Hand-to-Hand Combat - Combatives Training - SETAF - US Army Africa - Vicenza Italy - 090722

[CaptainAmerica322]

Woah, its Sergeant Rice from Restrepo

[CaptainAmerica322]

@PDunkel66

The Army teaches stand up fighting techniques, but ultimately focuses on getting to the ground. From there they either strangle the shit out of the enemy, snap his limbs off, pound his face in, or simply stab him multiple times. As for garrote use, they actually dont teach all Marines how to use those, and even if they did, its not like every Marine carries a garrote into battle. And Army Infantry/ combat arms are still taught to use bayonets.

[Hav0kftw]

@homefrontftw2 You don't know how to fight at all do you?

[homefrontftw2]

@Hav0kftw Yes i can. (if in a sense you mean Kicks,Punch, Headbutts, Knee, Elbow.) Those are what i use, Not Wrestling- Yet.

[Hav0kftw]

@homefrontftw2 hmm touche' lol. What I meant is if you're trained? And this isn't wrestling, it's Ju Jitsu.

[homefrontftw2]

@Hav0kftw no im really a Teen looking this stuff up just cause :P

[Hav0kftw]

@PDunkel66 wow you have no idea what you're talking about. Army combative training is WAY better than Mcmap, and Mcmap doesn't train Marines to kill their enemy with their hands. All of the US combative training is this - defend yourself while your buddy shoots him.

[PDunkel66]

@Hav0kftw

Wow you don't know what you're talking about. The USMC teaches throat crushes (with your hands) and true they do teach how to kill with weapons such as bayonets (that the Army no longer uses) and they teach how to snap someones neck with a wire. The MACP is shit. Like I said their objective is to take their opponent down and pin him tell their buddy stabs/shoots them. The USMC mission is to fuck the enemy up and continue with the engagement.

[Hav0kftw]

@PDunkel66 Wait... did you just agree with me? lol

[PDunkel66]

@Hav0kftw

As you will notice in my first post I said "The Army on the other hand is trained to wrestle with the enemy tell his buddy/soldier stabs his enemy hes got pinned to the ground 3 times. " Then you said "US combative training is this - defend yourself while your buddy shoots him." so technically you were agreeing with me; But you are dead wrong about MCMAP like I said they do teach throat crushes, neck breaks and so on so forth.

[Hav0kftw]

@PDunkel66 Yeah so does Army combative training. I hope you realize that the Army teaches Ju Jitsu which has neck breaks, throat crushes, and much much more. Those "killing blows" Hardly ever work. I've seen Marines fight, they can't fight. Yeah Mcmap is great for waspons training but that's about it.

[PDunkel66]

@Hav0kftw

Yes Army combatives has koryu jujutsu but MACP (Modern Army Combatives Program) has Brazilian Jujutsu BJJ has arm/leg breaks but it does not have these neck breaks or Kabuto Gaeshi (a daito ryu aikijutsu technique!) and there's no way that grabbing someones adams apple and pinching it as hard as you can wont kill someone in a minute by crushing their trachea.

[Hav0kftw]

@PDunkel66 And I do that move with a t-shirt. I do Ju Jitsu, MMA and Kick Boxing. My combat instructor does Goshin Ju Jitsu and BJJ, he knows that man that helped design Mcmap and has beaten every Marine he has every fought. I've personally watched Marines fight and they aren't very good. I'm pretty sure that I know what I'm talking about and you don't.

[PDunkel66]

@Hav0kftw

You do that move no shit did you read "uses a modified hip throw" it's a modified version of seoinage.

[Hav0kftw]

@PDunkel66 So obviously it's nothing special at all.

[PDunkel66]

@Hav0kftw

According to that logic MACP is nothing special.

[Hav0kftw]

@PDunkel66 eh.. debatable.

[PDunkel66]

@Hav0kftw

And ok I've trained with Levi Wampler a CKM/Reality Based Self Defense instructor and former Army National Guardsman. I guaranty you MCMAP is better. And I have a 1 hour limit on arguing over these vids.

[Hav0kftw]

@PDunkel66 And you're extremely bias because your bro is in the Marines. Man I use to think the same thing until I learned JJ. I could be wrong but it really seems like you have very very little training, if any at all. And okay? That's great to know?

[PDunkel66]

@Hav0kftw

Yep I sure am but not because of my bro. I actually was originally going to join the Army because I thought what you did. However after seeing their gay bases (Army bases are made up of fastfood resterants, and blockbusters. Marine bases are made up of bars, strippers, and gamestops.) I also thought that army combatives were better before actually seeing it in real life.

[PDunkel66]

@Hav0kftw

my point is the Army's view on combat is to take him to the ground then pin him tell your buddys finish him. the Marines view is to stab the enemy with your bayonet and if that fails hip throw him stomp his face then pull your tomahawk and cut his head off.

Modern Army Combatives is made up of- Taekwondo,Muay Thai,Judo,BJJ, Hapkido, Krav Maga, and Kali/FMA

[CaptainAmerica322]

@PDunkel66

And tomahawks? Really? You realize the the only military units that issue those are Army units right? Originally used by the Rangers of old.

[PDunkel66]

@CaptainAmerica322

Yep all USMC infantrymen are issued tomahawks since 2008. And the SEALS have been using them for a long time now.

[CaptainAmerica322]

@PDunkel66

That statement is highly incorrect.

[PDunkel66]

@CaptainAmerica322

Nope. 2008 was the year the USMC started using tomahawks I remember because that's the year my bro went to TBS at Quantico and he had to buy a coldsteel tomahawk from QTS.

[CaptainAmerica322]

@PDunkel66 Buying is not being issued. Many service members buy them. Only a few units are ISSUED them, and they are all Army. And yeah, I know plenty of Marines, and none of them were issued tomahawks.

[PDunkel66]

@CaptainAmerica322

Well ok buddy all I'll say is they made my brother buy a tomahawk from QTS for his training at TBS.

[CaptainAmerica322]

@PDunkel66

TBS? You said Infantrymen. Now nothing you said makes sense. You said all USMC infantrymen are issued them. Then you tell me you based that off of your brother having to BUY one for TBS? Not issued, and not infantry. Aw well. Point is, many people use them. Good day.

[CaptainAmerica322]

@PDunkel66

And again, the US militaries relationship with the Tomahawk originates in the Rangers.

[PDunkel66]

@Hav0kftw

Marine Corp. Martial Arts Program is- Bayonet fighting, Kali/FMA, Kickboxing, Greco Roman Wrestling, Karate, Taekwondo, Judo, Ninjutsu, Muay Thai, Pankration, KM, CKM, Sambo.

[PDunkel66]

@Hav0kftw also there's a technique in MCMAP where the Marine rapps a razor wire around a enemy neck and uses a modified hip throw to snap a enemy's neck and sever his neck if the enemy somehow survives the throw. Get educated about what you are talking about before you post.

[PDunkel66]

@Hav0kftw

True I'm not military but my bro is (1st Lieutenant Gasper USMC Tank Commander.) and he has trained in both LINE MCMAP, and MACP (since he had to go to the army armor school at Fort Knox tor tank training.)

[CorruptCatalystVids1]

im going to join the army in 2 years but the army would beat the marines if they showed them how to do Jeet Kune Do

[RbonStudios]

@VingTsunFANATIC I think most of it is jui juitsu (i probably failed spelling there) more then that idk.

[VingTsunFANATIC]

@RbonStudios swedish army too?? Isn't it??

[RbonStudios]

@VingTsunFANATIC Im not sure but its also mma with is mixed fighting sports. But many millitarys use this.

[Hav0kftw]

@RbonStudios It;s either Ju Jitsu, or Jiu Jitsu. Doesn't really matter though lol

[rekke41]

@VingTsunFANATIC

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

[Spaitin]

didnt a girl take 3rd place at one of the millitary tournaments.... they need more personalized training. cuz these guys are kinda unskilled at the whole hand to hand game

[SWCrules]

Was this the tournament Neely beat up that chick? lol. 

[1stAprilMCR]

@sniper8117 Youtube is not the best place to find out. Don't be an idiot and look up on the website or something.

[TheJamesDempsey]

For those of you that say "The Army doesn't teach this" "Only special Forces and Rangers get this" and just don't belive this is learned by 90% of the Army, You're full of shit. I am a mechanic and when i went through basic training in 2007 i learned level 1 Army combatives, I am now in level 3. Oh and im also just a reservist.

[Spaitin]

@TheJamesDempsey my buddy came back from the special forces... he still sucks at fighting lol. broke his hand on accident. he thought you could punch a dude in the face with a bare hand. was the funniest thing i ever saw hahaha. took him in for surgery last week

[JKT6]

bjj :P

[schaelakhan]

In the 70's they taught a more striking based art...You could say it was based on Karate. Apparently, the stuff worked but there was alot of injuries and the programs never took hold like this new program.

[JDMsamuraiwarrior]

looks like some ufc shit , i hate ufc coz this is what the ufc does 2 guys on the ground being gay , i take karate any day punch and kicks is better than being on the ground being gay ,l hate the ufc

[benchn280]

@JDMsamuraiwarrior haha you hate the UFC because guys who go in only knowing karate get their shit kicked. Hell idk even know any fighting style and I could kick your fat weak ass.

[JDMsamuraiwarrior]

@benchn280 fuck offf penguin 

[benchn280]

@JDMsamuraiwarrior Dont get butt hurt pussy. Your just mad that every guy who went in there only knowing karate got there ass whooped. You can find several old videos of Royce Gracie kicking karate guys asses. He even broke one guys arm. Karate is only good against other karate guys. In a real fight where it can go to the ground, karate is useless. Also you are fat and weak.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@benchn280 Not really defending JDM's comment, but common look at the rules. No, eye strikes, no open hand strikes, no groin strikes, no kicking on the ground, no striking the joints,  no small joint attacks......UFC? It's a sport, not a Fight.

[benchn280]

@JeffreyJamesLippold I didnt say that UFC and a real, street type fight are the same thing. I said that karate alone was not enough for somebody to get very far in UFC, or any MMA org.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@benchn280 your right.

[actionmanrandell]

@benchn280 thats only the average karateka. you go back 100 years and the karateka where much better then the ones of today.

[FordNissanChevy]

@JDMsamuraiwarrior ufc is mixed martial arts, it includes karate, but i dont think anybody uses that technique in ufc due to better methods. Forget the popular one's name.

[fukageryu]

BJJ is a great system, but sportive and so only applicable under limited circumstances. Against armed or multiple opponents the ground is not the best option. Grappling is also time and energy consuming - not good strategy when carrying 70 lbs of gear. The old Army system included specific strikes/targets, sentry removal, throws, chokes, knife, stick, and short staff fighting. It was much better suited for military use. They should go back to it, and add material on grappling where necessary.

[schaelakhan]

@fukageryu appreciated...I agree. I was told by some old Soldiers that alot of injuries occured. So maybe with the BJJ approach as a base Soldiers can expound upon the techniques and have an effective system of close combat.

In Hawaii Wheeler Army air base Soldiers attend a BJJ class after duty to enhance thier skill. Troops from other branches have come out with intention of prooving thier close combat system is better and have gotten choked out.(won't say what branch but you can guess)

[schaelakhan]

@schaelakhan Anyway,alot of things need to change but I think the program is on the right track.

[studpuppy69]

@schaelakhan I'm not in the Army or anything, but watching these videos in training courses it makes you wonder how there aren't more injuries. I'm all for hand to hand training, but if someone does something wrong, dislocated shoulder, broken wrist, etc. I'm not the fighter type at all. I'm 23 now, back in HS in Criminal Justice I could barely do it on someone else and was scared to death of someone doing it on me. Weak mind I guess...I'm signing up for the Army pending Dr's note, no MOS yet.

[actionmanrandell]

@studpuppy69 the army doesnt teach this stuff. only special forces learn any amount of hand to hand combat in the regular military. they only teach you strikes here and there nothing special

[knutsb2]

@actionmanrandell Actually, every soldier in the Army now learns this type of "hand to hand combat". It's now called Army combatives, and there are 4 different levels. The Army is trying to get everyone level 1 certified by the time they leave basic training.

[actionmanrandell]

@knutsb2 i know several people who are in the united states military some of which are in the army and none of them had this much training. my cousin is in the army right now and he only has learned some basic punches

[SWCrules]

@actionmanrandell Is your cousin in the American Army? Because all of my new Paratroopers came to us certified in the Modern Army Combatives Program, Level 1 or "MACP". This video was actually a tournament for our battalion held here in Italy prior to our deployment in support of OEF X (Afghanistan).

[hiddenblade1234]

@actionmanrandell hey stupid..the army has a cool little program u might wanna look into called combatives. its where they teach u ground and standing fighting skills. Special Forces only get a more advanced, intense, individual training.

[schaelakhan]

Brazilian Jujitsu is actually Judo. The art was taught too the Gracie Family by a top student of Jigaro Kano the founder of Judo. The competitive aspect of judo was originally taught with emphasis on ground fighting but Kano decided that this favored strength so he changed the rules and made the emphasis the throwing techniques. The good thing about bjj is that you can train long and hard, but there are limitations which the ARMY has tried to address to keep it relevant.

[fukageryu]

@schaelakhan Good to see someone acknowledging BJJ's clear Judo roots. I don't think it diminishes the system at all to admit that the Gracies didn't develop it from scratch or to avoid the somewhat fanciful connection to Fusen-ryu Jujutsu when Judo (even Kosen Judo) is a much closer and clearer relative. BJJ deserves all the credit in the world for what it has accomplished, but it didn't invent the concept of ne-waza.

[leicamaster]

Stab him!!!!!!!!

[dealer5]

My first response came from lippold's comment below "Just for fun, good exercise, never would be used in battle though." When in fact these are techniques that actually are used in battle. And this not called BJJ or traditional JJ- its called "combatives". Knives are not emphasized mainly because Soldiers knives/bayonets are always strapped to the body or body armor securely -not for easy draw.

[dealer5]

Btw lippold congrats on making the POW Network list of phonies

[dealer5]

jeffrey had you honestly served you would know that these techniques are actually used and updated based upon real altercations in the GWOT - in fact a ranger who actually earned the SS ( unlike you falsely claim) using these techniques - Spc. Joseph Gibson. look him up and learn something- the military is not using samurai swords nor do they choreograph ridiculous scenes like yours jumping through the air.

[urfaceismessed]

@dealer5 Im going to have to agree with jeffery somewhat here. BJJ was made from Japanese Jujustu as a SPORT. Believe me, soldier or not, if someone is trying to kill you, you do not want to be on the ground, simply because one of your attackers allies can come right up to you and stomp you. Two against one on the ground is not good. The best system is a system that can be performed in all ranges and that teaches simple and effective techniques. BJJ is good sport but a modern JJJ class is best.

[dealer5]

@urfaceismessed - Not sure what war you have been watching lately and you are clearly not familiar with the techniques I am referring to. These techniques are used if/when a soldier is grabbed by an enemy combatant in a CQB situation that prevents him from using his rifle- the ranger takes him to the ground immediately and disposes of him on the ground in order for his teammates to maintain fields of fire and help eliminate fratricide. Not sure why u would assume otherwise.

[urfaceismessed]

@dealer5 Sure I'm no soldier. But I have been attacked on the street alot. Let me ask you something, have you ever been attacked by a person with a knife while you were on the ground? Not fun, luckily I had friends to help me but if I didn't I would of been dead. It doesnt matter if you have a good triangle joke or a good kamura they can easily stick a knife in you. And you would think when talking about military CQB that knifes would be involved.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

Just for fun, good exercise, never would be used in battle though. Some Aiki-jujutsu knife attacks and defenses definitely would be useful. go to my page for other useful combat techniques.

[BadManBarringer]

@JeffreyJamesLippold Whatever. Go to MY page and learn what a liar and a fake Jeffery James Lippold is. OR you can Google Jeffrey Lippold and check out the site titled Military Wannabes. Lippold is a poser.

[MsHustlerhoney]

this is fuckin Rtarted! haha

[Tracer564]

how is it retarded? there doing BJJ

[Baker4208969]

@MsHustlerhoney i think your retarded. these guys could probably kill you with there bare hands. i would like to see you land a punch on a solider, retard.