if its not part of the engine it would be the APU which is much smaller and located in the tail end of the plane!! makes more sense! i think 911 was an inside job but this just looks like an APU sized object! and plus we all saw those 767s there is no doubt and some trippers rekn there were no planes??? huh
Looks in good condition for something slamming into steel columns at '+500mph' , coming out the other side and falling hundreds of feet into the pavement below...
This is never ever the engine of a Boing 767. They are huge and made of titanium alloy. The fact, that they didn't find it is the proof, that they weren't there. This tiny one was part of another flying object.
you start calling people cock. Mister if you come to Austraila look me up I would love to buy you lunch and show you what a 767 moror looks like mate.
your research sounds great but have you seen a 767 motor.
If the jet smashed through the tower turbines would shatter its turbine fins and the outer shroud also the polot motor would be connected to the frount drive assembly the picture tells a million storys THINK before you insult peoples integrity.
@simweld I live in Australia you cock. As for CF6 engines, my job is working around them all day, and I can tell you that there's no turbine fins, or any fins in the engine. There's shafts, discs, blades and stators. If you've never seen a CF6 apart for overhaul, then shut up. In my job, we're often shown what FOD does to blades and stators, as well as what hairline fractures do to turbine discs on RB211's. If you're heading YSSY for KLAX on a 438ER, I'll be your FO.
go to google pictures and tell me another lie that you have researched the size of the engine pictured and the real 767 engine.example is two guys standing on scaffold showing the actual motor.
@TheSimweld Dickhead, the picture is of the aft compressor stage of the engine, proof is you can see the stub shaft where the roller bearing goes. Missing is the booster, forward compressor, combustor and turbine section. Further, the reason it's only a section is because the engine liners are in whole sections on the longitudinal axis. You've only got a small component section of the engine, not the whole thing. Next time you want to be a cock, atleast research what you're trying to disprove.
Hey, a NEWS guy got it wrong (wow, big shocker there!) This only proves that it was actually a cruise missile, right, troofers? Idiots. You morons think Bush stupid but yet somehow he's an evil genuis who pulled off the greatest hoax in history ... which would require help from hundreds of people ... and not even ONE of them has broken their silence. Or that the Moon landings were fake, and NOBODY spoke up about their role in the hoax? Grow up, people.
One wonders how many of the official story eaters would change their mind of Orielly or hannity told them 9 11 was an inside job. WIth many of them, if its not on FOX, it didnt happen.
those videos are all propaganda bullcrap, you truthers have nothing, you keep grasping at straws,you will never prove the government was involved because they weren't, it was a terror attack and that's that.
i AGREE.. ALL the videos from the M A I N S T R E A M M E D I A 'coverage' of the 'a t t a c k s' are PROPAGANDA BULLCRAP!!! 100% PROVEN!! the 'plane' is a fucking a n i m a t i o n!!!! what more proof do you need??? take a PROPER GANDER at the NON reaction of the plane and the building... fucking MORON! USELESS official story E A T E R!!!
wsee>> i was talking about the propaganda videos you were spreading around,i tell facts, and the fact is that you can not prove me wrong,and you know that. my videos prove the truth and they will make you upset because you will find the truth that you don't want to, people like you only want your rumors to be the truth and that will never happen ever. just deal with it.or remain a domestic terrorist attacking the government like the 9/11 terrorists wanted.
your fucking 'domestic terrorists' wear 5000. suits, went to IVY league schools, get buildings and airports named after them... you are a b r a i n d e a d fucking d r o n e... 911 was a warcrime perpetrated by: the military/industrial/media complex... s i m p l e f a c t... you've been partially l o b o t o m i s e d by the mainstream media feed!!!!
acording to truther logic anyone who believes the official story is part of the plot, so it's not just 5000 people it's more like 5 billion, there aren't that many stupid people who think the government was behind sept 11th, when are you dummies gonna realize you will never be able to pin the blame on anyone but the terrorists? 8 years now and nothing? what will you do when a new investigation turns out to be the official story? now go throw somthing in anger cuz you can't get to me either.
Are you referring to the two pdfs for Flight 77/93 here?
ntsb*gov/info/foia_fri*htm
if so, please point out where the FDRs are verified, confirmed, certified? Where is the match to the unique ID stamped found on all FDRs? Anyone with any knowledge of aircraft flight paths and FDRs (copy n' paste from another report?) could've written this. Where is the connection to the planes? And, engines are loaded with serial#s. That would be a simple ID match? The mystery continues....
Yes, the documents speak for themselves. if you listen closely, you can hear WTF? How can you certify the FDRs without confirming that the unique ID number stamped on them is correct? You can't. Another botched "investigation", if you call it that...
Exactly how? What's your definition of confirm? Mine is a simple comparison of the ID numbers. Can you show me where this happened? And, can you come back at me with a little biit more than, 'It did happen' or 'they did confrim it' this time?
There is no rule of law or anything like that. It just seems a little odd in what was supposedly the most photographed/documented event in history that there weren't just 10-20 witness of the WTC planes that were interviewed live. Out of thousands, right? All major networks were there reporting the story including the BBC. What gives? Incidentally, here are some witnesses recorded live that didn't see the planes:
Answering a question with a question? But, the answer is, you really can't make that assumption unless you actually see thousands of people in the same shot as the planes watching them.
Or you can make the assumption based on testimony made after the fact, like the NYPD police report, the NYFD transcribed oral histories, the NYFD audio tapes, etc.
Not logical either. But this opens up a new door with new questions? Where are just 10 people in any shot with the planes? How about the video below? Where's any other person? FDNY? Police? Emergency workers? Anyone there? The camera actually scans the area, but not a soul to be seen? And, where are the sirens? Didn't Flight 11 just crash into the North Tower just 16 minutes previous?
You're not making any sense in many points. First, the camera scans around in the video low enough where you should be able to see many of FDNY, emergency workers, police (lights???), even normal citizens watching. Next, I shouldn't be able to hear sirens in the actual video of the second crash, but I should listen to the audio tapes. And, weren't most of the tapes AFTER the second hit?
Fine, for my evidence I present the witness statements from NYPD report (statements are considered to be under oath) that contain statement of police officers that witnesses the aircraft impacts.
Further evidence is the transcribed oral histories of NYFD personnel who witnessed the aircraft impacts.
Further evidence include oral statements of other witnesses.
Further evidence includes video and photos of the aircraft, including audio sounds.
So, you have nothing but witness statements (after the event?), obvious fake plane crashes shown on the news stations and wreckage that has never been positively ideintified? Is that right?
Alrght. Simple enough. Can you provide officially documented proof that any of the wreckage from any of the four planes has been positiviely identified?
Can you provide...To be more clear, I'm referring to evidence (official documents) that I can actually see? How about the engine in the above video? Have you seen any official documents identifying it? And the DNA reports (link)? Have you seen them?
On the NTSB web site they have offical documentation certifying the FDR for two of the aircraft. These are offical documents and are evidence - they could be admitted into any court of law. The pdf are on the web site.
They also have the radar tracks etc
I've never seen a published DNA report, that simply is not a public record.
Honestly, it does sound a little weird. Due to structural failure? How does he know this? Intelligent? Is it that easy to find "structural engineers" just walking randomly on the street who can evaluate the collapse within a matter of minutes just by looking at it? But, speaking of planted, check out this staged interview interrupted by a witness who says there was no second plane. Funny.
1. Where's the evidence proving that the wreckage (including the engine in the above video) from any of the four planes has been positively identified?
2. Where is the physical evidence that heat contributed to the collapse of the WTC?
3. Witnesses of the WTC planes recorded live on 911, (like the witnesses I posted)?
4. Nano-thermite discovered/identified in the WTC dust samples..
BTW - don't ever link me to a cnnfakes video again - the guys is a loon and if you believe his shit then you are just plain stupid
no other words
Now if you want to see the picture of a tire embedded into the structural steel or the piece of the plane that struck a moving car - send me a message and I'll send the link
Forget the link. Focus on the picture of the engine or better yet, google it. There's rust there. More logic: The engine supposedly belonged to Flight 11. But, Flight 175's engines went very close to the same scenario and just vanished? Flight 77's engines against concrete? One of Flight 93's, against good ol' dirt. And as you probably know, engines are loaded with serial numbers. How did they know which plane the engine belonged to. One engine, two 767s?
The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI. The Safety Board does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket.
omg, idiots. have you ever thrown a can and it land on either end........... duh........ the housing on the planes engine makes it look much bigger than the engine itself........you people need to wake up........ accept it for what it is........... it happened
"Police and fire officials began arriving at the hotel and commandeered the concierge desk as a command post. The health club manager called Compas on the radio and told him that part of the plane had fallen into the hotel's swimming pool--located on the roof of the building. The fire battalion chief assigned a fire lieutenant and six firemen to go upstairs to make sure that everyone was okay. "
is it just me or that engine is small? + why isn't there one scratch on the sidewalk? and it didn't even touch one of the "hundred" posts that were there?
I wonder, did the engine first travel completely through WTC1 and then land 3 blocks away standing upright like it's "posing" for the camera? Definitely planted....
NTSB states they have no records in positively identifying the wreckage from any of the four planes involved on 911. How about identifying (serial #s??) this engine for starters?
NTSB's letter is from July 18, 2008! Ignorance? Have you seen the FDRs? Have you the official documentation confirming that they came from the registered flights? And, the NTSB released the FDR data, not the FBI. Research..
My bad. I meant to say, Have you seen this document? In addition, have you seen the DNA reports? Certification of the FDR by the NTSB?
"Seven victims of a plane crash in Washington searched out in Cascade Mountains. The National Transportation Safety Board was to begin an investigation Tuesday. They were able to verify by serial number that it was the plane"
"Have you seen this document? In addition, have you seen the DNA reports? Certification of the FDR by the NTSB? "
Are those documents ever made public? You asking for evidence from an open criminal investigation - I can imagine the findings being published, but not something like a certification - I;ve never seen one.
As for the plane crash - nice fine, but I believe that plane did not have a FDR.
As for 911 - this is what the NTSB Site says (next post)
For me , it just simple common sense. Look at the engine in the above video. Does it look like it just went through two steel walls (WTC), traveled 3 blocks, fell about 1000 ft and crashed onto the street? With that kind of momentum. where's the impact damage to the engine? Does the street look like an engine just slammed onto it from 1000 ft above? And lastly, why is the engine standing upright? Again, simple common sense....
Its a part of the engine and its damage - did you know that when a B25 hit the Empire State Building the engine to the plane also went through the building and landed on the roof of another building IIRC
Common sense - what is more likely, a plane hit the towers or a plane did not hit the tower
Yes? That's it. Where? Explain? You are getting away from the topic again. I also forgot to mention, that if you look at close up pictures of the engine, you can easily see rust inside the engine?? Working engine or old azz engine?
You keep mentioning that hundreds or thousands of people saw the planes. But, you have yet to produce just 20 witnesses (not connected to the media/government) recorded live on 911 that saw the WTC planes?
"But, you have yet to produce just 20 witnesses (not connected to the media/government) recorded live on 911 that saw the WTC planes? "
Witnesses do not need to be recorded live on TV - there are written statements by firefighter and NYPD regarding seeing the planes. These are better than some man on the street in which the person is not identified and its impossible to followup with questions.
Its an absurd request and not grounded in any logical or legal requirements.
You did not comment on the rust inside the engine? Confirmation of the engine to which plane? Comparison of all plane crashes and the wreckage remaining? An actual interview with Joe Normal citizen recorded live would eliminate the opportunity for the media machine to take over. Written statements, after the fact, open up the door for let's just call it misinterpretation for now. Legal requirements? Wt....
I don't see rust on the engine - it has just been through a fireball and fallen 1000 feet
Joe normal citizen interviews can not be authenticated or confirmed since their names are not recorded - it would be hard to even get it admitted - and its not like thousands did not see it
"Incidents to establish a credible attack...Start rumors (many)....Start fires....parts of aircraft (could be) found." ---Northwoods document, 1962
"those engines could not possibly disintegrate, the engine found on Murray Street could not possibly been a CF6 or a Pratt & Whitney 4000 series...It could not happen...no airplanes crashed." ---John Lear, retired pilot of over 100 diff. types of airplanes & son of Bill Lear (Lear Jet), '08
That APU would have smashed right through the concrete if it really fell from that high!
freshkryp69 1 month ago
if its not part of the engine it would be the APU which is much smaller and located in the tail end of the plane!! makes more sense! i think 911 was an inside job but this just looks like an APU sized object! and plus we all saw those 767s there is no doubt and some trippers rekn there were no planes??? huh
bushdidit2u911 1 month ago
Looks in good condition for something slamming into steel columns at '+500mph' , coming out the other side and falling hundreds of feet into the pavement below...
Gibonz 5 months ago
This is never ever the engine of a Boing 767. They are huge and made of titanium alloy. The fact, that they didn't find it is the proof, that they weren't there. This tiny one was part of another flying object.
SENsale87 6 months ago
@SENsale87 The outer part of a CF6 is relatively weak.. what you see is the innards, which are much desner.
scaremengaviation 6 months ago
you start calling people cock. Mister if you come to Austraila look me up I would love to buy you lunch and show you what a 767 moror looks like mate.
your research sounds great but have you seen a 767 motor.
If the jet smashed through the tower turbines would shatter its turbine fins and the outer shroud also the polot motor would be connected to the frount drive assembly the picture tells a million storys THINK before you insult peoples integrity.
simweld 7 months ago
@simweld I live in Australia you cock. As for CF6 engines, my job is working around them all day, and I can tell you that there's no turbine fins, or any fins in the engine. There's shafts, discs, blades and stators. If you've never seen a CF6 apart for overhaul, then shut up. In my job, we're often shown what FOD does to blades and stators, as well as what hairline fractures do to turbine discs on RB211's. If you're heading YSSY for KLAX on a 438ER, I'll be your FO.
blampa 7 months ago
go to google pictures and tell me another lie that you have researched the size of the engine pictured and the real 767 engine.example is two guys standing on scaffold showing the actual motor.
TheSimweld 10 months ago
Look at the street sign to the size of the engine!
This is off a much smaller craft (maybe a drone) remember the dumpster sucked into a 747 a while back.
WAKE UP AMERICA YOU ARE BEEN STEERED INTO DANGEROUS WATERS<DO SOME RESEARCH AND TELL ME IM WRONG
TheSimweld 1 year ago
@TheSimweld I did the research. You are wrong.
Tralman1965 11 months ago
@TheSimweld Dickhead, the picture is of the aft compressor stage of the engine, proof is you can see the stub shaft where the roller bearing goes. Missing is the booster, forward compressor, combustor and turbine section. Further, the reason it's only a section is because the engine liners are in whole sections on the longitudinal axis. You've only got a small component section of the engine, not the whole thing. Next time you want to be a cock, atleast research what you're trying to disprove.
blampa 7 months ago
Hey, a NEWS guy got it wrong (wow, big shocker there!) This only proves that it was actually a cruise missile, right, troofers? Idiots. You morons think Bush stupid but yet somehow he's an evil genuis who pulled off the greatest hoax in history ... which would require help from hundreds of people ... and not even ONE of them has broken their silence. Or that the Moon landings were fake, and NOBODY spoke up about their role in the hoax? Grow up, people.
TonyN737 1 year ago
It's never been claimed that I have seen that that was even the entire engine. I've heard that was part of the engine.
Katt30 1 year ago
@electrourge You'd think a New Yorker would notice a Secret Service agent planting an engine the size of a small child.
ConspiracyWorld 1 year ago
One wonders how many of the official story eaters would change their mind of Orielly or hannity told them 9 11 was an inside job. WIth many of them, if its not on FOX, it didnt happen.
ssike0 1 year ago 3
LMFAO at this...look at the size of THAT...then go to google and look at the size of 767 engines
P&W JT9D-7R4
P&W PW4000-94
GE CF6-80A
RR RB211-524H
EdgemanLLL 1 year ago
@EdgemanLLL RLMAO !!
2020starman 1 year ago
767 Engine ,,lol lol lol lol Maybe a single airplane Engine
sa7272la 1 year ago
After all the planning and execution, who the hell forgot to plant the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
kendall49 2 years ago 3
@kendall49 rlmao
2020starman 1 year ago
Hm this was probably wrapped in the passport of the hijacker that flew out his pocket through the steel metling fire and landed in the street
CHANNELOMD 2 years ago
@CHANNELOMD RLMAO
2020starman 1 year ago
What part of the engine contains serial numbers unique to the plane?
Denierbud11 2 years ago
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yeah right!!!
no planes crashed ANYWHERE on 911
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september clues (1hr)
911 amateur 2 (9min)
fabricated plane ( 59 seconds!!!)
911 continuous pieces (1hr)
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wsee 2 years ago
those videos are all propaganda bullcrap, you truthers have nothing, you keep grasping at straws,you will never prove the government was involved because they weren't, it was a terror attack and that's that.
loosechangeexposed 2 years ago
wsee 2 years ago
wsee>> i was talking about the propaganda videos you were spreading around,i tell facts, and the fact is that you can not prove me wrong,and you know that. my videos prove the truth and they will make you upset because you will find the truth that you don't want to, people like you only want your rumors to be the truth and that will never happen ever. just deal with it.or remain a domestic terrorist attacking the government like the 9/11 terrorists wanted.
loosechangeexposed 2 years ago
wsee 2 years ago
acording to truther logic anyone who believes the official story is part of the plot, so it's not just 5000 people it's more like 5 billion, there aren't that many stupid people who think the government was behind sept 11th, when are you dummies gonna realize you will never be able to pin the blame on anyone but the terrorists? 8 years now and nothing? what will you do when a new investigation turns out to be the official story? now go throw somthing in anger cuz you can't get to me either.
loosechangeexposed 2 years ago
@loosechangeexposed
Stop talking to him.... he just gets his jollies from spreading wacky half baked conspiracy theories..... just a troll
watersong111 1 year ago
@watersong111 but i love making them look stupid, the proof is in the comments posted.
loosechangeexposed 1 year ago
@loosechangeexposed somebody PLEASE
provide PROOF that 19 suicidal hijackers took control of 4 airliners and crashed 3 of them into buildings... what?
Charlie666XZ 1 year ago
ntsb. gov/
info/
UAL93FDR
.pdf
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Are you referring to the two pdfs for Flight 77/93 here?
ntsb*gov/info/foia_fri*htm
if so, please point out where the FDRs are verified, confirmed, certified? Where is the match to the unique ID stamped found on all FDRs? Anyone with any knowledge of aircraft flight paths and FDRs (copy n' paste from another report?) could've written this. Where is the connection to the planes? And, engines are loaded with serial#s. That would be a simple ID match? The mystery continues....
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
These are NTSB reports, official expert documents admissible in any court of law.
Read them
Denierbud11 2 years ago
I already have and I can't find anything in them showing certification of the FDRs at all.
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
I'm not going to read them to you - they documents speak for themselves and are certified by the NTSB.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Yes, the documents speak for themselves. if you listen closely, you can hear WTF? How can you certify the FDRs without confirming that the unique ID number stamped on them is correct? You can't. Another botched "investigation", if you call it that...
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
They did confirm them.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Exactly how? What's your definition of confirm? Mine is a simple comparison of the ID numbers. Can you show me where this happened? And, can you come back at me with a little biit more than, 'It did happen' or 'they did confrim it' this time?
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
"Witnesses of the WTC planes recorded live on 911, (like the witnesses I posted)?"
As I keep saying, show me the rule of law or evidence that requires that a witness be recorded live the day of the event.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
There is no rule of law or anything like that. It just seems a little odd in what was supposedly the most photographed/documented event in history that there weren't just 10-20 witness of the WTC planes that were interviewed live. Out of thousands, right? All major networks were there reporting the story including the BBC. What gives? Incidentally, here are some witnesses recorded live that didn't see the planes:
watch?v=r5o_-KItOZU
odd...
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
"history that there weren't just 10-20 witness of the WTC planes that were interviewed live."
Its not odd at all, the focus was the fires and saving those trapped
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Ok, here's the obvious question. If you have no recorded proof of this, just how do you know that THOUSANDS of witnesses saw the WTC planes again?
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
How do you know thousands of people witnessed the bombing of Pearl Harbor?
Or the bombing of London?
Or the burning of Atlanta?
Or the Steelers winning the Superbowl this year?
Or the Pirates winning the 1960 World Series?
Or ...
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Answering a question with a question? But, the answer is, you really can't make that assumption unless you actually see thousands of people in the same shot as the planes watching them.
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
Or you can make the assumption based on testimony made after the fact, like the NYPD police report, the NYFD transcribed oral histories, the NYFD audio tapes, etc.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Not logical either. But this opens up a new door with new questions? Where are just 10 people in any shot with the planes? How about the video below? Where's any other person? FDNY? Police? Emergency workers? Anyone there? The camera actually scans the area, but not a soul to be seen? And, where are the sirens? Didn't Flight 11 just crash into the North Tower just 16 minutes previous?
watch?v=UUT7yup-YIg
Your explanation?
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
"Not logical either"
Again, name the rule of law or evidence that excludes this testimony.
"Where are just 10 people in any shot with the planes?"
Don't be absurd - the planes were a thousand feet in the air?
"camera actually scans the area"
It scans the air, not the streets
"And, where are the sirens?"
Listen to the NYFD audio tapes if you want sirens
Denierbud11 2 years ago
You're not making any sense in many points. First, the camera scans around in the video low enough where you should be able to see many of FDNY, emergency workers, police (lights???), even normal citizens watching. Next, I shouldn't be able to hear sirens in the actual video of the second crash, but I should listen to the audio tapes. And, weren't most of the tapes AFTER the second hit?
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
"You're not making any sense in many points"
LOL
A no planer should never use those words
Denierbud11 2 years ago
very simple. Prove me wrong...
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
Fine, for my evidence I present the witness statements from NYPD report (statements are considered to be under oath) that contain statement of police officers that witnesses the aircraft impacts.
Further evidence is the transcribed oral histories of NYFD personnel who witnessed the aircraft impacts.
Further evidence include oral statements of other witnesses.
Further evidence includes video and photos of the aircraft, including audio sounds.
Finally is the physical evidence.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
So, you have nothing but witness statements (after the event?), obvious fake plane crashes shown on the news stations and wreckage that has never been positively ideintified? Is that right?
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
"So, you have nothing but witness statements (after the event?)"
All witness statements are after the fact - how do you witness something and make a statement if it has not happened yet?
"fake plane crashes shown on the news stations "
This is a lie
"that has never been positively ideintified?"
THis is also a lie
Denierbud11 2 years ago
"that has never been positively ideintified?"
THis is also a lie
Alrght. Simple enough. Can you provide officially documented proof that any of the wreckage from any of the four planes has been positiviely identified?
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
"Can you provide officially documented proof that any of the wreckage from any of the four planes has been positiviely identified? "
Flight data recorders have been positively identified.
Go to the NTSC FOIA site
Should also add DNA remains from all four
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Can you provide...To be more clear, I'm referring to evidence (official documents) that I can actually see? How about the engine in the above video? Have you seen any official documents identifying it? And the DNA reports (link)? Have you seen them?
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
On the NTSB web site they have offical documentation certifying the FDR for two of the aircraft. These are offical documents and are evidence - they could be admitted into any court of law. The pdf are on the web site.
They also have the radar tracks etc
I've never seen a published DNA report, that simply is not a public record.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
watch?v=YEgHU6pS-tg
I love how its claimed this witness was planted since he sounds intelligent
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Honestly, it does sound a little weird. Due to structural failure? How does he know this? Intelligent? Is it that easy to find "structural engineers" just walking randomly on the street who can evaluate the collapse within a matter of minutes just by looking at it? But, speaking of planted, check out this staged interview interrupted by a witness who says there was no second plane. Funny.
watch?v=hAJq1ejs2mQ
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
Honestly, does it bother you that you do not have a shread of evidence to support your accusations?
Have you ever read the NYPD report of the incident? Just curious if you have done any research of primary sources
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Shred of evidence?
1. Where's the evidence proving that the wreckage (including the engine in the above video) from any of the four planes has been positively identified?
2. Where is the physical evidence that heat contributed to the collapse of the WTC?
3. Witnesses of the WTC planes recorded live on 911, (like the witnesses I posted)?
4. Nano-thermite discovered/identified in the WTC dust samples..
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
No, I asked for your evidence, not what you perceive to be a lack of evidence.
What do you have in the way of evidence to support your claims?
BTW - your nanothermite paper was not peer reviewed, it was published in a pay to publish journal - pay the fee and they publish your paper.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
BTW - don't ever link me to a cnnfakes video again - the guys is a loon and if you believe his shit then you are just plain stupid
no other words
Now if you want to see the picture of a tire embedded into the structural steel or the piece of the plane that struck a moving car - send me a message and I'll send the link
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Forget the link. Focus on the picture of the engine or better yet, google it. There's rust there. More logic: The engine supposedly belonged to Flight 11. But, Flight 175's engines went very close to the same scenario and just vanished? Flight 77's engines against concrete? One of Flight 93's, against good ol' dirt. And as you probably know, engines are loaded with serial numbers. How did they know which plane the engine belonged to. One engine, two 767s?
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
NTSB FOIA page has the FDR certifications
ntsb. gov / info / foia_
Denierbud11 2 years ago
The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI. The Safety Board does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket.
- NTSB
Denierbud11 2 years ago
omg, idiots. have you ever thrown a can and it land on either end........... duh........ the housing on the planes engine makes it look much bigger than the engine itself........you people need to wake up........ accept it for what it is........... it happened
anonymous1man 2 years ago
That is way too small to have been from a 767, even if compacted somewhat. Even the diameter isn't correct.
tnoutdoors9 2 years ago
wow u idiiots have 2 question everything dont u.
911letsroll 2 years ago
Outside job!
Rob260259 3 years ago
@Rob260259 RLMAO !!
2020starman 1 year ago
how convenient that the "murray street" sign is lying perfectly next to the up right engine. hmmm.
but why would anyone fake it, what reasoning could you have for planting it???
nihaodragonman 3 years ago
Plane parts were also found in the Marriot.
"Police and fire officials began arriving at the hotel and commandeered the concierge desk as a command post. The health club manager called Compas on the radio and told him that part of the plane had fallen into the hotel's swimming pool--located on the roof of the building. The fire battalion chief assigned a fire lieutenant and six firemen to go upstairs to make sure that everyone was okay. "
What do twoofers have to say to this?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
inside job!
TomFBB 3 years ago
How was the engine planted on a crowded Manhattan side walk ... making a statement does not make it so.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
CF6 or JT9D
familyguyfreak2 3 years ago
is it just me or that engine is small? + why isn't there one scratch on the sidewalk? and it didn't even touch one of the "hundred" posts that were there?
lottoforever 3 years ago
Why would you expect a scratch on the sidewalk where it came to rest?
And it almost certainly is not the entire engine, rather a part of the engine.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
I wonder, did the engine first travel completely through WTC1 and then land 3 blocks away standing upright like it's "posing" for the camera? Definitely planted....
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
Any witnesses to say they saw it planted?
Any argument to make other than your argument from incredulity?
Denierbud11 3 years ago
For the record musicmaker, your claims that you do not believe it are not evidence.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
Yes, it came to rest standing upright? Maybe it rolled that way? Funny stuff...
muzicmaker2001 3 years ago
Interesting, but certainly not evidence of anything except your twisted reasoning.
Denierbud11 3 years ago
NTSB states they have no records in positively identifying the wreckage from any of the four planes involved on 911. How about identifying (serial #s??) this engine for starters?
911blogger*com/node/16762
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
"NTSB states they have no records in positively identifying the wreckage "
This is a lie, the flight data recorders were recovered for two planes.
Plus,the NTSB was not in charge of the investigations - it was a criminal act and the investigation feel to the FBI.
So your entire statement is either ignorant or a deliberate lie.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
NTSB's letter is from July 18, 2008! Ignorance? Have you seen the FDRs? Have you the official documentation confirming that they came from the registered flights? And, the NTSB released the FDR data, not the FBI. Research..
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
"Have you the official documentation confirming that they came from the registered flights?"
Why do you think I would have this?
The NTSB certified the FDR data - the DNA has matched with the victims.
Show me a plane crash in which the NTSB has matched serial numbers with plane debri. If its standard practice, show when its been done before.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
My bad. I meant to say, Have you seen this document? In addition, have you seen the DNA reports? Certification of the FDR by the NTSB?
"Seven victims of a plane crash in Washington searched out in Cascade Mountains. The National Transportation Safety Board was to begin an investigation Tuesday. They were able to verify by serial number that it was the plane"
english*pravda*ru/news/world/09-10-2007/98469-plane_crash-0
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
"Have you seen this document? In addition, have you seen the DNA reports? Certification of the FDR by the NTSB? "
Are those documents ever made public? You asking for evidence from an open criminal investigation - I can imagine the findings being published, but not something like a certification - I;ve never seen one.
As for the plane crash - nice fine, but I believe that plane did not have a FDR.
As for 911 - this is what the NTSB Site says (next post)
Denierbud11 2 years ago
For me , it just simple common sense. Look at the engine in the above video. Does it look like it just went through two steel walls (WTC), traveled 3 blocks, fell about 1000 ft and crashed onto the street? With that kind of momentum. where's the impact damage to the engine? Does the street look like an engine just slammed onto it from 1000 ft above? And lastly, why is the engine standing upright? Again, simple common sense....
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
Its a part of the engine and its damage - did you know that when a B25 hit the Empire State Building the engine to the plane also went through the building and landed on the roof of another building IIRC
Common sense - what is more likely, a plane hit the towers or a plane did not hit the tower
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Let's focus on just the engine in the above video for a sec. Can you answer the questions from my last post?
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
"Does the street look like an engine just slammed onto it from 1000 ft above? "
Yes
It looks to be a part of the engine from the plane that struck the tower - there are witnesses to its impact
There are pictures of many other parts
One even hit a car with occupants
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Yes? That's it. Where? Explain? You are getting away from the topic again. I also forgot to mention, that if you look at close up pictures of the engine, you can easily see rust inside the engine?? Working engine or old azz engine?
watch?v=ckLe7BI6U1U
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
No this is your theory - explain why it is not from the airplane and explain what hit the tower if not the plane
then explain why we have hundreds if not thousands that saw the plane, and heard it
Denierbud11 2 years ago
You keep mentioning that hundreds or thousands of people saw the planes. But, you have yet to produce just 20 witnesses (not connected to the media/government) recorded live on 911 that saw the WTC planes?
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
"But, you have yet to produce just 20 witnesses (not connected to the media/government) recorded live on 911 that saw the WTC planes? "
Witnesses do not need to be recorded live on TV - there are written statements by firefighter and NYPD regarding seeing the planes. These are better than some man on the street in which the person is not identified and its impossible to followup with questions.
Its an absurd request and not grounded in any logical or legal requirements.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
You did not comment on the rust inside the engine? Confirmation of the engine to which plane? Comparison of all plane crashes and the wreckage remaining? An actual interview with Joe Normal citizen recorded live would eliminate the opportunity for the media machine to take over. Written statements, after the fact, open up the door for let's just call it misinterpretation for now. Legal requirements? Wt....
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
I don't see rust on the engine - it has just been through a fireball and fallen 1000 feet
Joe normal citizen interviews can not be authenticated or confirmed since their names are not recorded - it would be hard to even get it admitted - and its not like thousands did not see it
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Here's an example of Joe Normal Citizen recorded Live on 911. He happens to give his name and there's no mention of a plane?
watch?v=i0_Ns2ShYKc
muzicmaker2001 2 years ago
He was in the basement - how could he see a plane?
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Probably the APU, the auxillary power unit
SCE2AUX 3 years ago
More physical evidence of planes striking the towers.
But of course, we already knew that.
paulymac 3 years ago
"Incidents to establish a credible attack...Start rumors (many)....Start fires....parts of aircraft (could be) found." ---Northwoods document, 1962
"those engines could not possibly disintegrate, the engine found on Murray Street could not possibly been a CF6 or a Pratt & Whitney 4000 series...It could not happen...no airplanes crashed." ---John Lear, retired pilot of over 100 diff. types of airplanes & son of Bill Lear (Lear Jet), '08
Boeing confirms impossible speed
watch?v=x2upl977dsY
apocalypsynch 3 years ago
The Engines were planted ..
911ALERTED 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The only thing that was planted were demolition explosives in the Twin Towers and Building 7.
paulymac 3 years ago