R136a1 is the most massive known star, with an estimated initial mass of 320 M☉ and current mass of 265 M☉. Colloquially, 'massive' and 'big' both describe, but in the context of physics, they describe different things.
How big something is describes over how much volume its matter is distributed, but in physics, how massive something is describes how much matter it is comprised of.
VY Canis Majoris is the biggest known star, in that it has the largest diameter/volume, but it is not the most massive. In fact, with an estimated initial mass of 30-40 M☉ and current mass of 15-25 M☉, there are dozens of stars known to be far more massive.
The reason it's so big, yet relatively 'light,' i.e. has such low density, is because it's on its last leg. As it runs out of hydrogen to fuse in the core, the decrease in outward force causes it to contract.
The resulting increase in heat shifts the fusion to the hydrogen-rich outer hydrogen-rich outer layers, and the resulting increase in heat and radiation causes them to expand. As more elements are fused and eventually exhausted, the expansion continues.
VY Canis Majoris is large enough to fuse all the way up to iron-56 (iron-52 + He nucleus → Ni-56, which decays first to cobalt–56, then to iron-56).
@blackwiddow20 You seem to say common sense,yet many type of phenomena in the sub-atomic "world" doesn't make sense.Just because you base all your experiences in relative to the macro-level doesn't mean it has to be common sense.The Universe,once you go deeper into it,it tends to deviate even more from everyday reality.
but to try and understand nature, your nature and your environment, no matter how unflattering and terrifying they may be, and use that understanding to your advantage. prayer is a form of magic, a form of schizophrenia, a wishing away of the facts, of the reality. prayer is a form of indirect magic.
not only is pandering to the universe, attempting to bargain with it, win it over with worship, sacrifice, prayer and 'good' works irrational, since the universe is not a person, but a collection of persons, places and things, but it is childish, infantile, effette. what most fail to acknowledge is science and philosophy are masculine activities, it takes guts to face the reality of death and press on, in spite of the apparent absurdity of the universe, to not grovel and cowar fear,
@SecularAstronomer The kalam argument was not my evidence. The kalam argument is the hypothesis by which the evidence best fits. The theories that try to avoid the singularity all use theoretical physics to help the equations work. Theoretical physics that use theoretical numbers plugged into them used to describe a theory to help make it work is circular reasoning. Just saying. Look up the Cosmological Constant. It is one of many aspects of evidence I can point you toward that point to design.
Ptolemy's epicycles got pretty precise, too. Such can be the nature of correction factors. Most correction factors aren't that bad, but the this one seems to be absurdly precise. It's possible that trial number in a multiverse is the answer, but it's more likely that we're simply missing something.
It comes right back to the distinction between exclamation marks and poorly understood question marks.
Aww man.. Stop being stupid. God took seven days to built this shit that we are destructing. Does you really think that he cares about this? Look at the size of the universe. I love god, but somehow, i think that he is takin care of other things now... I dunno. Look at the size of this... He may be creating another civilization now.
what's with all the god talk? are men still so primitive, that when they see very big things, they instinctively anthropomorphize them? i think it's fear, we feel intimidated by big things, so we want to believe there's a force out there bigger than them on our side, that made them just for us. we humanize them, hurricanes and stars, so as to make them nonthreatening. this is a sign of mental weakness. oh, it big, if i pray, sacrifice, worship, maybe it spare me? or it could just be the choir.
@occultologist If evidence points to something then surely it's warrented? Design is where all the science is starting to point to so where does that leave you and your "nothing is bigger than me" attitude? If the universe was designed who do you think designed it? The Kalam hypothesis is the only hypothesis that actually makes sense combined with all the evidence. People who believe in God are not as closed minded as you imply, but we are just mindful of where all the facts are pointing. BOOM!
Yes, point one is definitely "common sense;" i.e. making assumptions from common experience. The problem is that the more closely the universe is examined, the farther it deviates from our experiences on this semi-macroscopic scale we live on. There is nothing "common sense" about pair production, or constant phase velocity of light in a vacuum, or quantum tunneling.
But it gets worse, because all mater or energy we refer to as "coming into existence" doesn't real do so. A chair doesn’t really begin to exist; rather preexisting mater is rearranged into a form such that we begin to call it a chair (this is called creation ex materia). We’ve never actually even observed creation ex nihilo, or know if that’s even coherent.
As for point two, it is unknown as to exactly what that means. The idea that the universe existed as a spatially singular potential can just as easily be thought of a something unlike anything we can conceive of, as it can be thought of as simply “nothing.”
And a singularity isn’t even necessarily how the universe “began;” models such as loop quantum gravity indicate that the universe was small, yet three-dimensional, and a contraction preceded the initial expansion. This makes the peculiarities of quantum vacuums especially relevant.
Further still, some models indicate time strictly “beginning” (notice the failure of language) at the expansion, while others, such as ekpyrotic scenario indicate a pre-expansion progression/existence.
To harken back to point two, even the prospect of a time-initiating expansion from a nothing-esque singularity doesn’t necessarily indicate causality.
The point is that there are many possibilities; that which later formed the modern universe (singularity or not) either came into being, or never did. If it came into being, it was either causal or acausal; same with the initial expansion. If either were causal, it could have been a mind (a deity), or some other unknown cause.
Thus, out of a myriad of possibilities, a deity is but one speculative guess.
The fact is that humans have nothing but speculation when trying to answer question about the universe pre-Plank-time, and they ought not to bend a question mark into an exclamation point.
@blackwiddow20 to your 'hell' with your 'science'. show me the goods, or keep quite. where is your science, where is your data and your GOOD arguments? i'll gladly take you and your support group on any day of the week.
@occultologist In my opinion, 'all the god talk' is to help convert non-christians like yourself to Christianity.
There are many Scientists out there who aren't Christians, yet have claimed that there is a creator responsible for these creations. It makes sense, for if 'The Big Bang' did occur (even though it didn't), then what created that?
But whether you like it or not, Jesus Christ has created these beautiful giants, and yet so many of you deny it. To me, that's fear.
i don't think the big bang necessitates a creator. perhaps space oscillates between expansion and contraction, expasion resulting in a big freeze, contraction resulting in a big crunch/bang, or maybe the big crunch/bang only occurred once, was the result of space contracting, or maybe nothing created the big bang, maybe it just happend, what created god, who well he is self generating, well the big bang may be self generating.
@JeSeij maybe the big bang was the result of two giants throwing bowling balls together, why assume god, or a single omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god? because it comforts you, and those like you, you don't want to live in a inhuman universe, because you're weak and cowardly, you despise truth and you love the lie. that's ok, that doesn't bother me, but i refuse to buy your bullshit, i will require some GOOD arguments and data from you first.
@JeSeij No, To believe an "Invisible man, up in the sky, watching down upon everything" is just illogical and stupid. To even assume that a man could be the reason all these things exist is incredibly ignorant and ridiculous. There is much much much much much much more evidence that shows god does not exist than god existing. And the ones who believe he does are stupid. Open your eyes and realize how illogical the theory of god is. (Especially in Christianity.)
@Beelztheawesomegamer Who said God is a 'man'? @occultologist Space oscillating between expansion and contraction? You need an energy field to contain the universes in the multiple universes theory which this theory is from...who created that field of energy then? People always claim that Christians are closed minded but the evidence for design is all around us. Have you ever seen the complexity of molecular machines? They could not have evolved as they need all working parts to work. Design.
@Beelztheawesomegamer Jesus isn't like any other man. His ways are perfect. He is a man of great power and strength. This 'invisible man, up in the sky..' is The King.
I'm not trying to bible bash you here, and say that I'm perfect, because I know that I'm not, but I think all of this God-hating talk is crap. It's interesting to see how many of you critisize him and not some other 'God' made out of stone. You are all so quick to treat him like nothing, it's pathetic.
@JeSeij I can sympathize with your beliefs, i'm perfectly fine with people who's opinions differ from mine. The whole REASON people attack the catholic religion is because they shove their religion in everyone's face more than any other group of people. That's what's truly pathetic. Religion is like a penis, You can have one, but i don't care about yours, i don't want to hear about it or see it. And don't try to shove it down my throat.
@Beelztheawesomegamer Jesus isn't a religion, he is the way, the truth and the light, and you have some nerve to talk the way you do.
But God demands of me to love you anyway, so I'll try not to 'jump down' your throat (even though, in my opinion, I haven't been doing any such thing towards you).
@ianobey11 I appreciative that you accept my opinion. But don't quickly Assume he's real. My beliefs are he doesn't. Yours are he does. The thing is, we'll never know. So what would make more sense is "I believe he's real, and so do many other individuals of the same religion. Yet we all respect your opinion." And i respect your beliefs too.
I certainly know the religious standpoint on the Creation, but what does science say happened? Of course I know about the Big Bang, but did that create just our galaxy, or the entire Universe? Moreover, what caused the Big Bang, and what existed before the genesis explosion? I'm curious to know if science knows the answer to those questions, not that I'm trying to test you. I just want to know what you can tell me about it because I find it very interesting.
@Cereghini Molecular crunches in the un inhabited space that caused an incredible outward release in unlimited energy, propelling waves of pure energy outward at the speed of light to which is still expanding today. Which is why the universe is infinite, because those waves are still moving outward creating everything, and then there's the thought of "What's outside of them?" Which we can assume is non-existence. And there's the theory if one were to travel outside of them, they would not exist
I think that they would only be outside of the PERCIEVED realm of existence, because for all we know, the Universe might end somewhere, and of course we couldn't know what is on the other side. Another plain of existence? Entirely nothing? I don't know any more than the scientists do, but it feels good to think about this stuff because I know that doing so expands my mind out of the norm.
@Cereghini Perhaps. It's a bit of an interesting concept. Since nothing existed before the big bang, The ever expanding universe is still practically the big bang, So outside of the shockwaves, we can assume nothing exist's. Then again, i could be totally wrong. It could very well be another plane of existence, another dimension, realm, etc. But yes, it is definitely health to think of these things. I find the entire universe incredible :)
The pro-nature rants on here are almost as bad as the "how great is God" comments. Both sides are as dogmatic as the other. The true pathway to understanding what the Universe is all about, is to have an open mind, and not to assert that it was either created by a God or that it arose spontaneously by itself.
Much of current physics research points (uncomfortably?) towards an "artificiality" inherent in our Universe. This doesn't have to mean that it was created by God.
"The pro-nature rants on here are almost as bad as the "how great is God" comments. Both sides are as dogmatic as the other."
I haven't read all of the comments, and I have referred to natural forces, but I don't recall reading dogmatic "pro-nature rants" here. Which comments are you referring to?
@agamemnon60 "Much of current physics research points (uncomfortably?) towards an "artificiality" inherent in our Universe. This doesn't have to mean that it was created by God."
artificiality? are you implying that the physics is pointing to some kind of manipulation by an intelligent agency?
i spend quite a bit of time listening to lectures by physicists and this is the first i've ever heard of this. where exactly are you getting your information?
@agamemnon60 Isn't it a bit dogmatic to write "have an open mind and not to assert"? Aren't you basically saying you can't know a truth. Which is fine if that is your opinion, but to suggest that "the true pathway to understanding the Universe" is only found through this open mind is a bit dogmatic as well. Just saying...
I only the weak & vulnerable who cant understand science claim this is the work of a god. Even on our puny planet people beleive in fairy tales of different gods. Get a grip you bible bashing morons....if there is anything behind the universe it is of a higher being than a pathetic god - its called nature and the laws of physics within it.
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth. - Psalm 33:6 ... God is undoubtedly huge. Thank you Louie Giglio.
@kpsbknl333 "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth. - Psalm 33:6 ... God is undoubtedly huge. Thank you Louie Giglio."
who are you thanking? the old men who melted your brain as a child?
a year around vy Canis majoris well ................................. 10,000 years later nooooo the year 4031 almost their ow my back oooooooooooooooo died aaaa bleep almost got the time
Imagine if this monstrosity was a blue hypergiant and imagine the freaking hpernova on that thing and the brightness of it in the night sky ...mindboggling
isnt our universe the most spectacular wonder...created from itself , evolved by itself , to be told it was created by a billy connolly looking guy!.....stop looking in books for a god...look to the stars and stand in awe of reality.
makes you wonder how big would VY Canis Majoris look from earth, you after we get out of it's diameter lol, damn smh god is saying "I'm dissaponted in you, Sun." lls
There are an estimated 200 billion galaxies in the visible universe.
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The milky way alone has an estimated 200 billion stars.
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There are an estimated 1.6 stars bound to each planet (in the Milky Way).
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Very, very, very rough figures based on these estimations suggests there are at least 640 sextillion planets in the universe (640,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). If someone again tells me we are the only life in the universe, I will laugh in their face.
@guilhermegmoreir I saw in another video that if a jet flew at 900km/hr (or something like that), it would take 1100 years to circle VY Canis Majoris ONE TIME. Wrap your brain around THAT! :)
Behold, the nations are like a drop from a bucket and are counted as small dust on the scales; behold, He takes up the isles like a very little thing. (Isaiah 40:15)
initial singularity or quantum fluctuations or the other else proseses...all of them and existence of universe and natural laws and fine tuning of the universe propose the existence of God...the God have been creating all of the process...so the God is greater him made like stars, planets galaxies or the other process
very easily, there is no 'god'. that wasn't difficult at all.
just because your little mind can't imagine the universe we live in not having some kind of supernatural agency fiddling with it and cosmology being beyond you, doesn't mean that whatever bullshit woowoo you believe to actually be the case actually is the case, it just means that you're a brainwashed moron.
@zorafm And how does the "scale of the universe" prove God exists? The size of the universe itself doesn't approve or disapprove the existence of God. I don't see what point you're trying to make.
@superndro and how bad are our eyes at (seeing)we can only see maybe 1/10 of all that is there ,and all the unvierse is but a thought in the mind of god
@SweetZombiJesus brother, i say to you that this earth cannot exists without sun, because from sun's energy we can take energy for fotosintesis. and if you say GOD only exists in earth, so who can handle the sun and all universe?
The same GOD can be exists in univese and in your heart. He is Jesus.
"[And] if you say GOD only exists in earth, so who can handle the sun and all universe?"
The universe's consistent nature (the description of which are called physical laws) is quite sufficient in 'handling' the existence and behavior of stars, planets, and everything else.
@beel919 The sun does not need to be handled, there are natural forces like gravity that do some of that, and even then, the universe is actually full of chaotic, destructive forces that points towards no one "handling" them. Our planet just happens to be at the right distance from our sun, and has the right revolution, to support life. Just like on other planets, most likely.
allah is the creator and the sustainer off all we see and we do not see. hu allahhu lazi la ilaha illa alla hua alimul ghaibi wa shahadah -He is Allah: there is no god to be worshiped but He; the Knower of the unseen and the manifest, He is the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate.-
Follow him ! take out your cross. if you follow him. you can't be held from being a muslim. and that is the salvation in the world and akhirah - ahmed deedat
Your proselytizing comment is solely comprised of 6 bare assertions with no supporting argumentation. Please take your distraction from the content of this video elsewhere.
@SecularAstronomer Astounding, videos like these still amaze me every time I see them, thank you so much for sharing all of this content with us, oh and sorry for all of the religious nuts giving you trouble on your comment pages. Thanks again there is nothing more interesting to me, i'm considering astronomy as a career, i just don't know where to start.
It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
@SecularAstronomer Yeah as Arabs we know that google translate is bad since we've tried it the guy meant that like as in he's praising God for his strength and mightiness but what did u mean?
By writing ‘Subhan'Allah,’ bacteria951 either meant ‘God is glorious’ or ’glory to God.’
To which I responded: ‘Allow me to disagree; I believe it is the universe that is the most glorious.’
Whatever caused our universe's initial expansion, my inspiration is drawn from the structure of these stars, the natural processes that formed them (i.e. the direct causes of these celestial bodies' existence/properties), and the process of science, by which they are known.
@SecularAstronomer I belive nothing is the god. Because nothing is nothing, it exists before everything started. The nothing I meant is that open space. Outside of our Universe's current "border". Because if nothing doesn't exist then nothing can exist because there is no space for us to place any lifeforms or universes.
Superb. Great scaling and pace in the editing..., interested minds can savor the staggering implications. And great choice of music. All to often music of an anxious and percussive palette is chosen, I suppose to help induce awe.
The awe should come from the fact that what's out there, in the vastness and beautiful order, is inside us.
Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of night and day, and the ships which run upon the sea with that which is of use to men, and the water which Allah sendeth down from the sky, thereby reviving the earth after its death, and dispersing all kinds of beasts therein, and (in) the ordinance of the winds, and the clouds obedient between heaven and earth: are signs (of Allah's Sovereignty) for people who have sense. (164)
I don't get how Justin Bieber's music videos have millions of views and this doesn't. Aren't people interested in this? How can you not be interested in this?
Your mother's fat ass is actually larger than that
newtonpippin 1 hour ago
Canis Majoris is the size of Chuck Norris's Testicles
ultimategamerify 10 hours ago
What is nothing?
Yurface1124 3 days ago
@Yurface1124 Nothing
attractivue 1 day ago
This is why I love science.. by the way, I would like to get the main theme, thanks!
icotelg 5 days ago
@dragon935 Why do you say that?
lrcdert2010 6 days ago
And people say a "God" doesnt exist.....psshhh idiots.
dargon935 1 week ago
@dargon935 good one
mistergoldjoker 6 days ago
Lol look at vy can is majors when they do the credits. It looks like a tit
ironade555 1 week ago
If you feel big, thant watch this video and think "im just a fucking grain of sand"
ILOVERESISTANCE 1 week ago
@ILOVERESISTANCE Probably even smaller then that.
GrayDeeJ 1 week ago
@GrayDeeJ Oh, a lot much smaller.
ILOVERESISTANCE 1 week ago
Holy cheeze :o
Zookzifyed 1 week ago
R136a1 is bigger than VY Canis Majoris, but isn't shown in the video.
The777gurl 1 week ago
@The777gurl
R136a1 is the most massive known star, with an estimated initial mass of 320 M☉ and current mass of 265 M☉. Colloquially, 'massive' and 'big' both describe, but in the context of physics, they describe different things.
How big something is describes over how much volume its matter is distributed, but in physics, how massive something is describes how much matter it is comprised of.
SecularAstronomer 1 week ago
VY Canis Majoris is the biggest known star, in that it has the largest diameter/volume, but it is not the most massive. In fact, with an estimated initial mass of 30-40 M☉ and current mass of 15-25 M☉, there are dozens of stars known to be far more massive.
The reason it's so big, yet relatively 'light,' i.e. has such low density, is because it's on its last leg. As it runs out of hydrogen to fuse in the core, the decrease in outward force causes it to contract.
SecularAstronomer 1 week ago
The resulting increase in heat shifts the fusion to the hydrogen-rich outer hydrogen-rich outer layers, and the resulting increase in heat and radiation causes them to expand. As more elements are fused and eventually exhausted, the expansion continues.
VY Canis Majoris is large enough to fuse all the way up to iron-56 (iron-52 + He nucleus → Ni-56, which decays first to cobalt–56, then to iron-56).
SecularAstronomer 1 week ago
@The777gurl no its not its the most massive star not the most biggest
Whiteygolddigger 1 week ago
this is amazing!!
NERF2468 1 week ago
2:53 something BIGGER than VY Canis Majoris??? No way!!!
FriendlyAC130Pilot 1 week ago
1:53*
FriendlyAC130Pilot 1 week ago
εχετε πιο ληγους πλανητες μα το ΒΙΝΤΕΟ ειναι οραιο
giwrgakis06 1 week ago
Chuck's sun :D
A4M0nRa 1 week ago
a cluster of life,
captivated by longing,
stuck here forever
Wilkoisonfire 1 week ago
this makes you realise how small we actually are, i did some research and it would take 11,666,192,832,000,000 Earths to fill it up!
(approx)
TheMikeRobbo 1 week ago
@blackwiddow20 You seem to say common sense,yet many type of phenomena in the sub-atomic "world" doesn't make sense.Just because you base all your experiences in relative to the macro-level doesn't mean it has to be common sense.The Universe,once you go deeper into it,it tends to deviate even more from everyday reality.
lrcdert2010 1 week ago
You're all acting like saints simply for a reward, and that's just sad.
Live your own life, not one anyone else wants for you.
QuantumTesla 2 weeks ago
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but to try and understand nature, your nature and your environment, no matter how unflattering and terrifying they may be, and use that understanding to your advantage. prayer is a form of magic, a form of schizophrenia, a wishing away of the facts, of the reality. prayer is a form of indirect magic.
occultologist 2 weeks ago
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not only is pandering to the universe, attempting to bargain with it, win it over with worship, sacrifice, prayer and 'good' works irrational, since the universe is not a person, but a collection of persons, places and things, but it is childish, infantile, effette. what most fail to acknowledge is science and philosophy are masculine activities, it takes guts to face the reality of death and press on, in spite of the apparent absurdity of the universe, to not grovel and cowar fear,
occultologist 2 weeks ago
I'm not trying to convert you, but when evidence points toward design why is so hard to just see it for what it is?
Cosmological Constant.
blackwiddow20 2 weeks ago
@blackwiddow20
"...when evidence points toward design why is so hard to just see it for what it is?"
Just as the "evidence" of the Kalam argument isn't really evidence at all, so the same is true for many other "evidences."
SecularAstronomer 2 weeks ago
@SecularAstronomer The kalam argument was not my evidence. The kalam argument is the hypothesis by which the evidence best fits. The theories that try to avoid the singularity all use theoretical physics to help the equations work. Theoretical physics that use theoretical numbers plugged into them used to describe a theory to help make it work is circular reasoning. Just saying. Look up the Cosmological Constant. It is one of many aspects of evidence I can point you toward that point to design.
blackwiddow20 1 week ago
"Cosmological Constant."
Ptolemy's epicycles got pretty precise, too. Such can be the nature of correction factors. Most correction factors aren't that bad, but the this one seems to be absurdly precise. It's possible that trial number in a multiverse is the answer, but it's more likely that we're simply missing something.
It comes right back to the distinction between exclamation marks and poorly understood question marks.
SecularAstronomer 2 weeks ago
@blackwiddow20
p.s. It helps maintain continuity if you use the reply button.
SecularAstronomer 2 weeks ago
Aww man.. Stop being stupid. God took seven days to built this shit that we are destructing. Does you really think that he cares about this? Look at the size of the universe. I love god, but somehow, i think that he is takin care of other things now... I dunno. Look at the size of this... He may be creating another civilization now.
Remember that you are just dust in the wind!
TheWinston1997 2 weeks ago
if earth is as big as anus majoris there would be alot of fuck and sex in 1 day
eLfuTaChee 2 weeks ago
how cool would it be to have blue rigel light instead of yellow sun light (it's starting to get boring!!)
bizano2 2 weeks ago
this is why we muslims say five times an day god is great
erhan2brother 2 weeks ago
scary shit
theevilHD122 2 weeks ago
and...Religion somehow is relevant to this video....
ISetYourFaceOnFire 2 weeks ago
YOU FEEL LIKE THAT? WELL GUESS HOW AN ANT FEELS.
ItsTheRealHoudini 2 weeks ago
Hyper Nova right there
aressephcloud 3 weeks ago
For a minute I was like what did you do with earth? Then I was like, ooohhhhhh there's earth, at the end.
sokoy11 3 weeks ago
I wouldn't want to be around that when it Super Novas, expecially since its going to make one nasty black hole
Mezey5 3 weeks ago
Those letters at he end are huge, why haven't they been given a cool sounding Latin name yet?
THAT1ANONYMOUSDUDE 3 weeks ago
there is probably no god.
CropDuster33 3 weeks ago
Something is sure, is not the christian god, no way.
AZURA888 4 weeks ago
Holy shit....
Akilroth234 4 weeks ago
The universe fascinates me *_* Holy shit
LuucasSK 1 month ago
nice music!!!!!
joshua8935 1 month ago
unfathomable
TheFreightdog97 1 month ago
Humbling doesn't even begin to describe this.
yiffybunny 1 month ago
canis majoris is like I am sexy and I know it
sashank224 1 month ago
Dam nature you scary!
jack24showrocks 1 month ago
what's with all the god talk? are men still so primitive, that when they see very big things, they instinctively anthropomorphize them? i think it's fear, we feel intimidated by big things, so we want to believe there's a force out there bigger than them on our side, that made them just for us. we humanize them, hurricanes and stars, so as to make them nonthreatening. this is a sign of mental weakness. oh, it big, if i pray, sacrifice, worship, maybe it spare me? or it could just be the choir.
occultologist 1 month ago 11
@occultologist If evidence points to something then surely it's warrented? Design is where all the science is starting to point to so where does that leave you and your "nothing is bigger than me" attitude? If the universe was designed who do you think designed it? The Kalam hypothesis is the only hypothesis that actually makes sense combined with all the evidence. People who believe in God are not as closed minded as you imply, but we are just mindful of where all the facts are pointing. BOOM!
blackwiddow20 2 weeks ago
@blackwiddow20
The Kalam argument is quite speculative, and thus quite poor. What other data are you referring to?
SecularAstronomer 2 weeks ago
@SecularAstronomer Other data aside, what exactly is speculative and "thus poor" about the points of the argument?
Point 1 - "Whatever begins to exist, has a cause of it's existence (i.e. something has caused it to start existing)." - Common sense.
Point 2 - "The universe began to exist." - Science/Cosmology points toward Big Bang.
Point 3 - "Therefore, as the universe is something which exists, it must have had a cause." - Once again common sense.
None of that is speculative or poor at all.
blackwiddow20 2 weeks ago
@blackwiddow20
Yes, point one is definitely "common sense;" i.e. making assumptions from common experience. The problem is that the more closely the universe is examined, the farther it deviates from our experiences on this semi-macroscopic scale we live on. There is nothing "common sense" about pair production, or constant phase velocity of light in a vacuum, or quantum tunneling.
SecularAstronomer 2 weeks ago
But it gets worse, because all mater or energy we refer to as "coming into existence" doesn't real do so. A chair doesn’t really begin to exist; rather preexisting mater is rearranged into a form such that we begin to call it a chair (this is called creation ex materia). We’ve never actually even observed creation ex nihilo, or know if that’s even coherent.
SecularAstronomer 2 weeks ago
As for point two, it is unknown as to exactly what that means. The idea that the universe existed as a spatially singular potential can just as easily be thought of a something unlike anything we can conceive of, as it can be thought of as simply “nothing.”
SecularAstronomer 2 weeks ago
And a singularity isn’t even necessarily how the universe “began;” models such as loop quantum gravity indicate that the universe was small, yet three-dimensional, and a contraction preceded the initial expansion. This makes the peculiarities of quantum vacuums especially relevant.
Further still, some models indicate time strictly “beginning” (notice the failure of language) at the expansion, while others, such as ekpyrotic scenario indicate a pre-expansion progression/existence.
SecularAstronomer 2 weeks ago
To harken back to point two, even the prospect of a time-initiating expansion from a nothing-esque singularity doesn’t necessarily indicate causality.
SecularAstronomer 2 weeks ago
The point is that there are many possibilities; that which later formed the modern universe (singularity or not) either came into being, or never did. If it came into being, it was either causal or acausal; same with the initial expansion. If either were causal, it could have been a mind (a deity), or some other unknown cause.
Thus, out of a myriad of possibilities, a deity is but one speculative guess.
SecularAstronomer 2 weeks ago
The fact is that humans have nothing but speculation when trying to answer question about the universe pre-Plank-time, and they ought not to bend a question mark into an exclamation point.
SecularAstronomer 2 weeks ago
@blackwiddow20 to your 'hell' with your 'science'. show me the goods, or keep quite. where is your science, where is your data and your GOOD arguments? i'll gladly take you and your support group on any day of the week.
occultologist 2 weeks ago
@occultologist In my opinion, 'all the god talk' is to help convert non-christians like yourself to Christianity.
There are many Scientists out there who aren't Christians, yet have claimed that there is a creator responsible for these creations. It makes sense, for if 'The Big Bang' did occur (even though it didn't), then what created that?
But whether you like it or not, Jesus Christ has created these beautiful giants, and yet so many of you deny it. To me, that's fear.
JeSeij 2 weeks ago
@JeSeij what makes you so sure it didn't?
i don't think the big bang necessitates a creator. perhaps space oscillates between expansion and contraction, expasion resulting in a big freeze, contraction resulting in a big crunch/bang, or maybe the big crunch/bang only occurred once, was the result of space contracting, or maybe nothing created the big bang, maybe it just happend, what created god, who well he is self generating, well the big bang may be self generating.
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@JeSeij maybe the big bang was the result of two giants throwing bowling balls together, why assume god, or a single omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god? because it comforts you, and those like you, you don't want to live in a inhuman universe, because you're weak and cowardly, you despise truth and you love the lie. that's ok, that doesn't bother me, but i refuse to buy your bullshit, i will require some GOOD arguments and data from you first.
occultologist 2 weeks ago
@JeSeij No, To believe an "Invisible man, up in the sky, watching down upon everything" is just illogical and stupid. To even assume that a man could be the reason all these things exist is incredibly ignorant and ridiculous. There is much much much much much much more evidence that shows god does not exist than god existing. And the ones who believe he does are stupid. Open your eyes and realize how illogical the theory of god is. (Especially in Christianity.)
Beelztheawesomegamer 2 weeks ago
@Beelztheawesomegamer Who said God is a 'man'? @occultologist Space oscillating between expansion and contraction? You need an energy field to contain the universes in the multiple universes theory which this theory is from...who created that field of energy then? People always claim that Christians are closed minded but the evidence for design is all around us. Have you ever seen the complexity of molecular machines? They could not have evolved as they need all working parts to work. Design.
blackwiddow20 1 week ago
@Beelztheawesomegamer Jesus isn't like any other man. His ways are perfect. He is a man of great power and strength. This 'invisible man, up in the sky..' is The King.
I'm not trying to bible bash you here, and say that I'm perfect, because I know that I'm not, but I think all of this God-hating talk is crap. It's interesting to see how many of you critisize him and not some other 'God' made out of stone. You are all so quick to treat him like nothing, it's pathetic.
JeSeij 1 week ago 2
@JeSeij I can sympathize with your beliefs, i'm perfectly fine with people who's opinions differ from mine. The whole REASON people attack the catholic religion is because they shove their religion in everyone's face more than any other group of people. That's what's truly pathetic. Religion is like a penis, You can have one, but i don't care about yours, i don't want to hear about it or see it. And don't try to shove it down my throat.
Beelztheawesomegamer 1 week ago
@Beelztheawesomegamer Jesus isn't a religion, he is the way, the truth and the light, and you have some nerve to talk the way you do.
But God demands of me to love you anyway, so I'll try not to 'jump down' your throat (even though, in my opinion, I haven't been doing any such thing towards you).
JeSeij 1 week ago
@Beelztheawesomegamer *'shove it down'
JeSeij 1 week ago
@Beelztheawesomegamer God is real. and 170millionor more christian repsect your opinion
ianobey11 6 days ago
@ianobey11 I appreciative that you accept my opinion. But don't quickly Assume he's real. My beliefs are he doesn't. Yours are he does. The thing is, we'll never know. So what would make more sense is "I believe he's real, and so do many other individuals of the same religion. Yet we all respect your opinion." And i respect your beliefs too.
Beelztheawesomegamer 6 days ago
@Beelztheawesomegamer
I certainly know the religious standpoint on the Creation, but what does science say happened? Of course I know about the Big Bang, but did that create just our galaxy, or the entire Universe? Moreover, what caused the Big Bang, and what existed before the genesis explosion? I'm curious to know if science knows the answer to those questions, not that I'm trying to test you. I just want to know what you can tell me about it because I find it very interesting.
Cereghini 4 days ago
@Cereghini
I answer some of those questions in my reply to blackwiddow20.
Start reading from where I write: "Yes, point one is definitely "common sense;" i.e. making assumptions from common experience."
(just use the 'find' function of your internet browser to locate it)
SecularAstronomer 4 days ago
@Cereghini Molecular crunches in the un inhabited space that caused an incredible outward release in unlimited energy, propelling waves of pure energy outward at the speed of light to which is still expanding today. Which is why the universe is infinite, because those waves are still moving outward creating everything, and then there's the thought of "What's outside of them?" Which we can assume is non-existence. And there's the theory if one were to travel outside of them, they would not exist
Beelztheawesomegamer 3 days ago
@Cereghini (Continued) anymore because they are outside of the realm of existence. Which is the universe.
Beelztheawesomegamer 3 days ago
@Beelztheawesomegamer
I think that they would only be outside of the PERCIEVED realm of existence, because for all we know, the Universe might end somewhere, and of course we couldn't know what is on the other side. Another plain of existence? Entirely nothing? I don't know any more than the scientists do, but it feels good to think about this stuff because I know that doing so expands my mind out of the norm.
Cereghini 3 days ago
@Cereghini Perhaps. It's a bit of an interesting concept. Since nothing existed before the big bang, The ever expanding universe is still practically the big bang, So outside of the shockwaves, we can assume nothing exist's. Then again, i could be totally wrong. It could very well be another plane of existence, another dimension, realm, etc. But yes, it is definitely health to think of these things. I find the entire universe incredible :)
Beelztheawesomegamer 3 days ago
The pro-nature rants on here are almost as bad as the "how great is God" comments. Both sides are as dogmatic as the other. The true pathway to understanding what the Universe is all about, is to have an open mind, and not to assert that it was either created by a God or that it arose spontaneously by itself.
Much of current physics research points (uncomfortably?) towards an "artificiality" inherent in our Universe. This doesn't have to mean that it was created by God.
agamemnon60 1 month ago
@agamemnon60
"The pro-nature rants on here are almost as bad as the "how great is God" comments. Both sides are as dogmatic as the other."
I haven't read all of the comments, and I have referred to natural forces, but I don't recall reading dogmatic "pro-nature rants" here. Which comments are you referring to?
SecularAstronomer 1 month ago
@agamemnon60 "The true pathway to understanding what the Universe is all about, is to have an open mind"
... as long as your brain doesn't fall out.
" and not to assert that it was either created by a God or that it arose spontaneously by itself."
One of these is an assertion, one is the default position. Can you guess which is which?
radbarij 4 weeks ago
@agamemnon60 "Much of current physics research points (uncomfortably?) towards an "artificiality" inherent in our Universe. This doesn't have to mean that it was created by God."
artificiality? are you implying that the physics is pointing to some kind of manipulation by an intelligent agency?
i spend quite a bit of time listening to lectures by physicists and this is the first i've ever heard of this. where exactly are you getting your information?
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@agamemnon60 Isn't it a bit dogmatic to write "have an open mind and not to assert"? Aren't you basically saying you can't know a truth. Which is fine if that is your opinion, but to suggest that "the true pathway to understanding the Universe" is only found through this open mind is a bit dogmatic as well. Just saying...
rwcshaka 3 weeks ago
@agamemnon60 The important thing is you've found a way to feel superior to both of them.
MissInformati0n 2 weeks ago
how wonderfull is the universe, how big is GOD!
aguasDlindoia 1 month ago
@aguasDlindoia something which doesn't exist has no size to measure.
Rabsputin 3 weeks ago
I only the weak & vulnerable who cant understand science claim this is the work of a god. Even on our puny planet people beleive in fairy tales of different gods. Get a grip you bible bashing morons....if there is anything behind the universe it is of a higher being than a pathetic god - its called nature and the laws of physics within it.
saptwit 1 month ago
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth. - Psalm 33:6 ... God is undoubtedly huge. Thank you Louie Giglio.
kpsbknl333 1 month ago
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@kpsbknl333 "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth. - Psalm 33:6 ... God is undoubtedly huge. Thank you Louie Giglio."
who are you thanking? the old men who melted your brain as a child?
Rabsputin 3 weeks ago
a year around vy Canis majoris well ................................. 10,000 years later nooooo the year 4031 almost their ow my back oooooooooooooooo died aaaa bleep almost got the time
boxsterfilms 1 month ago
amazing animation!! what program did you use... i am trying to do the same thing for my own project
oliviamarie12321 1 month ago
I follow Christ and I love science too! The two can co-exist! Great video, exactly what I was looking for.
festafreak 1 month ago
my brain explods 2billion 494 mrd.848 mil. m d
neo0lucio0mywin 1 month ago
VY Canis Majoris reminds me of Majora's Mask because of the Majoris
MrFfsmanwtf123 1 month ago
sooo to break it down 100 earths would probably be 1 house in VY canis majoris
MrJohn0224 1 month ago
VY Canis Majoris: Hello there, Earth.
Earth: OH SH*T!!!!!!!!!!!
ppeach404 1 month ago 13
@ppeach404 your dick is bigger than canis majoris
eLfuTaChee 3 weeks ago
this is totally CGI
birthnight 1 month ago
ho fuck sound omg
florian1423 1 month ago
that is one big honking star. Also, allow me to divert from the usual arguments that come with these videos and quote Crow T. Robot:
"I Feel so insignificant. But then I always do!"
I never tire of seeing this sort of thing.
rayvn03 1 month ago
Imagine if this monstrosity was a blue hypergiant and imagine the freaking hpernova on that thing and the brightness of it in the night sky ...mindboggling
dotzzz59 1 month ago
Earth isnt that small compared to sun lol
Ace0077 1 month ago
@Ace0077 it sure is
vivtin 1 month ago
sorry, but what does this "~8 Im" concerning the size of the sun mean?
hsv4eva2712 1 month ago
@hsv4eva2712 8 light minutes, i.e., the distance a photon in vacuum would travel in 8 minutes: approximately 143900380 kilometers
GStokkink 1 month ago
@GStokkink wow. ok. thank you!
hsv4eva2712 1 month ago
Someone should extend this type of video to compare VY Canis Majoris to an entire galaxy.
QBpcguy 1 month ago
Some people believe in god and some don't. Just watch this amazing video and stop putting comments on about religion
TheTalalm 1 month ago
Marsmellows anyone?
-God.
WolvesOfEurope 1 month ago
isnt our universe the most spectacular wonder...created from itself , evolved by itself , to be told it was created by a billy connolly looking guy!.....stop looking in books for a god...look to the stars and stand in awe of reality.
Axeman02 1 month ago
stop with the dumb religious comments
TeamFortressgineer 1 month ago
Imagine out of all these vast scale planets God has created, we are the most precious creations of them all, in his eyes. :) No your value people
GuitarSongs21 1 month ago
makes you wonder how big would VY Canis Majoris look from earth, you after we get out of it's diameter lol, damn smh god is saying "I'm dissaponted in you, Sun." lls
WeThErOcKsTaRs 1 month ago
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There are an estimated 200 billion galaxies in the visible universe.
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The milky way alone has an estimated 200 billion stars.
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There are an estimated 1.6 stars bound to each planet (in the Milky Way).
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Very, very, very rough figures based on these estimations suggests there are at least 640 sextillion planets in the universe (640,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). If someone again tells me we are the only life in the universe, I will laugh in their face.
credit goes to freedomjustice1995 I AGREE
chocoholic466 1 month ago
@guilhermegmoreir I saw in another video that if a jet flew at 900km/hr (or something like that), it would take 1100 years to circle VY Canis Majoris ONE TIME. Wrap your brain around THAT! :)
airbendingavatar1 1 month ago
it's so funny in the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy how they destroy earth for a super highway, but they probably would. LOL
JakesNotDrinking 1 month ago
So What im seeing means that nuclear power is like seeing germs on germs germs?
gallardo10000 1 month ago
we're too small
MOISES60090 1 month ago
We don't exist in the universe.
hamburgermeat1818 1 month ago
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Behold, the nations are like a drop from a bucket and are counted as small dust on the scales; behold, He takes up the isles like a very little thing. (Isaiah 40:15)
How great is our God
superndro 1 month ago
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@superndro
"How great is our God"
No greater than any other proposed creators of the initial singularity.
SecularAstronomer 1 month ago 26
@SecularAstronomer
initial singularity or quantum fluctuations or the other else proseses...all of them and existence of universe and natural laws and fine tuning of the universe propose the existence of God...the God have been creating all of the process...so the God is greater him made like stars, planets galaxies or the other process
hayaletkasaba 1 month ago
@SecularAstronomer google "Scale of the Universe 2012"
how can you say there is no GOD?
zorafm 1 month ago
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@zorafm "google "Scale of the Universe 2012"
how can you say there is no GOD?"
very easily, there is no 'god'. that wasn't difficult at all.
just because your little mind can't imagine the universe we live in not having some kind of supernatural agency fiddling with it and cosmology being beyond you, doesn't mean that whatever bullshit woowoo you believe to actually be the case actually is the case, it just means that you're a brainwashed moron.
Rabsputin 3 weeks ago
@zorafm And how does the "scale of the universe" prove God exists? The size of the universe itself doesn't approve or disapprove the existence of God. I don't see what point you're trying to make.
silentkiller102 2 weeks ago
@superndro there is no god man, you are just like all the muslins that believe in allah
its all fiction
alistilla2 1 month ago
@alistilla2
if u say its all fiction, i think u live in fiction world. but my life is real and all of i see is real.
so if u say no God, u must find reason how you exist and all of u see in world has exist??
superndro 1 month ago
@superndro and how bad are our eyes at (seeing)we can only see maybe 1/10 of all that is there ,and all the unvierse is but a thought in the mind of god
MrInternettoughguy66 1 month ago
@superndro Amen. Adonai be praised.
JediTreki 1 month ago
@superndro God has little to do with this video. He exists only on Earth.
SweetZombiJesus 1 month ago
@SweetZombiJesus brother, i say to you that this earth cannot exists without sun, because from sun's energy we can take energy for fotosintesis. and if you say GOD only exists in earth, so who can handle the sun and all universe?
The same GOD can be exists in univese and in your heart. He is Jesus.
beel919 1 month ago
@beel919
"[And] if you say GOD only exists in earth, so who can handle the sun and all universe?"
The universe's consistent nature (the description of which are called physical laws) is quite sufficient in 'handling' the existence and behavior of stars, planets, and everything else.
SecularAstronomer 1 month ago
@beel919 The sun does not need to be handled, there are natural forces like gravity that do some of that, and even then, the universe is actually full of chaotic, destructive forces that points towards no one "handling" them. Our planet just happens to be at the right distance from our sun, and has the right revolution, to support life. Just like on other planets, most likely.
SweetZombiJesus 1 month ago
@superndro Oh, I dunno... how big *is* the head of a pin?
radbarij 1 month ago
humbling...
TheMadRabbi666 1 month ago
PERSON: there is a huge world out there
ME: i dare you to say that in frontt of vy canis majoris
Theafgstar1 1 month ago
They cut the end off where it zooms out to reveal my three peace set! Robbed.
liambrownmusic 1 month ago
canis majoris..one big ugly motherfucker
paulocbn 2 months ago
Imagine the size of this VY Canis Majoris... Man, I feel like a piece of shit right now.
guilhermegmoreir 2 months ago
and yet, no discovered object in the universe is bigger than Kayne west's ego...
THERIDDLER114 2 months ago 2
Donald Trump's ego is bigger.
worldted 2 months ago 2
@worldted who the hell is donald trump?
AlmostRuined 2 months ago
trái đất to rê nun =]]z
bjnng0zq7 2 months ago
We are not :foreveralone: !!
InsaurraldeGustavo 2 months ago
I feel small now.
SkotFischer 2 months ago
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allah is the creator and the sustainer off all we see and we do not see. hu allahhu lazi la ilaha illa alla hua alimul ghaibi wa shahadah -He is Allah: there is no god to be worshiped but He; the Knower of the unseen and the manifest, He is the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate.-
Follow him ! take out your cross. if you follow him. you can't be held from being a muslim. and that is the salvation in the world and akhirah - ahmed deedat
choc0chips91 2 months ago
@choc0chips91
Your proselytizing comment is solely comprised of 6 bare assertions with no supporting argumentation. Please take your distraction from the content of this video elsewhere.
SecularAstronomer 2 months ago 17
@SecularAstronomer Astounding, videos like these still amaze me every time I see them, thank you so much for sharing all of this content with us, oh and sorry for all of the religious nuts giving you trouble on your comment pages. Thanks again there is nothing more interesting to me, i'm considering astronomy as a career, i just don't know where to start.
It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
G0JETSG0 2 months ago
@choc0chips91 In plain simple english.... GTFO
whiteynator 2 months ago
Earth: im big!
Sun: No im bigger than you.
Blue Rigel: Im bigger than both of you.
Vy Canis Majoris: FUCK YOU ALL!! IM THE BIGASS ONE HERE.
MrHATERSgonnaHATEme 2 months ago
Rigel is visible right now in the eastern sky! If you are in the Western Hemisphere that is!
deeppurple28 2 months ago
@SecularAstronomer Yeah as Arabs we know that google translate is bad since we've tried it the guy meant that like as in he's praising God for his strength and mightiness but what did u mean?
TheDrizzy29 2 months ago 3
@TheDrizzy29
By writing ‘Subhan'Allah,’ bacteria951 either meant ‘God is glorious’ or ’glory to God.’
To which I responded: ‘Allow me to disagree; I believe it is the universe that is the most glorious.’
Whatever caused our universe's initial expansion, my inspiration is drawn from the structure of these stars, the natural processes that formed them (i.e. the direct causes of these celestial bodies' existence/properties), and the process of science, by which they are known.
SecularAstronomer 2 months ago
@SecularAstronomer I belive nothing is the god. Because nothing is nothing, it exists before everything started. The nothing I meant is that open space. Outside of our Universe's current "border". Because if nothing doesn't exist then nothing can exist because there is no space for us to place any lifeforms or universes.
PlushGallade 1 month ago
20 people got too close to vy CM
MisterRTan 2 months ago
you need 1310 years to fly with a plane arround canis majoris:D
the101stRANGER 2 months ago
Superb. Great scaling and pace in the editing..., interested minds can savor the staggering implications. And great choice of music. All to often music of an anxious and percussive palette is chosen, I suppose to help induce awe.
The awe should come from the fact that what's out there, in the vastness and beautiful order, is inside us.
Romanieo
romanieo 2 months ago
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Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of night and day, and the ships which run upon the sea with that which is of use to men, and the water which Allah sendeth down from the sky, thereby reviving the earth after its death, and dispersing all kinds of beasts therein, and (in) the ordinance of the winds, and the clouds obedient between heaven and earth: are signs (of Allah's Sovereignty) for people who have sense. (164)
Quran: Al-Baqara (164)
ahmedsaleh77 2 months ago
I am embarrassed for planet earth after reading some of the incredibly ignorant, immature posts about this video.
caroljmcbr 2 months ago
V.Y. Canis Majoris is 500 billion times bigger than our sun.
caroljmcbr 2 months ago
I don't get how Justin Bieber's music videos have millions of views and this doesn't. Aren't people interested in this? How can you not be interested in this?
Kyandros 2 months ago 3
how big is vy canis majoris compared to a galaxy isnt it as big as our entire solar system or even bigger
NeoYoung3100 2 months ago
OH SHIT
reideromarato 2 months ago