Atheist vs Theist - THE BURDEN OF PROOF EXPLAINED! (UKA)

[yourtreat2]

@KALogic I've not only Favoritted this Vid, but I reference it in one of my Playlists. As I mention to you in my Comment below, this is an important precept of Logic that is often forgotten by Atheists who decide to debate a Theist. It is THE ONE AND ONLY essential issue that provides the logical argument that should be well understood by Theists and Atheists, as well. Thanks for creating and posting this Vid...

[yourtreat2]

@KALogic This is the essence of the essential argument based on the precepts of Logic that form the basis for our accepting Atheism as the logical response to Theism and all superstitious beliefs.

Thanks for posting this Vid.

All too often Atheists get side-tracked by accepting an argument of a Theist that puts the Burden of Proof upon the Atheist, rather than the Theist. For that reason, it is important to remind Atheists of the precepts of Logic articulated (so well) within this Vid.Thanks.

[am101171]

The worst should be "because X says" where X is whom ever person, generally holding some authority or recognition, as it shows no knowledge, or effort to obtain it, nor any personal understanding of any kind, but an attitude of copying mindlessly, while nullifying their own reasoning and decision capacities. But this does not happen only among theist.

[am101171]

Also some Atheist are in reality Anti Theist( for their own respectable reasons) and that is also a claim, which is that theism is bad and dangerous. Aside from this points, you can prove a negative by evidence of absence, proof of impossibility, proof of unfalsifiable  argument. This last I would argue as if I had to define God I would do it as an unfalsifiable concept, but then I would keep it to myself.

[am101171]

Hi UKALogic, Interesting post, I think Atheism is not as you say a rejection of a claim, is more like no claim in its purest form, and when you are not making a claim you wouldn't have to prove anything. But when you try to prove to a theist that God does not exist (as Reiltzik says) you are making a claim, at least one, and that is that there is no evidence of the existence of God, which may be true or not, but it is still is a claim.

[danieldvs100]

worst excus?

"DNA has to have a mind behind it, it can react on its on, needs a higher power".

[Reltzik]

I'll have to disagree -- moderately -- with this video. The burden of proof naturally falls upon the person attempting persuasion. If an atheist attempts to persuade a theist, the atheist needs to offer evidence, or else the persuasion fails. The same vice verse. Private believers don't need our stamp of approval for their beliefs.

Most absurd: Sand castles don't spontaneously pop into existence, ergo evolution is a lie. Nevermind that they don't reproduce and thus evolution nixes them.

[laxpaint]

Tide comes in, tide goes out. -Bill O

[canbuyu]

1 thing that's pissing me off lately is here in tucson arizona they're trying to have a bible class in the public high schools they think it is part of history

[geyza0711]

Most foolish answer I´ve ever heard (dont know which video exactly) "One the Dollar Bills it says In God we trust. So he must be real." :)

[BionicAK]

My mother always senses whenever I need her help or I'm doin sumthin bad or whatever. Seriously. Except she attributed it to being "in tune wit god" when its the biological bond between mother n son

[TheAstrobleme]

@BionicAK This phenomenon could be explained by Quantum Entanglement - since a mother and her baby spend so much time in intimate proximity it is possible that some of their neurons become entangled allowing for a kind of sub-conscious communication.

[stressahp]

Two of the most ridiculous has to be "I have a personal relationship with the lord, and it the personal reasons that have changed and altered my life for the better"

OH! an this one I witnessed.... heard in person! On line at a grocery market, an old lady infront of me on her cell phone "The reason why the Indians "Native American's" lost their land was because they never accected the lord jesus christ"

[DaToNyOyO]

@stressahp That's also one of the justifications the xtian pilgrims used for massacring men, women and children of native tribes and hunting them with dogs and burning them alive. To them, god just put them there to be conquered and killed because America was gods chosen land for gods *new* chosen people.

Crazy bastards.

[matthewtaylorbrown]

I make the claim, there are no gods! Myths are dismissable. Man has been creating gods to suite his needs for thousands of generations. I don't need to disprove or disprove the existence of Jesus or Santa. We give their claims of gods and life ever lasting way to much attention. It just encourages them.

[nedladdy]

The silliest statement

Because, just because its true

[Chuck1863]

I've been told that since the bible contains proven facts, the whole thing must be regarded as true.

[BottleConcreteBlond]

I always like that--"God is that tree" or "God is the sky"--to which I wonder "do you hear the tree talk and if so why should I do what it says?"

[ThePercalator1]

my dragon told me yours is wrong and it wll suffer in an afterlife. What now?

[BetterOffDamned]

Anything akin to "God speaks to me daily". I understand that some theists use this loosely to explain a feeling they experience, but I've had plenty try to tell me this in a literal sense. I used to think the person was deluded, but it's too common an answer. I think a lot of them lie when they say this, perhaps as a defense mechanism to having their faith challenged.

[UKALogic]

@Hippieboy1547 the oh so popular banana argument. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when seeing that. Laugh at the stupidity or cry at the fact that people in this day and age can really be that stupid.

[Hippieboy1547]

/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4

I don't even need to explain what's wrong with this argument.

Just watch.

[jack305666]

i believe so there for it is true or something like that

[LucyLabrador1]

Well... the most rediculous things I've heard was from a video called 'If Atheists Ruled The World'. Look it up if you haven't already seen it. I assure you, it's hilarious!

[JEL625]

hmmm the dumbest proof....

"evolution is a lie because there were no animals on earth wen it happened"

yes this guy was serious

[Christheatheist1]

The Bible. I am constantly surprised at how many times I get this circular argument. "God is real because it says so in the Bible." "The bible is the inspired word of God because it says so in the Bible!" LOL!

[littlebit19801]

@Christheatheist1 My friend gives me that argument ALL THE TIME, it drives me crazy! I ask him how does he know the Quran isn't right or the Hindu book, or OTHER religions' books, and he says, "We know the Bible is the ONLY inspired word, b/c the Bible says it is!"

[DaToNyOyO]

@littlebit19801 With all it's 438 contradictions, it just *has* to be the inspired word of god. Right?

[littlebit19801]

@DaToNyOyO LOL What I find funny, and never thought of it untill I watched Atheist experience, is that there was a man like Jesus who was doing these miracles, you'd think there would be 1000s upon 1000s of ancient documents, books, etc.. written about him, but as amazing as this guy was the he *and everything else in the Bible* is only contained in ONE lone book. I'm agnostic I guess I think there MIGHT be something, there but I don't see how people can stake their whole life on this one book.

[DaToNyOyO]

@littlebit19801

One of the most prolific writers of the time (wish I could remember names), who lived in the area and was alive before Jesus, and out lived him, NEVER even mentions anyone like Jesus.

That I find odd, because this is the sort of thing he would definitely have written about.

[littlebit19801]

@DaToNyOyO I think Josefus is who you're talking about and I probably totally misspelled that lol But yeah you'd think the time the dead rose from the graves would have definitly been recorded lol

[DaToNyOyO]

@littlebit19801 That's the chap, Josephus. Yeah, I think *someone* might have spotted that happen.

[tuggleprentiss]

@littlebit19801-- Josephus is considered the greatest Roman historian. Josephus is most famous for describing the Roman destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. He talks about Jesus twice in his history books.

In Book 18, Chapter 3, 3 of Josephus book named "Antiquities" he refers to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate. In Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 Josephus refers to the stoning of "James the brother of Jesus called Christ". Josephus describes the death of John the Baptist (Bk 18, Chapter 5,2)

[AguilaTX2011]

@tuggleprentiss : Historians have dismissed those as later aditional info to the original text. still...christians 0... truth 1

[tuggleprentiss]

@AguilaTX2011-- While some historians have criticized the first account in Book 18 as being too glowing an account of Jesus and thus suspect, no historian has said anything like that about the casual mention of Jesus in Book 20. No historian that I am aware of has ever asserted the second mention was a later addition.

[tuggleprentiss]

You are obviously talking about Philo of Alexandria. That is who is always brought up. 1st, he lived in Alexandria, not Palestine. As a Jew, he just wrote a lot about Palestine. Most of his writing were BEFORE Jesus ministry began, when Jesus was an unknown. By the time of Jesus, there were pograms against Jews going on in Alexandria, and Phillo was delegated by the Alexandrian Jews to go to Rome to plead with the Emperor for mercy.After his return to Alexandria, he wrote solely about that trip.

[DaToNyOyO]

@Christheatheist1 I wrote on a napkin "This napkin is god because it says so on this napkin" and handed it to the xtian.

He didn't get it.