I'm about to start a Ka turbo build, because of the sound when the throttle is released (compressor surge or bov not sure what you have) im naming it the serpent.
The Ka-T is Better than the SR20 all day. Also @ AUto Addictions This is the AEM KA-T That I called about that Needs Retuned for FIC's new 1100H injectors, It had there same Driver and is the same injector except the old ones flowed 1050cc and were matched within 5% , now that they match them within 2.5% they actually flow at 1100cc . So I don't need a New tune, I'm actually De-Tuned currently. I just need a Minor Adjustment to adjust some >SLightly < off AFR
@h1tm4n26 it means he using 10 Pounds per Square Inch of BOOST! The more boost or "psi" means your forcing more air into the intake manifold meaning you need more fire (spark plugs and ignition system) and you need more fuel (high output fuel pump and larger injectors with some type of fuel management system) and all that equals more torque and more POWER. So more "PSI" or BOOST means more Horsepower
OK, to attempt to clear up some of the nonsense that has been posted here... the KA24DE comes stock with 155 horsepower, the sr20det comes stock with around 205, depending on which version you get. The KA produces more torque (in relation to hp) because of its longer stroke, but the SR can rev higher because the stroke is shorter. To some of the SR fanbois: the KA will make AT LEAST 205 HP with a t25 and some supporting parts (<$1000, if you get the t25 used from an sr20) and have more torque.
@skanknstein13 the ka24de internals are not forged, its ka24e is suppost to have forged rods, but i cant find anywhere that states the pistons and rods on my ka24de are forgeds... i guess if i thought your statement was true i wouldnt have bought forged eagle rods and wiesco pistons.
lol wow you clearly don't know anything about wheels. the wheels on the car in the video are crappy $400 sportmax 962. kids talkin on yootoobe like they know what they is talkin bout shieeeeeeeet
And who cares what car is faster its a NIssan and that's all that matters sr ka qr vq who cares. I drive a 240sx with a ka. I don't hate on any other motor. If my shit came with an sr than dam i would drift with that two. KA = Torque
why would it warp? If you overheat your engine you should machine the block reguardless if your putting out high hp or you just want the engine to last long after.
same price as getting a much more reliable sr20det i mean factory turbo setup ecu tune etc vs is almost always gonna be more reliable than aftermaket you could also pick up a ca18det for around 1,000 or even cheaper since they use the same tranny so you can buy just the engine and electronics 180hp
if you do get an sr get it with tranny and don't make my mistake they are the same tranny but different bell housing as the ka so if you have a 5 speed keep it to the side incase it does go out.
ca or sr would be the easiest the rb25 is great but can't hardly argue with an American v8 depends on whether or not you want to keep it all Nissan and how much work you wanna get into.
I'd imagine the ls1 being much pricier to install initially with little benefits in stock form
on the other hand depending on how much you want to build up the motor it could be cheaper in the long run the rb family is expensive to maintain and build
well my budget for this car is $4000 could a ka24e w/turbo push more horespower than an ls1 v8 and what would i have to do if i did put the rb in my car ????? more work??
The only place for the ka24e is the trash its an excellent motor for daily driving and last forever but its too expensive it anywhere near other engines.
Go with the sr20det on that budget
besides I never heard of anyone doing a turn key turbo for $2,000 and it lasting very long the engine should have oil jets added and all the internals gutted for Turbo.
Uou can easily buy cams pistons etc for the sr20det its just a more capable engine than the ka24e too If u see them side by side u see y
Bro, ka24 is trash? Join some 240 forums.... its chesaper than an sr....you blow a KA, darn, just take a trip to the junkyard...if you blow a sr haha, there goes your money. 2.4L>2.0L always, especially now that the KA-T builds are getting popular, lots of parts for them now.
LS1 came in Camaro, Trans ams (firebird v8), Corvettes and G.T.O.
They maybe hard to find I don't tend to see them but they were just the latest and greatest 350 chevy
the nice thing about rwds like the 240sx is the possibilities are endless.
If your looking only upto 300-350hp I would highly recomend the sr20det consider this they easily take 500hp on stock internals and block and have 205-250hp stock well built ones take 800hp they also wieght more made out of aluminum than the KA
Besides that the KA24 is based on the L20 from 1965 which is a 2.0L it was later strocked out to 2.4L so why use a 1965 based engine when you can get one based in the 90s?
Infact the 2.0L L20 is so similar that you can use the head of the ka and just get a custom timing chain. the ka24de was just a copy of the sr20de
So your argument is a fail from every point.
Try knowing what your talking about.
Besides MoosyGoosy isn't building his own engine so a sr20det is much cheaper
theres been alot of people take them up into the 500s with stock internals or so they claim.
I wouldn't anyways but the point is they are more capable than the KA24 because they are built more for performance from factory. The KA is a truck motor in everywhere in the world built to be rugged and reliable even though it had that timming chain tensioner issue its a great engine.
The SR was built with being responsive and high HP in mind from the begging it's Nissan's performance i4 block
Yea well doubling the HP on any engine I'd change the internals but I build motors myself so...
Its kinda like people say the stock r200 LSD diff IRS can take 1000hp that maybe so but I would rebuild it and put higher grade parts axles etc. if I was putting down 500hp.
the KA was in Japan though it was just in "Dautsans" which are the little nissan trucks. They have a variety of engines gasoline and diesel lolz
If your building a ka24de-t and know how to build engines your self and know someone who can tune the ecu its gonna be much cheaper than a sr20 but still a much weaker engine and not as reliable or responsive but maybe have more torque it won't have coil pack packs either which help a great deal in response, mpg, reliablity etc.
I have two ka24de laying around I could build them but I would rather have a sr20det if you love the ka24 come get them one has 150k the other 198k miles running
Lol if your worried about mpg, then I wouldn't build ANY engine period...Ka24 is better, throttle response is all in the tune and with uprgraded wires and distributor....thats all. Theres plenty of vids of ka24det's putting down 500whp on stock internals. Its all in the tune my friend.
and no dumb ass coil packs beat distributor anyday the N/A SR has distributor most people who really build a KA-T go with coil packs thats why there are kits for it. and nobody puts 500whp on stock internals of a KA maybe a stock crank but pistons and rods must be changed. Its not that big a deal but besides that the SR has lighter internals flywheel etc.
quite bull shitting and go sit them side by side see what I mean
you - " not as reliable or responsive but maybe have more torque it won't have coil pack packs either which help a great deal in response, mpg, reliablity etc."
Never said coil packs were worse, but go to ka-t(dot)org and you can see plenty still use distributors. And yes there are 500whp ka's on stock bottom end. Look it up on here or go to streetfire(dot)net, if you want me to send you link I can, just message me.
ka24de vs sr20(n/a) the ka24 is more powerful. Then when you boost a ka with the same turbo as a sr, 7psi on ka>7psi on sr20det. KA is more powerful, then if you have ka24det(built) vs sr20det(built), ka is more powerful still.....if you like less horsepower and less torque, then fine, to each his own.
No the N/A SR makes 5-10 more hp year for year stock. the Stock SR that came in the s14s for example makes 160hp stock and the later models made 175hp stock
besides that if the KA was so much better Nissan wouldn't have when through all the trouble of designing a whole new engine thats something very expensive. the SR makes more power weighs less had lighter internals lighter flywheel making it more responsive as well as coil packs its a smaller engine on a alum block built for perfomance.
Lol. Then tell me why the fastest 240's are KA powered?? and boost for boost, the KA makes more power. Its a fact. I have plenty of sources to show you. w/e, we're gonna get no where. Here's my last statement. SR's are like tampons, every pussy has one. Take care.
u r so wrong dude. N/A SRs never came in a silvia at all. the only engine ever to come in a silvia without a turbo was the KA in the U.S. the only engine to go in the s13-15 was the SR20det. also, A KA with all the same induction parts as an SR will make bigger numbers accross the board at lower RPMs. not that the engine is better, its just Bigger, and gets alot more bang for your buck
I can take a picture of my old car's id tag if you don't believe me its a ps13 with a sr20de
plus I can show you some links of where you can buy one from Japan they are rare but they were available. Most people would rather have a N/A block for building becuase they only have different pistons and you just have to tap and drill for the oil squirts but it has the same crank/rods head etc. as the turbo
now I've never seen a nonturbo rs13 (hatchback 180sx) but I'm sure they exist
O and one more thing the s15 n/a was a red top which confused me when I first saw a s15 with a red top then I noticed it had no turbo then I saw a couple more of them. all of which were in Japan.
Damn dude dont cry about it. fuckin throwin a fit. actually i looked it up and yes the SRDE did come in the 180sx, but didnt make numbers like the KA. only 140 HP
I'm not throwing a fit about it. I was just informed you.
And if you read my earlier comment I said the s14 SR it had 160hp and the s15 had 175hp learn how to read dumb ass.
and the s13 sr20de from a silvia made more than 140hp I never seen one in a 180sx but I'd assume it was the same as the ps13 and made 150hp
besides that the KA doesn't make the same numbers with the same boost and even if it did theres something called response if I just wanted a drag car I'd drop a v8 in there.
I love how the fact that were never goin to meet makes you all ballsy and brave to cal people names, but whatever. ur cool.. but ne way. just because you sat that the SR20DE makes 175 hp doesnt make it true. and ok. the KA on the same boost will respond faster than the SR because of greater air volume to the turbine housing. not to mention that the torque is a whole lot higher, which is makes the KA the faster engine. torque is everything
If thats true then tell me this the RB30 is the same block as the RB20 RB25 and RB26 how come did Nissan use the 2.6L for the GTR and not a 3.0L?
Smaller engine means more responsive. Why drop all the money it would take to get a KA to go down the drag strip when you could put a v8. I didn't buy a 240sx just to drag race.
Do you even get what responsiveness means in racing. The KA the other dude is talking about is stroked to a 2.6L which is quite possible to do that to a SR
Again your not getting what "more responsive" means neither did Viper and what part of I didn't buy a 240sx to drag didn't you get??
A Supra may beat a Skyline in the quarter although not really there are equally fast RBs
When was the last time you seen a supra beat a GTR or even just a Skyline to take AWD outta the equation on a road course even SRs eat Supras on road courses I know part of that is suspension
And why would the KA put more air in the turbine housing?
The only thing I can think of what you mean is the KA having more volume per cylinder would = more gas in the turbo which isn't true at all and even if it was why would that make ti make more power at = PSI
If someone instaled a turbo on a KA and it puts out equal PSI to a SR its probably would put more power because they probably also did other upgrades via cam or porting or they are running a better intake, pluming etc.
OEM is a compromise between reliability, comfort, and performance
im sorry but the ka has almost same amount of tq(stock) as the sr(stock turbo and everything) so if the ka is to have a bolt on turbo kit it will be faster then the sr. And for all i know most people swap the ka to a sr because they want to drift. Thats what the sr is good and the ka is better in straight line, since it has better tq curve.
The KA still isn't good for a strait line its heavier and weaker than the SR.
if you have them out side by side you can see how shitty made the KA is compared to the SR. Sure it last at 150hp but it can't take 400hp without sleeving. the SR can take that on stock internals.
SR was built ground up like a performance engine. So was the KA but it was designed in the 60s not the 90s Its basically the same engine as the L20 to the point the heads interchange.
@arabrockerman Stock internal ka24de-t built holding 20psi at about 400WHP and no issues. you're comparing a cast iron block that's bigger than the SR to an aluminum block. sure the SR is a factory race engine, but the KA is built and used in a truck. it can handle abuse and it's able to make closer to 650hp before sleeving.
mine is currently bored .020" over and it has OEM oversize pistons, stock crank, re-manufactured head, stock rods, stock cams. nothing special. just know how to tune!
no closer to around 350hp before they explode if they aren't sleeved so quite bull shitting they have thin walls if you bored yours .020 over then its not gonna take 20psi on that block for too long.
rods and crank I believe they can take the power.
But tear the too engines down put them side by side and no arguing the sr20 is better built in about every aspect.
@arabrockerman wow someone hasn't seen the 7 second Import DPS KA. 1000+whp with no sleeving over 40psi. They're now attempting to sleeve it and run upwards of 50psi.
KA is about to steal the production 4 cylinder record from the 4g63
@arabrockerman The KA is NOT a 60's design. Quit talking like you know what the fuck you are saying.
The KA was NOT built for performance at all. It was designed and built for the first time in 88 to go into the 89 production of the 240, Hardbody, pathfinder and stanza.
I'll be happy to trash my KA in my new car in favor of a SR. Even if I slapped on a turbo and changed to forged pistons and used coils vs distributor. I'd rather have the SR stroked than the KA.
I've had a total of 1 sr20se 2 sr20det 2 ka24de and a ka24e
So each to his own but SR is just way better ground up. Give me a choice between a stock SR non turbo or a KA to build up and I'd take the SR any day.
And now your going to tell me what a sr20de makes when you didn't even know they existed? You don't have to believe me look it up see what a "red top" in a S15 is you will see a non turbo 175hp sr.
a notch top from a s14 puts down 160hp.
and the varible valve version that comes in the X-trail SUV puts down 180hp N/A and 280hp turbo but I believe a fwd block since its sideways.
I know what I'm talking about here what you stated about the KA has NO logic. go take a thermodynamics course
lol. more air equals more power doesnt have logic? I didnt say that SR20s didnt exist, I told you you were right about where they went. what Im saying is that theres no replacement for displacement no matter what you say. you should know that as an engineer, and as a matter of fact since you are indeed an engineer you should understand that the KA having more room for air will make more power than a smaller engine under the same circumstances.
Us = Ka24de JDM =sr20det. How about you read what i wrote. I said the fastest 240's are all ka24 powered then I specified who I was comparing between, us engine and jdm engine.
@moosygoosy if u never did ur build i can tell u from expereience its not exspensive at all. with a lil head work, forged pistons(no bore) w/ stock rods, and a used ebay knife edged crank, t3/t4 turbo small afc neo tune only @ 12psi i put down 295hp. Raced my friends sr beat him 10 for 10.( he has a bigger turbo but lowered his psi from 15 to 12) <<we both went to 15 beat him still!! So I later bored built another block bored .20 over, upgraded fuel n air input, and turbo an sat at 386lb!
Hey man I would like to know were you got everything to turbo your KA because i have a 92 240 that i want to turbo but i dont know were to look for all the stuff
hey, in my opinion( if you live in canada) an sr20 goes for about 2300 bucks, plus installation. Sr20 are knowen to come to canada rotten so, i would swap that ka24e for a de. call up a wrecking yard, and make them a offer on a lightly used ka24de with trade on your ka24e. Turbo kits run around 2500 to 3500 and you'll have more torque and durability then the sr. Plus if your sr breaks down GL finding parts. if your ka breaks down. Go find a nissan truck with a 4cyl in it. GL with your 240.
thats just for turbo. then you have to buy intercooler, piping, exhaust manifold, boost controller, injectors, and all that extra shit. and the gt35 doesnt spool the best on a ka
"VTECBOI18" just because a GT35 turbo is a huge turbo and probably gives a huge amount of boost... that doesnt mean its the best turbo to put in... a T25 is the stock and safest turbo to put on a stock KA... with a 35 u should probably do a rebuild on the KA first bfor running 20psi of boost
lol true i mean i still like hondas but fwd will go so far,but i'm swapping a vh45de into the Z, i did think about the tt swap but i wanna do something else.
thats wayy too much lol plus the vh45de is lighter then the rb or vg engines, the specs say it has 278 hp but mostly everyone says u might as well say it has 300 hp na, plus ill have great torque without the need for a turbo or supercharger ,but i would like to add a 100 shot of nos to it.
SHIT, if u add a 100 shot of nitrous, u might as well put "im a ricer" sticker on ur bumper... Turbo is better cuz u get constant boost and u could tune it to get more... but with NAWZ it only gives u 10sec of boost and only one try...
like u said u chose the 300zx for that extra sport(drifting) and with a shot of NAWZ, u wont get anywhere, unless all u do is drag
lmfao nawz the nawz would only be used on a last resort thing,but u are right but i might have to run it na for a while for one, since its a new swap and for the most turbo setups are custom and i don't have a endless amount of money for the swap, so i might just run it na for a while ,have u seen vids of a vh in a 300z yet?
LAST RESORT, u act like ur in the fast and the furious... u dont neew to break in thos engines bcuz they arent brand new in the first place... i just found out my ka is basically running on 2 cylinders so im gunna buy a NEWER ka rebuild and turbo it...
and custum exhaust manifolds dont cost that much... and u dont need to get a gt40 or something... u dont even need to go TT...
lol well ill have to look more into turbing it then i wanted to do that in the first place but from what iv been hearing is u have to put the turbos in the rear but i gotta look more into it
the driver cant do shit without the right tuning!!! Tuning can be the difference between 500 and 600hp... and each horse counts... if ur fuel injected the AFR is ur most important tuning factor... if ur too lean ur burning up ur cylinders and have a potential of catastrophic failure like MELTED pistons!!!... if ur too running rich ur wasting gas and arent getting full power...
ya but without the driver the car wouldn't be shit too i mean if u can drive then u can drive the car to its limits and beyond but to me both are very important
the ecu iv hurd people been using the stock ones, and can get the engine at any junkyard and it should cost around 600 bucks and ,i'm not sure if its either a efi or carb iv still got alot to learn about the engine and the swap its self.
alright... do u have some pics of the car? i just got a new bumper and am sanding and painting soon... im planning on keeping the 180sx look but dont want 18" rims and to be 1" off the ground...
wat are ur plans for looks? and wat have u done to it already?
na i don't have any pictures yet its stock for now, i haven't got any money to add parts lol i'm just happy to have the car, and i like all the looks i get in it lol,but look wise i want either jdm 99 spec front with the jdm headlight and taillights or either the escort front with the jdm headlights and tails,with 18 inch advan rs in a darker chrome color, with black calipers and the color of the car is gonna be that midnight purple that the r33 gtr came in.
Swap in a KA24DE (the dual cam one) and turbo it. However, turboing a ka might cost more then swapping in an sr. Depends on your budget. If I had say $5,000 I'd definitely go for the KA-T cause of torque and it's a stronger engine. Iron block ftw!
sr's are TOO over-rated.
EvokDubstep 1 month ago
rb 26 fo sho
s13240sx92 8 months ago
is dat a stock motor....i got one nd wanna turbo it also...any tips...
313stratus 9 months ago
I'm about to start a Ka turbo build, because of the sound when the throttle is released (compressor surge or bov not sure what you have) im naming it the serpent.
Driftingbonnema 9 months ago
The Ka-T is Better than the SR20 all day. Also @ AUto Addictions This is the AEM KA-T That I called about that Needs Retuned for FIC's new 1100H injectors, It had there same Driver and is the same injector except the old ones flowed 1050cc and were matched within 5% , now that they match them within 2.5% they actually flow at 1100cc . So I don't need a New tune, I'm actually De-Tuned currently. I just need a Minor Adjustment to adjust some >SLightly < off AFR
PrentissRacing 1 year ago
lmfao "hell yea" lolz
bmxismine 1 year ago
what does the "10 psi" mean? i have no idea what this refers to
h1tm4n26 1 year ago
@h1tm4n26 it means he using 10 Pounds per Square Inch of BOOST! The more boost or "psi" means your forcing more air into the intake manifold meaning you need more fire (spark plugs and ignition system) and you need more fuel (high output fuel pump and larger injectors with some type of fuel management system) and all that equals more torque and more POWER. So more "PSI" or BOOST means more Horsepower
TRILLGATES2K6 1 year ago
@DjGhostPrizrak u must be fucking retarded.
spyderhex 1 year ago
bov spring needs to be stiffer?
Devinthedude31594 1 year ago
Stock Rb is good up to almost 500hp with stock internals, it will crush the sr20 and ka
NissanRacer87 1 year ago
@NissanRacer87 naw shit its a fuckin I6 ,, not even in the same catagory boy..
McOrca09 1 year ago
Rb26 is king of all nissan motors
NissanRacer87 1 year ago
@NissanRacer87 yeah but w/o funds its a an expensive weight on the nose of ur car
tboy4u2c 1 year ago
if you fuckers want torque ,stay with the ka24de FTW
brysonanzai1991 1 year ago 2
arabrockerman. your an idiot.
rieder555 1 year ago
@rieder555 yes he is!!
tboy4u2c 1 year ago
Any engine is going to b badass if u have the money to put in it
NeeziiBabez 1 year ago 2
OK, to attempt to clear up some of the nonsense that has been posted here... the KA24DE comes stock with 155 horsepower, the sr20det comes stock with around 205, depending on which version you get. The KA produces more torque (in relation to hp) because of its longer stroke, but the SR can rev higher because the stroke is shorter. To some of the SR fanbois: the KA will make AT LEAST 205 HP with a t25 and some supporting parts (<$1000, if you get the t25 used from an sr20) and have more torque.
chugpuppy 2 years ago 19
@chugpuppy BUMP that. SR's only real advantage is weight.... theres no replacement for displacement boys
not to mention all the interals on the KA24DE are forged, so if your engine is solid there no need to replace anything if you stay under 300hp.
skanknstein13 8 months ago
@skanknstein13 the ka24de internals are not forged, its ka24e is suppost to have forged rods, but i cant find anywhere that states the pistons and rods on my ka24de are forgeds... i guess if i thought your statement was true i wouldnt have bought forged eagle rods and wiesco pistons.
supraman121 4 months ago
there both good motors everyone shut up lol, just get a rb =p
wes0014 2 years ago 17
@arabrockerman
The ka is stock with 165 Hp @ 4400 rpm dual cam.+the ka's block can hold 750 base hp
R1KILLER25 2 years ago
sick as hell... I'm diggin the deep dish rims too
Lkjbl 2 years ago
i love deep dish
burn21991 2 years ago
Those are SSR wheels....And Smokey dosent endorse this video. This would have to be a twin turbo V8 or a V12 in a Supra to get Smokey excited.
killersushi99 2 years ago
Those are the Fast octane wheels.
DarkForceS13 2 years ago
fuck smokey
50N1C800M 2 years ago
lol wow you clearly don't know anything about wheels. the wheels on the car in the video are crappy $400 sportmax 962. kids talkin on yootoobe like they know what they is talkin bout shieeeeeeeet
InSorteDiabolii 2 years ago 2
What kinds of rims are these??? Pleeease do tell
Hooning4Life 2 years ago
What kind of rims are on there??
And who cares what car is faster its a NIssan and that's all that matters sr ka qr vq who cares. I drive a 240sx with a ka. I don't hate on any other motor. If my shit came with an sr than dam i would drift with that two. KA = Torque
91rms13fastback 2 years ago
Amen to that my friend... So true...
pirat024 2 years ago
lol u guys are funny ka-t all the way hahaha
180sxslider 2 years ago
i would choose a ka24de over a sr20 because ka's are cast iron and sr's are aluminum,aluminum can warp easier . correct me if im wrong.
3rdgenfbodykid10 2 years ago
why would it warp? If you overheat your engine you should machine the block reguardless if your putting out high hp or you just want the engine to last long after.
Besides both have aluminum heads
arabrockerman 2 years ago
disappointing dyno vid, I was hoping to see some numbers.. but they were on a bad clutch, c'mon! He's probably around 250whp maybe a few more :D
wag8912 2 years ago
does anyone know how much it cost's to put turbo into an 1990 ka24e sohc parts & labour
moosygoosy 2 years ago
id say around 2 grand
jdjs8987 2 years ago
thanks
moosygoosy 2 years ago
same price as getting a much more reliable sr20det i mean factory turbo setup ecu tune etc vs is almost always gonna be more reliable than aftermaket you could also pick up a ca18det for around 1,000 or even cheaper since they use the same tranny so you can buy just the engine and electronics 180hp
if you do get an sr get it with tranny and don't make my mistake they are the same tranny but different bell housing as the ka so if you have a 5 speed keep it to the side incase it does go out.
arabrockerman 2 years ago
ok thanks whats better rb25det or someone told me about an ls1 motor which im pretty sure was in the firebirds
moosygoosy 2 years ago
depends on your taste.
ca or sr would be the easiest the rb25 is great but can't hardly argue with an American v8 depends on whether or not you want to keep it all Nissan and how much work you wanna get into.
I'd imagine the ls1 being much pricier to install initially with little benefits in stock form
on the other hand depending on how much you want to build up the motor it could be cheaper in the long run the rb family is expensive to maintain and build
arabrockerman 2 years ago
well my budget for this car is $4000 could a ka24e w/turbo push more horespower than an ls1 v8 and what would i have to do if i did put the rb in my car ????? more work??
moosygoosy 2 years ago
The only place for the ka24e is the trash its an excellent motor for daily driving and last forever but its too expensive it anywhere near other engines.
Go with the sr20det on that budget
besides I never heard of anyone doing a turn key turbo for $2,000 and it lasting very long the engine should have oil jets added and all the internals gutted for Turbo.
Uou can easily buy cams pistons etc for the sr20det its just a more capable engine than the ka24e too If u see them side by side u see y
arabrockerman 2 years ago
Bro, ka24 is trash? Join some 240 forums.... its chesaper than an sr....you blow a KA, darn, just take a trip to the junkyard...if you blow a sr haha, there goes your money. 2.4L>2.0L always, especially now that the KA-T builds are getting popular, lots of parts for them now.
ViperGTr335 2 years ago
Shut the fuck up you don't know shit
the sr has a stronger block its made out of aluminum and is as heavy as the cast iron 2.4 block simply because its build to take more.
They take 500hp on the stock block YOU go do some research and 400hp with stock internals.
They got a smaller flywheel and lighter internals to be more responsive than the 2.4L
The 2.4L was Nissan was made to be practical good mpg and reliable its ok but the sr was nissan's high performance block and much better suited.
arabrockerman 2 years ago
LS1 came in Camaro, Trans ams (firebird v8), Corvettes and G.T.O.
They maybe hard to find I don't tend to see them but they were just the latest and greatest 350 chevy
the nice thing about rwds like the 240sx is the possibilities are endless.
If your looking only upto 300-350hp I would highly recomend the sr20det consider this they easily take 500hp on stock internals and block and have 205-250hp stock well built ones take 800hp they also wieght more made out of aluminum than the KA
arabrockerman 2 years ago
Lol they don't take 500hp on stock block. Join Zilvia or Nicoclub and do some research, tool. You don't know much. Go to Ka-t(dot)org also.
ViperGTr335 2 years ago
Besides that the KA24 is based on the L20 from 1965 which is a 2.0L it was later strocked out to 2.4L so why use a 1965 based engine when you can get one based in the 90s?
Infact the 2.0L L20 is so similar that you can use the head of the ka and just get a custom timing chain. the ka24de was just a copy of the sr20de
So your argument is a fail from every point.
Try knowing what your talking about.
Besides MoosyGoosy isn't building his own engine so a sr20det is much cheaper
arabrockerman 2 years ago
Stock SR's are good for 400....not 500
jaindls 2 years ago
theres been alot of people take them up into the 500s with stock internals or so they claim.
I wouldn't anyways but the point is they are more capable than the KA24 because they are built more for performance from factory. The KA is a truck motor in everywhere in the world built to be rugged and reliable even though it had that timming chain tensioner issue its a great engine.
The SR was built with being responsive and high HP in mind from the begging it's Nissan's performance i4 block
arabrockerman 2 years ago
Yeah, but they break down soon after, I'm not hating at all trust me, I have an SR. But yeah you are right pretty much.
jaindls 2 years ago
Yea well doubling the HP on any engine I'd change the internals but I build motors myself so...
Its kinda like people say the stock r200 LSD diff IRS can take 1000hp that maybe so but I would rebuild it and put higher grade parts axles etc. if I was putting down 500hp.
the KA was in Japan though it was just in "Dautsans" which are the little nissan trucks. They have a variety of engines gasoline and diesel lolz
but thats totally unreletive.
arabrockerman 2 years ago
Yeah, I was talking to that guy about JDM 240's (which are obviously not 240's haha) don't have KA's
jaindls 2 years ago
Why would you downgrade to less displacement? The fastest 240's are all KA powered(240 with US engine or jdm)
ViperGTr335 2 years ago
If your building a ka24de-t and know how to build engines your self and know someone who can tune the ecu its gonna be much cheaper than a sr20 but still a much weaker engine and not as reliable or responsive but maybe have more torque it won't have coil pack packs either which help a great deal in response, mpg, reliablity etc.
I have two ka24de laying around I could build them but I would rather have a sr20det if you love the ka24 come get them one has 150k the other 198k miles running
arabrockerman 2 years ago
Lol if your worried about mpg, then I wouldn't build ANY engine period...Ka24 is better, throttle response is all in the tune and with uprgraded wires and distributor....thats all. Theres plenty of vids of ka24det's putting down 500whp on stock internals. Its all in the tune my friend.
ViperGTr335 2 years ago
When did I say anything about mpg.
and no dumb ass coil packs beat distributor anyday the N/A SR has distributor most people who really build a KA-T go with coil packs thats why there are kits for it. and nobody puts 500whp on stock internals of a KA maybe a stock crank but pistons and rods must be changed. Its not that big a deal but besides that the SR has lighter internals flywheel etc.
quite bull shitting and go sit them side by side see what I mean
arabrockerman 2 years ago
you - " not as reliable or responsive but maybe have more torque it won't have coil pack packs either which help a great deal in response, mpg, reliablity etc."
Never said coil packs were worse, but go to ka-t(dot)org and you can see plenty still use distributors. And yes there are 500whp ka's on stock bottom end. Look it up on here or go to streetfire(dot)net, if you want me to send you link I can, just message me.
ViperGTr335 2 years ago
ok but I'd still have a sr20det anyday. your comparing doubling the HP on an engine to going over 3x on stock internals
besides that the KA is just based on a 60s 2.0L engine the L20 I'd rather have an engine designed for more power and in the 90s
Not to mention why not save the weight you save with an SR plus its a more compact engine allowing it to sit further back balancing the car better.
Bottom line SR>KA but they are both great engines.
arabrockerman 2 years ago
ka24de vs sr20(n/a) the ka24 is more powerful. Then when you boost a ka with the same turbo as a sr, 7psi on ka>7psi on sr20det. KA is more powerful, then if you have ka24det(built) vs sr20det(built), ka is more powerful still.....if you like less horsepower and less torque, then fine, to each his own.
ViperGTr335 2 years ago 2
No the N/A SR makes 5-10 more hp year for year stock. the Stock SR that came in the s14s for example makes 160hp stock and the later models made 175hp stock
besides that if the KA was so much better Nissan wouldn't have when through all the trouble of designing a whole new engine thats something very expensive. the SR makes more power weighs less had lighter internals lighter flywheel making it more responsive as well as coil packs its a smaller engine on a alum block built for perfomance.
arabrockerman 2 years ago
Lol. Then tell me why the fastest 240's are KA powered?? and boost for boost, the KA makes more power. Its a fact. I have plenty of sources to show you. w/e, we're gonna get no where. Here's my last statement. SR's are like tampons, every pussy has one. Take care.
ViperGTr335 2 years ago
u r so wrong dude. N/A SRs never came in a silvia at all. the only engine ever to come in a silvia without a turbo was the KA in the U.S. the only engine to go in the s13-15 was the SR20det. also, A KA with all the same induction parts as an SR will make bigger numbers accross the board at lower RPMs. not that the engine is better, its just Bigger, and gets alot more bang for your buck
LandonCoffey 2 years ago
O really well you want to see mine?
They came in the s13,s14, and s15 you even see them on ebay every once and a while they have a silver top and its painted not natural aluminum
arabrockerman 2 years ago
I can take a picture of my old car's id tag if you don't believe me its a ps13 with a sr20de
plus I can show you some links of where you can buy one from Japan they are rare but they were available. Most people would rather have a N/A block for building becuase they only have different pistons and you just have to tap and drill for the oil squirts but it has the same crank/rods head etc. as the turbo
now I've never seen a nonturbo rs13 (hatchback 180sx) but I'm sure they exist
arabrockerman 2 years ago
O and one more thing the s15 n/a was a red top which confused me when I first saw a s15 with a red top then I noticed it had no turbo then I saw a couple more of them. all of which were in Japan.
arabrockerman 2 years ago
Damn dude dont cry about it. fuckin throwin a fit. actually i looked it up and yes the SRDE did come in the 180sx, but didnt make numbers like the KA. only 140 HP
LandonCoffey 2 years ago
I'm not throwing a fit about it. I was just informed you.
And if you read my earlier comment I said the s14 SR it had 160hp and the s15 had 175hp learn how to read dumb ass.
and the s13 sr20de from a silvia made more than 140hp I never seen one in a 180sx but I'd assume it was the same as the ps13 and made 150hp
besides that the KA doesn't make the same numbers with the same boost and even if it did theres something called response if I just wanted a drag car I'd drop a v8 in there.
arabrockerman 2 years ago
I love how the fact that were never goin to meet makes you all ballsy and brave to cal people names, but whatever. ur cool.. but ne way. just because you sat that the SR20DE makes 175 hp doesnt make it true. and ok. the KA on the same boost will respond faster than the SR because of greater air volume to the turbine housing. not to mention that the torque is a whole lot higher, which is makes the KA the faster engine. torque is everything
LandonCoffey 2 years ago
If thats true then tell me this the RB30 is the same block as the RB20 RB25 and RB26 how come did Nissan use the 2.6L for the GTR and not a 3.0L?
Smaller engine means more responsive. Why drop all the money it would take to get a KA to go down the drag strip when you could put a v8. I didn't buy a 240sx just to drag race.
Do you even get what responsiveness means in racing. The KA the other dude is talking about is stroked to a 2.6L which is quite possible to do that to a SR
arabrockerman 2 years ago
if thats so then why does a Supra eat a Skyline for luch?
LandonCoffey 2 years ago
Again your not getting what "more responsive" means neither did Viper and what part of I didn't buy a 240sx to drag didn't you get??
A Supra may beat a Skyline in the quarter although not really there are equally fast RBs
When was the last time you seen a supra beat a GTR or even just a Skyline to take AWD outta the equation on a road course even SRs eat Supras on road courses I know part of that is suspension
And why would the KA put more air in the turbine housing?
arabrockerman 2 years ago
The only thing I can think of what you mean is the KA having more volume per cylinder would = more gas in the turbo which isn't true at all and even if it was why would that make ti make more power at = PSI
If someone instaled a turbo on a KA and it puts out equal PSI to a SR its probably would put more power because they probably also did other upgrades via cam or porting or they are running a better intake, pluming etc.
OEM is a compromise between reliability, comfort, and performance
arabrockerman 2 years ago
@arabrockerman
im sorry but the ka has almost same amount of tq(stock) as the sr(stock turbo and everything) so if the ka is to have a bolt on turbo kit it will be faster then the sr. And for all i know most people swap the ka to a sr because they want to drift. Thats what the sr is good and the ka is better in straight line, since it has better tq curve.
f4def09 2 years ago
The KA still isn't good for a strait line its heavier and weaker than the SR.
if you have them out side by side you can see how shitty made the KA is compared to the SR. Sure it last at 150hp but it can't take 400hp without sleeving. the SR can take that on stock internals.
SR was built ground up like a performance engine. So was the KA but it was designed in the 60s not the 90s Its basically the same engine as the L20 to the point the heads interchange.
arabrockerman 2 years ago
@arabrockerman Stock internal ka24de-t built holding 20psi at about 400WHP and no issues. you're comparing a cast iron block that's bigger than the SR to an aluminum block. sure the SR is a factory race engine, but the KA is built and used in a truck. it can handle abuse and it's able to make closer to 650hp before sleeving.
mine is currently bored .020" over and it has OEM oversize pistons, stock crank, re-manufactured head, stock rods, stock cams. nothing special. just know how to tune!
enti7y 2 years ago
no closer to around 350hp before they explode if they aren't sleeved so quite bull shitting they have thin walls if you bored yours .020 over then its not gonna take 20psi on that block for too long.
rods and crank I believe they can take the power.
But tear the too engines down put them side by side and no arguing the sr20 is better built in about every aspect.
arabrockerman 2 years ago
@arabrockerman wow someone hasn't seen the 7 second Import DPS KA. 1000+whp with no sleeving over 40psi. They're now attempting to sleeve it and run upwards of 50psi.
KA is about to steal the production 4 cylinder record from the 4g63
Lycanthrobby 1 year ago
@arabrockerman The KA is NOT a 60's design. Quit talking like you know what the fuck you are saying.
The KA was NOT built for performance at all. It was designed and built for the first time in 88 to go into the 89 production of the 240, Hardbody, pathfinder and stanza.
kouki180 2 years ago
The KA is basically the L20 which was made in the 60s the heads interchange even its a direct shoe in for the dautsan roadster.
And it was originally a performance engine back when it was impressive to put 150hp on a 2.0L
sr20 is just a superior engine anyone who has been around both engines can agree EVERYTHING in the SR is better built
arabrockerman 2 years ago
better build but, not better performance take the turbo off the sr and make it enigne vs. engine everyone knows the ka will win
x0NISSAN0x 2 years ago
I'll be happy to trash my KA in my new car in favor of a SR. Even if I slapped on a turbo and changed to forged pistons and used coils vs distributor. I'd rather have the SR stroked than the KA.
I've had a total of 1 sr20se 2 sr20det 2 ka24de and a ka24e
So each to his own but SR is just way better ground up. Give me a choice between a stock SR non turbo or a KA to build up and I'd take the SR any day.
arabrockerman 2 years ago
And now your going to tell me what a sr20de makes when you didn't even know they existed? You don't have to believe me look it up see what a "red top" in a S15 is you will see a non turbo 175hp sr.
a notch top from a s14 puts down 160hp.
and the varible valve version that comes in the X-trail SUV puts down 180hp N/A and 280hp turbo but I believe a fwd block since its sideways.
I know what I'm talking about here what you stated about the KA has NO logic. go take a thermodynamics course
arabrockerman 2 years ago
lol. more air equals more power doesnt have logic? I didnt say that SR20s didnt exist, I told you you were right about where they went. what Im saying is that theres no replacement for displacement no matter what you say. you should know that as an engineer, and as a matter of fact since you are indeed an engineer you should understand that the KA having more room for air will make more power than a smaller engine under the same circumstances.
LandonCoffey 2 years ago
WHAT? JDM? That's japan dude, KA was only in america. Learn some shit before talking it
jaindls 2 years ago
Us = Ka24de JDM =sr20det. How about you read what i wrote. I said the fastest 240's are all ka24 powered then I specified who I was comparing between, us engine and jdm engine.
ViperGTr335 2 years ago
@moosygoosy if u never did ur build i can tell u from expereience its not exspensive at all. with a lil head work, forged pistons(no bore) w/ stock rods, and a used ebay knife edged crank, t3/t4 turbo small afc neo tune only @ 12psi i put down 295hp. Raced my friends sr beat him 10 for 10.( he has a bigger turbo but lowered his psi from 15 to 12) <<we both went to 15 beat him still!! So I later bored built another block bored .20 over, upgraded fuel n air input, and turbo an sat at 386lb!
tboy4u2c 1 year ago
@tboy4u2c 8 grand and another 1,200$ for some AEM EMS and you can make 460 wtq out of a KA-T on a T3 Gerrott .60 ar (the SUper 60) :)
PrentissRacing 1 year ago
I bet he put down good numbers too
J90lude 2 years ago
wat engine does da stock s13 come with
erre12081 2 years ago
Ka24de 91+ or the sr20det in japan, ca18det in uk i think?
waxball88 2 years ago
in japan, the 89 & 90 come with the ca18det and the 91 - 94 is equipped with the sr20det redtop. The 95-98: sr20det blacktop
The american 240sx s13 came with the ka24 single cam and dohc
shroom3r14 2 years ago
Yeah the 91+'s came with dohc
waxball88 2 years ago
ka24de or ka24e
Haloman187 2 years ago
89 AND 90: ka24e (sohc)
91 thru 98: ka24de (dohc) (including the s14 240sx)
shroom3r14 2 years ago
ka24de
anth187 2 years ago
im kinda looking for a car,
i have an intrest in the following
1990 nissan 240sx
any jettas
honda civic si or ex or whatever
and integras soo if you guys who know alot could help me thanks :)
DrobertsPB 2 years ago
well what do you wanna do with it?
Lkjbl 2 years ago
Ratwithshotgun means we don't know what type of turbo it is just by hearing it.
SoNotKamina 2 years ago
What turbo is that?
Haloman187 2 years ago
we can tell by hearing it....lol noob
Ratwithshotgun 2 years ago
how is he a noob for asking what kind of turbo?
DSMDriver69 2 years ago
cant tell by hearing it, and how does that make me a noob? Please do tell. Smart ass
Haloman187 2 years ago
ive seen this car in action drifting and it fuckin roasts them tires
adamsackrider1 2 years ago
Hey man I would like to know were you got everything to turbo your KA because i have a 92 240 that i want to turbo but i dont know were to look for all the stuff
Snake820 2 years ago
Ebay, forums, craigslist, and hookups :)
punkrboi 2 years ago
Why do people flip out when they here compressor surge?
Fuck it. Garrett has buy back gaurantee on gt35r turbos anyway....... Bad ass car! Do what you do. Let the hate fanclub be jealous of your win.
terribleoneprimopro 2 years ago
AAhh. I've been there with my Z32... I could barely leave my driveway with my clutch slipping before I replaced it...
travass087 3 years ago
fuck man if ur gonna put a dyno video on youtube atleast put the damn numbers on here!
FcMURDA 3 years ago 2
damn! nice Nissan bro
Hey how much power 2 the wheels do u have?
peace
73chevy350
& i drive a 96 Maxima
73chevy350 3 years ago
hope you dont mind burning through turbo's like crazy
nickg421 3 years ago 2
compressor surge FTW!! get that fixed pal.
ahmonrah40 3 years ago 2
what happened?? it sound like he's going from 2nd 2 4th...what turbo does it run on??
Gangsta4life973 3 years ago
nice compressor surge
mapeepee 3 years ago
nice compressor surge
mapeepee 3 years ago
It sounds like he's going from 2nd to 4th....What turbo does it run?? Massive lag!!!
vnonjuice 3 years ago
nice tuner.
JonnyTommyGuns 3 years ago
is it spinning tires??!?
nitrousboy0311 3 years ago
hey, in my opinion( if you live in canada) an sr20 goes for about 2300 bucks, plus installation. Sr20 are knowen to come to canada rotten so, i would swap that ka24e for a de. call up a wrecking yard, and make them a offer on a lightly used ka24de with trade on your ka24e. Turbo kits run around 2500 to 3500 and you'll have more torque and durability then the sr. Plus if your sr breaks down GL finding parts. if your ka breaks down. Go find a nissan truck with a 4cyl in it. GL with your 240.
TheShocker1990 3 years ago
u dont have to spend that much for a turbo for a ka ams has gt35 turbos for 975
vtecboi18 3 years ago
thats just for turbo. then you have to buy intercooler, piping, exhaust manifold, boost controller, injectors, and all that extra shit. and the gt35 doesnt spool the best on a ka
whitewidow285 3 years ago
"VTECBOI18" just because a GT35 turbo is a huge turbo and probably gives a huge amount of boost... that doesnt mean its the best turbo to put in... a T25 is the stock and safest turbo to put on a stock KA... with a 35 u should probably do a rebuild on the KA first bfor running 20psi of boost
punkrboi 2 years ago
wow this is a old post i can rember wen i wanted a 240 but i got a na 300zx now big jump from a 240 to a 300zx huh lol
vtecboi18 2 years ago
no, from honda, to 240 to 300zx... wat u gunna do to the 300? TT?
punkrboi 2 years ago
lol true i mean i still like hondas but fwd will go so far,but i'm swapping a vh45de into the Z, i did think about the tt swap but i wanna do something else.
vtecboi18 2 years ago
if u want something different... put a rb26det in that Z... in the end it comes to how much your willing to spend
punkrboi 2 years ago
thats wayy too much lol plus the vh45de is lighter then the rb or vg engines, the specs say it has 278 hp but mostly everyone says u might as well say it has 300 hp na, plus ill have great torque without the need for a turbo or supercharger ,but i would like to add a 100 shot of nos to it.
vtecboi18 2 years ago
SHIT, if u add a 100 shot of nitrous, u might as well put "im a ricer" sticker on ur bumper... Turbo is better cuz u get constant boost and u could tune it to get more... but with NAWZ it only gives u 10sec of boost and only one try...
like u said u chose the 300zx for that extra sport(drifting) and with a shot of NAWZ, u wont get anywhere, unless all u do is drag
so either turbo or nothing at all :)
punkrboi 2 years ago
lmfao nawz the nawz would only be used on a last resort thing,but u are right but i might have to run it na for a while for one, since its a new swap and for the most turbo setups are custom and i don't have a endless amount of money for the swap, so i might just run it na for a while ,have u seen vids of a vh in a 300z yet?
vtecboi18 2 years ago
LAST RESORT, u act like ur in the fast and the furious... u dont neew to break in thos engines bcuz they arent brand new in the first place... i just found out my ka is basically running on 2 cylinders so im gunna buy a NEWER ka rebuild and turbo it...
and custum exhaust manifolds dont cost that much... and u dont need to get a gt40 or something... u dont even need to go TT...
punkrboi 2 years ago
lol well ill have to look more into turbing it then i wanted to do that in the first place but from what iv been hearing is u have to put the turbos in the rear but i gotta look more into it
vtecboi18 2 years ago
it all comes down to tuning tho
punkrboi 2 years ago
tunning and driver
vtecboi18 2 years ago
the driver cant do shit without the right tuning!!! Tuning can be the difference between 500 and 600hp... and each horse counts... if ur fuel injected the AFR is ur most important tuning factor... if ur too lean ur burning up ur cylinders and have a potential of catastrophic failure like MELTED pistons!!!... if ur too running rich ur wasting gas and arent getting full power...
one word for u to keep in mind, WIDEBAND!!!
punkrboi 2 years ago
ya but without the driver the car wouldn't be shit too i mean if u can drive then u can drive the car to its limits and beyond but to me both are very important
vtecboi18 2 years ago
with drag, its all about seconds... but with drifting its mostly about suspension, but power helps;)
is the VH an EFI or carb? cuz ur gunna need to buy a new one
i dont really kno how known a VH swap is but ur gunna need to buy the VH ECU along with the harness...
do u kno where to buy a VH?
punkrboi 2 years ago
the ecu iv hurd people been using the stock ones, and can get the engine at any junkyard and it should cost around 600 bucks and ,i'm not sure if its either a efi or carb iv still got alot to learn about the engine and the swap its self.
vtecboi18 2 years ago
well isnt the VH a 8 cylinder? and the 300zx a 6?
i dunno how a 6 cylinder ecu can control an eight...
and to get more info,make a username w/ nicoclub on the 300zx forum
punkrboi 2 years ago
my bad i meant stock as in the stock vh ecu,yea i'm a member on the nico form and fairladyzx form too
vtecboi18 2 years ago
alright... do u have some pics of the car? i just got a new bumper and am sanding and painting soon... im planning on keeping the 180sx look but dont want 18" rims and to be 1" off the ground...
wat are ur plans for looks? and wat have u done to it already?
punkrboi 2 years ago
na i don't have any pictures yet its stock for now, i haven't got any money to add parts lol i'm just happy to have the car, and i like all the looks i get in it lol,but look wise i want either jdm 99 spec front with the jdm headlight and taillights or either the escort front with the jdm headlights and tails,with 18 inch advan rs in a darker chrome color, with black calipers and the color of the car is gonna be that midnight purple that the r33 gtr came in.
vtecboi18 2 years ago
jdm is always best
punkrboi 2 years ago
hell ya and ima put the stillen type one wing on it too,i have a question u think the 300z looks good with or without a wing?
vtecboi18 2 years ago
well, depending on wat year... the 90's model in my opinion looks better with a wing... but it must be a jdm/oem wing, NOT AFTERMARKET!!!...
ill be rollin a 180sx look... w/ jdm side skirts, rear valances, and a front lip... gunna b sexy
punkrboi 2 years ago
thats the problem i like the stillen wings cause they are not to big they look like they are a oem wing u seen them before right?
vtecboi18 2 years ago
i think that too large... its not like ur gunna reach mach 1 where ur gunna need a wing that big... OEM FTW
punkrboi 2 years ago
ya but the stillen wing is not that big i wish nismo would of did something with the 300z
vtecboi18 2 years ago
any advice for my 240? should i turbo my
ka24e or just go with a sr? need tips thanks
boricuasforu 3 years ago
Swap in a KA24DE (the dual cam one) and turbo it. However, turboing a ka might cost more then swapping in an sr. Depends on your budget. If I had say $5,000 I'd definitely go for the KA-T cause of torque and it's a stronger engine. Iron block ftw!
InSorteDiabolii 3 years ago
superfly pimp videos like this are rare.
jspecjoe 4 years ago
Do you know of any websites or people selling a ka24de? or where to look. i got a 240frame. just need a engine and tranny.
cadishma 4 years ago
sup joe?
Lucass240 4 years ago
itll never be as fast as the BIRD...haha ok...get that bitch back on the dyno with the new clutch!
Lucass240 4 years ago