Jean Baptiste Lully (1632-1687) - Airs de trompettes

[apostatdurock]

Vive le Roy !

[kuntant1]

boombastic,Lully is great

[shareddreams]

Doesn't this sound like Charpentier's Te Deum?Eerily, it does.

[1zwitser]

wauw!!!!!!!

[TheAlumni2000]

Doesn't this music make you feel incredibly and inexplicably happy?

[1zwitser]

i love this music very much!

[gobanito]

The nobility couldn't sustain its debauched and frivolous lifestyle on the back of the French people while the latter starved. The French Revolution had good intentions but quickly devolved into a nightmare. Only the nelightened despostism of Napoleon could bring order back into chaos. The fall of Napoleon was indeed a tragedy.

[DiVeronica]

@thedrumbum1990 lol why do u say that?

[thedrumbum1990]

@DiVeronica Because for a period of about 40 years he had almost total control over musical life in France.. If any other composer wanted music played in public,, they had to get written permission from him,, and most often he'd deny them anyway. To rise to such a powerful position he seized the Academie d'opera by manipulating and cheating people (esp Louis XIV), exploiting their misfortunes (look up what he did to Pierre Perrin), and was overall a pretty ruthless man.

[thedrumbum1990]

@DiVeronica He was also mean to his musicians,,he would often have these tantrums if things weren't going his way.In doing all of this he amassed an absolute fortune,and rather than investing it in musical culture or other worthwhile things he blew a lot of it on luxury possessions.He was so influential that composers who wrote in a different style to him were frowned upon, even 100 years after his death.By the end of his 'reign',,the Lully style was all the French knew. Lully=oppressive force!

[DiVeronica]

@thedrumbum1990 Interesting. Yeah French Baroque seems to offer very few gems. I guess that explains why- he sounds like quite the stultifier.

[LucasHiltonVicious16]

Which is the Requiem that was played for Maria Theresa, Queen of France and Infanta of Spain's, funeral?

[SantaFe19484]

I love Baroque French music.

[etresanchez]

The Nobility of The Heart.

[pallomino22us]

I beg to differ, but there was NOTHING humble about Lully, he was ambition personified, but his talent kept him in favour with the king,( whose own vision demanded grand compositions)this was a connection he exploited to the full, thinking nothing of trampling on anyone whom he considered an obstacle, even long standing friends...

[herrapikkarainen]

The vulgarity to which the nobility were prone seems charming in contrast to all their high refinement because it shows them to be human after all.

[theprof1958]

@herrapikkarainen

Lulli was a humble worker, like the architects of Versailles.

Nobilty had the money. We have to thank God they have valorized genious like Lulli or Handel.

Nobilty sucked and French revolution was THE answer.

I wish we can give such an answer to Berlusconi's court and have him guillotined...

But more likely he will die in his own bed, like Pinochet

[herrapikkarainen]

@theprof1958

I am not in favour of monarchism or authoritarianism by any other name but sometimes I like to put my political feelings aside for a moment and look at the 17th and 18th centuries as a cultural period, as an era in the intellectual and spiritual history of civilization. I try to understand the soul of that culture which is reflected in its aesthetics. And what I find reflected in the Baroque is not only an ideology of power but also much that is universally human.

[ma2tie2006]

@theprof1958 Yea, kinda. Actually, by the end of the monarchy, before the revolution, most of the "ancient dress Nobles" ( the actual ones, descending from the actual chevalry ) were almost struggling to exist. The rich Bourgeois bought their Noble letters and made their way to the court.

As to speak, 1789's revolution was a Bourgeois Revolution, most of the money were detained by those industrials, manufacturers etc... and they were pretty pissed of they had to paid for Nobles & church so..

[ma2tie2006]

@ma2tie2006 because back then, most of the "french" couldn't even read, understand that the very few powerful guys who orchestred that piece of history were the new born Bourgeoisy who get pissez of paying gagging taxes to those filthy lazy old useless Nobles and richass high ranked church guys which were there for almost 1400 years.

[swindahl]

The stage may have changed but the players not. Nobility are bankers withour title.

[tounecaneton]

@theprof1958 i admit you are really unlucky to have suffered of a such kleptocrat leading the politics of your country for a long time. let's hope he'll get a heart attack during a rodeo with one of these numerous teenagers he likes.

[GlennCaton]

@theprof1958 Grandiosity and debauchery always arrive with the seeds of their own destruction installed. Depending on the scope of their offensiveness, are the petitions for the rapid development of those seeds.

Berlusconi was just a test of the tolerance and cynicism of the Italian people.

[LordMSh]

@theprof1958 All great artists/composers were supported by the nobility, but not peasants. You can not possibly compose this kind of music in a stable full of horse shit. And about that infamous revolution by bunch of sadistic and ignorant peasants put back civilization some 500 years. It is not the nobility that sucks, it is corruption; nobles or peasants.

[SuperPrettyCOLORS]

@LordMSh

Nobility were once useful partitions of government set upon their task of keeping order dutifully, however as time grew on they became as pompous as one can be.

True it was society in general that became corrupt, I would have to argue that the Nobles disdain did suck, just the same way that Black and white segregation sucked in its own sense.

[LordMSh]

@SuperPrettyCOLORS Thanks for your comments, however, the poor behavior of peasants because of their social status against the refined behavior of nobles prevented the mixture of the two. Most of the nobility were very well educated that's the reason they held the higher government offices. What ever come from peasants is bad, past and present; most of them with disastrous consequences, these are all revolutions by peasants (communist, French revolution ,and now present situation in middle east)

[1eye1derweasil]

@LordMSh The revolution led to Napoleon - who brought France further into the modern age than any other european nation at the time. Its sad that your blanket statement is so well appreciated.

[LordMSh]

@1eye1derweasil Thanks for your "Blanket" comments. The Maniac Bonaparte is only admired by maniacs. Only those who have experienced the real horrors of the battlefield know that WARS turn human into savage animals, be it Napoleon, Hitler or else. Come down, read the history and forget about arrogance. The destruction Napoleon brought to the entire region is unimaginable that includes the total destruction of young French generation of that era..

[1eye1derweasil]

@LordMSh your ignorance is overwhelming - Napoleon (while a dictator) was the most progressive ruler of his time. He also NEVER ONCE declared war upon a SINGLE FACTION of Europe. He inherited a defensive war from the French republic, which had been beset unlawfully by the monarchs of Europe. Also how DARE you compare him to Adolf Hitler. Napoleon LEGISLATED THE PROTECTION OF JEWS and minorities in France - the first european ruler to do so. I suggest YOU read the history.

[LordMSh]

@1eye1derweasil What was he doing in Egypt? And his bloody war in Italy without any provocations? And the fact is, in his Russian campaign, Napoleon employed the the most handsome, intelligent young Frenches and left behind bunch of freaks (like yourself.) Regrettably all those gallant soldiers were massacred by the Russians, and present French generation are all descendents of those freaks, & France has never recovered ever since, now go on and give credit to him.

[1eye1derweasil]

@LordMSh Italy allowed English troops to land in their ports preparing for an invasion of France. Egypt was not Napoleon's decision - he was only a general at the time, and was following orders. Again - you are basing your opinion after inadequate study - and Russia was a retaliatory campaign (after Russia allied with Britain - a declaration of war) . You are simply ignorant of the events of the early 19th century. Also, its "FRENCHMEN" not frenches. Let me guess, your American?

[LordMSh]

@1eye1derweasil National history of each nation is the very matter of national pride and most nations completely distort all facts to show how great they are to avoid embarrassments. And here, those distorted facts apply very much to this case.

[kurtvonschleicher]

@LordMSh nobility sucks for the simple reason that all people should be given the same opportunities to prove their skills and abilities and subsequently receive a just compensation. a system founded on father to son trasmission of power and richness is simply not fair and contains whitin itself clear elements of corruption and injustice. i think the french revolution was a good thing just for its attemp to eradicate this injustice from the society. it failed, but showed the right direction.

[kurtvonschleicher]

@kurtvonschleicher

nobility kept peasants in terrible conditions: so how could those peasants feel interest in arts and good manners? always remember this: peasants were the 75% of the european population, so we must praise the economic development that allowed those peole to live better. some of them can also write "bourgeois gentleman"-like comments on the internet! i love progress!

[krossk424]

@theprof1958 Jean Baptiste was Louis's servant, but he was anything but a humble worker. He made vast sums of money, owned 9 seperate mansions around france, and would have likely lived into his 80s or 90s under the unwavering support of Versailles were it not for his death-by-conducting. Lully was an astute businessman. He needed only the OK from Louis--who he had in his back pocket--to change the copyright laws so he'd get a royalty from any performance in France including more than 3 players.

[Shmupper]

@theprof1958

In retrospect, the pseudo "French" revolution, the act of a few in reality, only gave rise to the bourgeoisie and its proto-decadence. Aristocracy and the respect of the kings (alphas) by the plebe and the defense of the plebe by the kings has gone done the drain. Sure enough, aristocracy started going down before that, a lot having to do with the rise of proto-bourgeoisie and other money related issues for which kings were not prepared to deal with. And got owned by.

[piquanting]

@theprof1958 The nobility at least had better taste than today's rich. Spending all your time idly pursuing gentlemanly things is more conducive to good taste than making a fortune building blocks of shitty apartments.

[juultjuh99]

@theprof1958 The nobilty didn't suck. Better then those bloodthirsty jacobins.

[cocolek3]

@theprof1958 Actually, Lully was rather a suck-up to dear ole King Louis XIV...Though you could justify this by saying that Lully WAS just a commoner who was forced to act as such.

Lully's opera often thinly veiled his ulterior motive of flattering the king through his characters.

[ma2tie2006]

@herrapikkarainen Nobles were not vulgar, Bourgeois were. Bourgeois kept his money, Nobles spent their. Actually, the most awful thing a noble could do to itself, was to work ( seriously, the simple fact of having a manual & paid work for a noble, was a reason to sentence him to one of the the highest penalty, which was taking out your Nobiliy. you could lose your nobility by the simple fact of working, thats right. ( except for the Arts of Fire ( glass, iron etc.. which were considered ok

[TaniaSSmith]

What a funny story about Lully in your "more info" section... quite the contrast from the kingly trumpets.

[ultraroyalist]

thank you to add this piece! I want more!