The difference between Polymeters and Polyrhythms

[101MTL]

Great simple video to use for my students! Cheers

[mp3guy]

@101MTL Thanks!

[TheAshOfOurFriends]

Wow, this is a really, *really* great tutorial. So well explained!

[mp3guy]

@TheAshOfOurFriends Thanks

[damienro0]

Man, Awesome tutorial! I hope you answer questions. Im not very music literate so this might seem very simplistic: So the difference between them is in a Polymeter, the beats are played at the same time but counted differently, but in a polyrhythm, the beats are not played at the same time but they always match on the 1st beat? I hope you can help me, If you could do some tutorials on meshuggah and explain what they are doing dat would be awesome! Thanks!

[5T0N3R420]

Thank you SO much, man. This sorted a lot of shit out for me!

Cheers!

[rickcristo]

very informative, thanks for posting!

[LukeSniper]

Great vid! I think it would have benefited from a script or something, as you sometimes seem to be searching for the right way to describe something.

Very nice explanation though. I was trying to explain this to somebody else and didn't have the resources to demonstrate what I was talking about, but your video took care of that for me!

[ksbg247]

So vigil By lamb of god is a polyrhythm ? Didnt know chris adler dabbled in that part of town

[mirageus]

the info from 4:00 to 4: 50 is all this video needed to have.....thanks for posting, that was good

[trithparocy]

thank you for the explanation flamebeard, much appreciated.

[Krazydeath66]

JUSTIN FOLEY :D

[freakoutguitarsolo1]

ppl should use the words like tempo and ratio, when explaining polyrythms... like as in 6 against 4, your 4 is in 4\4 timing , the 6 notes are sped up to fit in the bar, you can either visualize them as quarter 6 quarter notes at a faster tempo to fit the bar or 6 quarter note triplets. that is the easiest polyrythm to start with, 6 against 4.... 4 with left foot on hi hat, 6 doing a snare roll with both hands.

i prefer writing polymeters, and cut bars short for spastic changes with time sig

[puppetmetal]

You have explained polymeters and polyrhythms better than anyone else. I THANK YOU!!!

[druggedontemptation]

that was a meshuggah song ~~ \m/ 

[AtmanB]

Great video and cool band there!!!

Man is someone of u greek???? The greek word Χαος dropped my jaw!!

[EstevanMusic]

Crazy story, I was in the bathroom doing my business you know?

Anyways (like you guys really needed to know that), while I was sitting there I was trying to pat poly-rhythms on my legs, and I ended up doing a 7/8 over 2/4 poly-meter.

I really like it because it has a alternating syncopation, really groovy.

This video is awesome mp3guy! FAVORITED and SUBSCRIBED.

[thomasstunts]

so, i don't know what this says about me as a musician (if anything at all) but typically explanations just confuse me further. since my induction into music i've always found it so much easier just to pick it up by listening to it, especially with the drums and rhythms on guitars. actual riffs on guitars are different, but rhythms i pick up fast. idk.. jus saying.

anyone else like that?

[Percussionfish]

u guys wanna see some advanced polyrithms? go check out the cuban salsa players, doesnt get more syncpated than that, cool video btw

[Skipants17]

Thanks, man! This was a great explanation. I had a beat and wasn't sure if it was considered a polymeter or not, but thanks to this I confirmed that it is. Cheers.

[bentecho]

great explantion mate, cleared a big argument with my bass player!

[elsegno]

Could you speak slower?

[stevo946]

@elsegno

can you understand faster?

[raulthebear08]

sweet, i dont play drums, im a guitarist, buts its always interesting to learn music theory especially rhythm based stuff.

[MikePostDrums]

I think I saw you on a photo on the Meshuggah website, mp3guy. The 20th photo under 'Fan photos'. Might be mistaken, though. It was shot in Atlanta, USA, I believe. :/

[mp3guy]

Nah, I am in the Hellfest 2008 crowd photos though. I'm also in the video of the Pravus breakdown from that gig on youtube.

[MikePostDrums]

Hahaha, cool. Hey, I just posted a 8-bit version of "Laments of an Icarus" by Textures. I'm sure you'll like it. :)

[UgE]

Thanks a REALLY LOT of this video! FInally I understood what's the difference between polymetres and polyrhythms. But can I ask you one question? What do you think abaut the Sane by meshuggah on 6:52? You chan think you play polyrhythm on hi-hat and snare in 3/4 but the actual riff is 4/4 'cause there are 8 bars. So I think there is a polyrhythm and a polymetre, tell me what you think about that?? :) - Uge from Finland. Ps. Check my Meshuggah covers in my channel. ;)

[iLoveOlivaMunn]

MESHUGGAH!!!!!!!!!

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[toolfrk1991]

Awesome!!!!

One thing, though......How can you go into polyrhythms/meters and not talk about Danny Carey of TOOL?

[mp3guy]

Because he only plays polymeters.

[janken919]

@mp3guy ?

[thunderrrrrrrrrr]

@mp3guy During the solo in Jambi he's playing a 4:3 polyrhythm.

[mp3guy]

@thunderrrrrrrrrr Which could also be interpreted as syncopated 3/4...

[barret707]

Your irish?

awesome :D

[ubermensch811]

hey, thanks for the vid - How much did that set cost and what kind is it?

[mp3guy]

Around €300, Millenium MPS-100, also know as the Medeli DD-502

[guitarsolointhewind]

I'm researching polyrhythms in juggling at the moment, so thanks man. this helps loads.

[krakak]

Really good video.

[kwolf68]

Damn good dude. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[dbarbiegirl]

awesome job man :)

[GGFan]

NICE

[pulsexx]

it is very simple

3/4 beat :

1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3

4/4 beat:

1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

they overlap every 12 beats.

[keganjgrode]

sick beard

[heavymetaldude321]

This has got to be the best explanation i've heard so far.

[Mitraeltheprophet]

OMG all this math confused me a bit... i mean i had to pause the video to think all the 4/4 3/4 blah blah blah... Anyway good video you can get thte general idea of the difference between polyrythms and polymeters..

[jewfishie2]

i like how you say certain as seartan

[ollecarlsson]

Trigger your pads with Superior 2.0, your sampler is horrible.....

[mp3guy]

That's using the module that came with the kit, I use BFD and DFH in my other videos.

[camo03]

Hey I finally see your face^^. Great explanations by the way...

[Natashadoingit]

that beat at 3.40 kind of reminds me of tool, i love those rhythms, in fact i would love a whole cd just of rhythms constantly changing/ progressing/ morphing. Come to worcestershire and play! :)

[theanvilcracks]

Primus's "Hallucinogenics" tour DVD soundtrack?

[FoolForRespect]

where can i get your bands cd??!! its sounds awsome!!

[chillichomper]

Great explanation and I love the band sound especially platonic hate. Brutal but precise. Awesome

[KEWB99]

thanks for the lesson! up until now i thought polymeter was just a synonym for polyrhythm.

[simonandtheghost]

Your bands pretty savage man! Checked out the myspace

Let me know if you're playing Dublin. I'd definitely check it out. Big Meshuggah fan as well

[DestroyinatorFurAlle]

Awesome dude

[dragonaut]

man was this hard to understand..easy explanation: polymeters different meters mashed together, polyrhythm, different tempos mashed together.

[euclid0911]

Thank you so much. I've been trying to figure out the difference. I've read and read about them, but to have someone actually demonstrate is so oo helpful.

Thanks again!

[crappyguitarist12]

kick ass beard

[robostomo1]

@crappyguitarist12 even better trampoline :D

[olxdirtyxd]

Well I've learned something today

[silvaraziel]

Great video, very informational, thanks for sharing!

[ozzyconron]

Are you from Waterford - Kilkenny ?

[mp3guy]

No, afraid not

[rizbo69]

you look so Irish!

[LordHines420]

AWESOME! hey, if you're looking for a real guitarist, let me know. that stuff at the end was funny, lol.

but awesome stuff. I learned a lot! thanks :)

[trollock]

nice trampolin!

[dougie159753]

nononoo, thats his base drum. lol

[pirez1986]

Cool video, just discovered Meshuggah and polyrhythms and you've helped me a great deal mate, thanks!

[brenzig]

I've never heard the term polymeter before.  interesting

[WORMED3]

kick ass dude...

[Enemyofreali7y]

This guy is a genius

With a fucking sick beard to boot

[rich0490]

thank you for clearing that up for me hah always just thought they were different words for the same thing

[Debtfromabove]

Nice to see some Irish talent! Keep up the good work, man! Slán!

Also, MEEEESSSSHUUUUGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AHHHH

[jokuhmetallica]

what is the name of your band??

do your band have a myspace?

cheers!!!

[mp3guy]

xaoc, myspaceDOTcom/xaocmusic

[phaudraig]

Fantastic explanation. My dad's a drummer, and everyone always says he's great at polyrythms but he's never been able to properly explain to me what they are in words of one syllable. I get it now! Hooray!

[Chaosbreach]

great explanation though

[iLoveOlivaMunn]

MESHUGGAH!!!

[lindoruthie]

Is that Luke Kelly?

I preferred when he did On Raglan Road.

[ianvs4]

that's a hemiola not a polyrhytm.

[mp3guy]

Whatever you're referring too, you're probably correct, and it's probably both. There's a lot of things in music that have two different explanations.

[AlexiLaiho227]

yeah polymeter just is another word for polyrhythm and hemoila is what you're explaining as a "polymeter" in this video

[mp3guy]

No, a 5:3 polyrhythm is not the same as a 5:3 polymeter for example. I can send you the sheet music explaining it if you want.

[AlexiLaiho227]

sure that would be appreciated.

[mp3guy]

Alright, I'll private message you the stuff in a while

[AlexiLaiho227]

k thx :D

[audioslav3ry]

great job!!that was really enlightening!

[mickaellenel]

thanks for that video!!!really interesting

[dstryr420x]

I like your trampoline-- most badass part of your setup lol!

Good explanation though man. What kind of drum brain are you using for your kit? Samples sound pretty good. Ever try EZDrummer? Sorry if you answered this somewhere else

[mp3guy]

The samples are the stock ones which come on the DD-502 brain, they're shit :P

I have an alesis trigger iO I use with BFD 1.5 when I'm playing proper stuff and want a good sound, you can hear that in my Xaoc Drum Tracking video.

I also recently did a mod to the pads to make them all mesh heads.

[omargan3m]

i like how u used meshuggah as an example :}

[AlchemicalAscendancy]

Your a great teacher bro! thanx for the lesson<:}

[janken919]

How many bars does it take a 5/4 and a 3/4 to match up?

[mp3guy]

It takes 3 by 5 quarter notes, which is one bar of 15/4. So after three bars of 5/4 and five bars of 3/4 they will match up

[janken919]

That makes sense, thankyou.

[wildbill1240]

really well done, thanks for the audio and visual explanation