@marinenick100 Just my opinion here, but there are a few issues to work out with this round before it would ever be fit for duty as a service round, mainly reliable magazines. The piston system is yet to be perfected for AR type rifles as well. I've seen a lot of catastrophic failures of pistons from top tier manufacturers. I find it interesting that no 3 gun competitor (to my knowledge) runs a piston AR. I think there is a lot of promise however in this round and piston systems.
@1776PatriotTeen POF has earned the nickname POS due to catastrophic failures, among others. LWRC makes the only piston AR I would own at this time. But I have a SCAR 16S so I'll just stick to that.
@MrSurgicalPrecision Okay see how you only named ONE manufacturer? That basically right there means that you probably have had one or multiple bad experiences with JUST that manufacturer. I personally have not had any problems with all of the manufacturers that I've encountered. You're opinion and experiences are valid, BUT to make a blanket statement like that is not really a logic thought process. Adams Arms is the number one selling piston system out there for a reason.
@1776PatriotTeen All retro fit piston systems suffer from carrier tilt. They've done a number of things to decrease it but they've been bandaids on a serious problem. There have been failures with Adams Arms kits as well. I like the idea of the piston kits, I think it's just a little ways from being perfected. For all of the problems it solves it introduces a whole new set of problems. Just google Adams Arms piston failure and do a little reading, you'll see. People have had them go tits up too.
@MrSurgicalPrecision Oh yea I absolutely agree with the carrier tilt, however here's a little known fact for you. Did you know that DI rifles have that problem too, to a MINIMAL extent? The AR15 I want to build will experience as much tilt as a DI rifle. ADCOR Defense B.E.A.R. System w/ FailZero, receiver extension w/ FailZero, and the new carrier-buffer modification to the bolt carrier that has a polymer rear so it doesn't abrase the receiver extension. That's a solution. And it's just better.
@1776PatriotTeen Op rod failures are common too. When your op rod breaks you've got a single shot. DI doesn't break. It just gets dirty. Oil it and it will run again. When a piston system goes down, it's done. I'm not trying to talk you out of a piston AR. If that's what you want by all means go for it. I'll stick to my DI ARs and rifles that were designed to be piston operated from the beginning, like my SCAR. You might take a look at the new anti tilt buffers while you're considering parts.
@MrSurgicalPrecision But see that's where you're wrong. I have an ADCOR B.E.A.R. system that has a forward charging handle, which is also non-reciprocating unlike your SCAR, and I can fire the rifle single shot if it ever got that way, which it wouldn't because the op-rod is made of a better steel than the bolt. The other thing is that it's a long stroke piston, just like an AK. Oh and for those anti-tilt buffers, also a band-aid. I have a carrier buffer for no metal on metal contact.
@SSgt24thMEU The 6.5 Grendel has ballistics almost identical to a .308 shooting a 175 grain SMK. It's surprisingly flat shooting for such a small cartridge.
@MrSurgicalPrecision Very nice. Would you say the Grendel has comparable performance to the 6.8 SPC in terms of accuracy, or better? I think I need to get myself one.
@MrSurgicalPrecision I also see that you are using Sierra bullets, so that would make a huge difference. How is it on deer? I need a shorter range deer rifle, since I've been using my .300 Win Mag, but at crazy distances.
@SSgt24thMEU For deer I would use the Hornady 129 gr SST and it is a great whitetail round. Inside of 400 yards it will put them down hard with good shot placement. The Barnes 120 gr TTSX is a good bullet for the longer shots with a Grendel.
Now as far as impact and report goes one of your other videos sounds dead on. ("6.5 Grendel, 500 yard group on steel") 1000yds is a long ways.Who knows what I'm hearing on the target cam? Interesting anyway.
@sro680 Ok listen really close on that video and you will hear the bullet impact back at the target camera. That target has been hit with 3 different rangefinders and they all pop back 508 yards. 1000 yards is nothing, when I finish my ,338 Lapua I'm going to show people what long range really means.
I don't get on here just to blast off critical comments. Just saying what I heard. I heard the impact, the echo of the supersonic crack and what I believed to be a report. Although the said report was very quiet. If it's 400yds good shoot'n. If it's 1000yds great shooti'n! Hope when I build my 6.5 Grendel I get those kind of 1000yd results.
@sro680 Honestly I think it's piss poor for 1000 yards. I have much better groups @ 1000 yards with the Grendel and other calibers. 400 yards is easy, not even what I consider long range. For me, long shots start @ 600 yards.
@marmaladekamikaze I do good to get 12 inch 5 shot groups at this range. Most generally it hovers a lot closer to 18 inches. That's with a different barrel than what I'm using in this video.
Not bad shoot'n! But, the amount of time between the crack of the bullet and the report of the rifle indicates something more like a 400yd shot. Very cool to be able to hear that though without being in the line of fire.
@sro680 You're not hearing the report of the rifle. The camera is facing the target and the mic doesn't pick it up. It's the supersonic crack of the bullet you're hearing followed by the echo.
@Glockcrazy19 Like he said, it is different burn rates, densities, shapes, but also temperatures, and cleanliness. Some "single base" powders are nitroglycerin or nitrocelulose, while "double base" powders are both. Some, such as Hodgdon H110 and some Winchester powders, will misbehave at low pressures and cause high-pressure spikes which can be extremely dangerous.
@ the king. Ummm idk where u get your info from but the 6.8 only does about 2575/2600 fps out of a 16 inch barrel and around 2800/2850 out of a 24inch. That's y I chose to go with a 24inch. U can reach out at 600 yards with a 16inxh but with the 24 u can push it to about 750. Which is good enough for me. I use my 7mm mag for anything further than that.
I was thinking around 2800 too but I use hornady 110 grain bthp rounds. I would think 110 grain would be faster than 115 but I can be wrong seeing that there's so many powders out there. I use my 7mm mag for long range shots.
@1fast10r I just used the 115 grain SMK as an example since it's most likely the flattest shooting bullet for the 6.8. The 7 mag is a long range beast.
@1fast10r I'd guess around 2800 fps. Running that through my ballistics program you would go subsonic slightly after 700 yards. If you input 2900 fps you push that out to just under 800 yards. That's using the 115 grain Sierra Matchking and Litz data. 2900 fps would be some VERY hot handloads I imagine.
@1fast10r You'll have to account for a lot of spin drift. It goes subsonic around 600 yards with 115 SMKs. Those short stubby bullets don't handle the transition very well either. It's still possible though.
@Forbidenangel0 6.5-284 shooting 139 grain Lapua Scenars or 140 grain Hornady A Maxes, but at 500 yards. My 5.56 will shoot through it at 25 yards as well but those have been patched up. I don't own a gun that will shoot through it at this range........... yet.
@Forbidenangel0 I've shot the crap out of this plate at 500 with the .308 and 175 grain SMKs. It barely scars it, really comparable to the Grendel for damage. The YET rifle for punching through at 1000 is a .338 Lapua firing 300 grain bullets. I'm pretty sure I'll get complete pass throughs with it ;)
@semiautoriflelover Just a standard video camera, we just leave it run and then I rip all the footage down in my editor. I'm doing the picture in picture now and the videos come out a lot better than this one. Also we shoot steel generally, just works better on camera.
@MrSurgicalPrecision I can't edit yet. I need steel bad so I don't have to bore people with me walking back and forth to camera. My camera records in quicktime and it took me a while to convert to windows format, now I just need to learn to edit.
@MegaGewehr I had a 6.8, I just sold the upper and built my latest 5.56. 26" barrel for a 6.8, what a fuckin idiot. Like the target cam, check out the remastered version of this video. pic in pic.
Thanks for the input - I was initially looking into the Alexander Arms before I found a number of fairly negative reviews about the quality/fit & finish and dug up a lot of great information about the overall quality of Sabre (although not anything specific on their Grendel target uppers).
@bllw69 It does, it's just that the video quality is so poor on this one that you can't see it very well. We've switched to white paint since this video and it shows a lot better. It marks a little better than a 168 gr SMK from my .308 actually.
@MrSurgicalPrecision I noticed in another video you could see the hit but it was hard to see it clear. Any time someone says they don't like the AR15 because it doesn't have stopping power I tell them you can get it in 7.62x39, 6.8spc, 6.5 etc. I want to put together a 6.5 next. Nice videos I subbed.
@DD826 Do yourself a favor if you want to shoot Grendel, get into handloading or find someone you trust to handload for you. Components are easier to find than ammo, trust me. The bench cam was on a tripod, the problem was it was setting ON the bench. This was one of the first long range videos we filmed and we've since learned it's better to be behind the shooter or just looking at the shooter with the target cam as secondary with pic in pic. Ckeck my more recent vids to see what I mean.
@MrSurgicalPrecision Thanks for the advice. I liked you videos, wasn't trying to be critical. But, I assumed the camera was on the bench, I was suggesting lik a camera tripod. It seems that way on the ammo, waited 5 months for my Alexander Arms 6.5 GDMR and now am on my 7th waiting for the Alexander 123 gr, ammo.
They tried to talk me into the Hornady ammo, but I am thinking, it is not at good.
@DD826 The Hornady ammo is actually pretty good according to most of the reports over at the 65Grendel forum. But it gets bought up as soon as it hits the shelves, too. I haven't shot any of it yet. The camera is on a camera tripod, but the tripod is sitting on the bench. I got a taller one now that we set behind the shooter looking over. Works much better. You didn't sound critical at all, just friendly advice IMO. Thanks for watching.
They all will die but some of the stories coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan suggest they might not die fast enough sometimes. Accounts of guys taking 3 to the chest and still shooting back, well that seems a little scary to me. It still is getting the job done though.
Beware of stories. HA! I hear ya though. If that is what military needs then that's their deal. We as citizens getting that type of cartridge for shooting paper is were it gets silly with me. Hunting...ok. Don't get me wrong its everyone's choice what they like to shoot period.(hobby) I just see allot of emotional/ego buying. I shoot .22, 9mm, and 5.56 only, and its all I will shoot because of the cost to practice, and its proven it does the job. Allot of rounds keeps heads down. Great vids!
I agree. This guy hunts. AR platforms for hunting seem to be on the move. Which is good, because the anti-gun loons are going after them. Not sure what it will do to the bolt action market as the AR's are getting even better.
In American Rifleman they had a article showing that the army is now modifying old stored M14 rifles and re-issuing them to troops with at least one per squad. That says something when they're going back to the .308.
@Halo2100 Yeah the .308 packs a considerable wallop as opposed to the 5.56. Only downside is that the M14s are heavier and longer. Still a step in the right direction though.
They now have like a skeletal synthetic stock. The main weight they're carrying is the receiver, barrel, and what ever optic they have on it. Then of course the ammo and mags.
For you I agree it is a fantastic round because you hunt. I just shoot paper no further than 400 yards. Cost wise it just works better and is just as fun. Allot less expensive to shoot. And if the States went ape shit for whatever reason it will do the job. LOL ;-)
@JimmyGunXD556 I gotta be honest I don't hunt much and never with this rifle. This is one of my SHTF guns. I have a lot of those but this is the one I'm sure will be going with me when the shit does hit the fan. Plus it's wearing a nice shiny (actually bead blasted) new barrel.
I hear ya. The .308 can reach out and touch someone for sure and platoons need versatility. But in war I would still opt for the common platoon round. (if not a sniper) If I got isolated underfire and was out, who's got my back? The show Tactical Impact those guys, as I, like the idea of having the same ammo and opt to just have a more accurate set up on the common gun MARK12. It is easy to change out the upper for CQB on the fly vs just carrying the M14. Its fun to talk about though.
It did have a bit of kick, i was 220 pounds when I was in the USMC, never had a problem keeping bursts within 3" at 500 yards or less with a hasty sling wrap or arm sling. That's prone/kneeling/standing.
Pointless to burst though, 1 shot will do the job. Amazing weapon. Very versatile, very reliable.
spec ops rounds can take 200 pound target down at 1200 yards. Fucking amazing. Easy to hit 800 yard targets with iron sights (if 20/20 or better vision). I used it in the USMC> absolutely amazing. Multiple capabilities. Snipe, Assault, Urban room clearing. They honestly should put it in every infantryman's hands. The 5.56 is crap. Total waste of energy. 70% of the gas release is wasted on the 5.56. 7.62 just doesn't have the range.
Grendel is based on AK47 cartrige 7.62x39 scaled down from 7.62 to 6.5 ,I bet that it can be scaled even more to 6.2-6.1mm so ballistics will be amazing too and muzzle velocity will be like 3000ft/s from 16 inch barrel for cca 100 gr bullet so it will be real Assaut Rifle full power round
Already been necked down to 6mm and 5.56mm for that matter. It's the 6mm AR and it's Improved cousin is known as the 6mm AR Turbo 40. There is quite a discussion as to wether this would be a better combat round or not. My personal opinion on the matter is that the 6mm bullet would not offer much in terminal ballistics over the 5.56. I think the velocities they're getting are more like 28-2900 with 24" barrels. After all you can only push 95 gr 6.5s up to 2900 in a Grendel.
Well I wouldn't say the round itself is more accurate. It does have a higher accuracy potential since it is based on the legendary PPC case but it all depends on the rifle and the nut pullin the trigger. Ballistically they are very similar though at longer ranges.
No, not better. Both are ballistic equals in my opinion. My .308 wil shoot about as accurately as my Grendel. I wouldn't give one the edge over the other. I could and have actually done better with my 6.5-284 Norma custom.
Well the Grendel can't really compare to the .308 inside 500 yards energy wise but yeah it's pretty close. It is actually a better round for shooting past 1000 vs. the .308 as it stays supersonic out to 1400 with just the right loading.
War? The Grendel no question. Reasons? It is a lighter round that fits in an AR length mag with nearly identical ballistics to 1000 yards with substantially less felt recoil. Knockdown does suffer with the Grendel at closer ranges but improves the farther away you get. IMO the Grendel is superior to any combat round currently in use by any country in any form. The only thing close is the 7.62 (.308). That is of course excluding sniper rounds such as the .408 CheyTac and .338 Lapua and HMG rounds
and ... the barrell lenght was..?
Augustus2K12 1 month ago
@The420grower Yeah I have two of them. Great scopes for the money.
MrSurgicalPrecision 2 months ago
so you recomend 6.5 grendel over 6.8 spc? cus im thinking either one just to use for target shooting for fun!!
WoWoWeeMo 2 months ago
@WoWoWeeMo Both are good rounds, the 6.5 Grendel will just get you a lot farther. Up close they're about equal.
MrSurgicalPrecision 2 months ago
I love on the target shot at the end that you hear the round hit the target before you hear the report of the gun. =)
blownpony306 3 months ago
@blownpony306 im not hearing report from the gun . what im hearing is the bullet breaking the sound barrier still awsome shots.,..
blackriflex39 2 months ago
why the hell hasnt our military switched to this round. this round and a piston system solves our problems
marinenick100 3 months ago
@marinenick100 Just my opinion here, but there are a few issues to work out with this round before it would ever be fit for duty as a service round, mainly reliable magazines. The piston system is yet to be perfected for AR type rifles as well. I've seen a lot of catastrophic failures of pistons from top tier manufacturers. I find it interesting that no 3 gun competitor (to my knowledge) runs a piston AR. I think there is a lot of promise however in this round and piston systems.
MrSurgicalPrecision 3 months ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision Name the manufacturers. I call BS.
1776PatriotTeen 4 days ago
@1776PatriotTeen POF has earned the nickname POS due to catastrophic failures, among others. LWRC makes the only piston AR I would own at this time. But I have a SCAR 16S so I'll just stick to that.
MrSurgicalPrecision 4 days ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision Okay see how you only named ONE manufacturer? That basically right there means that you probably have had one or multiple bad experiences with JUST that manufacturer. I personally have not had any problems with all of the manufacturers that I've encountered. You're opinion and experiences are valid, BUT to make a blanket statement like that is not really a logic thought process. Adams Arms is the number one selling piston system out there for a reason.
1776PatriotTeen 4 days ago
@1776PatriotTeen All retro fit piston systems suffer from carrier tilt. They've done a number of things to decrease it but they've been bandaids on a serious problem. There have been failures with Adams Arms kits as well. I like the idea of the piston kits, I think it's just a little ways from being perfected. For all of the problems it solves it introduces a whole new set of problems. Just google Adams Arms piston failure and do a little reading, you'll see. People have had them go tits up too.
MrSurgicalPrecision 3 days ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision Oh yea I absolutely agree with the carrier tilt, however here's a little known fact for you. Did you know that DI rifles have that problem too, to a MINIMAL extent? The AR15 I want to build will experience as much tilt as a DI rifle. ADCOR Defense B.E.A.R. System w/ FailZero, receiver extension w/ FailZero, and the new carrier-buffer modification to the bolt carrier that has a polymer rear so it doesn't abrase the receiver extension. That's a solution. And it's just better.
1776PatriotTeen 3 days ago
@1776PatriotTeen Op rod failures are common too. When your op rod breaks you've got a single shot. DI doesn't break. It just gets dirty. Oil it and it will run again. When a piston system goes down, it's done. I'm not trying to talk you out of a piston AR. If that's what you want by all means go for it. I'll stick to my DI ARs and rifles that were designed to be piston operated from the beginning, like my SCAR. You might take a look at the new anti tilt buffers while you're considering parts.
MrSurgicalPrecision 2 days ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision But see that's where you're wrong. I have an ADCOR B.E.A.R. system that has a forward charging handle, which is also non-reciprocating unlike your SCAR, and I can fire the rifle single shot if it ever got that way, which it wouldn't because the op-rod is made of a better steel than the bolt. The other thing is that it's a long stroke piston, just like an AK. Oh and for those anti-tilt buffers, also a band-aid. I have a carrier buffer for no metal on metal contact.
1776PatriotTeen 2 days ago
I never realized the Grendel is this accurate. I've pushed a .308 to 1100 yards on a benchrest, and almost got the mile with .300 Win Mag.
SSgt24thMEU 4 months ago
@SSgt24thMEU The 6.5 Grendel has ballistics almost identical to a .308 shooting a 175 grain SMK. It's surprisingly flat shooting for such a small cartridge.
MrSurgicalPrecision 4 months ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision Very nice. Would you say the Grendel has comparable performance to the 6.8 SPC in terms of accuracy, or better? I think I need to get myself one.
SSgt24thMEU 4 months ago
@SSgt24thMEU Much better than the 6.8 SPC, especially at the longer ranges.
MrSurgicalPrecision 4 months ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision I also see that you are using Sierra bullets, so that would make a huge difference. How is it on deer? I need a shorter range deer rifle, since I've been using my .300 Win Mag, but at crazy distances.
SSgt24thMEU 4 months ago
@SSgt24thMEU For deer I would use the Hornady 129 gr SST and it is a great whitetail round. Inside of 400 yards it will put them down hard with good shot placement. The Barnes 120 gr TTSX is a good bullet for the longer shots with a Grendel.
MrSurgicalPrecision 4 months ago
Real good shooting. I can do 800 yards or as we call it in Australia, 730m with my .303
powmful 5 months ago
how do you think you would do with a 16 inch barrel
NuKKaSaM 6 months ago
@NuKKaSaM Probably not bad.
MrSurgicalPrecision 6 months ago
Thumbs up if you jumped a little when he started talking...
Ultranothing 7 months ago 5
@Ultranothing Yeah I don't know how the audio got so screwed up on this video.
MrSurgicalPrecision 7 months ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision Nobody will thumbs up...too tough and proud :)
"I didn't jump! I have nerves of steel!" Yeah, ok. I had my volume up all the way and nearly sharted.
Ultranothing 7 months ago
Now as far as impact and report goes one of your other videos sounds dead on. ("6.5 Grendel, 500 yard group on steel") 1000yds is a long ways.Who knows what I'm hearing on the target cam? Interesting anyway.
sro680 10 months ago
@sro680 Ok listen really close on that video and you will hear the bullet impact back at the target camera. That target has been hit with 3 different rangefinders and they all pop back 508 yards. 1000 yards is nothing, when I finish my ,338 Lapua I'm going to show people what long range really means.
MrSurgicalPrecision 10 months ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision good luck with your .338 lapua beast round for sure :)
NarowAR07 7 months ago
I don't get on here just to blast off critical comments. Just saying what I heard. I heard the impact, the echo of the supersonic crack and what I believed to be a report. Although the said report was very quiet. If it's 400yds good shoot'n. If it's 1000yds great shooti'n! Hope when I build my 6.5 Grendel I get those kind of 1000yd results.
sro680 10 months ago
@sro680 Honestly I think it's piss poor for 1000 yards. I have much better groups @ 1000 yards with the Grendel and other calibers. 400 yards is easy, not even what I consider long range. For me, long shots start @ 600 yards.
MrSurgicalPrecision 10 months ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision
What is your grouping like at 1000 yards with the Grendel?
marmaladekamikaze 8 months ago
@marmaladekamikaze I do good to get 12 inch 5 shot groups at this range. Most generally it hovers a lot closer to 18 inches. That's with a different barrel than what I'm using in this video.
MrSurgicalPrecision 8 months ago
Not bad shoot'n! But, the amount of time between the crack of the bullet and the report of the rifle indicates something more like a 400yd shot. Very cool to be able to hear that though without being in the line of fire.
sro680 10 months ago
@sro680 You're not hearing the report of the rifle. The camera is facing the target and the mic doesn't pick it up. It's the supersonic crack of the bullet you're hearing followed by the echo.
MrSurgicalPrecision 10 months ago
@sro680 Not to mention at any range under 800 you can hear the bullet impact on steel back at the target cam.
MrSurgicalPrecision 10 months ago
I'd wish I owned a firearm, to go target shooting. Dag, money is tight.
MegaLaidback 11 months ago
hey man, idk anything about reloading..whats the difference between all the different powders?
Glockcrazy19 11 months ago
@Glockcrazy19 Faster or slower burn rates.
MrSurgicalPrecision 10 months ago
@Glockcrazy19 Like he said, it is different burn rates, densities, shapes, but also temperatures, and cleanliness. Some "single base" powders are nitroglycerin or nitrocelulose, while "double base" powders are both. Some, such as Hodgdon H110 and some Winchester powders, will misbehave at low pressures and cause high-pressure spikes which can be extremely dangerous.
AreThereNoMoreNames 10 months ago
one guy didn't like this video, must have been a jealous .308 owner.
semiautoriflelover 11 months ago
hang that metel from a planters hook and it will give a audible ring ...loud
dills2403 1 year ago
@ the king. Ummm idk where u get your info from but the 6.8 only does about 2575/2600 fps out of a 16 inch barrel and around 2800/2850 out of a 24inch. That's y I chose to go with a 24inch. U can reach out at 600 yards with a 16inxh but with the 24 u can push it to about 750. Which is good enough for me. I use my 7mm mag for anything further than that.
1fast10r 1 year ago
I was thinking around 2800 too but I use hornady 110 grain bthp rounds. I would think 110 grain would be faster than 115 but I can be wrong seeing that there's so many powders out there. I use my 7mm mag for long range shots.
1fast10r 1 year ago
@1fast10r I just used the 115 grain SMK as an example since it's most likely the flattest shooting bullet for the 6.8. The 7 mag is a long range beast.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
I have the 6.8spc coming out of a 24inch ss bull barrel. Does anyone know how many fps I'm gettn out the barrel?
1fast10r 1 year ago
@1fast10r I'd guess around 2800 fps. Running that through my ballistics program you would go subsonic slightly after 700 yards. If you input 2900 fps you push that out to just under 800 yards. That's using the 115 grain Sierra Matchking and Litz data. 2900 fps would be some VERY hot handloads I imagine.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
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THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS 1 year ago
@1fast10r
Get a Chrono. They're not that much and if you are in good with your gun store, they may let you borrow one.
there are too many variables ie. bullet weight, powder, case brand and type... the list goes on.
teachagmech 1 year ago
Nice video. I wonder if I could hit 1000 yards with my 6.8spc.
1fast10r 1 year ago
@1fast10r You'll have to account for a lot of spin drift. It goes subsonic around 600 yards with 115 SMKs. Those short stubby bullets don't handle the transition very well either. It's still possible though.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
Nice, I have the Beowulf .50, Ive been thinking of purchasing one of these next, worth it ?
BigIrick 1 year ago
@BigIrick Very worth it. Best round out for an AR unless you're into serious wildcat rounds, then the 6mm AR Turbo 40* is top dog.
I've been thinkng about building myself a Beowulf.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
Let me know please with you come up with a bullet grain / powder combination to fire 6.5 Grendel sub-sonic. Cycling the next round would be a plus.
paperlanterns98 1 year ago
@paperlanterns98 No experience there. I'll send you a PM with some links though.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
what gun did you use to put holes in that plate
Forbidenangel0 1 year ago
@Forbidenangel0 6.5-284 shooting 139 grain Lapua Scenars or 140 grain Hornady A Maxes, but at 500 yards. My 5.56 will shoot through it at 25 yards as well but those have been patched up. I don't own a gun that will shoot through it at this range........... yet.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision hahaha love the yet well i wasnt for sure what to smaller caliber will at those ranges mabe the .308?
Forbidenangel0 1 year ago
@Forbidenangel0 I've shot the crap out of this plate at 500 with the .308 and 175 grain SMKs. It barely scars it, really comparable to the Grendel for damage. The YET rifle for punching through at 1000 is a .338 Lapua firing 300 grain bullets. I'm pretty sure I'll get complete pass throughs with it ;)
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision Oh, if I get my Desert Tactical Arms SRS there will be videos for sure!
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision haha i wanna see that know haha youtube hunt
Forbidenangel0 1 year ago
Cool!
BansheeArms 1 year ago
Is that a target cam or a standard video camera?
semiautoriflelover 1 year ago
@semiautoriflelover Just a standard video camera, we just leave it run and then I rip all the footage down in my editor. I'm doing the picture in picture now and the videos come out a lot better than this one. Also we shoot steel generally, just works better on camera.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision I can't edit yet. I need steel bad so I don't have to bore people with me walking back and forth to camera. My camera records in quicktime and it took me a while to convert to windows format, now I just need to learn to edit.
semiautoriflelover 1 year ago
Well, you've proven your not a dumb ass by going with the 6.8. Saw a guy on ARFCOM the other day who had a 6.8 AR upper with a 26" bbl, lol.
Loved the second camera at the end. Good idea. *tink*
MegaGewehr 1 year ago
@MegaGewehr I had a 6.8, I just sold the upper and built my latest 5.56. 26" barrel for a 6.8, what a fuckin idiot. Like the target cam, check out the remastered version of this video. pic in pic.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision who makes the barrel on that 6.5? And what length is it? Thanks
Navyp250 1 year ago
@Navyp250 It's a 24" 1 in 8" twist from Alexander Arms (made by ER Shaw).
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
I'm sold on a 6.5mm Sabre Defence 24" upper as my next purchase.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
@10mmTroy I'm now running a 24" Sabre barrel on the billet upper. I love mine.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision
Thanks for the input - I was initially looking into the Alexander Arms before I found a number of fairly negative reviews about the quality/fit & finish and dug up a lot of great information about the overall quality of Sabre (although not anything specific on their Grendel target uppers).
10mmTroy 1 year ago
It won't even make a mark on the metal at 1000?
bllw69 1 year ago
@bllw69 It does, it's just that the video quality is so poor on this one that you can't see it very well. We've switched to white paint since this video and it shows a lot better. It marks a little better than a 168 gr SMK from my .308 actually.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision I noticed in another video you could see the hit but it was hard to see it clear. Any time someone says they don't like the AR15 because it doesn't have stopping power I tell them you can get it in 7.62x39, 6.8spc, 6.5 etc. I want to put together a 6.5 next. Nice videos I subbed.
bllw69 1 year ago
@bllw69 Nice, thanks for subbing. I love the 6.8 and the 6.5, the 7.62 would be cool too but I don't have one of those.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
@bllw69
Neither will a 7.62. If you want to leave a huge dent at 1,000 yards, use a .338 Lapua. It retains over 1,000 Ft-Lb's at that distance.
SecularTechnology 1 year ago
@SecularTechnology
7.62 actually has less retained energy over distance than a 6.5mm - just adding to your statement.
10mmTroy 1 year ago
Nice vid. Maybe put the bench camera on a tripod next time.
I bought, the Alex Arms. 6.5 GDMR recently still waiting (7months) for the 123 gr. ammo.
5 months wait for the rifle and 7 months for the ammo. Bill Alexander, 'you have some e(s)plaining to do"! lol
DD826 1 year ago
@DD826 Do yourself a favor if you want to shoot Grendel, get into handloading or find someone you trust to handload for you. Components are easier to find than ammo, trust me. The bench cam was on a tripod, the problem was it was setting ON the bench. This was one of the first long range videos we filmed and we've since learned it's better to be behind the shooter or just looking at the shooter with the target cam as secondary with pic in pic. Ckeck my more recent vids to see what I mean.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
@MrSurgicalPrecision Thanks for the advice. I liked you videos, wasn't trying to be critical. But, I assumed the camera was on the bench, I was suggesting lik a camera tripod. It seems that way on the ammo, waited 5 months for my Alexander Arms 6.5 GDMR and now am on my 7th waiting for the Alexander 123 gr, ammo.
They tried to talk me into the Hornady ammo, but I am thinking, it is not at good.
Good luck with your film making.
DD826 1 year ago
@DD826 The Hornady ammo is actually pretty good according to most of the reports over at the 65Grendel forum. But it gets bought up as soon as it hits the shelves, too. I haven't shot any of it yet. The camera is on a camera tripod, but the tripod is sitting on the bench. I got a taller one now that we set behind the shooter looking over. Works much better. You didn't sound critical at all, just friendly advice IMO. Thanks for watching.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
Nice shot groups. What optics are you using?
Emery98 1 year ago
@Emery98 In this video a 20X Super Sniper from SWFA.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
Its a good round, accuracy of the 5.56 stoping power of the 7.62. Nice upload Im looking at the Sabre Defence 6.5 upper.
SHUNT311 1 year ago
@SHUNT311 I now have a Sabre Defence 24" barrel on this rifle. It's very good quality.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
Did the rounds keyhold at all?
esh325 1 year ago
@esh325 No perfect circular pattern.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
Wow, still going over the speed of sound at that range.
F35B2009 1 year ago
@F35B2009 Yep. The 123 grain Scenar can stay supersonic out to around 1400 yards with the right load.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
What impresses me about this video is the impact (and perceived energy) the Grendel still had when it hit that target.
Very nice indeed.
Snapper314 2 years ago
Yeah the round packs almost as much punch as a .308 168 grain at this range.
MrSurgicalPrecision 2 years ago
I never meet a guy that refused to die because I shot him with a 5.56.
JimmyGunXD556 2 years ago
They all will die but some of the stories coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan suggest they might not die fast enough sometimes. Accounts of guys taking 3 to the chest and still shooting back, well that seems a little scary to me. It still is getting the job done though.
MrSurgicalPrecision 2 years ago
Beware of stories. HA! I hear ya though. If that is what military needs then that's their deal. We as citizens getting that type of cartridge for shooting paper is were it gets silly with me. Hunting...ok. Don't get me wrong its everyone's choice what they like to shoot period.(hobby) I just see allot of emotional/ego buying. I shoot .22, 9mm, and 5.56 only, and its all I will shoot because of the cost to practice, and its proven it does the job. Allot of rounds keeps heads down. Great vids!
MyFartsRock 2 years ago
I agree. This guy hunts. AR platforms for hunting seem to be on the move. Which is good, because the anti-gun loons are going after them. Not sure what it will do to the bolt action market as the AR's are getting even better.
JimmyGunXD556 2 years ago
In American Rifleman they had a article showing that the army is now modifying old stored M14 rifles and re-issuing them to troops with at least one per squad. That says something when they're going back to the .308.
Halo2100 2 years ago
@Halo2100 Yeah the .308 packs a considerable wallop as opposed to the 5.56. Only downside is that the M14s are heavier and longer. Still a step in the right direction though.
MrSurgicalPrecision 2 years ago
They now have like a skeletal synthetic stock. The main weight they're carrying is the receiver, barrel, and what ever optic they have on it. Then of course the ammo and mags.
Halo2100 2 years ago
For you I agree it is a fantastic round because you hunt. I just shoot paper no further than 400 yards. Cost wise it just works better and is just as fun. Allot less expensive to shoot. And if the States went ape shit for whatever reason it will do the job. LOL ;-)
JimmyGunXD556 2 years ago
@JimmyGunXD556 I gotta be honest I don't hunt much and never with this rifle. This is one of my SHTF guns. I have a lot of those but this is the one I'm sure will be going with me when the shit does hit the fan. Plus it's wearing a nice shiny (actually bead blasted) new barrel.
MrSurgicalPrecision 1 year ago
I hear ya. The .308 can reach out and touch someone for sure and platoons need versatility. But in war I would still opt for the common platoon round. (if not a sniper) If I got isolated underfire and was out, who's got my back? The show Tactical Impact those guys, as I, like the idea of having the same ammo and opt to just have a more accurate set up on the common gun MARK12. It is easy to change out the upper for CQB on the fly vs just carrying the M14. Its fun to talk about though.
JimmyGunXD556 2 years ago
It did have a bit of kick, i was 220 pounds when I was in the USMC, never had a problem keeping bursts within 3" at 500 yards or less with a hasty sling wrap or arm sling. That's prone/kneeling/standing.
Pointless to burst though, 1 shot will do the job. Amazing weapon. Very versatile, very reliable.
floweroscottland 2 years ago
spec ops rounds can take 200 pound target down at 1200 yards. Fucking amazing. Easy to hit 800 yard targets with iron sights (if 20/20 or better vision). I used it in the USMC> absolutely amazing. Multiple capabilities. Snipe, Assault, Urban room clearing. They honestly should put it in every infantryman's hands. The 5.56 is crap. Total waste of energy. 70% of the gas release is wasted on the 5.56. 7.62 just doesn't have the range.
floweroscottland 2 years ago
Grendel is based on AK47 cartrige 7.62x39 scaled down from 7.62 to 6.5 ,I bet that it can be scaled even more to 6.2-6.1mm so ballistics will be amazing too and muzzle velocity will be like 3000ft/s from 16 inch barrel for cca 100 gr bullet so it will be real Assaut Rifle full power round
ww2footage 2 years ago
Already been necked down to 6mm and 5.56mm for that matter. It's the 6mm AR and it's Improved cousin is known as the 6mm AR Turbo 40. There is quite a discussion as to wether this would be a better combat round or not. My personal opinion on the matter is that the 6mm bullet would not offer much in terminal ballistics over the 5.56. I think the velocities they're getting are more like 28-2900 with 24" barrels. After all you can only push 95 gr 6.5s up to 2900 in a Grendel.
MrSurgicalPrecision 2 years ago
From any distance, I think a 6.5mm grendel would provide a significant increase in lethality. More diameter and foot pounds of energy.
esh325 2 years ago
I HATE MIRAGE!!!
drbackjack 2 years ago
wow, the 6.5 mm is more even more accurate than a .308...amazing :)
Zolotros 2 years ago
Well I wouldn't say the round itself is more accurate. It does have a higher accuracy potential since it is based on the legendary PPC case but it all depends on the rifle and the nut pullin the trigger. Ballistically they are very similar though at longer ranges.
MrSurgicalPrecision 2 years ago
So you could have done better with a .308?
esh325 2 years ago
No, not better. Both are ballistic equals in my opinion. My .308 wil shoot about as accurately as my Grendel. I wouldn't give one the edge over the other. I could and have actually done better with my 6.5-284 Norma custom.
MrSurgicalPrecision 2 years ago
So .308 performance in a much smaller package basicly?
esh325 2 years ago
Well the Grendel can't really compare to the .308 inside 500 yards energy wise but yeah it's pretty close. It is actually a better round for shooting past 1000 vs. the .308 as it stays supersonic out to 1400 with just the right loading.
MrSurgicalPrecision 2 years ago
What about felt recoil? could you compare .308 to the 6.5 Grendel? Which round would you pick if you were in a theatre of war?
marmaladekamikaze 2 years ago
War? The Grendel no question. Reasons? It is a lighter round that fits in an AR length mag with nearly identical ballistics to 1000 yards with substantially less felt recoil. Knockdown does suffer with the Grendel at closer ranges but improves the farther away you get. IMO the Grendel is superior to any combat round currently in use by any country in any form. The only thing close is the 7.62 (.308). That is of course excluding sniper rounds such as the .408 CheyTac and .338 Lapua and HMG rounds
MrSurgicalPrecision 2 years ago
cool nice shooting keep the shooting vids coming like the target cam to
whipnot 2 years ago
Nice shooting. 5 stars
Thirsty4stalin 2 years ago