@punxsutawneybarney For example: you could say 1+2=3 and i could give one of your rebuttals which would be "No, 2+3 does not equal 3." Even though that rebuttal is correct; it's not relevant.
@vipent5 In WTC (and many other buildings) Normally, the fire official of the specific floor has the emergency key! If he/she weren't there, no one could go to the stairwell, but most of the doors open only from inside to prevent unauthorized access!
"Something else had to go on here, something else was going on here this just don't happen when a plane hits the 80th floor of a building and the lobby gets blown out"--FDNY Battalion chief on 9/11
I don't think that Schroeder is lying on purpose. He is a true hero that was one of the first on the scene that day. Reality however, is that he must be in a fog from the tragedy of events. He is confused trying to piece back together a very tragic day, and it's the truthers that have been trying to help him with the details. I'll be that if I told him that it was me that saved him he would hug me and thank me and in time even remember me. He is wrong about timelines and the collapses
GRIMSTORMS wrote: Its hard for me to believe that Schroeder is being ironic to discredit Rodriguez. If it is irony its extremely subtle in its delivery and he was running the risk of people taking him seriously (which is the case) and totally ruining his reputation. It would be much easier to just say flatly that Willie is full of shit if that is the case. If he ever says this was meant to be ironic I'll believe it but until then I think we will just have to disagree on this matter.
Your so called contradictions are for the most part either misinterpretations or exaggerations that you happen to catch in the fireman's story.
Did the stairway fall? Probably not. Did rubble start to fill the stairway? According to your source. Yes. Either way, did it become difficult to move in the stairway? Yes.
The sources that you credit are no more factual the the story that this man told. The whole thing is a he-said she-said. Nobody but the dead know what really happened.
@MusicalAthlete0 Bullshit. He said tower one fell before tower two. He said 30 floors of fire when there were six. His timeline doesn't mesh with known facts. He keeps forgetting the name of the man that supposedly saved a dozen firemen's lives. And listen to his tone when he says "He saved our lives, man" on Jack Blood.
all firemen tell exactly the same story after every traumatic event, especially years after. with limited or no visibility, often feeling their way through the smoke, the firemen always tell the same story. yes, 100% of the time. and the firemen also have detailed structural plans that they refer to before the fire and they constantly review to the plans years afterwards to relive the trauma. by the way, i have this bridge that i'll give you a great deal on. SOPHOMORIC PSYOPS VIDEO!
flatulencer, my video clearly shows that there were two stairways at each end of the hall, and one in the middle. The firemen could not have been lost. There was no fire on that floor. Furthermore, Willie does not claim that he rescued Mr. Schroeder or any of the dozen other FDNY personnel Mr. Schroeder credits him with saving. You're making up your facts.
WHAT? The 'point' here is that Schroeder's tale is garbled, confused, rambling, mixed-up and careless in order to 'show' us that Rodriguez's story is bullshit? But more than several dozen people substantially confirm Rodriguez's story.
Re: the 'question' about the key -- punxs... credibility is far more an issue here, as he hasn't done the most minimal research to know that the central firestairs of WTC 1 & 2 were interrupted on each floor with locked doors and hallways. His 'point' is BS.
@punxsutawneybarney well the assholes that are running the health care facility I live in do such a thing with our emergency exits to keep potential burglars out.
So it's not that unthinkable, in real life regulations often don't mean shit, and only when people get hurt because of this lack of consideration for people's safety and only when those in charge of people's safety get caught you will sometimes hear about it, locked emergency doors are not at all as unlikely as you seem to think here.
@paarsefrikandel We didn't hear about locked fire exits from any credible person, but only in the self-serving testimony from the con artist Willie Rodriguez, who stole his story from a true 9/11 hero, Pablo Ortiz.
arayalrio, John Schroeder walked into a burning building when everybody else was walking out and I think he deserves our respect and gratitude. This video puts forth a speculative thesis about Mr. Schroeder's motivations. I don't like your judgmental attitude. You don't know what health problems Mr. Schroeder may have had. You even criticize his accent.
I'm glad I'm not alone in buying this guy's story. No health problems, no PTSD, but a total "been there done that" attitude about things. Liar.
Some probably see his detail about the body in the closet as further proof of govt involvement, but this evidence is just too neat and clean and silly to be believed.
Not even worth the effort fool.
90longo 1 month ago
@90longo Would you care to explain why?
punxsutawneybarney 1 month ago
@punxsutawneybarney For example: you could say 1+2=3 and i could give one of your rebuttals which would be "No, 2+3 does not equal 3." Even though that rebuttal is correct; it's not relevant.
90longo 1 month ago
@90longo Oh, OK, I see where you're coming from. Have a mice day.
punxsutawneybarney 1 month ago
@vipent5 In WTC (and many other buildings) Normally, the fire official of the specific floor has the emergency key! If he/she weren't there, no one could go to the stairwell, but most of the doors open only from inside to prevent unauthorized access!
74pbg 6 months ago
Nice Try! ;)
74pbg 6 months ago
Nice Try! ;)
74pbg 6 months ago
"Something else had to go on here, something else was going on here this just don't happen when a plane hits the 80th floor of a building and the lobby gets blown out"--FDNY Battalion chief on 9/11
vipent5 7 months ago
in fact, you claim he never got thanked. You're wrong.
He got awards and recognition from countries across the world. You just don't watch the right channels. I hope you know spanish.
watch?v=65aflt8XlIk
That's him with Felipe David, the coverage is about the 9/11 survivors William Rodriguez and Felipe David, among others.
So, yeah, this is my last post. Before you reply, research your things well before you go on discrediting the wrong people.
Thanks.
ArcanineKing 1 year ago
@ArcanineKing LOL, dude! Your video proves my point! Willie has to ambush some guy in his hospital bed to get thanked!
punxsutawneybarney 1 year ago
I don't think that Schroeder is lying on purpose. He is a true hero that was one of the first on the scene that day. Reality however, is that he must be in a fog from the tragedy of events. He is confused trying to piece back together a very tragic day, and it's the truthers that have been trying to help him with the details. I'll be that if I told him that it was me that saved him he would hug me and thank me and in time even remember me. He is wrong about timelines and the collapses
jeffmay1 2 years ago
GRIMSTORMS wrote: Its hard for me to believe that Schroeder is being ironic to discredit Rodriguez. If it is irony its extremely subtle in its delivery and he was running the risk of people taking him seriously (which is the case) and totally ruining his reputation. It would be much easier to just say flatly that Willie is full of shit if that is the case. If he ever says this was meant to be ironic I'll believe it but until then I think we will just have to disagree on this matter.
punxsutawneybarney 2 years ago
Your so called contradictions are for the most part either misinterpretations or exaggerations that you happen to catch in the fireman's story.
Did the stairway fall? Probably not. Did rubble start to fill the stairway? According to your source. Yes. Either way, did it become difficult to move in the stairway? Yes.
The sources that you credit are no more factual the the story that this man told. The whole thing is a he-said she-said. Nobody but the dead know what really happened.
MusicalAthlete0 2 years ago
@MusicalAthlete0 Bullshit. He said tower one fell before tower two. He said 30 floors of fire when there were six. His timeline doesn't mesh with known facts. He keeps forgetting the name of the man that supposedly saved a dozen firemen's lives. And listen to his tone when he says "He saved our lives, man" on Jack Blood.
punxsutawneybarney 2 years ago
all firemen tell exactly the same story after every traumatic event, especially years after. with limited or no visibility, often feeling their way through the smoke, the firemen always tell the same story. yes, 100% of the time. and the firemen also have detailed structural plans that they refer to before the fire and they constantly review to the plans years afterwards to relive the trauma. by the way, i have this bridge that i'll give you a great deal on. SOPHOMORIC PSYOPS VIDEO!
flatulencer 2 years ago
flatulencer, my video clearly shows that there were two stairways at each end of the hall, and one in the middle. The firemen could not have been lost. There was no fire on that floor. Furthermore, Willie does not claim that he rescued Mr. Schroeder or any of the dozen other FDNY personnel Mr. Schroeder credits him with saving. You're making up your facts.
punxsutawneybarney 2 years ago
WHAT? The 'point' here is that Schroeder's tale is garbled, confused, rambling, mixed-up and careless in order to 'show' us that Rodriguez's story is bullshit? But more than several dozen people substantially confirm Rodriguez's story.
Re: the 'question' about the key -- punxs... credibility is far more an issue here, as he hasn't done the most minimal research to know that the central firestairs of WTC 1 & 2 were interrupted on each floor with locked doors and hallways. His 'point' is BS.
starmanskye 2 years ago
starman, do any of these dozen people you claim confirm Rodroguez's story have names? I've never heard of them.
Seriously, are you claiming the emergency exit stairwells had locked doors in them? Who in the world told you such a crazy thing?
punxsutawneybarney 2 years ago
@punxsutawneybarney well the assholes that are running the health care facility I live in do such a thing with our emergency exits to keep potential burglars out.
So it's not that unthinkable, in real life regulations often don't mean shit, and only when people get hurt because of this lack of consideration for people's safety and only when those in charge of people's safety get caught you will sometimes hear about it, locked emergency doors are not at all as unlikely as you seem to think here.
paarsefrikandel 7 months ago
@paarsefrikandel We didn't hear about locked fire exits from any credible person, but only in the self-serving testimony from the con artist Willie Rodriguez, who stole his story from a true 9/11 hero, Pablo Ortiz.
punxsutawneybarney 7 months ago
arayalrio, John Schroeder walked into a burning building when everybody else was walking out and I think he deserves our respect and gratitude. This video puts forth a speculative thesis about Mr. Schroeder's motivations. I don't like your judgmental attitude. You don't know what health problems Mr. Schroeder may have had. You even criticize his accent.
punxsutawneybarney 2 years ago
I'm glad I'm not alone in buying this guy's story. No health problems, no PTSD, but a total "been there done that" attitude about things. Liar.
Some probably see his detail about the body in the closet as further proof of govt involvement, but this evidence is just too neat and clean and silly to be believed.
Great accent, too. Terrible actor.
arayalrio 2 years ago