PoSV - Bill Gates visits Apple

[AynManRand]

This is a great example of symbiosis. MS figured it was better to license to multiple companies which led to the explosion of the software industry and create the economies of scale that led to PC's being affordable to everyday people. Gates took that money and when Apple was in trouble he would reinvest in them, allowing Jobs to prove is own concept of software ownership. The PC standard created the conditions for Apple to capture market share with its better products.

[AynManRand]

@AynManRand Gates and Jobs, together forever.

[dnanalahcnap]

The motorcycle, if I'm not mistaken, was a Bugatti. It was placed there as an inspiration for good design

[SuperHesoyam1]

Welcome to apple

[FryLeelaAndBender1]

wazniak u trader

[AzteKpr1de]

00:57 Team geekling reporting for duty

[surgeyX]

2:26 Are you a pirate? Oh yeah, I'm your pirate...oh yeah....OH YEAH STEVE I'M YOUR PIRATE...OH YEAH STICK YOUR PEG LEG IN ME...OH YEAH I'M YOUR NAUGHT LITTLE PIRATE!

[Sylvanas17]

wow there are sooooooooo many plot holes in this movie, total piece of shit

[Sylvanas17]

what us this shit?

[boertush]

Bill Gates thought proces during this scene: "This apple iCult is freaking me out, let's just hurry up and steal their shit."

[superdave31]

i dontget it - you hve a secret product.. why would you tell a rival company just why

[ThomasJAckerman]

@superdave31 The idea was that Microsoft would develop Macintosh apps, and they did.

[soliderofanonymous]

smart bill gates pulling out the ibm card out of his sleave

[iDraw3G]

Why did they have a motorcycle in the lobby?

[Tonyo1221]

@iDraw3G because it was a thing of beauty, like Apple products. Artistic, like the Piano also in the Lobby.

[squarethreethousand]

van Gogh > Picasso

[computerkid1416]

Imagine how big xerox could be if they wouldn't had let apple steal from them! They could be bigger than Apple and Microsoft combined!

[yorgaraz]

IBM > Macintosh

[leamanc]

So yorgaraz, IBM (a company) is greater than Macintosh (a product of another company)? Not following that logic.

Don't forget that for 12 years, IBM made the processors that went into Macintosh computers (1994-2006).

[Iori400]

@yorgaraz

all three are tards..

[Xzeleous]

LOL

"If hes not careful hes going to wreck the place."

He did. Then he fixed it.

Seriously though, I know its dramatization, but why would you send people who have a history with working with your competitor, IBM, a computer full of all your prototype software?

[TakumProti]

Well, Microsoft was a software company and the film did establish that Bill told IBM that they'd have to sell DOS to the other PC manufacturers, I think the movie was trying show that Steve was willing to work with Bill and Microsoft concerning something. I know, that's the part of the movie I'm not understanding. And yes, Steve did fix Apple, and God bless him for it. Steve coming back to Apple was their version of the Renaissance.

[leamanc]

Apple has always needed Microsoft's software on their computers, dating back to the Apple II days. A bitter rivalry ensued when Apple felt that MS stole Macintosh concepts for Windows. (In reality, they both stole from Xerox's Palo Alto research lab.) But other than that, Apple has always made sure that MS writes software for their computers, because it's kind of important to have MS Office, etc., running on your platform.

[GreenFont]

Well at least in the basic consumer market, they both sure did fuck up IBM.

[iPodTouch1024]

I just wonder how big xerox could have been

[nzoomed]

is this really how it happened? seems entertaining, but far larger than life! lol BTW, is there any patent on the GUI?

[icoo44]

Now that's history

[simmsinns]

A decade from now, students will be required to know about the digital revolution in American history. PoSV will be near required viewing in every high school.

[blahdelablah]

@simmsinns

It's not a documentary, it's a feature film, if this is required viewing in the future then the real history is up the swanny.

[simmsinns]

@blahdelablah

It's still the most accurate depiction of what happened to date. You can even ask those involved and they will tell you.

[blahdelablah]

@simmsinns

Really?? Google for "pirates of the silicon valley never trust a pirate", look at the first result, specifically

""Pirates of Silicon Valley" was based, instead, on a very good book called "A Fire in the Valley" written by Paul Freiberger. Alas, Freiberger's book was published before at least half of the events in the movie even took place." and CONT...

[blahdelablah]

@simmsinns

Really?? Google for "pirates of the silicon valley never trust a pirate", look at the first result, specifically...

""Pirates of Silicon Valley" was based, instead, on a very good book called "A Fire in the Valley" written by Paul Freiberger. Alas, Freiberger's book was published before at least half of the events in the movie even took place." and CONT...

[blahdelablah]

@simmsinns

CONT..., and "The movie producers said in published interviews that they deliberately chose not to do interviews with any of the actual characters."

Care to rethink your assertion that it's an accurate depiction? I doubt even the producers would be bold enough to state that it was.

[FreudRulz]

Hilarious ;)

[Intentspunk19]

lol they make Bill Gate looks like such a douche lol

[MyGrandmaTheArsonist]

well stealing from apple and having their company based off of apples original OS is kinda douche

[Intentspunk19]

I understand stealing but Gates twisted it which is an art and made it his own in my opinion crappier version so ya he did steal but it wouldve gotten to him eventually anyways

[simmsinns]

Microsoft only copied what Apple had already copied from Xerox.

Their both douches.

[bqrius]

word. they both gotta thank Xerox for their millions...

[chubu]

billions

[MyGrandmaTheArsonist]

cause he was

[plyea]

Pirates Of Silicon Valley?

[shawngus]

Now I want to watch this movie.

[gizabo1]

its on youtube. Search Pirates of silicon valley part 1

[AaronBalitskyz]

is this a film?? if it is tel me what its called plz

[Revenge1986]

Its a docudrama, the name of this movie is called Pirates of silicon valley.

[EuroCarfan00]

was Bill Gates actually screaming like that and using the Lisa?

[Revenge1986]

I didn't hear a scream. But yet I seen this film.

[odion1100]

no point of arguing they both took from does thats it so SHUT UP!

[Flashlight1996]

What is this movie called?

[Revenge1986]

You should know by now.

[slaverrich]

linux rulez

[Revenge1986]

Are you sure.

[bqrius]

still love Windows... OS X is a bit overrated.

[iJomo08]

gates is an arrogant underhand sneaky thieving little shit, and it continues to this day. They steal practically everything mac has!

[tfal23]

amen!

[boyleb1]

jesus, was steve jobs this insane?

[PaulSoth]

Was?

[pointvalueone]

still is...

[bstep13]

I remember watching this back in the day.

[JustShoveJayOhBe]

Enough!!! lol, wow, god-complex much?

[kara12]

wow the computer industries are evil look at steve and bill omg!!!!!!

[phoneunlisted]

gates is such a sniveling little shit

[coolkid9992]

for real.

[EuroCarfan00]

Amen to that comment!

[patio87]

Gates is super intelligent in this scene, are you kidding me. Jobs is so arrogant and consumed with himself he doesn't see the threat.

[TheZombix]

Amen! Using Windows to comment!

[jesusfreakrkg]

VISTA BABY!

[TheZombix]

WII

[bqrius]

windows > mac os

[jamesandsab]

The video neglects to say how MS had access to apple stuff and made promises they broke later - a double cross but apple never made it big because of refusing to allow clones.

The man on the street could afford clones but only big business could afford apple or IBM

[xd7e1]

hahhaha 1 more mouth and bill gates was twice as big as apple (6)

[framecut]

Haha, Steve Jobs tour of Apple was like a "House of Horrors" with the Apple employees all working 90 hours a week AND LOVING IT!

[7chance]

I MUST know what the soft background music is at the part when team Microsoft arrives at the parking lot. It starts at 00:47. I MUST know! It's not listed in the soundtrack info. HELP!

[dlingraham]

This is such a good movie. It perfectly portrays Bill Gates as an criminal mastermind and Steve Jobs as a psychotic genius.

[blueuser4000]

but in reality steve jobs is a truly genius. look at ipod iphone and os-x, non even bill gates can approach that far. and these produst been designed for years before vista came up. compare to steve jobs bill gates is nothing but a business scumbag. the only good thing they ever made is visaul stedio C++...and thats all microsoft can do.

[dlingraham]

I absolutely agree. Steve Jobs was a genius. Still is. But so was Gates, just at making money, not innovating.

[blueuser4000]

perhaps gates was really trying to approach the huge difference between him and steve jobs. but somehow steve jobs was always step ahead of bill gates. now apple is back to the game and making even better stuff than vista. if steve wasnt that arrogant and ignorrent, microsoft would grow this far. but that just how he is, a genius in computer but also an idiot in business. aleast bill was beteer than steve at that point. steal and cheat.

[DH1986]

Yeah I mean Steve Jobs is only worth 5 billion. Idiot in business lol.

[Lumotaku]

THis is a horrible cheesy shit hole of a movie. not based on fact that gives to much credit to apple for inventing the pc when it was commodore and radio shack that did so.

[dlingraham]

Yes. That's right. All those Commodore pets in personal residences. It doesn't say that.

[ucvrk]

Apple suck

[packpackpacket]

Ok.

[cunt6723]

@ucvrk Microshit sucks and so do you

[Lumotaku]

Facts about the macintosh when it came out it was overpriced and out of date. A b/w monitor wtf? both the atari St and the amiga were based on the same processor and were more advanced cheaper and had color.

[dlingraham]

Ok. But that macintosh interface blue both of those out of the water. Amigas were great, but Macs were so much simpler.

[leamanc]

Yes, people who weren't there in 1984 don't know what a revolution the Macintosh was. Don't take for granted that nearly everything you do on a computer today was influenced in some way by one or both of Steve Jobs' creations: the Macintosh and NeXTStep.

[Keruaran]

@leamanc Where I come from the Macintosh wasn't a revolution. At least not directly. It was something none of us could afford or attain to so we didn't even bother taking more than a brief second glance. The Mac never touched us.

For us the real revolution was the Amiga. It was more powerful than a Mac and it was affordable. Which is deliciously ironic because it was Steve Job's who, when offered the Amiga, rejected it saying it was too expensive.

[Lumotaku]

This sucks so much ass its complete bullshit. I'm sure most people know that. The apple lisa was a pos that cost 10,000 dollars and nobody wanted to emulate it.  Look at the absolute childish ways they are portraying these people.

[Carloz790]

they have a lowrider

[ShardedFire]

who made this?

[justjc51]

As you can see from my two previus posts(stolen from the Wikipedia search Xerox Star) Apple was actually the ones who stole a lot of "their ideas" from Xerox. Xerox Star had shown all the ideas we now consider Apple to have invented, such as a graphical user interface with diffrent icons and folders, the mouse, WYSIWYG editing, A design manual, ect. The Lisa wasn't introduced untill 3 years after the visit...

[ricardobrusd]

Why people insist in this argument? What Jobs did is very different to what Gates did.

Jobs had a business agreement with Xerox he didn't STOLE nothing. He paid for the technology that Xerox had developed. During the demonstration that Xerox gave to Apple engineers they weren't not even allowed to touch the machines. Also, Apple developed many things like the menus or drag-and-drop system etc...

[ricardobrusd]

This is very different from what Gates did. Gates had irrestricted access to the Macintosh development — he actually wrote part of the code. Then he asked his top Mac engineer to create Windows. He not only copied what Apple had done, but he paired with theirs biggest competitor.

Do you really think this is the same thing?

[ImpmonInThe90s]

@ricardobrusd 1:00

Didn't Steve Jobs say that too IRL? Though he didn't exactly steal Xerox's GUI, he took advantage of their inability to market the Xerox Star which both Bill and Steve had the brains to do. Xerox could have had it all, they still market printers and copy machines to this day...

[ricardobrusd]

@ImpmonInThe90s Jobs spoke with the business execs of Xerox and they agreed to show the Star to Apple engineers and to license the technology. During the demonstration his team wasn't allowed touch the pcs

Gates approached Apple saying that he wanted to develop software for their platform. He was granted full access to the Macintosh and broke their trust by copying what they had developed

IMHO there's a fine line between them. One entered by the front door, the other by the bathroom "window ;)

[ImpmonInThe90s]

@ricardobrusd The point I am trying to bring up is that Xerox was to halfhearted on the Star and didn't realize the potential they had at the time. I'm not trying to argue but any developer could steal the GUI in it's development if they see it. Besides it's not like Apple engineers can't own a Xerox Star much like Bill Gates owning his own Macintosh.

[justjc51]

Members of the Apple Lisa engineering team saw Star at its introduction at the National Computer Conference (NCC '81) and returned to Cupertino where they converted their desktop manager to an icon-based interface modeled on the Star. The initial Macintosh interface was a simplified version of the Lisa interface (i.e., single-tasking), supporting only a single floppy drive instead of the hard drive of the Lisa (and Star)."

[justjc51]

"A trip to Xerox PARC by Apple Computer's Steve Jobs in 1979 led to the graphical user interface and mouse being integrated into the Apple's Lisa and, later, the first Macintosh.[1] Steve Jobs was shown the Smalltalk-80 programming environment, networking and most importantly the WYSIWYG, mouse-driven GUI interface provided by the Alto.

[bebopsam1975]

is Bill Gates actually as sinister as this movie is making him out to be?

[romeropablo]

Yes

[CERNOBE]

Steve Balmer rules. This movie is bullshit.

[iMacbookUser]

nice lol. "I WANT IT"

[khunopie]

Letterman should have had Leno's gig in the Tonight Show. LOL. oops wrong flick

[Slimjimguy]

Steve Jobs looks like the guy from E.R. lol :P

[anhvuti981]

he is actually

[ace942]

For the person who asked about the movie. The movie is loosely based upon a book called "Fire in the Valley" the making of the personal computer". They took some of the history that actually occured and then changed it slightly to make it more entertaining.

[SmashMacintosh]

Steve Jobs looks like the Mac from the Bias commercials..........

[HarryPotter738]

WTF IS THIS?? Oh, and by the way, THE MAC SUCKS DICK!

[amandaxox101]

WTF.The Macs own your life. They could fuck PC's up.

[necro1234yahoo]

I wonder just how true the movie is from scene to scene,this scene makes Jobs look like an arrogant prick with an ego waiting to be cut down to size

[duscrom]

Well, let's put it this way. According to Woz, it's pretty spot on.. save for some people being put in different places... And Steve was so impressed by Noah's portrayal of him that he had Noah open a MacWorld press conference AS Jobs.

[acslater017]

they're such caricatures

[rozMexicano13]

Great movie. Fav part is when Woz tells Steve in appleII vs Mac fight:

"I'm just being a brake pedal for you as you're heading for the wall".

[dylanm3488]

And he crashed alright.

[rozMexicano13]

The difference is , you don't have to wait for a patch every month because linux distros are open source. If 95% used linux then the fixes would post faster than a warez screener with dutch subs. Tv's Pvrs and other electronics are shifting over to open source to elminate passing costs over to the consumer.

[DeathHoldGrip]

could have done better on the actors - that was steve ballmer???

i expected him to be a monkey!!!

[tempipas]

the car hops 00:52

[TheAntiRebel]

lol, I think thats the shocks of the car rising after the weight of those four guys getting out.

[tempipas]

they are fat XD

[kuhne]

Turn the tables around, Mac OS is used in over 90% of the world's computers and windows is the hip, cool brand that only 5% of the world's computers use. Guess what? Windows would be more expensive, more reliable and more secure while Mac OS would be infested by bugs and virus. so get real

[widerangledotcom]

true.

[twotrot]

You would actually find that because Mac OS X is Unix-based that there would be less crashes and viruses than there are on Windows. Sure, there'll be more than there are now, but they won't have the impact they have on Windows machines.

[kuhne]

thats not true, believe me, when over 95% of the people in all the planet use the same product, glitches and problems will happen and will have more of an impact than you would imagine, even if 95% of the planet used linux, it would get screwed, specialy since more than 60% of windows problems are user created

[pisaman2]

wots it called it looks good

[macosxlepord]

It was not fair that bill gates copied the mac.

[nagaflas]

It also wasn't fair that Steve Jobs copied the Xerox years earlier...

[baEaglei1]

i dont think apple stole from Xerox. Xerox gave them ideas, and knew what apple would do with it. it was all infront. nothing like what microsoft did. microsoft as you can see basicly backstabbed apple. as you can see in this video.

[rampage342]

mac and microsoft should've worked together. All technology would be so much better. Just think about it. The zunepod, the mac xp, the iphondows,the windows itv. Personally, i'm a mac fan.

[clintw56]

I remember watching this video when I was about 7 or 8. I LOVED IT. I love computers now and I will always love Microsoft. I grew up using 3.1 and Windows 95 on a Packard Bell Legend System. I've had so many computer I've worked with in my pre-teen years and I couldn't ask for anything more. Great memories.

[SpeedingStudent]

what is the name of this movie, it looks good, in an aniti-Microsft 80s, sort-of-way.

Bill is much smarter than he is portrayed here.

[Magusstryfe]

Gates looks like a nut

[Thecowhugger]

HE let that happen, BUT look at apple now! that top of the market!

[TheAntiRebel]

6% market share is hardly top of the market. If you mean better hardware and software, then yes, it is leading the way, but it not outselling Windows by any stretch of imagination.

[Ithurtssogood213]

Yeah dude. The Mac has such little market share, but they make MUCH Better products! I think their market share is slowly creeping up though :)

[n0sc0p35]

"Yeah dude. The Mac has such little market share, but they make MUCH Better products! I think their market share is slowly creeping up though :)"

Apple's US Marketshare nearly doubled last quarter. That places them in fourth place as far as hardware manufacturers are concerned.

6.1% (Apple's present marketshare) is VERY significant, trust me.

[lonezanzibar]

True...Bill gates keeps on recycling old carap...and tape it up.

[ciroslive]

Ballmer is BENDER!

[TheAntiRebel]

Yep, thats true. John DiMaggio went on to play Bender.

[tony4moroney]

that is such a shit portrayal of bill gates. the interpretation of steve jobs is pretty spot on from my understanding.

[HyperCruiser]

The ending is so totally insane though. I love how Jobs girlfriends head is in the box and then Job's can't help but shoot Bill in the head. Oh man that was intense! How ironic that Bill did not even realise that HE was guilty of glutony.

[skateboarding118]

bill gates looks messed up in this movie, and steve jobs looks gay (noah whylie or something did him.)

[skateboarding118]

i luv dis movie.

[phantombantam]

Sad. Very sad.