Mt Panorama Bathurst 1985 TWR Jaguar XJ-S V12 in-car racecam lap

[fapsqpz]

0:38 I got a hardie xD

[singleblankscreen]

This was awesome!

[engelskogtysk]

... this man has some very large testicels.....

[mccracken65]

im surprised how good sound was back in the 80s

[KobudoKai70]

bring back some variety , we're all sick of taxis battling , how bout some smaller and bigger cars and different engine types/sounds ? those were the days ! un-australian to not give someone a go and ban them if the cheeky buggers actually beat ya ! feel free to make a faster car yourselves gmh/ford ! used to love to watch jags,skylines,sierras,bmw's whip the taxis !

[InteligentMan]

Awesome driving!

[XR4turbo]

Sounds almost identical to a 20b 3 rotor...strange

[AccAkut1987]

@XR4turbo the number of ignitions per revolution is pretty similar

[shmcmillan]

The reason we dont see any other cars in the V8 Supercars is because they wont commit and wont change to RWD format.Remeber these ATCC races were based off cars that were sold here or able to imported by the dealers for sale.

Toyota=Camry or Avalon FWD,wont commit to RWD,

Lexus=cant be bothered although they have the RWD already here,

I can name 20 other car makers that could join and probably wouldnt because they cant be bothered,our racing is based off RWD cars and not Euro FWD pls.

[gcmc2]

@shmcmillan Whenever it is suggested that other makes enter the series the plan has usually been for the cars to be built RWD as V8 supercars only. ( rather than making a homologation production run ) They did get as far as building a couple of RWD V8 Magnas in one of these schemes. The need for homologation specials has sort of gone now anyway with the similar platform and suspension layout. If it ever cane to pass any new cars would be built to the same spec.

[bunning63]

Haven't read all the comments but didn't Holden attempt to compete on the track in Europe?.Anyone remember how well they did against the euro's?.

[FalconBerlina84]

@bunning63 Peter Brock ran selected ETCC rounds in 1986 in a Group A Mobil HDT VK Commodore, Allan Grice ran all rounds in a privately entered VK Commodore. Both were regular top 10 in prac and qualifying, and mixed results in the races themselves(accidents, mechanical probs). Usually Allan Grice was the quicker of the two, and had slightly better results. Imagine if Brocky hired Gricey as a works HDT driver to contest all the ETCC rounds in a Mobil Commodore!

[fastfredy05]

The Man is A Legend RIP

[drivinggod1991]

@fastfredy05 and may his legacy remain in supercharged VE Commodore's!

[SpeedingStudent]

Jaguar V12, motherfuckers.

[benno151]

far out that's nuts without the chase... and the chase is pretty nuts itself

[mikldude]

how  many horses did the walky jag have in those days?

[jarviss64]

@mikldude about 550 bhp for the Walkinshaw Jags. There was an XJS that ran at Bathurst and the ATCC (a red one) that was tuned to 750 bhp and was awesomely fasst, but was unreliable.

[mikldude]

@jarviss64 very nice, and good to have some different cars instead of only 2 brands(boring), i miss those days :(, thanks for the reply.

[wcb67]

Bring back the Jags and Camaros!!!!!

[0Zolrender0]

watching this made me see how much the tracks changed in 25 years. only a bit of wall and armco back then. now the whole tracks got saftey rails, tyre barriers etc. makes you see just how safe motorsports become.

[mkIIrtv05]

Crompton is a retard when it comes to commentary, Oastler is way better, so is the footage from prince rainier's jag out of the headlight....

[ipdaily6]

man that walkinshaw knows how to drive, no traction control and sequential shift, just pure adrenalin and a big set of balls... i remember when they got first and second, the xjs was really an underated car, they were built solid, get in one and close the door and it sounded like a bank vault door closing, try the same thing in a honda prelude sounds like you just cracked the tab on a can of coke. and smooth shit it was like sitting in your lazy boy chair..with a v12 bolted in front

[czr7j9]

i agree i don't even watch the supercars anymore they aren't ford or Holdens apart from a few body panels bring back the old days

[Bf109D]

I remember that years race - it was when I could watch it all day - The different makes running round then - Robbie and his Volvo - this amazing sounding Jag :)

The cars had a lot more personality back then - distinctive sounds - today I really cant tell one car apart from another ....its a fair dinkum yawn for someone who remembers the old races...thanks so much for this upload

[Rjjr510]

that thing is fucking fast

[coewee]

agree wingies 777 totally mate

[koffeekapers]

Variety in motor sport makes it more entertaining. They were great days of racing. Brocky loved the 850 Volvo and the ammount of people that came to watch the Castrol 12 hour. That what its about. Sure, Bathurst is unparralled and up there with LeMans,great tracks as the NordSchlief NurenburgRing. Granted, who would want to watch Beetles and Mini's battling it out. Commodores and Falcons (in or out of that order) are world class and can race on that platform. Brocky, Perkins, Grice proved that.

[DEaN0886]

The best years for ATCC in my opinion too. I feel that maybe to bring a bit more variety and diverse competition to the series maybe ANY four door SEDAN with a V8 that is available for sale in Australia should be eligable to compete. And what do you know, you can make a comment without using profanity and attempting to insult others ;)

[coewee]

agree totally bf 109d not like the old days that is foreshure

[Bf109D]

seriously...these were the best years to watch bathurst for me....having the competition of the different makes with volvos turbo and jag's made it a real great day to see ford and holden fight with these speedsters.....today i can hardly tell the diff between a ford and a holden...its like watching formula 3 where all have same make and speed....maybe skillful but boooorrring

[fpvshitsonhsv]

Fucking ignorant cunts have a look at Bathurst in 60-70's and learn a little about Australian motor car history!!!In the 70's the pase four was baned from even the show room (Ford) becouse we were maken some very fast fucken cars.The 80 's was just trash at the time and a mixed bag so now we gone back to Ford and Holden to keep this Australian Motor sport.Ignorant fucking cunts!!Lets throw some Euro and jap teams in the AFL its boring when its all Australian,fucking twats

[kilowatt047]

What a sweet ass car.Love this video, 5 stars.

[fpvshitsonhsv]

Fuck that i dont want that import shit racing with Ford and Holden,why the fuck you wanna do that? Go watch some Toca Cars if thats what you want

[Mitsimad]

Yeah. When the competition is to stiff, ban them. Fuck making decent cars.

[wingies777]

You narrow minded dickhead! The days when the jags, BMW's Nissan Skylines etc were the best days that the ATCC has ever seen and sadly because the Holden and Ford V8's were getting slaughtered by the European / Jap competition the Aussie ruling body could not stomach it any more. So what do you have now, two manufacturers, 30 cars that all look the same apart from a few stickers, how fookin boring is that. If one of these manufactures pulls out thats the end of this great race and the ATCC.

[SuperTamponBandit]

@wingies777 wrong they stopped them here becuase they wanted it Australian manufacture only and they were not selling on the aussie market. all good i mean holdens won bathurst 25 times and ford 17 wayyyyyyyyy more than any jap or euro car has done :) laters

[The92foxbody]

@wingies777 lol... just lol at everything you said..

[The92foxbody]

@wingies777 lol... just lol at everything you said..

[The92foxbody]

@wingies777 LOL the holden was one of the best cars ever made in the ATCC and won multiple events. The bmw was one of the most "slaughtered" cars in ATCC..

[2GoRightGoHolden]

@wingies777 TWR were going to race at bathurst 1986. but they pulled out because they had a whinge about the new VK Group A commodore being too fast and illegal.

so if other manufaturors started racing again and the commodores started to kill them on the track, whats your re-action going to be??

you'll most likely have a sook as well. fuck off ya fuckin keyboard warrior.

[wikwak67]

@wingies777 totaly aggree with u bring back the old days

[MrFiveLeeeta]

@wingies777 do you say that shit to make yourself look like a hard cunt? or do you just like to state the fucking obvious? ok, let me tell you something.

when you have a VN SS Group A with around 560hp, and a Nissan skyline R32 GTR with 600+hp, OF COURSE THE GTR IS GONNA BE FASTER.

[jwebb2876]

@MrFiveLeeeta Dude, you could have a 400hp GT-R and a 560hp VN and the GT-R would still be faster. The VN's a fucking boat, plus the GT-R had the advantage of 4WD.

It's not all about horsepower you dumb bogan.

[MrFiveLeeeta]

@jwebb2876 i'm proud to be a bogan mate.

[MrFiveLeeeta]

@wingies777 i must admit, you did have your head screwed on right when you thought of ur username. sort of. should've been winger777, that would've been better.

[67675656565655656565]

@wingies777 do you have aids ?

[FalconBerlina84]

By the 90's Group A was in its dying days worldwide. 2.0 Supertouring was in its early days. And cars like the GTR really stretched the spirit of the Group A regs. There were no Falcon V8's in Group A era. Ford had the Sierra Cosworth, which were from europe and were successful! The Holden/Ford V8 formula was intended to bring the cost of racing down and race cars the Australian public could relate to. However these days we would be able to relate to new makes and it's about time to push for it!

[Terrilliser]

powerful motor car of its time!!!

[321BRay]

This was the last great bathurst, used to go every year but I dont drive a Holden or Ford so dont care.

Give us some variety and real cars that people can buy the only part of the supercars??? is the engine the rest is identical be it ford or holden.

[aus2045]

Please bring back this kind of racing, the current boring ford/chev format sucks big time.

[MrFiveLeeeta]

@aus2045 Ford/Holden, dickhead. do some research. the V8s used in the holdens use locally cast blocks, not chev blocks.

[XBR12]

@MrFiveLeeeta Hand made and custom design to compete with the Fords!!!!!!!! Holden shit as always!

[MrFiveLeeeta]

@aus2045 ford/holden buddy

[wcb67]

I was there that day. I knew the Jags would win when I saw one of them go past Brocky along pit straight as if Brocky was standing still. Simply awesome...bring'm back with the Chev Camaros!

[118865]

the good old days. now it is just ford and holden, still a top race though

[mafmo]

The gear stick is a mile away!

Gotta love the JRA JAG's though!

Priceless footage.

[DannyBoySmith1993]

if i were 2 have an xjs, i'd buy 1 for few hundred € & then put that engine in it!

[Reaps51]

That really does look downright scary... 'specially the rate at which he comes into Forrest..

[MPZRACEVIDEO]

Cool Action from Major Tom...

[EmersonMeyer33]

Very nice video!

Thx for sharing!

[offitcock]

nice

[deancarr10]

you can see how smooth that V12 is to drive! awesome engine i bet he really enjoyed driving that.

[tonza123456789]

awesome.flogs those shit holdens,go jaguar ...

[JohnMarineTube]

That's one big cat on Mount Panorama! Love the engine sound of that Jaguar V12. Looks like it drives pretty well as well.

[KillFrenzie]

Those roads must be flat as. Cos when you try and pull that shit of every little fukn bump feels like ur flying.

[gundigoogoo]

fuckin weapon of a car that thing love it!!!!!!!!

[gcmc2]

Yes, stupid suggestions that they were breaking down or limped home are nonsense. Walkinshaw car's oil cooler was holed and dumped its oil. Spent ages being repaired and still finished 3rd. The Dickson / Alam car was out very early. Car went into the back of Grice when he missed a gear and glass from broken headlight went into the engine via the air box. Why are people saying "what if" this or that ? Nothing came close on performance. Shnitzer BMW inherited 2nd after Walkinshaw's trouble.

[mrslops27]

I remember the chaos in the pits when Walkinshaw's car cracked the oil cooler on those stupid speed bumps at the pit entry. Cost him the race. Nice thing out of it though is I retrieved the oil cooler from the garbage bin and it now sits in my dad's garage.

[cezar912]

toca

[hottr6]

This video ROCKS!  I went to Bathurst every year 1974-1983. Thanks!

[1337ASM]

jags are always the best coupés.. fantastic driving skillz

[astonbrock]

I was there for Friday practice, they were perhaps the best sounding touring car I've heard... and the loudest!

[KillFrenzie]

Is it me or does it look greener then it does now.

[OzzInter]

Brilliant footage!!!

At least one of those Jaguars raced at Bathurst in 1985 still exists in Britain.

Modern day Mt Panorama ("Bathurst") now has safety barriers along the sides of most of the track and a chicane towards the bottom of Conrod Straight (main straight) to improve safety.

That footage from 1985 without the barriers is quite frighening!!!

[gcmc2]

Late reply here but yes, several still exist. Walkinshaw retained one, there is one in the heritage museum ( that may be TW's - not sure ) , there's another in New Zealand and one has just now been bought and brought back to Australia. ( I think by Mike Roddy in Melbourne if I remember rightly )

[AndrewEG]

Yep i saw Mike's TWR Jag tonight, and it's in really good condition! TWR added alot of custom components to those engines. He's also got a hold of a set of "Bathurst" cams :)

[gcmc2]

Yes, He and Mark Trenoweth up in Qld got a lot of TWR parts ( even parts from the Lemans cars ) When you say they added a lot of parts you are right but of course the major components are retained per group A regulations. In the sports cars they made custom cranks and even cylinder heads, titanium con rods etc. If you were at Mike's you probably saw the black and silver XJS sports sedan as well ? That is an incredible car that I sold him in a weak moment and I really regret it.

[GTFORDMAN]

jeez that thing looked quick!

[gcmc2]

Yes, much like the TC cortina and Chrysler Centura - they had much larger engines fitted than was ever intended for the chassis. The commodore certainly was a better result than than the others !

[FormulaOneSpy]

Even that it's the 80s and all, but just nuts there are zero barriers on the straight.

[MAsterDV]

Ducarai... V12 é V12....

[AndrewEG]

geez that engine sounds great! That wasn't coming from a jag lover either.

[wpsracing108]

good ole neil crompton - been the rock of telecasts for 20 years!!!

[jam3z07]

lol, i didn't know crompton was in commentary that long ago.

[hnfdhh]

Remember firing up late in the day when BROCKY had the eyes on chasing down the RAVAGLIA ( sp ? ) BMW....making it look like it was standing still down CONROD.....his 2 impromptu pitstops....and catching GOSSY.....then....PIIIING

And WANKERS out there saying BROCKY gave up !!!!!

HMMMMPPPHHH

[jam3z07]

brocky's car broke the fukin timing chain (C.A.M.S is at fault on that 1 for not allowing a double row timing chain) during his last pitstop, the same with john harvey, only john broke his out on the track on top of the mountain. it pisses me off how people can think that brocky gave up, if it didn't break, brocky would probably have won that race.

[jasondinalt2008]

CAMS was only enforcing the rules. HDT did not complete the required 500 sporting evolution cars to homologate the extra bits in time for Bathurst 85. Parts were stuck in a container (industrial dispute) and would not be released until after the dispute was settled, despite pleas from Holden and Brock's HDT. They had they built 420 cars, and CAMS refused to bend the rules to allow the sporting evolution. TWR had publicly stated they would not come to Australia "if those hot rods were allowed"

[jam3z07]

the weird thing is the reason behind their dicision to adopt the Group A regulations. the Group A regulations were probably enforced, not because the euros had problems with australian cars, its just that those V8 commodores and V8 falcons, under those rules, were pretty much handicapped in terms of the amount of power they had relative to the tyre width they had relative to the weight of the cars themselves.

[Jyllenberg]

What an unsafe track Mount Panorama was back in those days..

[jam3z07]

it would take some balls to drive a car in full race-trim, with the risk of being killed if you hit a tree or if you roll the car or run over someone near the track and kill them, there were lots of risks being taken, given the state that the track was in, back in those days.

[coewee]

thanks ozcritic for that piece of info interesting i still reckon back in those days it was better than full race cars today

[coewee]

loved that jag a bit heavy going around bathurst sounds exellent

[ozcritic]

fucken oath it does. the jags that raced in the ATCC in the group A era, they had to carry a hell of a lot of ballast, because it exceeded 5 litres (5000cc), but because holden shaved their engine down to 304ci (4987cc), they were let off. plus, the extra weight helped with the downforce that came from the new Group A aero bodykit.

[jam3z07]

if any other car make would start racing with the V8's, it would waste the investment already laid out by holden, ford, HSV, FPV, HRT and FPR. i've said this before, Holden and Ford don't invest in making supercars like european car manufacturors do. if they did, it's possible they'll go broke.

[djc0247]

I don't think Holden and ford would let them come back!...thats why they only allow v8 now .although Jaguars have the xj8 and that would make things very interesting [Holdens are "Opel" GM cars not really Ausie anyway.

[jam3z07]

no mate, they're australian, and australian by name, but they're ownded by General motors, it's General motors holden. holden used to use opel products in the 1990's, especially the VN commodore, i think it was an opel body also used on the VP, VR and VS commodores.

[jcbeckettnz]

Australian in spirit maybe, but the first commodore's were Opel Rekord/Senator hybrids with the ancient Holden "Red" (later blue) motors installed, do a google image search on an Opel Rekord & Senator & you'll see a familar sight. The later commodores were Opel Omegas with the Buick V6 installed. GM go to great lengths to ensure that the Australian public regards them as aussie cars, and does a good job at it, but in reality Holden is a simply another badge engineering subsidy of GM.

[jam3z07]

importing motors saved holden $millions and millions of dollars, resulting in more money to spend on building a better car. and they've done a good job.

[rivenz6]

The first commodores were originaly opel reckords.However it should be noted that they were heavily re-engineered in australia as the opel fell apart during reliability trials in Australia.body reinforcements and completely new struts were among the changes.The engines (4,6and 8 cyl), gearboxes and differentials were all of australian design.Therefore the commodore was still Australian to a large degree.

[gcmc2]

All commodores were opel/vauxhall right from the start at VB in 1978. That's why Brock was able to build that run of commodore coupes. He imported I think just the panels if I remember correctly from the 2 door opels. Even the VT commodore was based on opel ( the omega ) I expect the VE is on a GM world platform too but I'm not sure. That's just the way it's done these days. The small X type Jag for instance share its base platform with the ford mondeo.

[armorgeddon]

@gcmc2: Opel pulled out of the upper class RWD category, so the VE Commodore to my knowledge was completey developed in Australia by Holden. Other GM brands now use the VE-base for some models, Vauxhall imports one of the HSV-models and sells it under the VX-R banner in the UK.

[gcmc2]

@armorgeddon Yes, I think you're right. GM in the US (obviously ) has high regard for the car and I think the story was that if it had come along a bit earlier it would have been a big chance to be used for a world large car platform. GM increasingly look to GMH Australia for technical and design work. They are that highly valued. The new retro Camaro was done by an Australian design team in the US. That may be one that might have used the VE platform.

[swampmarshy]

Love that Jag, I was on the mountain the day it won. It sounded AWSOME when going across the top at reid park and then as it went over skyline. The sound will live with me forever. Would love to see one of the new XKR spercharged JAG's in a 12 hour proddy race on the mountain.

[jarviss64]

The problem with the supercharged Jag V8 is that at high revs it creates a huge amount of heat, which effectively destroys the advantage of the supercharger, and net output is lower than the naturally aspirated engine. They'd be better off building a naturally aspirated V8 to racing spec than stuffing around with the supercharged V8.

[jam3z07]

could u stuff a big 10/71 blower (supercharger) on top of a V12 jag????

[swampmarshy]

@jarviss64 Ohh Yeah. Now that does sound like a great idea. Yes, you are very correct about the heat from the supercharger too. I seem to remember a team running an XKR in Nations cup, or GTP, or something (OK I'm not exactly sure) but they did seem to have a lot of probl;ems keeping the engine reliable. It always seemed to be dead on the side of whatever circuit they were on after half race distance.

[jarviss64]

@swampmarshy yeah, there was an XKR in the Nations Cup for a season, but that bloody supercharger caused a lot of heat problems. I remember watching the damn thing slow down as the heat built up. PAul Gentilozzi in the US raced an XK8 in the US in one of their production series and flogged everything, but he used a naturally aspirated engine. The latest Jag V8 is 5 litres and has stacks of power, so would easily clean up the Chev/Ford engined cars.

[Mercmad]

@jarviss64 it is a Ford V8 is it not?

[jam3z07]

i gotta take my hat off to the jags, because they are bloody quick, good quaity machinery. there would be only 1 reason that holdens aren't THE best quality cars in the world, and that's because they're australian, and australia isn't the richest country in the world.

[djc0247]

Jaguar left the Holdens in their dust, its a shame we don't see the Jaguars racing now it would be interesting! I would have loved to see an XJ220 race there 0 to 100 kph in 4 seconds! and 343kph! in 1991! don't think the Holdens would have kept up. Always wanted Peter brock to win though he was a very nice man just goes to show how dangerous that rally driving is, its safer on a proper race track.

[jam3z07]

mate, holden didn't invest in trying to make one of the worlds fastest cars back in those days, that's why you don't see holdens performing 0-100km/h (or 0-60mph, however you wanna put it) in 4 seconds flat, or having a top speed of over 200mph.

[frombris]

NOOOOO, the 308 and 304 exhaust note was the best, listen to peter brocks and larry perkins shootout laps on here and they sound so fucken good, the best iv heard

[jam3z07]

it sounds good for a V12, but brocky's MOBIl holden VN SS Group A commodore was better.

[ihatenissanskylines]

i got nothing against euro cars at the moment, it's just the drivers personallity that im referring to.

[ihatenissanskylines]

it's the same with our drivers in a way, but we tend to be a little bit carefull sometimes, because we know there's a risk of buring the car half way up a wall, or of an engine failure. we try to get around things, where as the euro drivers just wanna go straight through it. does that make any sense to anyone?

[ihatenissanskylines]

the thing about european racecar drivers is that they're not as conservative with their cars as i expected, because tom's a character who likes to push hard all the time. he almost revved it all the way to cut-off, going up mountain straight, that's not the best for the engine. when brock was racing in europe in 1986, he wanted to keep the car in one piece, and he actually cared about his car, but with euro drivers, they just don't care, they just want to win races.

[ihatenissanskylines]

he was in the 20's or the 19's, wasn't he????

[ihatenissanskylines]

ill tell ya what, that's a bloody quick lap, even by today's standards, i reckon. it hurts me when i say this, but that jag beats the shit out of a holden when it comes to the exhaust note, i can't get enough of it.

[jam3z07]

i've had my car for 8 years, hy hasn't the leather ripped? holdens havn't ALWAYS used cheap stuff.

[jam3z07]

i don't know why people acknowledge the fact that holden was doing it tuff back then, they were doing things the hard way, and as i said before, holden nearly went broke. but what about jaguar? did they almost go broke because of the compromises they made? tell me about it. im not saying that people should like holdens or anything, im just pointing out a few things. holden attempted to match european car in quality and performance, and they failed.

[jam3z07]

holdens probably used cheap leather back then, because holden nearly went broke trying to build their own engines, they cared a lot about their own machinery, they tried everything to keep building their own motors. as a result, holden nearly went broke, no wonder they couldn't afford good quality stuff. i don't know why people don't acknowledge the fact that holden was doin it tuff, and they did things the hard way.

[jam3z07]

i've had my Holden commodore VT 1998 model for 8 years, and i use it quite frequently, everything works properly, and it's all standard. mate if you say that holdens use cheap leather, why is it that my leather seats havn't ripped? i havn't done much to it, besides polish it once every now and then.

[djc0247]

1986 Jaguar Sovereign. 4.2 litre "twin cam".7 main bearings! fuel injected /oil cooler [used for 40 years!]..inc in militry tanks!.All ind suspension [subframes] 4 shockers on rear/wax injection rust protection/electric seats /mirrors/windows/sunroof/ rear reading lights/ ariel/climate control/burr walnut/dashboard/door trim /all "Connolly" leather hides/headlight washer wipers/fog lights/elec door locks/central locking/trip computer full instumentation...and all of the above still works!

[djc0247]

As an example of just how far ahead Jags are I will post some of the "engineering" and "quality features that the 1986 Jaguar sovereign had! then compare that to a 1986 Holden satesman....you will also realise that the 'new" cars are only just catching up to the 21 year old Jaguars!....

[djc0247]

I'm sure the new Holdens are very good but you can't compare them to the Jaguars...a new calais is $56,490...the basic xj6 2.7 is $155.000...the top model Jaguar is the xjr4.2 $239,900!...they are light years ahead of Holdens...thats why they are so expensive,..new Holden would be good ..but not in the same "class " as Jaguar in any respect...

[jam3z07]

i gotta admit, jaguars sound awsome, and they go good, but i just don't agree that holdes are "el cheapo" in comparison to jags and euro cars

[ozcritic]

jam3z07's not talking about the older cars, he's talking about the current day Holden VE commodore, and i agree with what he said, because i own a VE commodore calais (one of the top of the line commodores), i've had it for just over a year, and it hasn't fallen apart, it hasn't torn, and it's still in top nic, and i use it regularly, and plus, the ride is better than that of a jag or a mercedes or an audi.

[Twin540i]

imagine coming over the hill at 1:46 and seeing a kangaroo in the road.

[djc0247]

I have to say I don't agree about the holden matching Jaguar in build quality, I know someone who owns an 18 month old monaro and the leather is tearing while the 1986 xj6 we own has leather that is still all in tact and in top nic....it would have been top quality leather in 1986 , where as the Holdens use cheaper leather and it does not last. To be honest its hard to tell the difference between a new Holden and a new camery. All the interiers look the same, I owned a 1974 HQ it fell to bits!

[jam3z07]

alot of people only cared about the holdens in the early Group A days because they were australian built, not like the euro cars, which are the price of a house these days.

[jam3z07]

mate, we build cars that rival jaguars and other europeans....... for half the money.

[xjforty]

What would be an example?

[jam3z07]

the holden calais. i've been in a mercedes, a BMW, a jaguar, and an audi, as well as the calais. and they all match when it comes to the quality. the holden is australian made, what's wrong with australian product? we're competitive. oh, and don't forget the ford falcon, and it's low volume car maker, FPV (ford performance vehicals).

[xjforty]

With all due respect, and not detracting from the quality or price of cars you mention, the point here is that this V12 XJ-S got pole position (in 1985) and I'd say that the vehicle attained the speed and time it did largely due to it's engine capacity and the driver's sheer ability on the day.

[jam3z07]

if only there wasn't any delays getting the the VK Group A commodore onto the track, the VK would have won by miles, the commodores that were in that race were the x group C cars that ran in the race the year before, except they were converted to Group A form. but because no engine mods were permitted, the commodores got slower and slower, they lost power, they were heavier, and they really did look like chunks of shit racing on the track.

[djc0247]

In reply to the modern cars being quicker...Jaguar have built some of the best quality and fastest cars ever made. For example the Jaguar xj220 1991 v6 3.5 litre twin cam top speed 213mph [343kph] and 0 to 60mph [100kph] in 4 seconds in 1991! I still don't see the Fords or Holdens doing that at bathurst or anywhere else in 2007!...you can not compare a Ford or a Holden with a Jaguar they would not stand up in any way from the build quality or the performance...

[djc0247]

Enjoyed the video, yes the xjs Jaguar added to a long history of Jaguar racing cars they won Lemans 24 hour too back in the 50's remember they have a history of building fast cars with class not just ass. E.g. 1948 xk120 140mph 0to60mph[100kmh] in 8.4 seconds! it used 6 cyl twin cam xk engine used in various models inc the xj6 1967 to 1987. the 1961 E type [same engine] 150mph 0to 60mph in 7.5 secs! and in 1957 there was the xk ss 150mph and 0 to 60 mph in 5.2 secs!

[ozcritic]

0-60mph (or 0-100 km/h)in 8 seconds is slow by modern day standards, but when you gte down into the 5's or the high 4's, that is fast. i wanna see the le mans cars come over to the bathurst 1000 racetrack, and then we'll see how fast european racecars and the le mans cars really are!!

[jam3z07]

they would enormos horsepower underneath the hood if they wud go close to 291 km/h on conrod!! inagine how long the current day supercars would be on the rev limiter had they not built the chase. that's a awsome sounding car, though.

[xjforty]

Great vehicle, even today, and handled here superbly

[ihatenissanskylines]

a good driver? tom walkinshaw ruined larry perkins commodore after he wrecked his own, he jumped into perkins car, revved it too high, it broke. what makes it worse is that larry told him not to rev it like that, and he didn't listen. if tom hadn't jumped into larry's car, larry would easily have won the race, because he was running 2nd in the race. tom walkinshaw can't drive a racecar for shit without destroying it.

[MF301HA]

History would disagree.

Walkinshaw's numerous Group A victories through Europe at classic, car breaking races like the Nurburgring Nordschleife, Spa 24 Hours, and Brno.

Highlight while Walkinshaw was hard, so were his TWR Jaguars and Rovers.

[jasondinalt2008]

Walkinshaw also insisted on using alloy struts despite Perkins telling him they failed in testing the previous week, result, broken rear struts, one retired bat mobile. Walkinshaw jumps in perkins car and breaks a couple of rocker studs from to much RPM. Until then Walkinshaws times were a couple of seconds slower than perkins, and another balls up was TWR insisting on using Yokahomo tyres despite perkins car being developed and set up on Dunlop tyres and proved slower on the yokis

[jam3z07]

what suspension was perkins using?????

[heyitisyou]

thats my dream car and always has been

[iloveparee]

this is awesome, almost like ur drivin.

He's a good driver. car is great---just

flies by the others! enjoyed it, enjoy my

X-type too

[AUSSIEBOII13]

back in the days before the chase..

[ozcritic]

have u got any in-car camera footage of peter brock that yea?

[robobaroobob]

i cant get enough of that v 12

[wcb67]

I was there that year ( bathurst Australia) and the Jags 'blew away' EVERY other car on the track, including Ford Mustang V8's, General Motors V8's and a host of BMW and Japanese cars. there were 3 jags and they came 1st and 3rd. ( the other blew an oil pump preventing it taking 2nd spot!)

[jarviss64]

Actually it didn't blow an oil pump. The third car had a little front end bingle on lap one, I think at hell's corner.  The headlight glass broke and bits of busted glass went into the air intake and were ingested into the engine, which subsequently died.

[wcb67]

Yeah correct but I recall there being oil all over the engine as well. I remember the Walkinshaw pit crew having problems wiping the oil off the windscreen.

[MF301HA]

Indeed, it was Walkinshaw/Percy's No.8 TWR XJ-S suffered oil cooler holed by debris from another car.

Allam/Dickson's No.9 TWR XJ-S retired in the opening laps.

If I'm not mistaken Walkinshaw/Percy were leading comfortably until the oil cooler issue late in the race.

They lost 3 laps trying to contain it, eventually finished 3rd.

No.10 TWR XJ-S Goss/Hahne went on to win.

Ravaglia/Cecotto Schnitzer 635CSi 2nd.

Big ups to the Willmington/Janson privateer XJ-S.

Finished 14th, 13 laps down.

[chod3nuggets]

i love the sound of that V12!!

[Twin540i]

2nd place was a Volvo ?????????????????????

[chod3nuggets]

yep, volvo's weren't slow in the 80's

[jasondinalt2008]

Rubbish!!! Second place went to Johnny Cecotto and Roberto Ravaglia in the Goold Motorsport BMW635Csi. Third went to Walkinshaw/Percy in the TWR Jag. Think about this, what if Richards hadnt slid on a commodores broken engine oil into the sand trap and spent 5 laps in the trap, where would he have finished? He came fourth, 3 laps down. Where would Johnson had finished if the wheel was seated correctly and the oil cooler hadnt split, he lost five laps, and finished 7th, four laps down

[SierraKilo9]

WE didn't retain to much fondness for the TWR Jags did we? ... Pity, I remember watching the race and they were quoting 280kph down conrod.

[jasondinalt2008]

Mike Raymond claimed that on calculations from the TWR tacho, but the highest radar speed recorded speed that year (in the race) was Tom Walkinshaw 271kmh , fastest the following year was Alan Moffat in the HDT 05 dunnydore at 272, the top cars in 86 were 3-4 seconds faster in qualifying than the 85 TWR jags and the fastest lap by Alan Grice in 86 was 3 seconds faster than the fastest lap in 85

[gcmc2]

Well in fact the trap speeds are not relevant for two reasons. A cornerstone of proper motorsport strategy is winning at the slowest possible speed. Secondly it makes no sense ( PR sense or any other kind ) for TWR to execute a cake walk & effectively destroy the race. It is just plain fact that the jags did win in '85 at a cruise.  Walkinshaw & Heyer ran in the touring car race at the Macau GP a few months earlier and were hitting 291 kph on the relatively short straight.

[Waratahoftroy]

mate they were limping home, the things were fast brilliant cars and its testament to that the break they made but they were very fortunate the unique stress the bathurst 1000 puts on race cars didn't end them. its widely known had they not had that break they would of blown up at the end trying to push for victory

walkinshaw himself was very impressed with what he competed against in that race, very.

afterall he did buy into Australian muscle cars a short time later.

[gcmc2]

HMMM ... Just like they limped to the ETTC winning more races than all others combined? Like they Limped home to win 2 SCCA chanpionships against the Porsches & B/B Corvettes. Like V12s limped home in the world Hydraplane boat championships where only the bell heicopter engined boats came with in 1km of them. B/B v8s were busy firing pushrods through their hulls. Walkinshaw miles ahead until oil cooler broke on S/bump. Dickson car sucked glass into engine. No limping done. STUDY young man

[Jetwreck]

Not sure wether it's this exact car....but it should be racing at Australian Muscle car series 2007 on Fathers day this year....cannot wait......sex on Wheels it is...P.S. Better pedal quick to keep infront of the NISSANS.

[dochenry]

very cool, my Mums cousin actually owned this car after it was retired from racing. I don't know if he still has it or not though. Good video, thanks for posting this..

[zid00001]

Jag's are still sex on wheels-you can keep your Ferrari's

[FM77]

lovely video..