12 Tone Serialism

[geoffreyefloyd]

I'm not a believer in 12 tone rows, I think it's just a cool way to make noise. Just my opinion.

[WoriTomatoes]

i havent gotten this all down yet, but i think you're supposed to count the number of half steps, not lines and spaces

[MisterHowe]

@WoriTomatoes Agreed. It's not about lines and spaces, it's about intervals.

[naviglec]

@WoriTomatoes This was made for people with limited (if any) understanding of music, It had to be extremely simplistic, thats why I've said "lines and spaces" It didn't matter in the context of the presentation. but you are right, it is intervals.

[mjazzguitar]

I would like to hear the original, inversion, retrograde, and retrograde inversions together. I assume it could sound like cacophony at times yet still possessing a kind of logic.

[lawalamp]

beautiful!

[gonrolgonrol]

At 1.23, should not 6 down be D and not a C (blue notes)?

[SupeerrRAD]

Thanks! This helped us a lot! :) cool voice by the way.

[SupeerrRAD]

What's your accent? :)

[paolosilv]

You like 12 tones in your cereal ? I prefer raisins.

[acceptedones]

My music theory class recently learned about retrogrades, inversions, and retrograded inversions. It was strange, but quite helpful for future use.

[bathotic]

*Thanks.

[bathotic]

Tanks!

[1399jn]

you have an amazing voice :) you should try out for voice overs! 

[sortabli]

Fantastic!

[oelon]

I would love to see parts 2 and 3 of this video!

[wewillprosper]

i like your filming technique in this :) nicely done!

[1xstew]

All well and good . . but what's the bloody point in doing all this !!

[MilfordMilliwickian]

Thank you! I'm helping a non-English speaker study music literature in English (long story), but have only basic music theory myself. I can now finally understand a bit of the theory behind the movement we are talking about. Well taught!

[snofthndr]

I think your inversion might be wrong. You have to use the chromatic scale when doing an inversion and it seems that you failed to do so resulting in the equivocation of a B to a C...

[witness124]

I didn't really think it was a good idea to explain serialism to a person who doesn't yet understand the treble and bass clef, however, your video was very informative, and nicely explained.

[aculturemind]

(part 2) The format I described below allows anyone to 'present' with their own 'style'.

On the other hand, one can show musical examples and the cultural and aesthetic conditions that supported/informed them. No 'technical' details are required.

[aculturemind]

I don't know what happened to my original post.

I do think this video fails. As in political matters, inaccurate information = poor interpretations of and hence choices about things.

When I introduce people to music, I start with Bach and Beethoven - basic harmony and variations techniques - then Wagner (which everybody knows some of), touch on Debussey/Ravel, and then discuss dodecaphony, revealing the aesthetic/emotional directives that led to these.

[naviglec]

@aculturemind This film was not designed for someone who already has an exceptional knowledge of music theory. As a creative and artsitic way to describe a foreign concept (serialism) to a room of people that mostly cant read music I don't think this fails. It was not the films intention look deeply at serialism. It was there to make them aware of the concept of serialism in the first place. I know one of the inversions is wrong, also one accidentally got cut off in post production.

[naviglec]

@aculturemind also did you delete your first post? I don't mind discussing the film.

[naviglec]

@aculturemind This film was meant to provide a simple explanation of a difficult concept to a group that was not nessecarily musical. It was for a presentation that had to be under 10 minutes and was about Stockhausen, but we could talk about anything that interested us when we began researching him. Although this was by no means the most important thing about Stockhausens work it undeniably is worth mentioning when thinking about him.

There are flaws in the film, i'm no expert on music theory.

[compoundmeter]

This is awesome - a concise, clear way to explain this odd compositional technique. The visual and audio examples are really well done. I have also been looking for a good way to introduce my music theory students to the concept of serialism. Thank you!

[JASONE1986]

very informative

[Keithchui2006]

Very useful!

Great!

[MrGarethC]

This is fantastic! :) Ive been needing to find a decent way to explain Schoenberg's 12 Tone =) Thankyou! **Is doing Music GCSE** ^_^ Muchly appreciated.

[poulter5150]

this is good I hope you're goin into teaching

[Bradmetal243]

lol this is awesome :-D, have been studying serialism for about a term now and that just made it fun

[grismas]

forgot to draw C sharp on reversed one :)

[pjh206]

amazing film, love it

[barnumeffect5]

I like the colored note heads, i used them in Finale. It helps understand these ideas a lot easier.

[richardson2602]

i have been trying to understand this for ages thank you a great help!