boarding instead of what I would do!! they would be begging for it!!!!!!

[IaoGawd]

If you ran our country, then none of us would have any freedoms. Might doesn't make right.

Our government takes oaths to "Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States," for without it, we have no nation.

You don't understand the concept of high moral ground and that's a threat to freedom. Our fore fathers defeated Hitler and the Japanese without torture... and executed those who waterboarded.

Just because you're scared doesn't excuse you and others to destroy our liberties.

[chevytheplayer]

Then don't bitch about it when it happens to your troops, k

[Mrcharliebobo]

Don't bitch about what? the torture? or the beheading after??? because that's what they do!!! pantie waste!!

[chevytheplayer]

So what difference does it make if either way you are going to die?

Also I'm tired of the Arm chair generals that think this is a RPG and troops need experience points or something.

BTW you do know the US installed the radical muslims and overthrew elected governments that didn't bend to US will, just read the book "Confessions of a economic hitman"

At least have an understanding on why you are at "war"

[centervilletn]

to myself the issue isnt weather or not its torture...its what it does to the person who person who does the torture/interagation ...would you want that person as a neighbor?....a spouse, ..the spouse of your daughter?....a person who is able to detach themselves from the psycholocical inhabitions of inflicting harm on others when they are not in immediate danger is not NORMAL...if we must do these things i think we had better consider hiring foriegners to do it...

[Swifive]

This is bull crap. It is uncomfortable as hell AND scary as well.  But to tell you, it was the initiation for my high school swim team.

[condorito29]

By the way, I think this whole "waterboarding mancow" or "christopher hitchens" is more publicity stunt than anything else.

especially mancow.

[mrzack888]

mancow knows 9/11 was an Inside Job.

[radon1234567]

so let me get this straight, we cant pour water on people, but we can invade country after country and drop countless bombs and missiles? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! the police beat people up ALL THE TIME, AND GET AWAY with it!(my city of Minneapolis pays out millions every year for the victims of police brutality, isnt beating the shit out of people torture?) why can we stay focused on how WE are being treated by OUR government and stop crying for the people who want us dead!

[skibee50]

WTF do people think? It is a method to extract information . Cake and icecream just do not work!

[condorito29]

wow.... waterboarding is designed to make people tell their tormentors anything, thus enabling us to get information.

if people DIDN'T experience it as "torture", would they talk? fucking of COURSE not.

its designed to make people blab and FAST.

what do these morons think they are doing when they subject themselves to waterboarding? come away saying " its not that bad"??

Dumb asses, if it was like that, we wouldn't be USING it!!

[condorito29]

We make people THINK they are drowning, that's the whole point.

They are NOT going to die, because we have, or had, DOCTORS around and the tormentors KNOW how far they can go!

For Hitchens, or this radio guy to go in to waterboarding expecting it to be bearable, is BEYOND fucking stupid.

Its designed to NOT be bearable, morons.

[biped19]

Your posts are not clear. Are you for torture?

[scndamendment]

Not sure who you are addressing, but I'm not for torture at all, I support firing squad for terrorist murderers. You know what else is F'd up, why isnt Pelosi screaming that this was a "hate crime".....god liberals suck.

[condorito29]

I'm for people bothering to explain what they mean by certain terms.

For me, there is a difference between "coercive interrogation", and "torture".

"coercive interrogation" means using certain unbearable means in order to extract information. They have to be UN-bearable (that's why these idiots who walk away from waterboarding saying they "couldn't take it" are morons. its SUPPOSED to be that way)

(cont'd)

[condorito29]

At the same time, UN-bearable can mean a lot of things. For this to remain "interrogation" and not "torture", we must NEVER use more brutal unbearable methods when LESS brutal unbearable methods work. ie, don't cut out an eye when simple waterboarding will do.

Its just like warfare.

Warfare is TERRIBLE. But even in warfare there are rules. Do not destroy whole cities when simply defeating an army will do.

If you don't adhere to these kinds of rules, then things get ugly.

[condorito29]

And things get ugly when people DELIBERATELY cut off fingers.

Instead of "information", these guys want "revenge", or "sadistic pleasure", etc.

Get the info as humanely as possible, but GET THE INFORMATION.

This is, after all, WAR.

What, do you think we won at Normandy because we didn't want the Germans to suffer??

We blew those boys to BITS, for Gods sake, and you are going to tell me that waterboarding for vital information is somehow a no-no?

give me a BREAK.

[condorito29]

The rules for interrogation is the same for warfare in general.

Do it as HUMANELY as possible, but DO IT.

[chevytheplayer]

BTW this isn't a war its a occupation.. you know, the bad guys that james bond has to kill to save the world and kiss the girl, well yeah thats the US in Iraq. They had NO CONNECTIONS to 9/11 and done nothing to your nation.

History will judge this as the day the Fourth Reich terrorized the world from America, sad

[condorito29]

spoken like a true idiot.

read this to the sound of flutes, harps, and chirping birds in the background:

"If ONLY the United States wasn't in this world, then humanity would live in peaceful prosperity".

United States isn't perfect, but the rest of the world is ALSO far from perfect. This is EXACTLY why Unites States ends up dealing with the dangerous spots on the planet, while the europussies of this world pretend their impotence is a sign of virtue.

[chevytheplayer]

those boys were soldiers with GUNS, they could shoot back, and chances are they were "blowing" you to bits on your side too.

Also use your brain, you think a "terrorist" would just let you capture him alive? The same guys who are blowing themselves up are just waiting for you to pick them up?

They pick up innocent people buddy, also to transport them from Iraq, down to cuba takes time, you think people would have info that would help them after days of transport ?

BTW... Enjoy the depression

[biped19]

Would the process of killing a person be considered "coercive interrogation" regardless of the end result. Would it still be damaging physically or psychologically? Is death considered unbearable? And what if the interrogators just decided to kill the prisoner because they have outlived their usefulness or just don't care. Also, do the terrorists know they will not be killed? It seems like it would defeat the purpose of the interrogation if the prisoner knows they will not kill him.

[toogood6996]

your a dumbass

[condorito29]

you put a lot of thought into that.

i'm impressed.....lol

[toogood6996]

its torture dumbass it doesent work if you got 300 people to confess theyre witches they would under torture. cheney wanted false confessions to support a phony war.

[condorito29]

bullshit.

people don't confess to having killed kennedy until they've ALREADY confessed to whatever they were REALLY holding back.

the second the guy goes from "i don't know" to "I killed Julius Caesar", you know he's tapped out.

That's something the left won't tell you about torture.

They want to pretend its "ineffective" because people will say anything under duress.

THAT'S CRAP.

They'll say "anything" only when they have nothing else to say.

[toogood6996]

why dont you go try getting tortured yourself.

why do you think they executed people for waterboarding american troops.

they already tortured and killed 30 people doing this even children.

if they keep torturing until you confess, it it inevitable you will confess even if you didnt do what you confess to.

[condorito29]

do you know WHY they'll use "waterboarding" as a reason to kill people?

Because they'll use ANYTHING as an excuse to wage jihad.

How many of these terrorists are honest with themselves, for God's sake.

They won't say that they are killing kids in order to conquer the world for jihad.

No, much better to come up with any reason whatsoever in order to do it instead.

Have you ever wondered WHY its only the Muslims in Europe, for example, who go rampaging because of bad treatment?

[condorito29]

I mean, hell, we've waged war on LOTS of people, and they don't go around blowing people to bits.

We get along fine with the Japanese.

But had the Japanese been muslims, they'd be blowing kids up because someone got waterboarded fifty years ago.

Thats how these people think.

Its all colonialism from 100 years ago.

Or its all imperialism now.

Or its all Israel's fault.

NONE of this has ANYTHING to do with THEM??

I call bullshit.

[condorito29]

And besides, do you realize how comical you sound, when you say a muslim guy blows kids up in a cafe, because a co-religionist of his thought he might drown.

Hmmmm.....kids in a cafe on one hand, and a poor guy who THOUGH he was gonna drown on the other.

You make THIS moral equivalence?

[IaoGawd]

Muslims want self-rule. Our Founding Fathers fought a Revolution for it. The Monroe Doctrine dictates no foreign presence in the Americas, but it's okay for foreign presence in the MIddle East?

The M/E has gone from colonialism to puppet governments. Saudi Arabia is an oppressive, American puppet. The CIA overthrew a democratic Iran and installed the dictator Shah. We replaced the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq. American military in nearly every M/E nation for Oil. It's hypocrisy.

[septicbrainfluid]

And what if your the "terrorist" who was actually just some dude from Turkey visiting Pakistan and someone ratted you out as being a terrorist for a few hundred bucks in reward money... and you are tortured for years even though you really don't know shit, you don't even know what Al'Quada(sp?) is?

[goffnett]

Or what if you are just delivering a package and you have your legs blown off from a bomb planted by a terrorist and you don't even know what al qaeda is? Worse yet, what if you were a terrorist and you had your legs blown off because some other terrorist planted a bomb and didn't tell you about it, or what if .... and or what if ... Hey here is something real, 24 muslim countries are still cutting women's heads off, and cutting heads off of anyone who leaves the Muslim faith. How about that?

[septicbrainfluid]

"what if .... and or what if ... Hey here is something real."

My story was real. I wish I could remember the guys name right now. The thing is, a good number of those detainees AREN'T terrorist. The thing is, EVEN CIA reports say that torture does not produce reliable info, and no info ever WAS obtained that prevented any attacks.

I hate murdering terrorists as much as anyone, but allowing torture set a dangerous precedence. Your ant-terrorism 'laws' can be used against you.

[goffnett]

That's why they water boarded ALL THREE OF THEM! That makes perfect sense!

[sMC193]

"Your" is not right in that context. You should have written "you're". You should check your own credibility before you call someone a dumbass.

[toogood6996]

i dont give a shit this is youtube you douche

[sMC193]

Yes, I know. Douche.

[clearasvodka]

Well NO SH** ! If we could only get Cheney to do the same thing. Then maybe he would have some empathy! I mean I would sing like a canary if subjected to this! Most people would make stuff up just to make it end. It's no wonder many nations hate us. It's no wonder that there are terrorists plotting against us.

[scndamendment]

I wonder what jumping off the word trade center felt like. Was that torture? The media makes these terrorists into victims. Why do you suppose, or more appropriately HOW do you suppose the 3 terrorists that were water boarded found themselves in that precarious position? I doubt it was from philanthropy. Is the death penalty worse for mass murderers in our prisons....is abortion worse than this? that seems to be okay, Our priorities are seriously screwed.

[scndamendment]

So what if its torture. They're lucky they weren't aborted, or shot by firing squad, gas chambered or any other penalty that EVERY other country in the world would do to these animals. I bet if they killed a love one of yours you wouldnt think twice about "water boarding" give me a break.

[FranG1214]

It matters because we're supposed to be about justice and only convict people via due process of law. POWs should be afforded the same privileges you would want your citizens to enjoyed if ever detained abroad. Simple detention of these folks neutralizes any threat that they may cause.

It's a simple matter of not turning to the darkside of things in the name of doing something "good." That's doublethinking.

[condorito29]

The difference between both sides of this debates is this:

The side that is against waterboarding regards warfare on this planet as a kind of "civil war" between humanity, which should be unified under a single gov't if not now, eventually.

You guys believe that a planet with a single gov't is possible. Thats why you guys want to treat prisoners of war like cops treat people brought in for assualt and battery.

[condorito29]

I, on the other had, and people like me, do NOT believe a world gov't is possible.

More importantly, I think that any attempt at making one would be utterly DISASTROUS.

Mankind will NEVER be unified. EVER.

We will always have war here, and each tribe and civilization will desire to live under its OWN rules and values.

That's why prisoners of war are prisoners of WAR, not prisoners of some "global civil crime".

[condorito29]

Miranda rights and lawyers for prisoners of war is the logical extension of an EXTREMELY faulty idea.

Mankind will NEVER be one.

[scndamendment]

thats naive as hell. You stick to your principles, and once the liberals get control maybe you'll experience terror yourself. I bet then you won't be so naive to hug a tree politics

[FranG1214]

condorito you and sndamendment got me fukked up; I'm neither liberal nor right wing, i'm anti-state, and so I can look at this objectively because I despise both sides of the political aisle in Washington. They're all lying pricks. I'm not for a world gov't either so don't misrepresent me like that.

The problem with this country is mofos don't have any honor anymore. They think cowardly shit like hitting somebody with his back turned is macho. That's bullshit.

[FranG1214]

Not to mention all the innocent prisoners, or rather the ones that can never get convicted, that we are torturing without cause. You mofos are draining the lake to catch a few fish. How intelligent is that? People that short-sighted deserve the retaliation that will come from their stupidity.

[condorito29]

Greeaat...Any "retaliation" we get from the Muslim world is simply them being righteously angry out OUR mistakes.

You people on the far left deserve to live under the Taliban.

So us getting attacked, that has NOTHING to do with Islam, conquering the world for allah, and the global caliphate?

We bring all of this on ourselves?

Such steaming shit.

We hold these Taliban motherfuckers in prison without lawyers because they are TOO DANGEROUS to put back into circulation.

[condorito29]

And as far as Iraq, yea, Saddam wasn't the Taliban, but like Iran, the guy HAD to be dealt with eventually.

It was just TOOO dangerous to have Saddam's eyes opened after 9/11, to what just a handful of fellows can do with just a little money and a little training.

All Saddam had to do once anthrax hit New Jersey would be to pretend he had NOTHING to do with it.

And you dumb assed "we bring it on ourselves" dipshits on the left would have eaten HIS excuses like pumpkin pie.

[FranG1214]

Well I know who to look and watch out for in Obama youth brigades :-) Obama's gonna recruit y'all first.

[condorito29]

I don't care if you are libertarian.

If you are misguided, then you are misguided.

Sure, there WAS an element in "hitting back" with regards to Iraq. I'll give you that. I think Afghanistand just "wasn't enough".

But that's only PART of the story, buddy.

The truth is that Saddam HAD to be dealt with eventually.

What do you think went through HIS head after 9/11?

I bet the guy felt inspired.

A handful of guys with little money or training could pull off an attack, and he could DENY it.

[condorito29]

If an attack were made, Ron Paul would have done what he would do now: pretend that its OUR fault for getting in the business of others.......as if there was no possibility of it actually being the other way around.

Liberals and libertarians are incredibly condescending to the rest of the world.

Are they too stupid to do to us what we supposedly do to them?

Noo.....just a bunch of idiotic passive dark skinned people.

Far too dumb or innocent to be taken seriously.

[FranG1214]

No convictions yet for the 9/11 attacks. FBI has no evidence on Bin Laden. The elite class is using your patriotism to scam you into going along with this bullshit. Every word that comes out of the mouths of those idiots in Washington is a goddamn lie.

People dying for super rich white men who can't even tell you with facts why your dying, other than "trust me?" That's husling 101 and I aint the one. Nothing more deadly than a fool with a cause. But more power to you bro.

[condorito29]

hahahaha....

ok. I'm done arguing with you.

You've crossed a line.

You've entered cloud nine here, with your whole "Osama Bin Laden is a CIA invention crap".

Yep....Big, bad, super mean United States makes up villains on TV, to goad its people to go to war.

You need to spend 10 years in Saudi Arabia, so you can have your eyes opened as to WHAT the US of A really is.

Any fucking moron who says its us that its us that's Saudi Arabia, doesn't know what world he lives in.

[chevytheplayer]

aww, can't even look outside the box, or even investigate his claims... no no no

You have to be a good ol boy and believe the government and everyone loves you because they just do aww.

Don't worry we'll save you from the terroist, just give up your rights and freedoms, and while your at it give me your economy so we can merge you into the NAU, yay, everything is ok in your world.

Just keep being a good ol boy aka slave

[scndamendment]

the first person to run out of ideas is the first one that name calls. I'm not your enemy Fran, but you are naive. I don't mean you disrespect of any kind, but what have you done to change the situation other than run your mouth on this site about don't hit murderers? Whatever...I'm done with you.

[IaoGawd]

People say that terrorists are too Evil for the Law. However, Bin Laden has never been captured or killed. If we hadn't been scared into the 'War on Terror,' we would have followed our nation's principles and Rule of Law for apprehension of criminals, i.e. terrorists. Osama's still free and still in charge of Al Qaeda.

It took us less than 4 years to destroy Hitler, and he had a whole military to defend him! History will remember this 'War' as the beginning of the end of the American Empire.

[goffnett]

The Nation of Islam and the Islamic republic of Iran are not real, they are all made up by patriotic Americans who want to blow things up.

Sharia law is a nice idea for our Republic, it will blend well with our Christian Heritage. 24 Nations under Muslim control do not cut heads off of women who cause horny muslim men to rape them. The muslim owner of "Bridges" television in the US did not cut his wifes head off in studio when she asked for a divorce. Santa Claus is coming on the night of 24 Dec

[IaoGawd]

Are you incapable of ever considering the idea that America has done shit to other nations that we wouldn't allow them to do to us? America can do no wrong?

You're inability to apply the Golden Rule -- do unto others as you would have them do unto you -- is the perfect example as to why our country and it's government is spiraling down a death hole. America has forgotten to set the example, to have the high moral ground. We have sacrificed our ideals and freedoms for temporary security.

[goffnett]

In the real world, Hamas fire 6,000 rockets into Israel over a 3 year period, Israel ask them to stop a few dozen times, and then has no choice put to put an end to the rocket attacks, THE WORLD RAGES IN HORROR over Israels evil response. Hillary hands the Hamas 900 million, the world adds some more for a total of 4.1 billion to the poor terrorist that got spanked in a few short weeks. BOOOOO WHOOO? This is how the world works, cry for the poor terrorist!

[IaoGawd]

Oppression breeds extremism. Terrorism has always been around as a war tactic. Today's terrorism is a direct reflection of modern technology and tactics. It's intent is to inflict maximum damage with minimum effort. The tool of the little guy against the big guy.

Creating Israel to protect Jews in the middle of Muslim land hasn't worked out the way they thought. Jews are more hated now then ever because their religious state pushed out Muslims and they have Mulsims under Jewish military rule.

[goffnett]

They didn't find any WMD but they sure found a lot of ready to go suicide vest packed with C4 and tons of American money etc. I wasn't all that excited about the war in Iraq, takes someone like you to point out the obvious, what was going through Saddam and other crazy dictators minds? Thanks for the insight.

[MarionWeller]

@clearasvodka - Well said! I would also admit to anything if I would have to go through this.

[unclesam21]

thank fuck . its torture.

[LLCoolPass]

SERES training, from the army field manual, from which Cheney's daughter says the POws were exposed, calls [this, the wimpy type of water boarding] TORTURE. ITS SAYS THAT. Where is the argument?

[wcarlpdrysdale]

er,,, that was ,chains ,you were voting for not change

but

GO RON PAUL ,,,anyway

[StigmataBOB1]

He wasnt handcuffed.

[sugarpuddin88]

Preventative Indefinite Detention

Right after condemning Bush operating outside the law, Obama announced today that he will: Develop a legal strategy outside US Law & Military Law to indefinitely detain people who MIGHT commit a crime! What he calls preventive indefinite detention, (just like in the Tom Cruise Movie, Minority Report)!

So you can be locked up for 10 or more years without any trial, indictment, or hearing because of what someone thinks you MIGHT do sometime in the future!

[RCinPAWA]

That's change you can believe in.

[wcarlpdrysdale]

he hasn't the ability ,,, and he should be "taken-out" of politics if he continues