@mamabayon you do realise the queen has next to no power over what happens in Britain. She is merely a tourist attraction and is kept because we British do not want to lose our historical identity. If we did get rid of her we would have to change the UK's name from a kingdom to a republic, an awful lot of hassle for someone who has virtually no political power.
Qué chileno pata sucia! Nunca les afanamos nada querido, leé bien las constituciones de tu país. En cuanto al "Chaco" como vos le decís es también incorrecto. Se ganó una porción de territorio al Paraguay, después de la guerra (el mayor vencedor fue Brasil). Te aclaro que para ese entonces Paraguay era el páis más poderoso de sudamérica. En cuanto a Uds. le afananaron territorio a Bolivia y Perú, y sí que eran débiles. Termino. Fue Pinocho y no Chile quién ayudó a UK. Dejá de decir pelotudeces.
@argento22222 La Guerra del Pacífico que inició Bolivia y luego Perú se hizo parte, la ganó Chile (en ese tiempo ustedes reclamaron la Patagonia que era chilena, aprovechandose de la situacion de que Chile se enfrentaba a dos paises a la vez) y como resultado tenemos las dos primeras regiones como trofeo de guerra, llegamos hasta Lima pero les devolvimos gran parte del territorio. Ustedes son los expansionistas. Pinochet era el presidente de Chile, Chile ayudo a los Ingleses
@caezar1993 No hay orgullo argentino en lo que fue la guerra del paraguay. Fue un genocidio y punto. Argentina era aliada secreta de bolivia y perú, Sarmiento amenazó a chile con cumplir el pacto y declarar la guerra a chile. Aunque el comportamiento argentino no fue honorable, Chile se lo tuvo bien merecido... anexarse porciones de territorio que no le pertenece y tratar de hacer dueño exclusivo de recursos que no le pertenece. Vergüenza debería darle, como a mí me da vergüenza el genocidio par
Argentina wanted to attack Chile after the war, they wanted to get a path into the west to the Pacific Ocean, and that's why we helped the Brtish. Falklands are British and so the argies were the invaders, not the British. And we'd help the british over and over again, they stole the Chaco from Paraguay and the Patagonia from Chile when both countries were weak to defend themselves. Always claming for lands that are not theirs, dogs always barking. Long life to Britain and to Chile.
@stubbostubbs go lick my salty nuts and creamy chocolatey anus you sack-of-shit Englishman! DON'T be so surprised when the Queen sells-you-English out to "GREATER" interests. Maybe THEN you'll finally wake up and REMOVE the Royals out of power but until that awakening happens you'll be slaves to your own stupidity.
Britain is kinda hypocritical here, saying All of Falkland belongs to them, as the locals support them, yet they still have not left Northern Ireland? Come on Man
Have you asked the Northern Irish about self-determination? Or are you people in the United States only about self-determination for yourselves?
I swear so many Americans comment on these things, but they know so little and they always, ALWAYS, forget that there are PEOPLE in these places. The will of those PEOPLE is what is important.
How would you feel if we banded together to help Native Americans remove people of European descent from the States? lol It's absurd.
@PureHeavenlySultan the people of northern ireland want to be british if they did then they should ask not to be and "britain" would back off, northern ireland was created from stuff done in the past, sh!t doesnt happen that way anymore, i heard on the news a friendly event happened for some march a while ago on the border and they was throwing stones at them (it included women and children), doesnt seem like they are going to get along does it without british support...
Argentinians have an ego that is beyond belief. And it is amazing how willing they are to support leaders that are harmful to themselves. (As matter of justice, I'll admit that we Brazilians are also famous for the latter)
it is close to become a protectorate of the Germans and (maybe)France. Only Britain steped out from this farce because she had the strength. Time will tell what is to come for us all.
remmant of the era of colonization. Personally I don't care what flag will be on the island or who will exploit the oil found near the islands. I only feel pitty for the thousand people who got killed from both sides and their families. Argentina "oti87" is a great country as all countries are great but we should not confuse nationalism with economical profits of people who will not give a damn if our children have no food. alanheath I am afraid that EU has failed to diminish nationalisms since
minimized financial, political and stratigical profits, and of course the setup of the new republik which was destined from the begining to be problematic and divisive in order to be couped by Greece and invaded from Turkey, allowed Britain to withdraw and maintain all they just needed, the bases and unlimited influence. Now the falklands are an entirely different story because I am not sure if there is any Argentinian on it or if there was any common history amongst the two entities. It is a
difference in the information different countries allow their citizens to know. With Internet things could be improved if there was no clear intention of organisations and goverments to massivily propagandise even the LOLest stories. For the great empire, Britain is, surely your disengagment from cyprus seemed really quickly. But from our side there was a great number of people killed in battle or executed as "terrorists". Pressure from the cold war, the unstable situation in the island which
Oti87 your comments really indicate an itelligent person. Thank your for your insults and allow me to return them to you. Do you doubt that the dictatorship in Argentina was a cruel one? When you make people suffer many times you try to find ways to distract their attention. And if you try to read and understand what I wrote then you'll see that I am not taking a clear place. Alanheath I don't make it up. I am not surprised that it is the first time you hear of this cause there is a huge
As the UK Prime Minister has said in his Christmas address to the FALKLAND ISLANDERS & THE WORLD and i quote " We will NEVER Negioate over the Sovrignity of the Falkland islands".....So happy new year...."WE WILL NEVER NEGIOATE"....Merry Christmas.
Fuck Argentina? bullshit claims over Falklands - clearly British waters, arm torpedos and polaris nuclear warheads. After what Spanish did to native South Americans - the nerve of these people.
"Right to Self Determination"? When in cyprus the people voted by 95% for union with Greece why the British and all the westernish wistled ignorant?(yes even turk cypriots preffered union with Greece from British oppression)
@MrAsd640 In the first place, the UK wanted to get out of Cyprus pretty quickly in the 1950s. And when did this alleged referendum take place or did you make it up? (I suspect the latter.)
These gay things are in fact a cheap racist propaganda. Ancient Greeks had the right to kill any relative they had caught "in action". You can call them homophobic but homosexuals is just a stupid well prepared lie. In modern Greece except half dosen gays from tv you'll never see anyone walking freely. It is considered a great same being one. It's not the right thing but is the truth.
After that let's take things straight. Aegean Islands are Greek. The minor asia coast is in fact occupied by turks. After The genoside they commited in 1919-1922 against Greeks we were forced to agree a population exchange which emptied all these Greek lands by their Greek -for 25 centuries- inhabitants.Turkey a lawfull place? When you stop killing your raped daughters let's talk again. Not to mention that our deteriorating health system is at least 100 times better than your "improving" one.
@MrAsd640 I do not doubt for one second that the Aegean Islands are Greek but the Turkish claim is the same as the Argentinian one to the Falkland Islands based on proximity - although of course the Falkland Islands are a considerably greater distance from Argentina.
However the only sensible thing to do is to put this behind us and move forward. I would like to think that the EU offers a chance to put this nationalist nonsense to one side once and for all and for everyone to live in peace.
What a racist, xenophobic, misinformed people gathered together. I don't know a lot for folklands .the only thing I know is that the argentinian regiment tried to invade them in order their hungry people forget their misery. If I am wrong please correct me.
@MrAsd640 "hungry people forget their misery" most retarded comment i ever read. first argentina was and is a great country, second that was a strategy of an alcoholic psychopath called Galtieri (AKA douchebag) to maintain his adm and power and finally close your ass.
You Anglosaxons have enjoyed spreading ridiculously ludicrous crap throughout your FORCED-COMMONWEALTH and brainwashing the dumb for centuries. Some day (coming very soon) your ways of piracy and theft of "other-peoples-lands" will come to a screatching HALT and the NEW NORMAL will be too much for your Protestant, crooked-teethed, pale faces to handle (STAY TUNED)....
The Americans said that any attempt to retake the islands would be a "military impossibility". it's amazing that the royal navy pulled this off, even after they have suffered savage cuts at the hands of Thatcher's government
UN Resolution 1541 (XV) UN definition of what a colony is and what self determination is, also Principles determining an obligation or not to transmit the information called for on Article 73 e of the UN Charter Chapter XI.
Principle IV: There is an obligation to transmit information in respect of a territory which is geographically separate AND distinct ethnically and/or culturally from the country administrating it.
Shall white British citizens sent by Britain fall into this category?
@ZZZZRRRRZRR Spanish and Italians descendants have the mainland territory in South America at the expense of the native Americans. I am sure the native Americans would like to see the backs of these European colonisers.
ARGENTINA WON BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MAINLAND THE BRITISH IN THE FALKLANDS ARE LIKE A COUPLE OF GNATS BUZZING AROUND ON 2 DINGLEBERRY TERDS(THE 2 TINY ISLANDS) ARGENTINA WON BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MAINLAND AND THAT IS WHAT THE BRITISH ALWAYS WANTED BUT WERE NEVER ABLE TO OBTAIN HAHA THERES NOTHING IN THE FALKLANDS ANYWAY AND ITS A TINY REMOTE LAND AREA ARGENTINA ALSO HAS A SUPERIOR MILITARY
@caezar1993 Why should we? Like they did for their own people and our people they invaded and wanted to ethnically cleanse..........I do not think so.
As Maggie said " The Argentines will be leaving the Falklands hopefully if we secure the great prize of peace, if not i do not rule out any military option"....and boy....Did we "Help" them to leave.
Falklands have NEVER belonged to Argentina, British people have been on Falklands before Argentina even existed FFS LOL!! As long as Falkland Islands are inhabited by people who want to be British.. we will look after them! I think we need another war with Argentina to make them really STFU????
@SladeForelly Today Brazil has the regions only air craft carrier and Brazil lets Argentina's naval air craft practice from Brazil's carrier....and your army is also very well equipped.
@SladeForelly Hey did you know ALL your Frigates are British designed and built? Your mine sweepers are also, your landing ships are also made up of British vessels.
@SladeForelly barosso is made in Brazil....it is a corvette. Brazil has 9 Frigates all are British....You have no French or Italian Frigates mate....You have British Frigates and Brazilian corvettes....There is no list that France or Italy supplied Frigates????
@bannon1000 i love them too, we allways update his avionics just like we do with our f5, i hope our f ucking gov get the new planes soon. Btw we are geting new stuff without stop, for example the hinds and new leopards
@SladeForelly Brazil is a rapidly emerging power, its air force has a mix of aircraft like the Mirage, the F5 and in its region there is no military to touch it....Both the hinds & Leopards are wicked. Which do you prefer your Hinds or our APACHES?
@bannon1000 We prefer the hind cause like any other american military machine, us dont transfer tecnology, so if we got one, we will never able to update it, this is why we dont get any more american planes. Apache is sure the best in his area, but the hind works in any need here, we use them most for chase dealers and farc personel that trepass our border got?
@bannon1000 we have those long time ago, and recent we got some new ones, but the hawks are ones that dont need much update, and are not so expensive as the apache.
@SladeForelly Our Apaches are made in UK and are different from the US ones, ours have more powerful Rolls Royce engines, different avionics and ice resistant blades that fold to be stored and used from ships.... Our Apaches also have different radars.
@SladeForelly No we do not sell them as we build them under Licence and we fit ours with radar that we do not sell or let other nations have....for instance as can act as target designators as they are fitted with laser system. Have you seen our new "Astute" class sub? It is brilliant, it can be in the English ocean and see ships leaving New York, it never has to refuel, turns sea water into drinking water and can hit land targets from 1,000 miles away & makes less noise than a baby Dolphin
@SladeForelly i got to say....i would not fancy the Hind chasing me....They are battle proven , Flying tanks....They really are very powerful and can give any tank or army a rough deal. I like your Hermes unmanned drones....BRAZIL is really underestimated....it has the weapons & money. It is why it is the Regions most capable armed forces.
@bannon1000 agreed, hids are able to survive a direct rpg hit. You have a great knowledge about military stuff. Also, im love your SAS, really hardcore professionals, master of almost all cqb tatics
@bannon1000 I guess my comment did come of kinda snotty, lol. I didn't mean it that way I assure you. And yes, they are arguably the second best special forces in the world, after the SAS, or maybe they are equal.
@bannon1000 Army very well equipped whilst their is tragic poverty in slums around the country and the country is on the verge of an ecological disaster.
So Brazil would seem to have its priorities right! (sarc)
@SladeForelly Brazil would not of entered the war at all. You must remember after the war Brazil purchased our warships that had survived the war. And Brazil could of entered the war and we would of dealt with that. After all we had no idea what the region would but as Maggie said "Any country supporting Argentina is not likely to shake our resolve in th justice of our cause".
@bannon1000 im sure that would, cause the plane have lots of inocent people and a gov member, in that year brazil had a military gov too, so the nacionalist feeling was high and our armed forces where strong... BUT, im in uk side... So if brazil had joined, you guys sure had lost... btw, im with uk, cause argentina have NO POINT in clame those islands, its been there in uk name long ago, that people are british not argies... Im happy that uk win that episode.For the brave uk soldiers,my respect
@SladeForelly No we would not of lost, we had 3 aircraft carriers Brazil had none, we sped more on defence than the South American nations and the Carribean put together. But i do appreciate your kind comments.
@bannon1000 we had a carrier too, today and that day, you sure have more firepower than any country here, but at that time was complicated mantain a task force across the sea and continue with your own homeland obrigations; For that the situation was heavy for uk in that war, against brazil and argentina would be impossible. The brazilian air force in that time was strong, big and modern(planes of that era from us and france)...But im glad that not happen,cause today we can make bussiness
@SladeForelly We had made plans to maintain the task force for 6 months at that time, we had nuclear powered attack subs which you did and do not have. Ad in terms of aircraft we had far more than you and they were better for instance we had Phantoms,Buccaneers, Jaguar attack aircraft. But remember we sailed 8,000 miles and within 4 weeks of fighting we had defeated Argentina.
@bannon1000 US had said that the job couldnt be done with the forces we had. We needed (they said) 2 full sized carriers to maintain air dominance. They eventually offered to let us have two of theirs manned by Brits and US observers. We declined but we did get AIM 9J anti a/c missiles off them. They had weeks to prepare and should have done a far better job. We needed to outnumber them 3 - 1 to have any real chance of doing it. it was actually THEY that outnumbered us.
@SladeForelly Our carriers in 1982 where new, the Brazilian carrier was actually from World War Two....Your carrier today is the second hand French carrier originally called FOCH and launched in 1959. Back the you had only a few WW2 ships and so i appreciate your respect and support but its not true to say Brazil would of defeated us after all after sailing 8,000 miles we had defeated Argentina and had them off our islands.
@SladeForelly But i do accept Brazil is the regions most powerful military power ad we have signed Defence treaty a short while ago. And i accept Brazil is a very capable and powerful armed forces and certainly can not be under estimated.
today, all britain would need to recapture the islands would be a single submarine. will HMS Astute be unleashed on argentina??? i hope so!!! :) argentine president announced she will try and capture the islands, so we will have an easy victory soon approaching. good good
What were the Argentineans thinking when they decided to invade the Falklins? Did they think the British would so easily give up their nation's overseas strategic penguin reserve without a fight?
The Argentineans we defend our national sovereignty we felt, it, we fought because us ours….meanwhile you never knew because fought, nor where they were those islands, they were because them control a drunkard the Tacher. without North American aid they serian verguenza world-wide.
@111jasy111 - Yeah, erm how exactly is German a "superior" language to English. Nothing is as comprehensive and descriptive as the English Language - it's the lingua franca of the world - which, incidentally, is the reason why you and most other people can speak it - if you want to do anything with your life you have to. There's not such an urgency for english speaking people to learn spanish, or german for that matter
LOL see? again mentioning battles where you didnt fought nor participated even, virtual weepy boy loser, BTW 1 to 1 I dent you that faggy blondie face you have in 15 seconds on real life, chatterbox fag with KILTS
wimp geeks losers like you who cant defend yourself in real life and any guy could beat your shit out of you in the streets and then you're looking for "rudeness" in being an "internet army fan self-deluded prick" and only can fight mentioning "military equipment" in front of a monitor naming chronologic wars on and on like the geek who you are HA HAH HAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
@Eddieposted actually not, we dont even need a gun or a war, you can see it in reality, not in a monitor like this shit useless videos you like to watch over and over again, everywhere evrtytime an Argie see British pricks in real life, the Argied beat the fuckin shit out of them and they got humilliated haha, because you're wimp bitchass fuckfaces hahahahah
@111jasy111 Sorry, but the lie that the UN has sancioned or show report to any discussion over the falklands has benn perpetuated by the Argentine Governement and the Argentine Governement alone.
Name the resolution that says that talks should take place. (you can't because there isn't one).
@manchesterfellow UN Resolution 2065 UN Resolution 3160 and this week's UN Decolonization Committee resolution that states the only way to solve this issue is through peaceful negotiated settlement of the sovereignity dispute between the UK and Argentina.
@Leogalvanhalen El pueblo deberia aprender mas sobre los isleños. Por ejemplo, la palabra 'kelper' resulta ser que significa algo asi como 'come-alga', termino que los ingleses les pusieron despectivamente y que por alguna razon quedo arraigada en nuestro imaginario colectivo. Ojo, yo me entere de esto hace una semana nomas, despues de escribir miles de comentarios haciendo referencia a los 'kelpers' :(
@111jasy111 Kelpers is not a dorogotry term. As for coming to get to know the islanders - sure - just remember to bring enough white flags for you all to carry ok?
@111jasy111 Are we the one's making ridiculous claims? No. It's actually documented that the Argentine Government have lied to Argentines on the issue.
Just because you don't understand the issue of freedom (and you clearly don't jasy) doesn't mean you get to have a say and have it respected. You have made a moron of yourself on this page.
"Have you ever considered that you are the ones brainwashed instead of argies?" About what exactly? Are you saying the population of the falklands don't consider themselves British? That a British Captain discovered the Islands before Argentina was even a country? A good example of brainwashing is when the initial argentine task force that invaded the islands thought they would be welcomed with open arms by the population as liberators. Wonder where they got that impression.
@MrSyrett I wonder where you got that idea, it's obviously you know a shit, the attacked to the malvinas hadn't the intention to be welcome, was to force england to the negotiations, tatcher thought would be easy the recover and needed the victory, due to his bad popularity as the dictators, that was the whole deal, but no one argentinian want any english in our territory, we still reclaiming the sovereignty, keep evadiendo the situation, maybe you'll be the next one in one of those sunken ship
Your grasp of English is obviously as tenuous as your selective knowledge of history. "the attacked to the malvinas hadn't the intention to be welcome" - Not by the generals, but the soldiers on the ground were told they would be welcomed as liberators - they weren't. That was my whole point about the nature of propaganda. "maybe you'll be the next one in one of those sunken ship" - You mean like The Belgrano? Argentina is too weak a nation to try it again. Full of hot air and empty rhetoric.
@MrSyrett you didn't fight alone the last time, and we did, now won't be the same, since when an island is better than an main country, you without the yankees are nothing, and you know it. Never in my whole life i heard about your stupid version, that's shows your inferior knowledge, what do you know about argentinians?, you know a shit, to me right now you are an infirior scum, who told you that histori? let me guess you invented, don't you? scum.
@Leogalvanhalen - "you didn't fight alone the last time" - sorry how many American troops were sent to the Falklands? Oh, that's right, none.
"we did" - err no, sorry. Peru and Venezuela sent you aircraft spare parts, Brazil leased you two P-95 maritime patrol aircraft, and Libya supplied you strela 2 missiles. Get you facts right before you start talking shit. You've got nothing to refute my claims except juvenile insults. You're from a weak, insignificant country - face facts
@MrSyrett how many gurkas you send, hon kong chineses, yankees gave you the satelite positions, chilenos gave you fuel and main land, the yankees gave you the sidewinder, the venesuelans didn't gave any thing, the brasilians didn't let you to enter their country but never gave us something, the peru was the only one so shut the fuck you inferior scum.
@Leogalvanhalen - "hon kong chineses"? LMAO - thanks for proving your knowledge amounts to dry shit. The number of personnel from "Hong Kong" who saw service in the Falklands were a TINY percentage of the total. Most were laundrymen in the navy. Also, Ghurkas ARE British.. Seriously though - just check the stats on your countries current military strength compared to Britain's. Britain wouldn't need any help against such a weak nation.
"inferior scum" - what evidence are you basing your claim that argentina is superior to Britain? Your economy is inferior, your education system is inferior (Education Index), your health system is inferior (WHO index), and your contribution to humanity is inferior. Seriously, write down all the contributions to science, industry, arts, the humanities and education that Argentina has given the world, and I'll do the same for Britain. Start by listing all the Argentinian Nobel prize winners.....
.......It shouldn't take you long, as there's only five. Britain has 116. You could probably write that list on the back of a matchbox to be honest with you
This is about self-determination e.g. If the people of Reunion regard themselves as French, Madagascar has no claim to it. Period. The same applies here. The Falklands were populated before Argentina was even a recognised country. A weak country who blow hot air about the Falklands whenever it needs to divert attention from problems at home
By the way, you claim that "the brasilians didn't let you to enter their country but never gave us something".
This is of course bullshit. Brazil gave their full support for Argentina during the war. in fact On June 3, 1982, Brazilian F-5 jets intercepted a British Vulcan strategic bomber en route to the Ascension Island after bombing Argentine positions in the Falkland Islands. The aircraft was forced to land at the Galeão Air Force Base in Rio de Janeiro. Again, get your facts right chump
@MrSyrett and no i no mean like the belgrano i mean about those poor english who burned in: sir galahad, shefiel, conventry, hermes, glasgow, ardent, antelope, fearless, tristam, etc.That's what i mean.
@Leogalvanhalen "and no i no mean like the belgrano i mean about those poor english who burned in: sir galahad, shefiel, conventry, hermes, glasgow, ardent, antelope, fearless, tristam, etc.That's what i mean" - and you still lost. Speaks volumes about your nation's ineptitude.
@111jasy111 como crees que nosotros tomariamos a los kelpers?, de mi parte me parece que no muy bien, a mi personalmente no me agradan, son britanicos y para mi deberian estar en britania como es su voluntad no en nuestro territorio.
@Leogalvanhalen Deberiamos hallar un punto en común que deje satisfechas a ambas partes. En principio respeto. Y segundo el nombre. Los britanicos ya no se refieren mas a los isleños como 'kelpers'. Fijate. Somos solo los argentinos. Y ese ingles dice que no es un termino derogatorio pero se refiere a ellos como isleños...
@111jasy111 sabes que es lo peor que una de las causas de la guerra fue la negacion de los ingleses al negociado, (lo mismo que hacen hoy en dia) no han aprendido nada, si esto sigue asi, la guerra sera siempre una opcion disponible, teniendo enuenta que hoy ya no estamos solos y ellos estan cada vez peor en popularidad, solo falta un politico mas guerrero y el conflicto se reanuda.
@Leogalvanhalen De ser así pasaremos de la euforia a la desazón como Pavone en el último domingo. Ellos tampoco están solos ya que las islas actualmente son un protectorado europeo además de británico.
@111jasy111 lo se, pero a lo que voy es simple el mundo ya no es lo que era, sabias que en la guerra de malvinas los dictadores reusaron la ayuda de los rusos, ya sabemos porque, un pequeño conflicto ya no involucra solo a las partes interesadas y eso sin querer decir que nosotros no tendriamos una oportunidad contra los ingleses, ya lo dijo el coronel seineldin la guerra la gana quien tiene la voluntad de ganarla.
"Special Committee on Decolonization Adopts Draft on Falkland Islands (Malvinas), Requesting Argentina, United Kingdom to Resume Talks AS SOON AS POSSIBLE"
The UN Decolonization Committee today adopted a consensus resolution reiterating that the way to end the “special and particular” colonial situation in Malvinas is through peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK. By the terms of the text, introduced by Chile’s representative, the Committee regretted that, despite widespread international support for negotiations, longstanding General Assembly resolutions on that question hadn't been implemented.
Argentina claims the British should leave the Falklands because we are supposedly a crude imperial power and Argentina rightfully owns the islands. By that logic surely all people of Spanish descent living in Argentina should move back to Spain? All 35 million of them. Idiots, they have literally no case.
@gehenaus in your opinion...do you think Chile betrayed Argentina in the Falklands war? Chile considered Argentina the invader, and the three of us know what argie's intentions towards Chile were by that time
This guy Eddieposted has been spamming all over YouTube for more than one year already, soooo much that I'm sure he does it to makes ends meet. Look, if there are reputation managment agencies that 'clean' politicians and actors, you think the British crown would not use those agencies too? These new types of PR companies aim to discredit their rivals and employ professional writers like Eddie. The agencies charge around 1000 dollars per day which is nothing to the British crown.Think about it.
This guy Eddieposted has been spamming all over YouTube for more than one year already, soooo much that I'm sure he does it to makes ends meet. Look, if there are reputation managment agencies that 'clean' politicians and actors, you think the British crown would not use those agencies too? These new types of PR companies aim to discredit their rivals and employ professional writers like Eddie. The agencies charge around 1000 dollars per day which is nothing to the British crown.Think about it.
@111jasy111 No, it's hard to believe, not in this matter, they dont allow the review of the conflict so the have not need of this, I really think he lost somebody in the war, must be that, but who knows.
(24/11/2009) Por primera vez, un jerarca de la dictadura argentina (1976-1983) El brigadier general retirado Basilio Lami Dozo reveló que en 1982 el régimen militar planeaba la invasión del Chile de Augusto Pinochet, si llegaba a ganar la guerra de las Malvinas contra Gran Bretaña, que finalmente perdió. QUIEN VA A AYUDAR A UN HERMANASTRO QUE MAS TARDE TE QUIERE MATAR? TRAIDORES NOSOTROS?
@caezar1993 Claro que despues de las malvinas seguian ustedes, te recuerdo que el pinocho dijo que se mantendria neutral ante el conflicto y luego ataco a TRAICION, por eso son traidores porque atacan por la espalda, chile y argentina jamas fueron paises hermanos, nuestra gente nunca se llevo bien y en el 78 no entramos en guerra, ¿no se por que? nadie le pidio su ayuda contra los ingleses, si querian pelear con nosotros lo hubieran hecho abiertamente y no escondidos en sus amos ingleses
@Leogalvanhalen No hay documentos que avalen eso. Chile no atacó, no tenía como, no había armamentos. Eso que dices es un vericueto retórico y falaz. Con tal de justidficar sus actos y canalizar la atención por otro lado son capaces de distorcionar la historia. Argentina fué invasora en la Falklands. Y simpre le han tenido ganas a Chile. Pero nada, absolutamente nada de lo que digan es de interés para nosotros. ustedes se creen papis de todos, nosotros no tenemos papis
@caezar1993 los hay lee un poco de tu historia, chile movilizo sus tropas a la frontera de la patagonia mientras nosotros luchabamos en malvinas, (supongo que habra sido por orden de la tatcher) sino del pinocho, segundo la aliansa con el suministro de informacion, combustible y tierra para desembacar los hace directamente enemigos. Y si nadie dice que nosotros somos hermanos como paises, solo enemigos casuales y la mayoria del tiempo absolutamente nada. Nadie se cree padre de nada solo enemigos
@Leogalvanhalen Ves que terco eres? Chile estaba consciente de sus planes futuros, y por eso se alineò con Inglaterra. Nos querian invadir con o sin Guerra por las Falklands, nosotros eramos el siguiente objetivo. No pensaràs que estúpidamente nos quedaramos de brazos cruzados. La Señora Tatcher no le dió órdenes a ni un chileno, mi general se puso firme y evitó un nuevo robo, y de paso una matanza.Tanto te cuesta admitir que nos querian invadir? UN general argie ya lo hizo. Eso habla per se
@caezar1993 no me cuesta admitirlo, ya te lo dige, tenes razon en que chile seguia si ganabamos, los ingleses nos robaron las islas primero, esas islas son una colonia en pleno siglo 21 algo sancionado por la ONU, buscate otros argumentos para defender a los gringos. Lo que vos no entendes es que chile se alio en secreto por miedo claro, por no tener honor calro, por atacar a TRAICION y cobardia, la historia es facil por eso les decimos traidores, no porque tenganalgo que ver con nosotros.
@Leogalvanhalen que nombre le colocas a un país que en secreto tiene todo planeado para invadir a un país vecino que no esta en guerra? o a quien se aprovecha de que ese país esta en guerra contra otros dos para reclamar la Patagonia? no si no tienes comprensión de lectura o si yo no explico mi punto.. Si nos enteramos que somos el objetivo siguiente, no nos vamos a quedar esperando una invasión. Eso es obvio. Tal vez no para una persona soberbia y tozuda encerrada en un argumento muy parcial
@caezar1993 No entendes, yo no estoy discutiendo con vos, si vamos a la etimologia de la palabra s sobre entiende que el honor es pelear con dignidad sin ningun otro condimento, las guerras que mensionas no fueron a traicion todas las partes esperaban la guerra, aca nosotros no esperabamos que chile se metiera cuando se declaro neutral. Lo unico que ago es explicarte el porque les decimos traidores, no estoy peleando con vos. Y te doy a razon en lo del ataque es mas te libero de sentirte.....
@caezar1993 traidor por una obligasion de hermandad, nuestros paises no son hermanos, no tenemos nada que ver uno con el otro, no te sientas traidor por traicionar a como dijiste un hermanastro, porque nisiquiera eso somos, te doy la razon, no son traidores por no defendernos no es ese el punto.
@Leogalvanhalen ¿cupal es el punto enontces? ¿cuál es la lógica? Habríamos sido neutrales si ustedes no nos hubieran tenido en nla mira luego, pero nos enteramos en buena hora de sus planes, que eran, en secreto, invadir Chile despues de acabada su guerra con los Ingleses. Estoy tratando de ser objetivo, pero me toca de cerca por que casi pierdo a mi padre en ese conflicto. ¿entiendes? nunca vamos a ser hermanos, pero tampoco debieramos haber sido enemigos, y no fue Chile el que comenzó...
@caezar1993 mira no te quiero ofender, pero lo que le pudo haber pasado a tu padre es de muy poco inters para mi y no me mal interprets, pero muchos hijos, muchos padres argentinos perdieron la vida por sus decisiones y yo no pongo a ningun chileno sobre un por argentino. Vamos a pensar un poco juntos ¿dale? si atacar chile era mas facil que pelear con lo ingleses, ¿Por que crees que no atacamos chile en lugar de las malvinas? la guerra con chile iba a ser consecuencia de la ayuda a inglatrra.
@Leogalvanhalen No se de donde sacaste eso, pero es falaz. El gobierno militar argentino era impopular en esos años, y las Malvinas eran un pretexto perfecto para subir la popularidad, y de paso terminar lo que siempre han querido, anexar Chile, por que creian que su ejercito es SUPERB. Entinedo que no te importe, yo igual lamento las perdidas, de amobos lados. Te insisto, en ningun momento en la historia Chile ha comenzado ni una sola hostilidad con Argentina, ha sido al revés.
@caezar1993 para, pensa si popularidad er lo que los ictadores querian (no lo niego)¿ por que arriesgarse con inglaterra cuando una guerra con shile era una victoria segura? te lo digo, argentina no tenia pensado atacar a chile, el conflicto del 78 estaba cerrado, por lo menos para argentina se ve. Es un atropello el pensar que se planificaba otra guerra cuando todavia no habia empeza la de las malvinas.
@mamabayon you do realise the queen has next to no power over what happens in Britain. She is merely a tourist attraction and is kept because we British do not want to lose our historical identity. If we did get rid of her we would have to change the UK's name from a kingdom to a republic, an awful lot of hassle for someone who has virtually no political power.
NtEMegathon 11 hours ago
Qué chileno pata sucia! Nunca les afanamos nada querido, leé bien las constituciones de tu país. En cuanto al "Chaco" como vos le decís es también incorrecto. Se ganó una porción de territorio al Paraguay, después de la guerra (el mayor vencedor fue Brasil). Te aclaro que para ese entonces Paraguay era el páis más poderoso de sudamérica. En cuanto a Uds. le afananaron territorio a Bolivia y Perú, y sí que eran débiles. Termino. Fue Pinocho y no Chile quién ayudó a UK. Dejá de decir pelotudeces.
argento22222 1 week ago
@argento22222 La Guerra del Pacífico que inició Bolivia y luego Perú se hizo parte, la ganó Chile (en ese tiempo ustedes reclamaron la Patagonia que era chilena, aprovechandose de la situacion de que Chile se enfrentaba a dos paises a la vez) y como resultado tenemos las dos primeras regiones como trofeo de guerra, llegamos hasta Lima pero les devolvimos gran parte del territorio. Ustedes son los expansionistas. Pinochet era el presidente de Chile, Chile ayudo a los Ingleses
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@caezar1993 No hay orgullo argentino en lo que fue la guerra del paraguay. Fue un genocidio y punto. Argentina era aliada secreta de bolivia y perú, Sarmiento amenazó a chile con cumplir el pacto y declarar la guerra a chile. Aunque el comportamiento argentino no fue honorable, Chile se lo tuvo bien merecido... anexarse porciones de territorio que no le pertenece y tratar de hacer dueño exclusivo de recursos que no le pertenece. Vergüenza debería darle, como a mí me da vergüenza el genocidio par
LAVB432 5 days ago
Argentina wanted to attack Chile after the war, they wanted to get a path into the west to the Pacific Ocean, and that's why we helped the Brtish. Falklands are British and so the argies were the invaders, not the British. And we'd help the british over and over again, they stole the Chaco from Paraguay and the Patagonia from Chile when both countries were weak to defend themselves. Always claming for lands that are not theirs, dogs always barking. Long life to Britain and to Chile.
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@stubbostubbs go lick my salty nuts and creamy chocolatey anus you sack-of-shit Englishman! DON'T be so surprised when the Queen sells-you-English out to "GREATER" interests. Maybe THEN you'll finally wake up and REMOVE the Royals out of power but until that awakening happens you'll be slaves to your own stupidity.
mamabayon 1 week ago
piratas colonizadores ¿que no entienden que se acabo la epoca colonial ?
flryt 2 weeks ago
ARGENTINA ARGENTINA JAJAJA
simonhernandez1991 2 weeks ago
WTF is this? Where is the full documentary?
themightyjoseph 2 weeks ago
PIRATAS ASQUEROSOS! MALVINAS AEGENTINAS
FLANK033 3 weeks ago
Britain is kinda hypocritical here, saying All of Falkland belongs to them, as the locals support them, yet they still have not left Northern Ireland? Come on Man
PureHeavenlySultan 3 weeks ago
@PureHeavenlySultan most of Northern Ireland want the British there
inTHEwrongGENERATION 3 weeks ago
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UnitedKingdomify 1 week ago
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UnitedKingdomify 1 week ago
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Have you asked the Northern Irish about self-determination? Or are you people in the United States only about self-determination for yourselves?
I swear so many Americans comment on these things, but they know so little and they always, ALWAYS, forget that there are PEOPLE in these places. The will of those PEOPLE is what is important.
How would you feel if we banded together to help Native Americans remove people of European descent from the States? lol It's absurd.
UnitedKingdomify 1 week ago
@PureHeavenlySultan the people of northern ireland want to be british if they did then they should ask not to be and "britain" would back off, northern ireland was created from stuff done in the past, sh!t doesnt happen that way anymore, i heard on the news a friendly event happened for some march a while ago on the border and they was throwing stones at them (it included women and children), doesnt seem like they are going to get along does it without british support...
Cottam89 2 days ago
Argentinians have an ego that is beyond belief. And it is amazing how willing they are to support leaders that are harmful to themselves. (As matter of justice, I'll admit that we Brazilians are also famous for the latter)
gre8 3 weeks ago 7
@gre8 Brazil has its problems like many nations but don't compare yourself to the Argentinians there beyond all reason - the scum of the planet.
We need to work together to cleanse south america of the argentine stain.
Argentine culture is more akin to bacteria than humanity
bluemuleii 2 weeks ago 2
Falklands to the UK from chile
ColoNaxo 3 weeks ago
@ColoNaxo good man thanks a lot. It will always be British.
nimrod379 3 weeks ago
it is close to become a protectorate of the Germans and (maybe)France. Only Britain steped out from this farce because she had the strength. Time will tell what is to come for us all.
MrAsd640 1 month ago
remmant of the era of colonization. Personally I don't care what flag will be on the island or who will exploit the oil found near the islands. I only feel pitty for the thousand people who got killed from both sides and their families. Argentina "oti87" is a great country as all countries are great but we should not confuse nationalism with economical profits of people who will not give a damn if our children have no food. alanheath I am afraid that EU has failed to diminish nationalisms since
MrAsd640 1 month ago
minimized financial, political and stratigical profits, and of course the setup of the new republik which was destined from the begining to be problematic and divisive in order to be couped by Greece and invaded from Turkey, allowed Britain to withdraw and maintain all they just needed, the bases and unlimited influence. Now the falklands are an entirely different story because I am not sure if there is any Argentinian on it or if there was any common history amongst the two entities. It is a
MrAsd640 1 month ago
difference in the information different countries allow their citizens to know. With Internet things could be improved if there was no clear intention of organisations and goverments to massivily propagandise even the LOLest stories. For the great empire, Britain is, surely your disengagment from cyprus seemed really quickly. But from our side there was a great number of people killed in battle or executed as "terrorists". Pressure from the cold war, the unstable situation in the island which
MrAsd640 1 month ago
Oti87 your comments really indicate an itelligent person. Thank your for your insults and allow me to return them to you. Do you doubt that the dictatorship in Argentina was a cruel one? When you make people suffer many times you try to find ways to distract their attention. And if you try to read and understand what I wrote then you'll see that I am not taking a clear place. Alanheath I don't make it up. I am not surprised that it is the first time you hear of this cause there is a huge
MrAsd640 1 month ago
As the UK Prime Minister has said in his Christmas address to the FALKLAND ISLANDERS & THE WORLD and i quote " We will NEVER Negioate over the Sovrignity of the Falkland islands".....So happy new year...."WE WILL NEVER NEGIOATE"....Merry Christmas.
bannon1000 1 month ago
@bannon1000 Well, perhaps HE will never negociate, but he is not England. Never say never. ... Happy New Year.
argento22222 3 weeks ago
Fuck Argentina? bullshit claims over Falklands - clearly British waters, arm torpedos and polaris nuclear warheads. After what Spanish did to native South Americans - the nerve of these people.
termin9r 1 month ago
"Right to Self Determination"? When in cyprus the people voted by 95% for union with Greece why the British and all the westernish wistled ignorant?(yes even turk cypriots preffered union with Greece from British oppression)
MrAsd640 1 month ago
@MrAsd640 In the first place, the UK wanted to get out of Cyprus pretty quickly in the 1950s. And when did this alleged referendum take place or did you make it up? (I suspect the latter.)
alanheath3 1 month ago
These gay things are in fact a cheap racist propaganda. Ancient Greeks had the right to kill any relative they had caught "in action". You can call them homophobic but homosexuals is just a stupid well prepared lie. In modern Greece except half dosen gays from tv you'll never see anyone walking freely. It is considered a great same being one. It's not the right thing but is the truth.
MrAsd640 1 month ago
After that let's take things straight. Aegean Islands are Greek. The minor asia coast is in fact occupied by turks. After The genoside they commited in 1919-1922 against Greeks we were forced to agree a population exchange which emptied all these Greek lands by their Greek -for 25 centuries- inhabitants.Turkey a lawfull place? When you stop killing your raped daughters let's talk again. Not to mention that our deteriorating health system is at least 100 times better than your "improving" one.
MrAsd640 1 month ago
@MrAsd640 I do not doubt for one second that the Aegean Islands are Greek but the Turkish claim is the same as the Argentinian one to the Falkland Islands based on proximity - although of course the Falkland Islands are a considerably greater distance from Argentina.
However the only sensible thing to do is to put this behind us and move forward. I would like to think that the EU offers a chance to put this nationalist nonsense to one side once and for all and for everyone to live in peace.
alanheath3 1 month ago
What a racist, xenophobic, misinformed people gathered together. I don't know a lot for folklands .the only thing I know is that the argentinian regiment tried to invade them in order their hungry people forget their misery. If I am wrong please correct me.
MrAsd640 1 month ago
@MrAsd640 "hungry people forget their misery" most retarded comment i ever read. first argentina was and is a great country, second that was a strategy of an alcoholic psychopath called Galtieri (AKA douchebag) to maintain his adm and power and finally close your ass.
oti87 1 month ago
You Anglosaxons have enjoyed spreading ridiculously ludicrous crap throughout your FORCED-COMMONWEALTH and brainwashing the dumb for centuries. Some day (coming very soon) your ways of piracy and theft of "other-peoples-lands" will come to a screatching HALT and the NEW NORMAL will be too much for your Protestant, crooked-teethed, pale faces to handle (STAY TUNED)....
mamabayon 2 months ago
@mamabayon Yeah - whatever...
krackersdave 2 months ago
@krackersdave the TRUTH typically hurts but i feel your pain bro as Clinton used to say....
mamabayon 2 months ago
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@mamabayon Hurts ??? not at all - YOU LOST! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAA
krackersdave 2 months ago
@mamabayon Fuck off you pleb. "The time is coming soon ". OOOH! We`re quaking in our boots. Stupid Spic.
stubbostubbs 1 month ago
The Americans said that any attempt to retake the islands would be a "military impossibility". it's amazing that the royal navy pulled this off, even after they have suffered savage cuts at the hands of Thatcher's government
dmax631 2 months ago
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Pirata ingles. Cancer del mundo.
English pirates. Cancer in the world.
LuisValenti2001 3 months ago
he means from iran lol
EddieExile 3 months ago
Vive le Argentine !!!
From Malaysia :)
aszkanfederation28 3 months ago
United Kingdon WIN / Sem mais.. Argentina tomo uma surra.
nicolas80934 3 months ago
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UN Resolution 1541 (XV) UN definition of what a colony is and what self determination is, also Principles determining an obligation or not to transmit the information called for on Article 73 e of the UN Charter Chapter XI.
Principle IV: There is an obligation to transmit information in respect of a territory which is geographically separate AND distinct ethnically and/or culturally from the country administrating it.
Shall white British citizens sent by Britain fall into this category?
111jasy111 3 months ago
pincer movement?
looks like the sub knocked out one of its teeth! LOL
kingbleah 4 months ago
BRITISH WILL NEVER HAVE ANY MAINLAND CONTINENTAL TERRITORY IN S. AMERICA
ZZZZRRRRZRR 5 months ago
@ZZZZRRRRZRR Britain doesn't want any,it is Argentina that wants territory that isn't theirs,not Britain,my old fruit.
jonboy1973 4 months ago
@ZZZZRRRRZRR Spanish and Italians descendants have the mainland territory in South America at the expense of the native Americans. I am sure the native Americans would like to see the backs of these European colonisers.
alanheath3 4 months ago
@ZZZZRRRRZRR
we left that for all of you monkeys
LOUISVART 4 months ago
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ARGENTINA WON BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MAINLAND THE BRITISH IN THE FALKLANDS ARE LIKE A COUPLE OF GNATS BUZZING AROUND ON 2 DINGLEBERRY TERDS(THE 2 TINY ISLANDS) ARGENTINA WON BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MAINLAND AND THAT IS WHAT THE BRITISH ALWAYS WANTED BUT WERE NEVER ABLE TO OBTAIN HAHA THERES NOTHING IN THE FALKLANDS ANYWAY AND ITS A TINY REMOTE LAND AREA ARGENTINA ALSO HAS A SUPERIOR MILITARY
ZZZZRRRRZRR 5 months ago
Spare a tear for Argentina
caezar1993 5 months ago
@caezar1993 Why should we? Like they did for their own people and our people they invaded and wanted to ethnically cleanse..........I do not think so.
bannon1000 5 months ago
@bannon1000 Oh, Bannon, I was just trying to be sarcastic.
caezar1993 5 months ago
As Maggie said " The Argentines will be leaving the Falklands hopefully if we secure the great prize of peace, if not i do not rule out any military option"....and boy....Did we "Help" them to leave.
bannon1000 6 months ago
Falklands have NEVER belonged to Argentina, British people have been on Falklands before Argentina even existed FFS LOL!! As long as Falkland Islands are inhabited by people who want to be British.. we will look after them! I think we need another war with Argentina to make them really STFU????
slothgoonies 6 months ago
@slothgoonies you've got all the support ;) -Greetings from Finland.
FinMilkku 5 months ago
@jp234ify we had 2 episodes of british planes intercepted in our air space
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly Today Brazil has the regions only air craft carrier and Brazil lets Argentina's naval air craft practice from Brazil's carrier....and your army is also very well equipped.
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 thank you mate, its rare someone outside of brazil knows that... Some times, even inside brazil
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly Hey did you know ALL your Frigates are British designed and built? Your mine sweepers are also, your landing ships are also made up of British vessels.
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 we have italian and french frigates too
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly Do you? What they called?
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 not sure, cause they change names when comes here... I guess one of them call Barosso, not sure
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly barosso is made in Brazil....it is a corvette. Brazil has 9 Frigates all are British....You have no French or Italian Frigates mate....You have British Frigates and Brazilian corvettes....There is no list that France or Italy supplied Frigates????
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 You must be right, im not too inside in navy deal, im more air force and army
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly WHAT do you think of your air force?
bannon1000 6 months ago
@SladeForelly I RATE and like your Mirage 2000.....
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 i love them too, we allways update his avionics just like we do with our f5, i hope our f ucking gov get the new planes soon. Btw we are geting new stuff without stop, for example the hinds and new leopards
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly Brazil is a rapidly emerging power, its air force has a mix of aircraft like the Mirage, the F5 and in its region there is no military to touch it....Both the hinds & Leopards are wicked. Which do you prefer your Hinds or our APACHES?
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 We prefer the hind cause like any other american military machine, us dont transfer tecnology, so if we got one, we will never able to update it, this is why we dont get any more american planes. Apache is sure the best in his area, but the hind works in any need here, we use them most for chase dealers and farc personel that trepass our border got?
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly but you have just bought Black HAWKS from the US......
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 we have those long time ago, and recent we got some new ones, but the hawks are ones that dont need much update, and are not so expensive as the apache.
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly Our Apaches are made in UK and are different from the US ones, ours have more powerful Rolls Royce engines, different avionics and ice resistant blades that fold to be stored and used from ships.... Our Apaches also have different radars.
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 And does uk sell this apaches?
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly No we do not sell them as we build them under Licence and we fit ours with radar that we do not sell or let other nations have....for instance as can act as target designators as they are fitted with laser system. Have you seen our new "Astute" class sub? It is brilliant, it can be in the English ocean and see ships leaving New York, it never has to refuel, turns sea water into drinking water and can hit land targets from 1,000 miles away & makes less noise than a baby Dolphin
bannon1000 6 months ago
@SladeForelly i got to say....i would not fancy the Hind chasing me....They are battle proven , Flying tanks....They really are very powerful and can give any tank or army a rough deal. I like your Hermes unmanned drones....BRAZIL is really underestimated....it has the weapons & money. It is why it is the Regions most capable armed forces.
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 agreed, hids are able to survive a direct rpg hit. You have a great knowledge about military stuff. Also, im love your SAS, really hardcore professionals, master of almost all cqb tatics
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly Yes the S.A.S. are good....we have a naval version of them called S.B.S. (Secret Boat Service).
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 we have some good elite units here too, my favorite is that : watch?v=lY6l0Wbfyok btw, got msn?
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@bannon1000 SBS = Special Boat Service, not Secret Boat Service. SAS = Special Air Service.
TheLahness 5 months ago
@TheLahness Good grief....did i put "Secret" and not "Special"..... i am very naughty....The SBS....Good aren't they?
bannon1000 5 months ago
@bannon1000 I guess my comment did come of kinda snotty, lol. I didn't mean it that way I assure you. And yes, they are arguably the second best special forces in the world, after the SAS, or maybe they are equal.
TheLahness 5 months ago
@bannon1000 Army very well equipped whilst their is tragic poverty in slums around the country and the country is on the verge of an ecological disaster.
So Brazil would seem to have its priorities right! (sarc)
alanheath3 4 months ago
A english plane allmost shut down a brazilian civilian plane by mistake... If that had happened, I'm sure that Brazil would enter the war.
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly Brazil would not of entered the war at all. You must remember after the war Brazil purchased our warships that had survived the war. And Brazil could of entered the war and we would of dealt with that. After all we had no idea what the region would but as Maggie said "Any country supporting Argentina is not likely to shake our resolve in th justice of our cause".
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 im sure that would, cause the plane have lots of inocent people and a gov member, in that year brazil had a military gov too, so the nacionalist feeling was high and our armed forces where strong... BUT, im in uk side... So if brazil had joined, you guys sure had lost... btw, im with uk, cause argentina have NO POINT in clame those islands, its been there in uk name long ago, that people are british not argies... Im happy that uk win that episode.For the brave uk soldiers,my respect
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly No we would not of lost, we had 3 aircraft carriers Brazil had none, we sped more on defence than the South American nations and the Carribean put together. But i do appreciate your kind comments.
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 we had a carrier too, today and that day, you sure have more firepower than any country here, but at that time was complicated mantain a task force across the sea and continue with your own homeland obrigations; For that the situation was heavy for uk in that war, against brazil and argentina would be impossible. The brazilian air force in that time was strong, big and modern(planes of that era from us and france)...But im glad that not happen,cause today we can make bussiness
SladeForelly 6 months ago
@SladeForelly We had made plans to maintain the task force for 6 months at that time, we had nuclear powered attack subs which you did and do not have. Ad in terms of aircraft we had far more than you and they were better for instance we had Phantoms,Buccaneers, Jaguar attack aircraft. But remember we sailed 8,000 miles and within 4 weeks of fighting we had defeated Argentina.
bannon1000 6 months ago
@bannon1000 US had said that the job couldnt be done with the forces we had. We needed (they said) 2 full sized carriers to maintain air dominance. They eventually offered to let us have two of theirs manned by Brits and US observers. We declined but we did get AIM 9J anti a/c missiles off them. They had weeks to prepare and should have done a far better job. We needed to outnumber them 3 - 1 to have any real chance of doing it. it was actually THEY that outnumbered us.
Ex 2 Para
stubbostubbs 1 month ago
@SladeForelly Our carriers in 1982 where new, the Brazilian carrier was actually from World War Two....Your carrier today is the second hand French carrier originally called FOCH and launched in 1959. Back the you had only a few WW2 ships and so i appreciate your respect and support but its not true to say Brazil would of defeated us after all after sailing 8,000 miles we had defeated Argentina and had them off our islands.
bannon1000 6 months ago
@SladeForelly But i do accept Brazil is the regions most powerful military power ad we have signed Defence treaty a short while ago. And i accept Brazil is a very capable and powerful armed forces and certainly can not be under estimated.
bannon1000 6 months ago
@KeepEuropeWhite English linguists said so? Ha ha ha
111jasy111 6 months ago
is that peter snow
TheOctoman34 6 months ago
all that for a silly bunch of sheep islands !! anyway, Britain clearly won that fight ... so get over it ?
Borat911 6 months ago
today, all britain would need to recapture the islands would be a single submarine. will HMS Astute be unleashed on argentina??? i hope so!!! :) argentine president announced she will try and capture the islands, so we will have an easy victory soon approaching. good good
Pringles352 6 months ago
RULE BRITANNIA
Pringles352 6 months ago
What were the Argentineans thinking when they decided to invade the Falklins? Did they think the British would so easily give up their nation's overseas strategic penguin reserve without a fight?
357223308 6 months ago
The Argentineans we defend our national sovereignty we felt, it, we fought because us ours….meanwhile you never knew because fought, nor where they were those islands, they were because them control a drunkard the Tacher. without North American aid they serian verguenza world-wide.
faustto333 6 months ago
@faustto333 What are you talking about? You make as little sense as you did in 1982. Try it again, and you'll regret it again. Spic Prick.
RattytheSecond 6 months ago
@RattytheSecond Let's see how good do you communicate in another language, English twat.
111jasy111 6 months ago
@111jasy111 - No need to learn an inferior language such as spanish.
MrSyrett 6 months ago
@MrSyrett you can't speak a "superior" language like german either...
111jasy111 6 months ago
@111jasy111 - Yeah, erm how exactly is German a "superior" language to English. Nothing is as comprehensive and descriptive as the English Language - it's the lingua franca of the world - which, incidentally, is the reason why you and most other people can speak it - if you want to do anything with your life you have to. There's not such an urgency for english speaking people to learn spanish, or german for that matter
MrSyrett 6 months ago
@Eddieposted yes you do and know, weeping boy
sweetiecO9 6 months ago
@Eddieposted
LOL see? again mentioning battles where you didnt fought nor participated even, virtual weepy boy loser, BTW 1 to 1 I dent you that faggy blondie face you have in 15 seconds on real life, chatterbox fag with KILTS
sweetiecO9 7 months ago
@sweetiecO9 shush you pleb. Seriously, do you actually talk like that?
manchesterfellow 7 months ago
@Eddieposted
In my dreams you'll stop whining? LOLOLOL you're right, i forgot, sorry son. Keep sobbing in vain all you want.
sweetiecO9 7 months ago
@Eddieposted
you got pwned, don't be sore loser crying to your mammy, stop whining and go away ,)
sweetiecO9 7 months ago
@Eddieposted
wimp geeks losers like you who cant defend yourself in real life and any guy could beat your shit out of you in the streets and then you're looking for "rudeness" in being an "internet army fan self-deluded prick" and only can fight mentioning "military equipment" in front of a monitor naming chronologic wars on and on like the geek who you are HA HAH HAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
sweetiecO9 7 months ago
@Eddieposted
Are you talking to the mirror again Lil' Eddie? go take your medicine or i'll tell your milf mammy you're disobeying her again, poor delirious boy.
sweetiecO9 7 months ago
@Eddieposted actually not, we dont even need a gun or a war, you can see it in reality, not in a monitor like this shit useless videos you like to watch over and over again, everywhere evrtytime an Argie see British pricks in real life, the Argied beat the fuckin shit out of them and they got humilliated haha, because you're wimp bitchass fuckfaces hahahahah
sweetiecO9 7 months ago
@Eddieposted wtf are you talkin about you ran like fucking pussies that you are
aguante la 12 we steel your flags jajajajaja!!!!
308637 7 months ago
fuck england
watch la 12 corre a los ingleses
308637 7 months ago 2
@KeepEuropeWhite not according to the UN
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 Sorry, but the lie that the UN has sancioned or show report to any discussion over the falklands has benn perpetuated by the Argentine Governement and the Argentine Governement alone.
Name the resolution that says that talks should take place. (you can't because there isn't one).
You see?
manchesterfellow 7 months ago
@manchesterfellow UN Resolution 2065 UN Resolution 3160 and this week's UN Decolonization Committee resolution that states the only way to solve this issue is through peaceful negotiated settlement of the sovereignity dispute between the UK and Argentina.
You see?
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 si se resolviera pacificamente, ¿Como crees que los argentinos actuariamos respecto a los keelpers?
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
@Leogalvanhalen El pueblo deberia aprender mas sobre los isleños. Por ejemplo, la palabra 'kelper' resulta ser que significa algo asi como 'come-alga', termino que los ingleses les pusieron despectivamente y que por alguna razon quedo arraigada en nuestro imaginario colectivo. Ojo, yo me entere de esto hace una semana nomas, despues de escribir miles de comentarios haciendo referencia a los 'kelpers' :(
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 Kelpers is not a dorogotry term. As for coming to get to know the islanders - sure - just remember to bring enough white flags for you all to carry ok?
ker00007 7 months ago
@ker00007 haha ok ok
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 So I see you have been told. Why do you lunatics always get it wrong?
manchesterfellow 7 months ago
@manchesterfellow @Eddieposted Have you ever considered that actually it could have been you the ones brainwashed instead of argies?
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 Are we the one's making ridiculous claims? No. It's actually documented that the Argentine Government have lied to Argentines on the issue.
Just because you don't understand the issue of freedom (and you clearly don't jasy) doesn't mean you get to have a say and have it respected. You have made a moron of yourself on this page.
manchesterfellow 7 months ago
"Have you ever considered that you are the ones brainwashed instead of argies?" About what exactly? Are you saying the population of the falklands don't consider themselves British? That a British Captain discovered the Islands before Argentina was even a country? A good example of brainwashing is when the initial argentine task force that invaded the islands thought they would be welcomed with open arms by the population as liberators. Wonder where they got that impression.
MrSyrett 6 months ago
@MrSyrett I wonder where you got that idea, it's obviously you know a shit, the attacked to the malvinas hadn't the intention to be welcome, was to force england to the negotiations, tatcher thought would be easy the recover and needed the victory, due to his bad popularity as the dictators, that was the whole deal, but no one argentinian want any english in our territory, we still reclaiming the sovereignty, keep evadiendo the situation, maybe you'll be the next one in one of those sunken ship
Leogalvanhalen 6 months ago
Your grasp of English is obviously as tenuous as your selective knowledge of history. "the attacked to the malvinas hadn't the intention to be welcome" - Not by the generals, but the soldiers on the ground were told they would be welcomed as liberators - they weren't. That was my whole point about the nature of propaganda. "maybe you'll be the next one in one of those sunken ship" - You mean like The Belgrano? Argentina is too weak a nation to try it again. Full of hot air and empty rhetoric.
MrSyrett 6 months ago
@MrSyrett you didn't fight alone the last time, and we did, now won't be the same, since when an island is better than an main country, you without the yankees are nothing, and you know it. Never in my whole life i heard about your stupid version, that's shows your inferior knowledge, what do you know about argentinians?, you know a shit, to me right now you are an infirior scum, who told you that histori? let me guess you invented, don't you? scum.
Leogalvanhalen 6 months ago
@Leogalvanhalen - "you didn't fight alone the last time" - sorry how many American troops were sent to the Falklands? Oh, that's right, none.
"we did" - err no, sorry. Peru and Venezuela sent you aircraft spare parts, Brazil leased you two P-95 maritime patrol aircraft, and Libya supplied you strela 2 missiles. Get you facts right before you start talking shit. You've got nothing to refute my claims except juvenile insults. You're from a weak, insignificant country - face facts
MrSyrett 6 months ago
@MrSyrett how many gurkas you send, hon kong chineses, yankees gave you the satelite positions, chilenos gave you fuel and main land, the yankees gave you the sidewinder, the venesuelans didn't gave any thing, the brasilians didn't let you to enter their country but never gave us something, the peru was the only one so shut the fuck you inferior scum.
Leogalvanhalen 6 months ago
@Leogalvanhalen - "hon kong chineses"? LMAO - thanks for proving your knowledge amounts to dry shit. The number of personnel from "Hong Kong" who saw service in the Falklands were a TINY percentage of the total. Most were laundrymen in the navy. Also, Ghurkas ARE British.. Seriously though - just check the stats on your countries current military strength compared to Britain's. Britain wouldn't need any help against such a weak nation.
MrSyrett 6 months ago
"inferior scum" - what evidence are you basing your claim that argentina is superior to Britain? Your economy is inferior, your education system is inferior (Education Index), your health system is inferior (WHO index), and your contribution to humanity is inferior. Seriously, write down all the contributions to science, industry, arts, the humanities and education that Argentina has given the world, and I'll do the same for Britain. Start by listing all the Argentinian Nobel prize winners.....
MrSyrett 6 months ago
.......It shouldn't take you long, as there's only five. Britain has 116. You could probably write that list on the back of a matchbox to be honest with you
This is about self-determination e.g. If the people of Reunion regard themselves as French, Madagascar has no claim to it. Period. The same applies here. The Falklands were populated before Argentina was even a recognised country. A weak country who blow hot air about the Falklands whenever it needs to divert attention from problems at home
MrSyrett 6 months ago
By the way, you claim that "the brasilians didn't let you to enter their country but never gave us something".
This is of course bullshit. Brazil gave their full support for Argentina during the war. in fact On June 3, 1982, Brazilian F-5 jets intercepted a British Vulcan strategic bomber en route to the Ascension Island after bombing Argentine positions in the Falkland Islands. The aircraft was forced to land at the Galeão Air Force Base in Rio de Janeiro. Again, get your facts right chump
MrSyrett 6 months ago
@MrSyrett and no i no mean like the belgrano i mean about those poor english who burned in: sir galahad, shefiel, conventry, hermes, glasgow, ardent, antelope, fearless, tristam, etc.That's what i mean.
Leogalvanhalen 6 months ago
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@Leogalvanhalen "and no i no mean like the belgrano i mean about those poor english who burned in: sir galahad, shefiel, conventry, hermes, glasgow, ardent, antelope, fearless, tristam, etc.That's what i mean" - and you still lost. Speaks volumes about your nation's ineptitude.
MrSyrett 6 months ago
@111jasy111 como crees que nosotros tomariamos a los kelpers?, de mi parte me parece que no muy bien, a mi personalmente no me agradan, son britanicos y para mi deberian estar en britania como es su voluntad no en nuestro territorio.
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
@Leogalvanhalen Deberiamos hallar un punto en común que deje satisfechas a ambas partes. En principio respeto. Y segundo el nombre. Los britanicos ya no se refieren mas a los isleños como 'kelpers'. Fijate. Somos solo los argentinos. Y ese ingles dice que no es un termino derogatorio pero se refiere a ellos como isleños...
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 sabes que es lo peor que una de las causas de la guerra fue la negacion de los ingleses al negociado, (lo mismo que hacen hoy en dia) no han aprendido nada, si esto sigue asi, la guerra sera siempre una opcion disponible, teniendo enuenta que hoy ya no estamos solos y ellos estan cada vez peor en popularidad, solo falta un politico mas guerrero y el conflicto se reanuda.
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
@Leogalvanhalen De ser así pasaremos de la euforia a la desazón como Pavone en el último domingo. Ellos tampoco están solos ya que las islas actualmente son un protectorado europeo además de británico.
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 lo se, pero a lo que voy es simple el mundo ya no es lo que era, sabias que en la guerra de malvinas los dictadores reusaron la ayuda de los rusos, ya sabemos porque, un pequeño conflicto ya no involucra solo a las partes interesadas y eso sin querer decir que nosotros no tendriamos una oportunidad contra los ingleses, ya lo dijo el coronel seineldin la guerra la gana quien tiene la voluntad de ganarla.
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
@111jasy111 Are you serious!!!! Fuck me with a feather duster!
Resolution 2065 only INVITES both countries for talks. (this was also in 1965 - you pleb!).
Resolution 2160 was a follow up to 2065 which only INVITES talks (this was in 1973 - before the illegal invasion of the falklands)
And the decolonization commitee has alwasy said the only way to resolve Argentina's issue wih the Falklands.
Do you see how the Argentine government have twisted the language used. The UN has a NEUTRAL stance.
manchesterfellow 7 months ago
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@manchesterfellow 21 June 2011 - UN General Assembly GA/COL/3225
"Special Committee on Decolonization Adopts Draft on Falkland Islands (Malvinas), Requesting Argentina, United Kingdom to Resume Talks AS SOON AS POSSIBLE"
It's over, English liars.
111jasy111 7 months ago
@KeepEuropeWhite not according to the UN
111jasy111 7 months ago
The UN Decolonization Committee today adopted a consensus resolution reiterating that the way to end the “special and particular” colonial situation in Malvinas is through peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK. By the terms of the text, introduced by Chile’s representative, the Committee regretted that, despite widespread international support for negotiations, longstanding General Assembly resolutions on that question hadn't been implemented.
111jasy111 7 months ago
Argentina claims the British should leave the Falklands because we are supposedly a crude imperial power and Argentina rightfully owns the islands. By that logic surely all people of Spanish descent living in Argentina should move back to Spain? All 35 million of them. Idiots, they have literally no case.
gehenaus 7 months ago
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@gehenaus you have no idea what is all about it
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
@gehenaus in your opinion...do you think Chile betrayed Argentina in the Falklands war? Chile considered Argentina the invader, and the three of us know what argie's intentions towards Chile were by that time
caezar1993 7 months ago
@KeepEuropeWhite Likewise, many English rulers who had commanded his men of war the murderers tried to return because of the sinking of the Belgrano.
I invite you to see this video.
/watch?v=SSlVY1kzDCQ
MrSantiagor10 7 months ago
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This guy Eddieposted has been spamming all over YouTube for more than one year already, soooo much that I'm sure he does it to makes ends meet. Look, if there are reputation managment agencies that 'clean' politicians and actors, you think the British crown would not use those agencies too? These new types of PR companies aim to discredit their rivals and employ professional writers like Eddie. The agencies charge around 1000 dollars per day which is nothing to the British crown.Think about it.
111jasy111 7 months ago
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This guy Eddieposted has been spamming all over YouTube for more than one year already, soooo much that I'm sure he does it to makes ends meet. Look, if there are reputation managment agencies that 'clean' politicians and actors, you think the British crown would not use those agencies too? These new types of PR companies aim to discredit their rivals and employ professional writers like Eddie. The agencies charge around 1000 dollars per day which is nothing to the British crown.Think about it.
111jasy111 7 months ago
@111jasy111 No, it's hard to believe, not in this matter, they dont allow the review of the conflict so the have not need of this, I really think he lost somebody in the war, must be that, but who knows.
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
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@Eddieposted you don't fool me, of course you hided my comments, you can fool someone else but not me.
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
TRIPLE W elmundo.es/america/2009/11/22/argentina/1258929360.html
caezar1993 7 months ago
(24/11/2009) Por primera vez, un jerarca de la dictadura argentina (1976-1983) El brigadier general retirado Basilio Lami Dozo reveló que en 1982 el régimen militar planeaba la invasión del Chile de Augusto Pinochet, si llegaba a ganar la guerra de las Malvinas contra Gran Bretaña, que finalmente perdió. QUIEN VA A AYUDAR A UN HERMANASTRO QUE MAS TARDE TE QUIERE MATAR? TRAIDORES NOSOTROS?
caezar1993 7 months ago
@caezar1993 Claro que despues de las malvinas seguian ustedes, te recuerdo que el pinocho dijo que se mantendria neutral ante el conflicto y luego ataco a TRAICION, por eso son traidores porque atacan por la espalda, chile y argentina jamas fueron paises hermanos, nuestra gente nunca se llevo bien y en el 78 no entramos en guerra, ¿no se por que? nadie le pidio su ayuda contra los ingleses, si querian pelear con nosotros lo hubieran hecho abiertamente y no escondidos en sus amos ingleses
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
@Leogalvanhalen No hay documentos que avalen eso. Chile no atacó, no tenía como, no había armamentos. Eso que dices es un vericueto retórico y falaz. Con tal de justidficar sus actos y canalizar la atención por otro lado son capaces de distorcionar la historia. Argentina fué invasora en la Falklands. Y simpre le han tenido ganas a Chile. Pero nada, absolutamente nada de lo que digan es de interés para nosotros. ustedes se creen papis de todos, nosotros no tenemos papis
caezar1993 7 months ago
@caezar1993 los hay lee un poco de tu historia, chile movilizo sus tropas a la frontera de la patagonia mientras nosotros luchabamos en malvinas, (supongo que habra sido por orden de la tatcher) sino del pinocho, segundo la aliansa con el suministro de informacion, combustible y tierra para desembacar los hace directamente enemigos. Y si nadie dice que nosotros somos hermanos como paises, solo enemigos casuales y la mayoria del tiempo absolutamente nada. Nadie se cree padre de nada solo enemigos
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
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@Leogalvanhalen Ves que terco eres? Chile estaba consciente de sus planes futuros, y por eso se alineò con Inglaterra. Nos querian invadir con o sin Guerra por las Falklands, nosotros eramos el siguiente objetivo. No pensaràs que estúpidamente nos quedaramos de brazos cruzados. La Señora Tatcher no le dió órdenes a ni un chileno, mi general se puso firme y evitó un nuevo robo, y de paso una matanza.Tanto te cuesta admitir que nos querian invadir? UN general argie ya lo hizo. Eso habla per se
caezar1993 7 months ago
@caezar1993 no me cuesta admitirlo, ya te lo dige, tenes razon en que chile seguia si ganabamos, los ingleses nos robaron las islas primero, esas islas son una colonia en pleno siglo 21 algo sancionado por la ONU, buscate otros argumentos para defender a los gringos. Lo que vos no entendes es que chile se alio en secreto por miedo claro, por no tener honor calro, por atacar a TRAICION y cobardia, la historia es facil por eso les decimos traidores, no porque tenganalgo que ver con nosotros.
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
@Leogalvanhalen que nombre le colocas a un país que en secreto tiene todo planeado para invadir a un país vecino que no esta en guerra? o a quien se aprovecha de que ese país esta en guerra contra otros dos para reclamar la Patagonia? no si no tienes comprensión de lectura o si yo no explico mi punto.. Si nos enteramos que somos el objetivo siguiente, no nos vamos a quedar esperando una invasión. Eso es obvio. Tal vez no para una persona soberbia y tozuda encerrada en un argumento muy parcial
caezar1993 7 months ago
@Leogalvanhalen HONOR: Cualidad moral que lleva al cumplimiento de los propios deberes respecto del prójimo y de uno mismo. (SEGÚN DRAE)
1. En las condiciones que se apropiaron del Chaco... HONOR????
2. En que contexto reclamaron la Patagonia...HONOR???
3. Planear invadir a un país desarmado...HONOR???
Y DE A UNO? CÓMO LES VA???
ERES ININTELIGIBLE. NOS QUERIAN MASACRAR, NOS ENTERAMOS Y NOS ALINEAMOS CON LOS INGLESES PARA PROTEGERNOS. ¿¿¿QUÉ PARTE NO ENTIENDES???
caezar1993 7 months ago
@caezar1993 No entendes, yo no estoy discutiendo con vos, si vamos a la etimologia de la palabra s sobre entiende que el honor es pelear con dignidad sin ningun otro condimento, las guerras que mensionas no fueron a traicion todas las partes esperaban la guerra, aca nosotros no esperabamos que chile se metiera cuando se declaro neutral. Lo unico que ago es explicarte el porque les decimos traidores, no estoy peleando con vos. Y te doy a razon en lo del ataque es mas te libero de sentirte.....
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
@caezar1993 traidor por una obligasion de hermandad, nuestros paises no son hermanos, no tenemos nada que ver uno con el otro, no te sientas traidor por traicionar a como dijiste un hermanastro, porque nisiquiera eso somos, te doy la razon, no son traidores por no defendernos no es ese el punto.
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
@Leogalvanhalen ¿cupal es el punto enontces? ¿cuál es la lógica? Habríamos sido neutrales si ustedes no nos hubieran tenido en nla mira luego, pero nos enteramos en buena hora de sus planes, que eran, en secreto, invadir Chile despues de acabada su guerra con los Ingleses. Estoy tratando de ser objetivo, pero me toca de cerca por que casi pierdo a mi padre en ese conflicto. ¿entiendes? nunca vamos a ser hermanos, pero tampoco debieramos haber sido enemigos, y no fue Chile el que comenzó...
caezar1993 7 months ago
@caezar1993 mira no te quiero ofender, pero lo que le pudo haber pasado a tu padre es de muy poco inters para mi y no me mal interprets, pero muchos hijos, muchos padres argentinos perdieron la vida por sus decisiones y yo no pongo a ningun chileno sobre un por argentino. Vamos a pensar un poco juntos ¿dale? si atacar chile era mas facil que pelear con lo ingleses, ¿Por que crees que no atacamos chile en lugar de las malvinas? la guerra con chile iba a ser consecuencia de la ayuda a inglatrra.
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago
@Leogalvanhalen No se de donde sacaste eso, pero es falaz. El gobierno militar argentino era impopular en esos años, y las Malvinas eran un pretexto perfecto para subir la popularidad, y de paso terminar lo que siempre han querido, anexar Chile, por que creian que su ejercito es SUPERB. Entinedo que no te importe, yo igual lamento las perdidas, de amobos lados. Te insisto, en ningun momento en la historia Chile ha comenzado ni una sola hostilidad con Argentina, ha sido al revés.
caezar1993 7 months ago
@caezar1993 para, pensa si popularidad er lo que los ictadores querian (no lo niego)¿ por que arriesgarse con inglaterra cuando una guerra con shile era una victoria segura? te lo digo, argentina no tenia pensado atacar a chile, el conflicto del 78 estaba cerrado, por lo menos para argentina se ve. Es un atropello el pensar que se planificaba otra guerra cuando todavia no habia empeza la de las malvinas.
Leogalvanhalen 7 months ago