By chance, are there any videos on YouTube featuring the exposition of the spy plane photographs? Movie recreations are nice and all, but the legit footage would suffice much more.
Why did't Kennedy stick it to the Russian ambassador in the White House , possibly making all this very dangerous drama unnecessary? GOOD QUESTION, MR. ZORIN.
@ZenPapageno That would not prevent the Soviets from placing IRBMs on other sites in Cuba in the future. Besides, I guess Kennedy didn't want to show his hand at that time.
I love this scene! I loved how JFK was watching the UN on tv and he said, (something like)"What is that thing that Sun Tzu says? `Long before battles are won on the field they're won in the temple.'? This is where we turn it all around! You tell Adlai to go in there and STICK IT TO THAT SON OF A BITCH!"
While the Soviets were indeed disingenuous about their activities in Cuba, Stevenson and the Kennedy administration were highly hypocritical of their own actions when they knew full well that the United States had ICBMs positioned in Turkey, within full striking distance of cities in the USSR. Khrushchev noted this numerous times when he had visitors come to his dachas at the Black Sea and so the missiles in Cuba should not have come as too great as a surprise for the Americans.
GOD DAMN!!!!!!!!!! i get chills down my back watching this, this is a great ass movie and its based on true events or story but adlai was on fire he totally burned that soviet rep and he showed them what was going on in cuba damn thank god for those people back then i really do applaude when the movie ends cause JFK and GOVT totally saved the US from destruction from the soviets.
The Soviet Union had no legal right to do anything, period. The communists had no legal right to overthrow the rightful rulers of Cuba in the first place and plunge the people of Cuba into litteral imprisonment for the past 50 years. Your type of attitude of them having a supposed "right" to put missiles in cuba is why the American people cannot stand the UN in the second place.
wHAT RIGHT DID THEY HAVE? THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO INSTALL MISSILES THERE. CUBA HAS BEEN AN IMPRISONED ISLAND SINCE CASTRO OVERTHREW IT WITH THE AID OF THE COMMUNISTS IN 1959. AGAIN, WHAT 'RIGHT' DID THEY HAVE?
@3dartistguy It's politics, not a video game or comic book. There are no good guys and bad guys. There are certain ways of thinking and then there are others. The USSR had the same political right to install missiles in Cuba than the US did to put missiles in Turkey. Now, which political system one prefers is another story.
dUDE, COMMUNISM WAS AND STILL IS AN EVIL SYSTEM. WE WERE FIGHTING THE COLD WAR, TO PRESERVE FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY OF WHICH THERE WAS NONE IN THE SOVIET UNION OR CUBA OR CHINA...THEY HAD NO RIGHT. THEY WERE CLEARLY TESTING WHAT THEY BELIEVED TO BE A WEAK LEADER IN PRESIDENT KENNEDY AND HE DEFINALLY PROVED THEM WRONG AND THEN SOME!
@3dartistguy Again, I'm not saying which is good or bad. But in terms of global politics, the USSR had the right. Whether the US agreed or not is another story. It is not an act of war by any extent.
@3dartistguy Communism is not inherently a bad system, simply an impractical one. It is the corrupt leaders that make it an evil system. Right on man!
@3dartistguy Make a judgment about what is wrong and what is right, specifically about economic and polithical models it's a waste of time. Democracy is not perfect either.
Dude, the Soviet Union was wrong. They were trying to force communism on the rest of the world it proved, thank god, to be a massive failure and waste of time. The people of the former Soviet Union live like they did around 1900. They have no computers, no internet, no nothing. this is not a judgement call. Our system is far superior to theirs in everyway. Again, they had no right to place missiles in Cuba especially when we did nothing to provoke them.
IMHO, not a good casting choice for Adlai Stevenson. This guy looks like a mafia hitman. :) Great staging and setup though. Good casting for Bobby Kennedy.
Typical American arrogance. There's no way Stevenson owned Zorin. If it wasn't for the imagery analysis Zorin would have eaten cornflakes out of Stevenson's skull.
@1poiuztrewq2 i don't really understand what you mean... the US rep proved that the USSR rep was lying. in front of the whole sec. council. how could he have turned the tables when he was lying and they had the proof?
kudos to adlai for drawing out korin into repeating his denial of the missiles. It totally destroyd K's credibility once AS presented the proof. But why did Korin pass ther buck onto the Peruvian official when he thought he had stonewalled Adlai? What was their alliance? I'd like to know.
Interesting to see how Michael Fairman, who's playing Adlai Stevenson in this movie, resembles the late E.G. Marshall, who was also very good at playing bureaucrats. Great cinema!
"Don't wait for the translation, yes or no?" That was I think the first great moment for AS, then of course "I'm prepared to wait for my answer until Hell freezes over." That one of the best retorts ever done and showed that Zorin really had no way out.
Well, if you'd watch the original record, you'd see that Zorin pwnd Adlai and not the other way around. But of course, for this (American) movie, they changed the dialog...
The dialog is faithful to verbatim copies of the UNSC's debates. Zorin could never have pwnd Stevenson, he had the pictures in the room. He was, however, a formidable opponent to face in a debate.
Although I do like the progression of your comments -
"Look at the original record - it shows that Zorin actually "pwnd" Stevenson and not the other way around."
(Then, after being told that the dialogue is indeed faithful to verbatim copies of the UNSC's transcript) -
"Well...look at the original record...and anyway, there's no way Zorin reacted like that. When they brought out the photographs, his reaction was way different."
Ummm....I think someone's a little defensive/sensitive...
@DestinysNinja Sure, most UNSC meetings have publicly accessible verbatim records. You can find it at documents.un.org by searching for "S/PV.1025(OR)" (w/out the quotes). Stevenson's speech begins by page 12 on the PDF, and Zorin's speech is right above that.
Also you can use the Freedom of Information act to get just about any doc. you want......even if you do not need it, use this legal weapon to piss off some Gov. bureaucrat....i do it all the time as a law student...its fun!
I dont know what you mean, when you look at the original record Adlai produces clear evidence in front of the whole Security Council proving the Soviets were lying to the world Adlai clearly won. BUT I think the States were being very hypocritical throughout the Crisis because they had almost the exact same situation set up in Turkey pointed directly at the Soviet Union. Apparently this was part of NATO but it was still extremely hypocritical
John Bolton isn't even fit to be in the same sentence with Adlai Stevenson;muchless mentioned as a "UN Anbassidor". Bolton treated his job as a joke and it was a joke to put him there. Stevenson accually DID his job. As for Kirkpatrick...Who the hell is that?
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Evidently you think this film is a transcription of real life. God help the country in twenty years when your generation gets control. As for Kirkpatrick, she's the UN Ambassador who denounced the Russians when they shot down Korean Air 007 in 1983, 269 passengers dead. Tell me how effective Adlai was in stopping Kennedy from escalating Vietnam. Finally Bolton led the charge against Iran's attempt to get nukes. I repeat, Stevenson was completely ineffective save in the role of dupe
This part(as with most of the film) was almost word for word what happened in real life, so yes I do. My generation IS in control trying to fix what your generation broke. Again, what did Kirkpatrick do while she was there at U.N.? Bolton was a really bad choise to put in as Ambassidor. He didn't even believe in their should have been a U.N. Adlai had no control to tell President Kennedy what to do in Vienam. Your telling of history is scary and wrong at the same time.
"Adlai had no control to tell President Kennedy what to do in Vietnam.:" What's the point of the UN, then? The 9/11 hijackers knew this, which is why they suicided into the Trade Centers, which matter, instead of Turtle Bay, which doesn't. Bolton is bang right that the UN should be sent to Paris. You still haven't mentioned Stevenson's role in the Bay of Pigs, doubtless because reading all this has made your lips numb.
Made my lips numb? Why did you even come on to this page if all your going to do is to comment on how bad Stevenson was? And what about the Bay of Pigs? The Kennedy administration took responsibility after if failed, they didn't attack Cuba after it happened like Bolton would have wanted I'm sure(or Bush). Again, Adlai Stevenson was but one voice among the many advisors to President Kennedy. Adlai was not perfect, but he's sure as hell better than Bolton ever was. Please stop rewriting history.
Stevenson showed the UN in the spring of 1961 photographs of planes he said were defecting from Cuba. They were CIA planes. He was being used as a dupe, with Kennedy's approval. As for Kennedy taking responsibility for BoP, how could he have denied it.? He tried to tell Eisenhower that he thought the US could have kept its role quiet. Eisenhower was scornful, and Kennedy wilted. I come here for the same reason I pull weeds from my garden. Truth is Beauty, said Keats. This must horrify you.
He could have because it wasn't his administration who trained those Cuban Exiles, it was Eisenhower's. The plan was shown to Kennedy and he approved the go ahead. So what if those were CIA planes, they did covert missons before and after Kennedy. Ike was the one who gave Kennedy the idea to go into places like Cuba,Vietnam and even Laos. Truth IS beauty. The reason it does "horrify" me is because you're once again trying to make a good person look bad and it's not working. Again, good try.
Oh. Your think JFK should say, I don't know what goes on in my Administration and these Piggers, because I'm an out of touch ninny, Ike did it. Recall that JFK anonymously told the SATURDAY EVENING POST in December 1962 that "Adlai wanted a Munich." That's how JFK felt about AS. AS returned the favor: when Arthur Schlesinger met AS on the evening of JFK's death, AS was smirking as he discussed it. Schlesinger admitted he loved AS, but never felt the same about him again. Some "good man."
I have that issue of the SEP and I wonder; How do you know it was President Kennedy who said that if it was an anonymous quote? You are just lying to prove a point and a bad one at that. Stevenson was saddened at President Kennedy's death. Please,Please,Please Stop making up things to make Stevenson look like a bad person.
JFK as the source of the SEP quote is in KENNEDY'S WARS by Lawrence Freedman. As for AS smirking, in Schlesinger's presence try THE CRISIS YEARS by Michael Beschloss, which also has the Munich comment.
AS was sorely tried by JFK, but he treated JFK badly in the runup to the 1960 race. AS turned his back on civil rights by declining to be Atty Genl, and went to the UN He might have made a big difference for good in American civil rights. He went to UN parties. Frivolity and weakness.
You can write what you like until you're blue in the face. Nothing you write is going to make me believe otherwise. I won't "try" the book you suggested because I know Adlai fought for the same things President Kennedy wanted. He was a lot better on civil rights than Kennedy was. So what if he was not AG; why didn't Robert do anything about Civil Rights if they were so concerned ? Adlai was perfect to be Ambassidor for the United States. He was able to keep us out of Nuclear war.
You won't try the sources I've suggested. Why not? Can't read? No disgrace, just a problem to correct.
Why not try to convert me? You say AS was better than JFK on civil rights. What was AS's position on the 1957 CR Act? How did he push JFK for civil rights? What do you know about AS beyond this movie ? Have you read the Martin or McKeever, biographies? Tell us what facts you know about AS.
"I'm prepared to wait for my answer until Hell freezes over."
I have probably read more on the 1960's?politics in general than you ever have. I don't want nor need to "convert" you because I don't know you, nor care to know you. Who cares what his opinion was on the CR Act of '57? Was he in the Senate at the time? Did he have any control to tell Kennedy what to vote for on Civil Rights? I know he was a great governor and the smartest man to run for President and lose,IMO. I read "A prophet in his own time". Why do I need to proove to you why I like AS?
The Davis biography of AS isn't bad, but it was written before AS's 1956 try was through, so it is necessarily unfinished. AS was a greater gov than Altgeld? Or Frank Lowden? Even Otto Kerner? What makes AS greater than these three? AS was not in the Senate in 57, but are you saying that his opinion as the Dems 1956 candidate for Prez was irrelevant? You said that AS had a great rep on civil rights,. That is why I asked you what AS's opinion was . The Davis bio won't tell you.
AS is not a bad man, just a weak lazy one with an atrocious sense of timing. When JFK formed his Administration, he fave AS a choice: the UN or Attorney General. The AG slot would have given AS a real job in the civil rights era, one where he could have made a difference, and not been stepped on so much by JFK. he chose parties at the UN, and being a Kennedy dupe. In the words of Tony Blair: Weak, weak weak.
"AS" ,as you call him, was the one who took the world back from the brink of nuclear war. maybe JFK did not really like "AS", but he made a great choice. Stevenson made a difference at the UN, just like he did when he was a governor .He was not a ''dupe'', he was the finest representative the United States ever had at the UN because he was a "citizen of the world" and not a norrow-minded, self centered isolationist.
obvioulsy your not even old enough to remeber history if you don't know who Jeaneen Kirpatrick is. ON e tough ass woman, who garnered major respect from the world community. LOok her up
I did look her up and she seems very unqualified for the job. At the very least, Stevenson was at the first meeting of the UN and actually believed in what it was trying to accomplish. She donen't impress me. She seemed like she didn't have her heart in the job. I may not be "old enough" but I can tell Adlai was better in that position than Ms. Kirkpatrick was.
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Clearly, Reagan saved us from all of this 20 years later. No other people could possibly be responsible for that. By the way, it's kind of hard to stop something from happening after your head has been exploded by an assassin's bullet. Just saying.
Do you remember the last time Stevenson tried this stunt? It was during the Bay of Pigs when he said a "defecting" aircraft had come from Cuba. It hadn't; Kennedy was just using AS the way he was best suited: a dupe.
By chance, are there any videos on YouTube featuring the exposition of the spy plane photographs? Movie recreations are nice and all, but the legit footage would suffice much more.
holt2k 2 weeks ago
I just love this part of the movie! The United States just knocked the USSR! Marvelous!!
Ulf6D 2 weeks ago
5 people were from Sovjet Union
Dickhael 2 months ago
Why did't Kennedy stick it to the Russian ambassador in the White House , possibly making all this very dangerous drama unnecessary? GOOD QUESTION, MR. ZORIN.
ZenPapageno 6 months ago
@ZenPapageno That would not prevent the Soviets from placing IRBMs on other sites in Cuba in the future. Besides, I guess Kennedy didn't want to show his hand at that time.
MajorStrasser 5 months ago
4:18
Damn right, Adlai! You tell him!
maxpowers518 6 months ago
I love this scene! I loved how JFK was watching the UN on tv and he said, (something like)"What is that thing that Sun Tzu says? `Long before battles are won on the field they're won in the temple.'? This is where we turn it all around! You tell Adlai to go in there and STICK IT TO THAT SON OF A BITCH!"
Tigerman1138 6 months ago
"Stick it 'em Adlai" hahahahahahha.
daveibukun 8 months ago
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edyoung44 8 months ago
High level diplomatic pawnage :D
JakobOstergaard 9 months ago 2
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NoMoreVeto 9 months ago
God this movie just sucks you in!!
madsholthansen 9 months ago
While the Soviets were indeed disingenuous about their activities in Cuba, Stevenson and the Kennedy administration were highly hypocritical of their own actions when they knew full well that the United States had ICBMs positioned in Turkey, within full striking distance of cities in the USSR. Khrushchev noted this numerous times when he had visitors come to his dachas at the Black Sea and so the missiles in Cuba should not have come as too great as a surprise for the Americans.
hyethga 9 months ago
GOD DAMN!!!!!!!!!! i get chills down my back watching this, this is a great ass movie and its based on true events or story but adlai was on fire he totally burned that soviet rep and he showed them what was going on in cuba damn thank god for those people back then i really do applaude when the movie ends cause JFK and GOVT totally saved the US from destruction from the soviets.
edyoung44 9 months ago
And then shit goes down back at the blockade.
jung567 9 months ago
Man... talk about getting owned at an arguement
ImLandsquid 10 months ago
"Don't wait for the translation."
Is this where the makers of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country got the line from?
mzhivago925 10 months ago 6
@mzhivago925 Yes, I remember reading that somewhere.
MajorStrasser 9 months ago 4
This is how white people act badass
Balian49 11 months ago
"I am preparing to wait for my answer until HELL FREEZES OVER it that's what is needed!"
123456RaulMorales 1 year ago
The Soviet Union had no legal right to do anything, period. The communists had no legal right to overthrow the rightful rulers of Cuba in the first place and plunge the people of Cuba into litteral imprisonment for the past 50 years. Your type of attitude of them having a supposed "right" to put missiles in cuba is why the American people cannot stand the UN in the second place.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
Adali was the Democratic nominee for President in 1952 and 1956. Even though I like Ike, he seems like he would have made a good President.
shadowVDP1 1 year ago
Elect a REPUBLICAN President in 2012 so we can put more missiles in Poland for the invasion of Russia!!!!
LDD86 1 year ago
The worst part is the USSR had every right to install missiles in Cuba, but only made themselves look bad by lying about it.
australoameribelge03 1 year ago
wHAT RIGHT DID THEY HAVE? THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO INSTALL MISSILES THERE. CUBA HAS BEEN AN IMPRISONED ISLAND SINCE CASTRO OVERTHREW IT WITH THE AID OF THE COMMUNISTS IN 1959. AGAIN, WHAT 'RIGHT' DID THEY HAVE?
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy The same right NATO/the US had to install missiles in Turkey post WWII.
australoameribelge03 1 year ago
Dude thats just stupid. We are the good guys. They were the bad....if you can't see that, than maybe you should go live someplace else!
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy It's politics, not a video game or comic book. There are no good guys and bad guys. There are certain ways of thinking and then there are others. The USSR had the same political right to install missiles in Cuba than the US did to put missiles in Turkey. Now, which political system one prefers is another story.
australoameribelge03 1 year ago
dUDE, COMMUNISM WAS AND STILL IS AN EVIL SYSTEM. WE WERE FIGHTING THE COLD WAR, TO PRESERVE FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY OF WHICH THERE WAS NONE IN THE SOVIET UNION OR CUBA OR CHINA...THEY HAD NO RIGHT. THEY WERE CLEARLY TESTING WHAT THEY BELIEVED TO BE A WEAK LEADER IN PRESIDENT KENNEDY AND HE DEFINALLY PROVED THEM WRONG AND THEN SOME!
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy Again, I'm not saying which is good or bad. But in terms of global politics, the USSR had the right. Whether the US agreed or not is another story. It is not an act of war by any extent.
australoameribelge03 1 year ago
well President Kennedy considered it an act of war and he was right. I don't agree they had any right.
3dartistguy 1 year ago
@3dartistguy Communism is not inherently a bad system, simply an impractical one. It is the corrupt leaders that make it an evil system. Right on man!
thesath2 10 months ago
@3dartistguy Make a judgment about what is wrong and what is right, specifically about economic and polithical models it's a waste of time. Democracy is not perfect either.
xlolazox 9 months ago
Dude, the Soviet Union was wrong. They were trying to force communism on the rest of the world it proved, thank god, to be a massive failure and waste of time. The people of the former Soviet Union live like they did around 1900. They have no computers, no internet, no nothing. this is not a judgement call. Our system is far superior to theirs in everyway. Again, they had no right to place missiles in Cuba especially when we did nothing to provoke them.
3dartistguy 9 months ago
@3dartistguy they were trying to make every place the same at that year in 1900 they stoped and said if we cant beat them, jion them
dawsonguy1234567890 8 months ago
Your statement makes no sense.
3dartistguy 8 months ago
@3dartistguy ill smart it up the russians were angry how america was doing so well is what i heard
dawsonguy1234567890 8 months ago
@3dartistguy
ROFLMFAO There is no Good and Evil. Grow the fuck up and start reading some books other than the Bible. Perspective is everything.
1poiuztrewq2 6 months ago
why did they have so little faith in Stevenson?
CrazyDaveZ 1 year ago
@CrazyDaveZ They had such little faith in Stevenson because he has looked like a fool when the Soviets had shown him up in '61 over the bay of pigs.
asiler42 1 year ago
IMHO, not a good casting choice for Adlai Stevenson. This guy looks like a mafia hitman. :) Great staging and setup though. Good casting for Bobby Kennedy.
Glinkaism1 1 year ago
Kevin Kostner = Worst accent EVER
italianswiggler 1 year ago
@italianswiggler So true!
momojojo75 1 year ago
Hi people !
Im from Chile :D and i suprissed about the 4:49 !
Where can i found more information about who was the Chilean guy on this reunion ?
He gave his "talkTime" to U.S. for showing proves !
Its an important move saving the world from Nuclear WW3 :D !
stoplookhear 1 year ago 13
@stoplookhear On the UN records, he is identified as "Mr. Schweitzer". I think you'll have to look up further details.
MajorStrasser 1 year ago 4
@stoplookhear was Chile part of the soviet union?
jeanqbxx 10 months ago
@jeanqbxx
A bit, we had the Comunist ideas on governament from 1970 to 1973 with Mr President Salvador Allende.
Close friends of Cuba, East Germany, URSS, East Europe.
This video is before 1970, this time we were EEUU close friends.
Greetings !
stoplookhear 10 months ago
@jeanqbxx Absolutelly no D:!
xlolazox 9 months ago
@stoplookhear Very cool.
deguimerautube 8 months ago
@stoplookhear His name is Ambassador Daniel Schweitzer, permanent Chilean representative to the United Nations
daveibukun 8 months ago
i like this...
georginakakl 1 year ago
I believe that this was shown on television at the time; Stevenson beat up Zorin....
histre101 1 year ago
The actor playing Zorin kicks much monkey ass. If you watch the authentic, original footage, it's almost like watching his doppelganger. He rocks!
tlibber 1 year ago
"Don't wait for the translation, yes or no?"
Typical American arrogance. There's no way Stevenson owned Zorin. If it wasn't for the imagery analysis Zorin would have eaten cornflakes out of Stevenson's skull.
1poiuztrewq2 1 year ago
@1poiuztrewq2 i don't really understand what you mean... the US rep proved that the USSR rep was lying. in front of the whole sec. council. how could he have turned the tables when he was lying and they had the proof?
DestinysNinja 1 year ago
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1poiuztrewq2 1 year ago
Fantastic scene! I love the actor playing Stevenson.
HectorJW2007 1 year ago
This is REALTY!
dennispace1 1 year ago
Stevenson cut the Soviet Union's balls off in front of the entire world
thndrct218 1 year ago 3
Don't think so LUDEC-- this transcript's available online.
GunboatDebater 1 year ago
kudos to adlai for drawing out korin into repeating his denial of the missiles. It totally destroyd K's credibility once AS presented the proof. But why did Korin pass ther buck onto the Peruvian official when he thought he had stonewalled Adlai? What was their alliance? I'd like to know.
Defender78 1 year ago
The Russian are so stupid for doing this
They made them self so foolish
We had the intelligence prove it.
SONIC2620081981 2 years ago
he was angry going that room and he put his ass in check.
that only problem is that he did not know so I feel bad for that guy.
SONIC2620081981 2 years ago
Interesting to see how Michael Fairman, who's playing Adlai Stevenson in this movie, resembles the late E.G. Marshall, who was also very good at playing bureaucrats. Great cinema!
videoclog 2 years ago
"Don't wait for the translation, yes or no?" That was I think the first great moment for AS, then of course "I'm prepared to wait for my answer until Hell freezes over." That one of the best retorts ever done and showed that Zorin really had no way out.
Tyrunner0097 2 years ago
Well, if you'd watch the original record, you'd see that Zorin pwnd Adlai and not the other way around. But of course, for this (American) movie, they changed the dialog...
lucdec 2 years ago
The dialog is faithful to verbatim copies of the UNSC's debates. Zorin could never have pwnd Stevenson, he had the pictures in the room. He was, however, a formidable opponent to face in a debate.
MajorStrasser 2 years ago 10
Look at the original record...
lucdec 2 years ago
Look at UN document S/PV. 1025.
MajorStrasser 2 years ago 4
Anyway - Zorin's reaction was different, he wasn't shocked at all...
lucdec 2 years ago
Although I do like the progression of your comments -
"Look at the original record - it shows that Zorin actually "pwnd" Stevenson and not the other way around."
(Then, after being told that the dialogue is indeed faithful to verbatim copies of the UNSC's transcript) -
"Well...look at the original record...and anyway, there's no way Zorin reacted like that. When they brought out the photographs, his reaction was way different."
Ummm....I think someone's a little defensive/sensitive...
cjrsoccer1 2 years ago
@MajorStrasser hey, do you know where i can access this document? i'm doing a history essay and it'd be soo helpful
DestinysNinja 1 year ago
@DestinysNinja Sure, most UNSC meetings have publicly accessible verbatim records. You can find it at documents.un.org by searching for "S/PV.1025(OR)" (w/out the quotes). Stevenson's speech begins by page 12 on the PDF, and Zorin's speech is right above that.
MajorStrasser 1 year ago
@MajorStrasser
Also you can use the Freedom of Information act to get just about any doc. you want......even if you do not need it, use this legal weapon to piss off some Gov. bureaucrat....i do it all the time as a law student...its fun!
enverpasha55 1 year ago
I dont know what you mean, when you look at the original record Adlai produces clear evidence in front of the whole Security Council proving the Soviets were lying to the world Adlai clearly won. BUT I think the States were being very hypocritical throughout the Crisis because they had almost the exact same situation set up in Turkey pointed directly at the Soviet Union. Apparently this was part of NATO but it was still extremely hypocritical
Blakey6678 1 year ago
@lucdec So... you're saying the Cuban Missile Crisis didn't really happen?
DarthBotto 1 year ago
For at least 5 minutes, the Cold War actually seemed worth fighting. Bravo Adlai.
Stefanthenautilus 2 years ago
"I am prepared to wait for my answer until hell freezes over".
daveibukun 2 years ago 3
Excellent movie.
daveibukun 2 years ago 2
Would any one like me to post this film up?? If so i can in a week or so :0))
ThreeWordsFirstWord 2 years ago
PLEASE DO!
Suprkit 2 years ago
The exact part I needed to see again! THANKS!
absnl 2 years ago
All the way with Adlai!
Suprkit 2 years ago
Adlai makes me proud to be American!
uber418 2 years ago 5
the Best UN Ambassidor we've ever had(IMHO).
Suprkit 2 years ago
Also the only one you know. Stevenson wasn't fit to polish Jeane Kirkpatrick or John Bolton's shoes
leoamery 2 years ago
John Bolton isn't even fit to be in the same sentence with Adlai Stevenson;muchless mentioned as a "UN Anbassidor". Bolton treated his job as a joke and it was a joke to put him there. Stevenson accually DID his job. As for Kirkpatrick...Who the hell is that?
Suprkit 2 years ago
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Evidently you think this film is a transcription of real life. God help the country in twenty years when your generation gets control. As for Kirkpatrick, she's the UN Ambassador who denounced the Russians when they shot down Korean Air 007 in 1983, 269 passengers dead. Tell me how effective Adlai was in stopping Kennedy from escalating Vietnam. Finally Bolton led the charge against Iran's attempt to get nukes. I repeat, Stevenson was completely ineffective save in the role of dupe
leoamery 2 years ago
This part(as with most of the film) was almost word for word what happened in real life, so yes I do. My generation IS in control trying to fix what your generation broke. Again, what did Kirkpatrick do while she was there at U.N.? Bolton was a really bad choise to put in as Ambassidor. He didn't even believe in their should have been a U.N. Adlai had no control to tell President Kennedy what to do in Vienam. Your telling of history is scary and wrong at the same time.
Suprkit 2 years ago
"Adlai had no control to tell President Kennedy what to do in Vietnam.:" What's the point of the UN, then? The 9/11 hijackers knew this, which is why they suicided into the Trade Centers, which matter, instead of Turtle Bay, which doesn't. Bolton is bang right that the UN should be sent to Paris. You still haven't mentioned Stevenson's role in the Bay of Pigs, doubtless because reading all this has made your lips numb.
leoamery 2 years ago
Made my lips numb? Why did you even come on to this page if all your going to do is to comment on how bad Stevenson was? And what about the Bay of Pigs? The Kennedy administration took responsibility after if failed, they didn't attack Cuba after it happened like Bolton would have wanted I'm sure(or Bush). Again, Adlai Stevenson was but one voice among the many advisors to President Kennedy. Adlai was not perfect, but he's sure as hell better than Bolton ever was. Please stop rewriting history.
Suprkit 2 years ago
Stevenson showed the UN in the spring of 1961 photographs of planes he said were defecting from Cuba. They were CIA planes. He was being used as a dupe, with Kennedy's approval. As for Kennedy taking responsibility for BoP, how could he have denied it.? He tried to tell Eisenhower that he thought the US could have kept its role quiet. Eisenhower was scornful, and Kennedy wilted. I come here for the same reason I pull weeds from my garden. Truth is Beauty, said Keats. This must horrify you.
leoamery 2 years ago
He could have because it wasn't his administration who trained those Cuban Exiles, it was Eisenhower's. The plan was shown to Kennedy and he approved the go ahead. So what if those were CIA planes, they did covert missons before and after Kennedy. Ike was the one who gave Kennedy the idea to go into places like Cuba,Vietnam and even Laos. Truth IS beauty. The reason it does "horrify" me is because you're once again trying to make a good person look bad and it's not working. Again, good try.
Suprkit 2 years ago
Oh. Your think JFK should say, I don't know what goes on in my Administration and these Piggers, because I'm an out of touch ninny, Ike did it. Recall that JFK anonymously told the SATURDAY EVENING POST in December 1962 that "Adlai wanted a Munich." That's how JFK felt about AS. AS returned the favor: when Arthur Schlesinger met AS on the evening of JFK's death, AS was smirking as he discussed it. Schlesinger admitted he loved AS, but never felt the same about him again. Some "good man."
leoamery 2 years ago
I have that issue of the SEP and I wonder; How do you know it was President Kennedy who said that if it was an anonymous quote? You are just lying to prove a point and a bad one at that. Stevenson was saddened at President Kennedy's death. Please,Please,Please Stop making up things to make Stevenson look like a bad person.
Suprkit 2 years ago
JFK as the source of the SEP quote is in KENNEDY'S WARS by Lawrence Freedman. As for AS smirking, in Schlesinger's presence try THE CRISIS YEARS by Michael Beschloss, which also has the Munich comment.
AS was sorely tried by JFK, but he treated JFK badly in the runup to the 1960 race. AS turned his back on civil rights by declining to be Atty Genl, and went to the UN He might have made a big difference for good in American civil rights. He went to UN parties. Frivolity and weakness.
leoamery 2 years ago
You can write what you like until you're blue in the face. Nothing you write is going to make me believe otherwise. I won't "try" the book you suggested because I know Adlai fought for the same things President Kennedy wanted. He was a lot better on civil rights than Kennedy was. So what if he was not AG; why didn't Robert do anything about Civil Rights if they were so concerned ? Adlai was perfect to be Ambassidor for the United States. He was able to keep us out of Nuclear war.
Suprkit 2 years ago
You won't try the sources I've suggested. Why not? Can't read? No disgrace, just a problem to correct.
Why not try to convert me? You say AS was better than JFK on civil rights. What was AS's position on the 1957 CR Act? How did he push JFK for civil rights? What do you know about AS beyond this movie ? Have you read the Martin or McKeever, biographies? Tell us what facts you know about AS.
"I'm prepared to wait for my answer until Hell freezes over."
leoamery 2 years ago
I have probably read more on the 1960's?politics in general than you ever have. I don't want nor need to "convert" you because I don't know you, nor care to know you. Who cares what his opinion was on the CR Act of '57? Was he in the Senate at the time? Did he have any control to tell Kennedy what to vote for on Civil Rights? I know he was a great governor and the smartest man to run for President and lose,IMO. I read "A prophet in his own time". Why do I need to proove to you why I like AS?
Suprkit 2 years ago
The Davis biography of AS isn't bad, but it was written before AS's 1956 try was through, so it is necessarily unfinished. AS was a greater gov than Altgeld? Or Frank Lowden? Even Otto Kerner? What makes AS greater than these three? AS was not in the Senate in 57, but are you saying that his opinion as the Dems 1956 candidate for Prez was irrelevant? You said that AS had a great rep on civil rights,. That is why I asked you what AS's opinion was . The Davis bio won't tell you.
leoamery 2 years ago
AS is not a bad man, just a weak lazy one with an atrocious sense of timing. When JFK formed his Administration, he fave AS a choice: the UN or Attorney General. The AG slot would have given AS a real job in the civil rights era, one where he could have made a difference, and not been stepped on so much by JFK. he chose parties at the UN, and being a Kennedy dupe. In the words of Tony Blair: Weak, weak weak.
leoamery 2 years ago
"AS" ,as you call him, was the one who took the world back from the brink of nuclear war. maybe JFK did not really like "AS", but he made a great choice. Stevenson made a difference at the UN, just like he did when he was a governor .He was not a ''dupe'', he was the finest representative the United States ever had at the UN because he was a "citizen of the world" and not a norrow-minded, self centered isolationist.
Suprkit 2 years ago 3
obvioulsy your not even old enough to remeber history if you don't know who Jeaneen Kirpatrick is. ON e tough ass woman, who garnered major respect from the world community. LOok her up
amgor2000 2 years ago
I did look her up and she seems very unqualified for the job. At the very least, Stevenson was at the first meeting of the UN and actually believed in what it was trying to accomplish. She donen't impress me. She seemed like she didn't have her heart in the job. I may not be "old enough" but I can tell Adlai was better in that position than Ms. Kirkpatrick was.
Suprkit 2 years ago
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Clearly, Reagan saved us from all of this 20 years later. No other people could possibly be responsible for that. By the way, it's kind of hard to stop something from happening after your head has been exploded by an assassin's bullet. Just saying.
muddro420 2 years ago
Best scene in the entire film
heathen72 2 years ago 3
Love how Adlai threw it back at the Russians!
anakin419 2 years ago 4
Do you remember the last time Stevenson tried this stunt? It was during the Bay of Pigs when he said a "defecting" aircraft had come from Cuba. It hadn't; Kennedy was just using AS the way he was best suited: a dupe.
leoamery 2 years ago
adlai stevenson rocks!! xD
favorite scene, favorite movie!!
0ayaka00 2 years ago 4
"I am prepared to wait for my answer until hell freezes over!" That is an awesome line!
AmericanAirlinesRule 2 years ago 35
@AmericanAirlinesRule the best part is, he actually said that
wpopp420 1 year ago
Adlai Stevenson was awesome.
aceofosea 2 years ago 6
*yes*
SBIMEZM86 2 years ago
You go, Adlai!
anakin419 2 years ago 20
i love this scene.
jackhurst85 3 years ago 7