@AllSmiles87X I am defending the view that life is meaningless due to the way matter is arranged in my brain. From a universal perspective, life has no meaning. People do not do things based on logic, people do things and believe in things based on how atoms are arranged in one's brain. When you die, you stop existing. There was a time when you didn't exist and it was the past 14 billion years. Imagine not existing forever. You become nothing.
@h8tingit No, I do not see a contradiction to this. I am not trying to make a point, I am stating a fact. Saying that there is a meaning to life would be subjective because life itself doesn't exist from a universal point of view. What does exist are atoms that make up you. Just because we classify a certain arrangement of atoms as life doesn't mean that there is a purpose for that arrangement of atoms. Any meaning to life is from your own point of view, not independent of any observer.
@WhyLifeIsPointless i call it a point, you call it a fact. it all ends up the same place: you making a meaningful explanation at the same time implying that everything is meaningless. i agree that the meaning to life is subjective but that's not the argued topic. the argued topic is you leaving comments you agreed was pointless.
@h8tingit Guess what? It's pointless to watch TV, yet I do it. I also agree that it's pointless for me to say anything. A dog does things without a reason and I do as well. It doesn't matter that animals can't explain the meaning to life. When born, I went from being incapable to understanding a meaning to life to being able to, yet the entire time I was doing things. h8tingit, why don't you tell me what the meaning of life is since you think there is one.
@WhyLifeIsPointless you went from being incapable of understanding a meaning to being capable of understanding because you were taught that. children, the mentally handicapped, even a deaf, blind, and mute individual are taught to understand--helen keller is proof of this. animals, i don't care if even anne sullivan teaches them, will never be able to comphrehend and hold an intelligent conversation. and let's not change the subject, you said and even agreed that saying anything was pointless.
@WhyLifeIsPointless don't you see the contradiction in this? you are trying to make a point while at the same time implying that everything is pointless.
@WhyLifeIsPointless My question to you is why are you defending the view that life is pointless if in fact life is pointless? The fact that you are defending your position that life is meaningless tells me you find value in standing for your position and in so doing proves that you believe in meaning and that life is not pointless.
@h8tingit The words meaning, life, existence, hope, color, taste, are all secondary qualities and do not exist from a universal standpoint. What tastes sweet to one organism can taste bitter to another. From a universal standpoint, life is just a bunch of very complex molecules that replicate, like crystals. When you die, you won't exist anymore, it will be as if you never existed. So how can you say that there is a meaning to life when you will take the perspective of nothing after death?
@WhyLifeIsPointless sorry, i don't care how you dress things up, if you believe life is pointless, everything you said is pointless and there is no sense in you leaving comments. you just don't understand, do you?
@h8tingit No, I do not contradict myself by leaving a comment. I am an organism, I do things based off the atoms in my brain. Dogs can't comprehend what a meaning to life is, yet they still do things and "care" about things. Life itself is a secondary quality, life does not exist. If I care for something or do something by leaving a comment, it is because of the arrangement of atoms in my brain which cause me to "care". You should see my video /watch?v=y4R3Bjq2qVo
@WhyLifeIsPointless animals can't form words and hold an intelligent conversation. animals can't explain the meaning of life, how to drive a car, how to cook, etc. who are you to speak for them? no, as i said before, if believe that life is pointless, everything you said is pointless and there is no reason for you to be leaving comments.
Is the meaning of life to live and then die? I think, nope scratch that I know thay anyone who truely understands the complexity of life itself, and not social but body function would take into concideration that, Oh lets say 1 million eye nerves connect to the same number of nerves coming from the brain. Can some one show me where that just happens from chance? So your sight is something given to you from the creator. But satan want you to believe that it just happens. Praise God is meaning!!
It doesn't matter on how positive you are, false hope and positive delusions won't prevent you from meeting your own demise. Life is pointless and it may sound negative, but it's the truth. In the end, it won't matter and no one will matter. Your born through a biological coincedence, you live for a cosmic blink, you become a goverment wage-slave to work for these corrupt corporations and big businesses, you retire, grow old, and then you die.
I love the random non specific critical commentaries. Rather than just asserting your disagreement, give a reason. Otherwise you are combatting a reasoned, logical argument with 'meaningless' noise!
i said no. he said yes. i said no. he said yes. i said no. i said say it again. he said its meaningless. so i said i assume that you assume that what you just said was meainingful, but what you said was meaningful; on the other hand its meaning less, so sit down.
I think what angers people and frustrates them is that they feel there really is some sort of meaning behind all, but we don't know it. Most people on the planet are motivated to tolerate existance by fear - fear of pain, physical or mental, and the only opposite motive is pleasure. So it's either the stick or the velvet glove. Seek pleasure actively or GTFO, is what basically life is. But pleasure is meaningles too.
The life of single-cell amoeba is meaningless in the cosmic sense. Possibly one of them at some time or the other will have some effect on something that matters but any individual one will live and die without making a ripple much less a wave. That is not to say that amoeba won't attempt to survive meaningless as it is.
Is a human life more meaningful ? I'd say no not in a cosmic sense. When humanity ends neither Caesar nor I will have mattered.
"Go Ravi... You are the best."- at what? churning out the same dishonest yarns with the same words and the venues altered? lying about being a senior research fellow at Oxford- he's not and never has been. lying about darwin?
what? what exactly is this dishonest, ignorant buffoon "the best" at?
If this is indeed the only life we are going to have, and at death our "self" is nonexistant forever, then life has meaning the size of a grain of sand. Through sex, we are just...here...to do...well whatever we want, whether to do evil or good. ULTIMATELY, however, none of it all matters, you see? However, it is the only time we get to be "alive", thanks to our evolved brain. But in the end, it all doesn't matter. In conclusion life means very little.
These are just silly word games. Life is not simply a language. It really has no 'meaning' and so what? This is not a bad thing!!! Life is a profound experience!! Those who are obsessed with somehow decoding life and finding its 'meaning' surely must either have a lack of the experience of life or have repressed it for some reason.
@itzahazylife yet if there is no afterlife you will never even know you ever lived or ever enjoyed yourself. Making life is a nutshell pointless. This is why there is a need for an afterlife, to make life have a point.
"yet if there is no afterlife you will never even know you ever lived or ever enjoyed yourself. Making life is a nutshell pointless."
that's why life is life and death is death..while you're alive, u live. and when you're dead, u don't live..that's the whole point...u don't believe in an afterlife because u need a point to life, u believe in an afterlife because u fear death..but, there very well could be an afterlife, so, by all means, stick to your faith.
@itzahazylife How are you so certain that "when you're dead, u don't live". The only way to know if there is an afterlife or not is if you have died yourself, which I am pretty sure you have not. All we know for certain is that we are living now, so why is it so hard to believe in a life after this one? It would make sense and mean life has a point.
ALSO, I believe in an afterlife because I believe life is not pointless, not because I "fear death" as you assume.
i'm NOT certain..when did i say i was certain?..i don't know death is the end of consciousness. but, i do know that our known consciousness is generated by the brain..so, when my brain dies, i'm expecting all that makes me ryan, to die with it..that's what the word death means..no more life. so, that's what i'm expecting. maybe my energy is used somewhere else in the universe, but i don't expect my personality to live on..hence, i'll be dead.
"So crucify the ego before it's far too late to leave behind this place, so negative and blind and cynical, and you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable." -Tool
This guy tries to complicate everything because he has no other way to answer... what a fucking idiot.
He talks about words meaning something and life meaning something being the same.. it's not .. words may mean something now.. but life will not mean anything after your dead, nor the words, therefore in the long run, life IS meaningless.. you just gotta have fun and not worry about it. cheers.
why strive to have fun then, if it amounts to nothing in the end? Is there no value or meaning in fun? But obviously, you must belief there is some sort of value or meaning in fun, if you are to spend a meaningless life pursuing it...right?
Just be quiet, you're just complicating words now.
Life IS meaningless in the end. There are meaningful things in life that have to be meaningful to us, but in the long run, after your dead, life IS meaningless. Play on words will not help life be meaningful after your dead.
I'm not trying to affirm your attitudes, or make you depressed, but if there is no point or meaning to your life, because of death, then why spend another minute living at all...you know? What is that would make you want to live now, if death inevitably undid everything?
You live just like all other animals and stuff, live enjoy life have fun, and when u die you wont know about it.. you live till you die and not worry bout death, i dont worry bout death cus i enjoy life. but in all seriousness if you want to get really technical life doesnt have a meaning.
@nicf17 Boy, did I make a typo, here is what i was trying to say: One quick question, Are you dead yet??? You argue against yourself,, becasue you say life is meaningless "when" you die. Ravi is talking about the PRESENT. Ahd NO one can EVER SAY their life is meaningless while they are alive! And you say "there are meaningful things in life: LISTEN to yourself! if there are meaningful things IN life, life is NOT meaningless!!!
This is mixing apples and oranges. Life has a meaning it is called Karma or the Lila, but to each situation we assign the meaning based on our own interpretation.
who knows if life is meaningless. I just think life is a very sad story if you live it with sincerity. It is melancholic, mysterious, hectic, violent, surprising, but most of all very lonesome. Life; extremely too serious when we are decaying but yet meaningless when death has split us apart. Sometimes I say to myself, “So what if we are figures of dreams living the "wet dream" of a banker, stock broker, politician, preacher or in other words the psychotic ideas and morals of this civilization.
@ClamCrunchy Evolution can not create. It is a process. To create requires agency, thought and intent. Evolution has none of those things. It is simply a random process. If there is a God then evolution is no longer random. Rather it becomes the chosen process which God used to create diversity. What appears random to our finite brains, is actually all part of God's creative plan.
@MrFF39 Creation does not require agency, thought or intent. Right now, countless stars and planets are being created throughout the universe by unthinking laws of physics. Eventually solar systems may form like our own, and life may evolve after billions of years. No thought was needed anywhere in such a process.
@ClamCrunchy Creation does not require agency, thought or intent. Right now, countless stars and planets are being created throughout the universe by unthinking laws of physics. Eventually solar systems may form like our own, and life may evolve after billions of years. No thought was needed anywhere in such a process.
Life is meaningless in the following sense: We are not here for any cosmic purpose, there is no God that cares about us, and the universe does not care about us. There is no more meaning to life for a human than a chimpanzee, rat, or any other animal.
@ClamCrunchy Well said! A good honest assessment of a godless universe. However, thankfully since there is a God, we do have purpose and meaning exists! Every human life is precious because we were created for a purpose - to love God and to love one another for eternity.
@nicf17 Prove to me that you exist. Prove to me that the sun will appear in the sky tomorrow morning. Prove to me that you're not just part of a bad dream I'm having! There is very little that can be proven. We can only use evidence to make conclusions. And if you are unaware of all the arguments and evidences for the existence of God which are out there - then it is you who are ignorant. All the best in your search.
@ClamCrunchy Let's put your statement about human life having no more meaning than a chimpanzee, rat, or any other animal. If you were to run over a rat in the road, would you feel the same as if you had run over a 3 year old human boy? I would venture to say that running over a boy would have a different affect on you emotionally. Why? Because you know that human life is more special than animal life.
It seems valid.But an obvious flaw is that it seems to equivocate on "meaning" as in "objective purpose" and "meaning" as in "semantic meaning." I don't think the atheist has be committed 2 believing Atheism entails the lost of semantic meaning; though it does entail the loss of objective purpose. Perhaps an argument could be offered that atheism does, in fact, entail the loss of semantic meaning since it is not clear how physical matter can have semantic meaning--an irreducible mental property
The writer of Ecclesiastes does not intend to imply that there is no significance to life. Only a life that is separate from God. The concluding paragraph in Ecc says, "Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep His commandments for this is the whole duty of man.
@lahori76 Are you referring to YOURSELF? Have you LEARNED this language from your Mother? Why listen to the video if you are not in DOUBT about truth in your own life? Why dont you just create your own youtube video and 'people' like you can come and respond TO YOU the same way? Hope you FELT wonderful after posting your VERY INSIGHTFUL comment above - CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! And I know how you are GOING to react - just like your mother taught you at home!!!!
so his philosophy is that life is meaningful as long as people think it has meaning...just because i think what im saying has meaning doesnt mean it does in the big picture of things
@mike93345: I didn't get that at all from him, but I am also familiar with the context. This video only gives a snippet from the entire concept, but life can only have a sense of meaning and purpose when it is lived in the context of the existence of God (bad structure, I know). The teacher written of in Ecclesiastes wrote it best when he wrote that all is meaningless, going further to say that everything under the sun is meaningless for their is no underlying purpose but the immediate.
The only thing meaningless here is this huckster's childish babble. It is flattering to the uneducated because it makes them feel superior to academics, and helps this Bible-thumper rake in millions tax-free every year. Pandering to the lowest common denominator is the quickest way to get rich in America and other third world countries where ignorance rules. Btw, how did this charlatan immigrate to the US with no useful skill? Can he be deported?
@aaaavedon: "Huckster's childish babble." How preposterous! If you consider yourself apt enough to refute this, do so; otherwise, you must silence your opposition here.
saying life is not meaningless is saying there's no fixed meaning of life.. especially as what the religions claim...
that doesn't meaning we can't have meaning in life... we can give a meaning to it... in way that's better and more fulfiling than what the religions preach...
Douche response, really. If life is simply defined by what we give meaning in, then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Existentialism means well and makes a good point, but why even give meaning to the meaning you give? Ultimately it can't be answered.
Douche response, really. If life is simply defined by what we give meaning in, then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Existentialism means well and makes a good point, but why even give meaning to the meaning you give? Ultimately it can't be answered.
@AbsurdumAnteMortem Clearly, but I think what Ravi is actually getting at here is the idea that very few people actually ascribe to existential and moral nihilism; rather, by their actions, showing that they consider certain things to be existentially meaningful (e.g. truth), or morally correct/incorrect.
@AbsurdumAnteMortem However, if one ascribes to the concept of metaphysical naturalism (under which life is objectively meaningless) and the notion that, as Haldane put it, mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in our brains, we have no reason to suppose that those beliefs are true ... and hence we have no reason for supposing our brains to be composed of atoms (metaphysical naturalism), or for supposing the concomitant, existential nihilism.
Everything as a whole is meaningless, but the specific situations we experience hold the meaning we as individuals assign it. SO, the only reason for existence is to explore the infinite possibilities that exist with in it.
You said you really don't like to put people down - but actually you did. So why, don't you make your case with positive supportive arguments rather than fighting a straw man.
Furthermore, asking for an answer about the meaning of life (itself) presupposes the existence of a thinking entity that created life. So, back to the beginning - does this thinking creator exist?
It is the core idea of Taoism and Buddhism. Meaningful meaningless and meaningless meaning. Natural unnaturalness and unnatural naturalness. Not one can exist without the other.
People: I do not know who keeps tagging muley1 a's comments as spam, but please stop. He is not spam, he is an intelligent, thoughtful person who deserves the same respect we give everyone else on this message board.
See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
To all atheists: if you received a one page handwritten letter in the mail, you would assume that someone wrote it. Well, one human cell contains a *letter* of carefully ordered, systematically designed code for functioning which is 1000 encyclopedias long. So let me get this straight: the one page letter is designed, but the 1000 encyclopedias-long code is NOT? Absurd. Design, logical function and complexity do not arise out of explosions and chance, only a Mind: God.
Who 'designed' god then. Surely an entity so incredibly complex could not 'arise out of explosions and chance'
Sigh. It's futile us having a debate. I will remain a happy Atheist all my life and you will remain a happy Christain. I know I only have one life to live so i'm making the most of very second of it, and it's a beautiful life. I imagine you shouldn't worry to much about wasting this life. You've got heaven awaiting you.
@muley1a God is the self-existent Fact. Noone designed God. God always existed. And this debate is not futile: if I am wrong, I lose nothing, but if you are wrong, you lose everything, eternally. Christians such as myself believe BOTH this life AND the next are infinitely precious. What you call *wasting this life* is actually love, joy, peace and hope on a level you can't even imagine. Everything we do in this life has eternal consequences.
@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
@muley1a I never said everything requires causality. The premise is that everything that BEGINS requires causality. You, along with Daniel Dennett, make this fundamental mistake. Everything that BEGINS, which includes the Universe, requires causality. God never began: He has always existed, and thus is the self-existent Fact, the first Cause and thus the Uncaused Cause. There is nothing logically inconsistent if one states the premise correctly.
@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
@muley1a "Who created God?" is a commonly asked question for many people - including Christians. But, it is not an essential part to believing in a God. You do not need to know "who" or "what" created something for that something to exist - that would cause an information overload.
But, the question is answered in a video I made, check it out.
@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
Who 'designed' god then. Surely an entity so incredibly complex could not 'arise out of explosions and chance'
Sigh. It's futile us having a debate. I will remain a happy Atheist all my life and you will remain a happy Christain. I know I only have one life to live so i'm making the most of very second of it, and it's a beautiful life. I imagine you shouldn't worry to much about wasting this life. You've got heaven awaiting you.
To all atheists: if you received a one page handwritten letter in the mail, you would assume that someone wrote it. Well, one human cell contains a *letter* of carefully ordered, systematically designed code for functioning which is 1000 encyclopedias long. So let me get this straight: the one page letter is designed, but the 1000 encyclopedias-long code is NOT? Absurd. Design, logical function and complexity do not arise out of explosions and chance, only a Mind: God.
Saying that life is meaningless without god is not an argument for god's existence. I could say that my life is meaningless without my own personal unicorn who watches over me, but this would not lead you to believe that unicorns actually exist.
@muley1a You comparing the self-existent Fact, the God who created and sustains you every single moment of your life, the God who created the Universe, to a *personal unicorn* is breathtakingly sad and ridiculous. Life is an existential nightmare without God, and only logically consistent atheists get that (examples: Nietzche, Satre, Camus, Woody Allen). Even those guys could not live lives with consistent non-meaning. Have you ever read about Voltaire's deathbed scene? Horror.
@justin10292000 I agree that life is an existential nightmare. But this does not prove that god exists. I would much rather endure such an existential nightmare than try and fool myself into believing that god exists. It's comforting to think that life has some kind of grand meaning. This is why a lot of people choose to believe in god. However, this merely points to the DESIRABILTY of belief in god. It is no proof of God's existence.
@muley1a I am saddened by the fact that you believe that life is an existential nightmare. You are at least logically consistent within your atheistic framework, and I admire that, but at what a price! :(
@raoskaos: I got news for you. Evolutionists, atheists, etc. are just as if not more closeminded than Creationists. AND they have NO evidence backing up their philosophies, whereas my side has evidence in abundance. Your ad hominem attacks just spotlight your own closemindednesss, lack of objectivity and defensiveness. Macroevolution is a fairytale.
Errr where is this abundant evidence you speak of? I think it's ridiculous to say that atheists are more close-minded than creationists. We accept the fallibility of our own theories of the world. If new evidence surfaces we admit that we were previously wrong. This constitutes an impassioned search for the truth. Theists on the other hand simply cling to their ancient dogmas, rarely questioning their validity.
@muley1a: Noone should simply *cling to ancient dogmas without questioning their validity*, and I most certainly do not. On my channel profile is a huge list of books which lay out the evidence for God, the soul, the afterlife, etc. Read *I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist* by Geisler and Turek for a thorough, logical, and systematic presentation of this evidence.
@muley1a The evidence for God includes Cosmic Fine Tuning (Teleological Principle), Big Bang Cosmology, Human Rationality, the process of Thinking itself, the Higher Moral Law, The Kalaam Argument, Irreducible Complexity/Cell Complexity (which put the lie to the evolution philosophy), etc., etc., etc. The reason only a tiny minority embrace and have EVER embraced atheism is that it takes a huge leap of faith to ignore all of this and other evidence.
@raoskaos: Your ad hominem attacks are predictable and pathetic, and clearly demonstrate the total lack of evidence for your side of the argument. Yawn. Can't you even TRY to be intelligent and convincing?
justin, please do your best to treat people with respect in this forum. i will tell raoskaos to do the same thing. feel free to engage in debate, just put your best argument and best face forward without insulting others. thank you!
@justin10292000 One single atheist using ad hominem attacks does not 'clearly demonstrate the total lack of evidence for [our] side of the argument.' What a ridiculous thing to say.
Look the simple fact is this: Most religious people base their beliefs upon FAITH. Most atheists base their beliefs upon EVIDENCE. And if new evidences surfaces which contradicts what we previously though we will happily change our beliefs.
@muley1a : It is not just one atheist, it is a pattern that I have seen time and time again. EVERYONE has faith, including atheists, believing presuppositions that cannot be proven with 100% certainty. Atheists have faith in the beliefs that there are no God, afterlife, soul or day of judgment. Atheists cannot prove any of these do not exist, and the reason only a tiny minority embrace atheism is that the evidence shows otherwise.
@justin10292000 Look at the way you're talking to these people!! And you call yourself a Christian? SHAME! SHAME! Better to give up your child Jason now to a loving Christian family, than for him to grow up in a household with a toxic person like you!
@CecilTheSeaMonster Yes, I am. Good thing I am reliant on the finished work of Jesus Christ, and not on anything I could ever attempt to do! If I did, I would be an even bigger failure than I already am.
@justin10292000 How is that unconvincing? A claim cannot contradict itself without rendering itself null and void. And furthermore, by saying to Ravi, "Yawn. Can't you even TRY to be intelligent and convincing?", makes an Ad Hominem attack. Furthermore, you seem to have a "total lack of evidence for your side of the argument". All you said is that he was unintelligent and unconvincing. I must respectfully ask you for evidence to support your claim.
@Juands10: He has the courage of his convictions, and he uses his God-given rationality and logical thinking to come to commonsense conclusions. Shrugs. Instead of ad hominem attacks, why don't you take on his position in a logical, intelligent manner?
@raoskaos: Please explain exactly how what Ravi Zacharias says in this video is illogical. The man is a former atheist and no idiot. Your ad hominem attack does nothing to refute what he says, and says more about you, the namecaller, than it does about him or anyone else.
@raoskaos: Everyone deserves a proper response, even those who believe in the fairytale absurdity called evolution, which is anti-science and is merely a philosophy based on faulty presuppositions and wishful thinking. Variations within species, sure, we all agree that those occur. What there is NO evidence for is macroevolution: species do not and never have turned into other species. The philosophy of evolution violates basic scientific principles, such as the Law of Entropy.
@raoskaos: For someone who does not respond to or answer people with whom he does not agree, you sure are doing a lot of answering and responding! There is no evidence for the silly philosophical construct called evolution. Reserve your pity for yourself. End the Dawkins Delusion!
Hey paki. shut the fuck up.
EnigmaticConduct 3 days ago
@AllSmiles87X I am defending the view that life is meaningless due to the way matter is arranged in my brain. From a universal perspective, life has no meaning. People do not do things based on logic, people do things and believe in things based on how atoms are arranged in one's brain. When you die, you stop existing. There was a time when you didn't exist and it was the past 14 billion years. Imagine not existing forever. You become nothing.
WhyLifeIsPointless 1 week ago
Gould is a tit!
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@h8tingit No, I do not see a contradiction to this. I am not trying to make a point, I am stating a fact. Saying that there is a meaning to life would be subjective because life itself doesn't exist from a universal point of view. What does exist are atoms that make up you. Just because we classify a certain arrangement of atoms as life doesn't mean that there is a purpose for that arrangement of atoms. Any meaning to life is from your own point of view, not independent of any observer.
WhyLifeIsPointless 2 months ago
@WhyLifeIsPointless i call it a point, you call it a fact. it all ends up the same place: you making a meaningful explanation at the same time implying that everything is meaningless. i agree that the meaning to life is subjective but that's not the argued topic. the argued topic is you leaving comments you agreed was pointless.
h8tingit 2 months ago
@h8tingit Guess what? It's pointless to watch TV, yet I do it. I also agree that it's pointless for me to say anything. A dog does things without a reason and I do as well. It doesn't matter that animals can't explain the meaning to life. When born, I went from being incapable to understanding a meaning to life to being able to, yet the entire time I was doing things. h8tingit, why don't you tell me what the meaning of life is since you think there is one.
WhyLifeIsPointless 2 months ago
@WhyLifeIsPointless you went from being incapable of understanding a meaning to being capable of understanding because you were taught that. children, the mentally handicapped, even a deaf, blind, and mute individual are taught to understand--helen keller is proof of this. animals, i don't care if even anne sullivan teaches them, will never be able to comphrehend and hold an intelligent conversation. and let's not change the subject, you said and even agreed that saying anything was pointless.
h8tingit 2 months ago
@WhyLifeIsPointless don't you see the contradiction in this? you are trying to make a point while at the same time implying that everything is pointless.
h8tingit 2 months ago
@WhyLifeIsPointless My question to you is why are you defending the view that life is pointless if in fact life is pointless? The fact that you are defending your position that life is meaningless tells me you find value in standing for your position and in so doing proves that you believe in meaning and that life is not pointless.
AllSmiles87X 1 week ago
@h8tingit The words meaning, life, existence, hope, color, taste, are all secondary qualities and do not exist from a universal standpoint. What tastes sweet to one organism can taste bitter to another. From a universal standpoint, life is just a bunch of very complex molecules that replicate, like crystals. When you die, you won't exist anymore, it will be as if you never existed. So how can you say that there is a meaning to life when you will take the perspective of nothing after death?
WhyLifeIsPointless 2 months ago
@WhyLifeIsPointless sorry, i don't care how you dress things up, if you believe life is pointless, everything you said is pointless and there is no sense in you leaving comments. you just don't understand, do you?
h8tingit 2 months ago
@h8tingit No, I do not contradict myself by leaving a comment. I am an organism, I do things based off the atoms in my brain. Dogs can't comprehend what a meaning to life is, yet they still do things and "care" about things. Life itself is a secondary quality, life does not exist. If I care for something or do something by leaving a comment, it is because of the arrangement of atoms in my brain which cause me to "care". You should see my video /watch?v=y4R3Bjq2qVo
WhyLifeIsPointless 2 months ago
@WhyLifeIsPointless animals can't form words and hold an intelligent conversation. animals can't explain the meaning of life, how to drive a car, how to cook, etc. who are you to speak for them? no, as i said before, if believe that life is pointless, everything you said is pointless and there is no reason for you to be leaving comments.
h8tingit 2 months ago
A dog barks without a point to life, so humans can do things without a meaning to life as well. Life is completely pointless and you'll die one day.
WhyLifeIsPointless 2 months ago
@WhyLifeIsPointless why do you wake up, go to work, go on the computer, leave comments, etc, etc? you contradict yourself by leaving a comment.
h8tingit 2 months ago
@boogiebuddy01 Real good come back, get back if you can counter state this man`s arguement. *Laughs*
ThirdStreetSaint777 2 months ago
Is the meaning of life to live and then die? I think, nope scratch that I know thay anyone who truely understands the complexity of life itself, and not social but body function would take into concideration that, Oh lets say 1 million eye nerves connect to the same number of nerves coming from the brain. Can some one show me where that just happens from chance? So your sight is something given to you from the creator. But satan want you to believe that it just happens. Praise God is meaning!!
youshouldread 3 months ago
equivocation fallacy
365to173repubsPWNED 3 months ago
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It doesn't matter on how positive you are, false hope and positive delusions won't prevent you from meeting your own demise. Life is pointless and it may sound negative, but it's the truth. In the end, it won't matter and no one will matter. Your born through a biological coincedence, you live for a cosmic blink, you become a goverment wage-slave to work for these corrupt corporations and big businesses, you retire, grow old, and then you die.
rtuu2 3 months ago
I accept that my life is meaningless and that this statement is meaningless as well.
TheLocalNut 3 months ago
@TheLocalNut Then why say it?
biscuitbuilder 3 months ago in playlist Awesome sermons
@TheLocalNut Nice arguement. *roles eyes*
ThirdStreetSaint777 2 months ago
I love the random non specific critical commentaries. Rather than just asserting your disagreement, give a reason. Otherwise you are combatting a reasoned, logical argument with 'meaningless' noise!
MrWildbill20056 3 months ago
@MrSmackdown100 I'm amazed that you pointed that out :))
klaudelus 4 months ago
If life is meaningless then everything is meaningless.
Your statement that life is meaningless is part of everything and it means that your
statement is meaningless.
viktermore 4 months ago
i said no. he said yes. i said no. he said yes. i said no. i said say it again. he said its meaningless. so i said i assume that you assume that what you just said was meainingful, but what you said was meaningful; on the other hand its meaning less, so sit down.
kenny8331 4 months ago
Awwww...the idiotic power of "reverse psychology". Tch. Pitiful humans...
SXL017 4 months ago
@SXL017
It's not reverse psychology--it's consistency in logic and argumentation. Unbelievers don't have it--every single time.
droptozro 3 months ago
pfft
TheNuncFluens 5 months ago
sigh
colsen109 5 months ago
I think what angers people and frustrates them is that they feel there really is some sort of meaning behind all, but we don't know it. Most people on the planet are motivated to tolerate existance by fear - fear of pain, physical or mental, and the only opposite motive is pleasure. So it's either the stick or the velvet glove. Seek pleasure actively or GTFO, is what basically life is. But pleasure is meaningles too.
MyloHase 5 months ago
This is embarrassingly fallacious poppycock. Of course, the unwashed masses eat up this sort of specious bullshit.
Hoopermazing 5 months ago
@Hoopermazing You got that right.
The life of single-cell amoeba is meaningless in the cosmic sense. Possibly one of them at some time or the other will have some effect on something that matters but any individual one will live and die without making a ripple much less a wave. That is not to say that amoeba won't attempt to survive meaningless as it is.
Is a human life more meaningful ? I'd say no not in a cosmic sense. When humanity ends neither Caesar nor I will have mattered.
dimbulb23 5 months ago
Go Ravi... You are the best.
TheSoloscriptura 6 months ago
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@TheSoloscriptura
"Go Ravi... You are the best."- at what? churning out the same dishonest yarns with the same words and the venues altered? lying about being a senior research fellow at Oxford- he's not and never has been. lying about darwin?
what? what exactly is this dishonest, ignorant buffoon "the best" at?
mcmanustony 5 months ago
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TheSoloscriptura 6 months ago
Well, He need to learn some mathematics and learn Godel's incomplete theorem.
Thesunilsunny 6 months ago
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Youtube commenter: Life is meaningless!
If this is indeed the only life we are going to have, and at death our "self" is nonexistant forever, then life has meaning the size of a grain of sand. Through sex, we are just...here...to do...well whatever we want, whether to do evil or good. ULTIMATELY, however, none of it all matters, you see? However, it is the only time we get to be "alive", thanks to our evolved brain. But in the end, it all doesn't matter. In conclusion life means very little.
finalfantasy8911 6 months ago
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finalfantasy8911 6 months ago
These are just silly word games. Life is not simply a language. It really has no 'meaning' and so what? This is not a bad thing!!! Life is a profound experience!! Those who are obsessed with somehow decoding life and finding its 'meaning' surely must either have a lack of the experience of life or have repressed it for some reason.
Hufflewaffle 6 months ago
Life IS meaningless.
FerrariSorry 6 months ago
Way to go Ravi! A man of wonderful wisdom!
viper2808 6 months ago
this guy is a fucking moron.
kissntellen 7 months ago
ravi= gifted speaker. not a a gifted logician
TheChesterJ 8 months ago
But life is meaningless. It fundamentally has no meaning. Life is a frustrating struggle for temporary fleeting happy moments.
jman945x 8 months ago
Life isn't meaningless when you're not a charlatan pandering to religious wing nuts for money.
stevenweir76 8 months ago
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youneekk 8 months ago
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ThomasWinkworth 9 months ago
@ThomasWinkworth Speaking of Vanity, and everything that we do that is seperate from God.
ItsNowWarfare 8 months ago
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peace
Rav814 9 months ago
life has meaning..to live!..if u are living your life, and enjoying it, then your life has meaning..no need for god.
itzahazylife 9 months ago
@itzahazylife yet if there is no afterlife you will never even know you ever lived or ever enjoyed yourself. Making life is a nutshell pointless. This is why there is a need for an afterlife, to make life have a point.
tomdenman 9 months ago
@tomdenman
"yet if there is no afterlife you will never even know you ever lived or ever enjoyed yourself. Making life is a nutshell pointless."
that's why life is life and death is death..while you're alive, u live. and when you're dead, u don't live..that's the whole point...u don't believe in an afterlife because u need a point to life, u believe in an afterlife because u fear death..but, there very well could be an afterlife, so, by all means, stick to your faith.
itzahazylife 9 months ago
@itzahazylife How are you so certain that "when you're dead, u don't live". The only way to know if there is an afterlife or not is if you have died yourself, which I am pretty sure you have not. All we know for certain is that we are living now, so why is it so hard to believe in a life after this one? It would make sense and mean life has a point.
ALSO, I believe in an afterlife because I believe life is not pointless, not because I "fear death" as you assume.
tomdenman 9 months ago
@tomdenman
i'm NOT certain..when did i say i was certain?..i don't know death is the end of consciousness. but, i do know that our known consciousness is generated by the brain..so, when my brain dies, i'm expecting all that makes me ryan, to die with it..that's what the word death means..no more life. so, that's what i'm expecting. maybe my energy is used somewhere else in the universe, but i don't expect my personality to live on..hence, i'll be dead.
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soda0788 9 months ago
Praise the Lord!!!!!
dline97 10 months ago
Me:Life is Meaningless
Ravi: Life is not Meaningless!
Obinn77 10 months ago
Meaning is simply an observation, a description if you like.
Life is nothing more than an observation, therefor to live is to apply meaning to the meaningless.
Amarkcalledme 10 months ago
@Amarkcalledme Omg, thanks! I was searching for words to describe the word meaning.
KainSlash 9 months ago
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Then after you finish experiencing.. you don't remember any, and all those experiences were for nothing.
nicf17 11 months ago
"So crucify the ego before it's far too late to leave behind this place, so negative and blind and cynical, and you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable." -Tool
Sychonaut13 11 months ago
This guy tries to complicate everything because he has no other way to answer... what a fucking idiot.
He talks about words meaning something and life meaning something being the same.. it's not .. words may mean something now.. but life will not mean anything after your dead, nor the words, therefore in the long run, life IS meaningless.. you just gotta have fun and not worry about it. cheers.
nicf17 11 months ago
@nicf17
why strive to have fun then, if it amounts to nothing in the end? Is there no value or meaning in fun? But obviously, you must belief there is some sort of value or meaning in fun, if you are to spend a meaningless life pursuing it...right?
Grambo4 11 months ago
@Grambo4
Just be quiet, you're just complicating words now.
Life IS meaningless in the end. There are meaningful things in life that have to be meaningful to us, but in the long run, after your dead, life IS meaningless. Play on words will not help life be meaningful after your dead.
nicf17 11 months ago
@nicf17
I'm not trying to affirm your attitudes, or make you depressed, but if there is no point or meaning to your life, because of death, then why spend another minute living at all...you know? What is that would make you want to live now, if death inevitably undid everything?
Grambo4 11 months ago
@Grambo4
You live just like all other animals and stuff, live enjoy life have fun, and when u die you wont know about it.. you live till you die and not worry bout death, i dont worry bout death cus i enjoy life. but in all seriousness if you want to get really technical life doesnt have a meaning.
nicf17 11 months ago
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@nicf17 Boy, did I make a typo, here is what i was trying to say: One quick question, Are you dead yet??? You argue against yourself,, becasue you say life is meaningless "when" you die. Ravi is talking about the PRESENT. Ahd NO one can EVER SAY their life is meaningless while they are alive! And you say "there are meaningful things in life: LISTEN to yourself! if there are meaningful things IN life, life is NOT meaningless!!!
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willph18 10 months ago
This is mixing apples and oranges. Life has a meaning it is called Karma or the Lila, but to each situation we assign the meaning based on our own interpretation.
HARI OM!
endimious 1 year ago
confusing semantics with meaning. stay classy, ravi
DukeMcManhands 1 year ago
who knows if life is meaningless. I just think life is a very sad story if you live it with sincerity. It is melancholic, mysterious, hectic, violent, surprising, but most of all very lonesome. Life; extremely too serious when we are decaying but yet meaningless when death has split us apart. Sometimes I say to myself, “So what if we are figures of dreams living the "wet dream" of a banker, stock broker, politician, preacher or in other words the psychotic ideas and morals of this civilization.
HardAsARock222 1 year ago
Love and be loved in return. The rest is babble.
freestuffffff 1 year ago
@freestuffffff what a simple way to put it, never thought of it that way :p pretty great point!
idreamtofflight 1 year ago
@srokkhmer562 To me, a human life might mean more, but do either really mean anything to the universe? No.
ClamCrunchy 1 year ago
@ Mr FF39 I can only agree in part. We were created by evolution for reproduction and survival, no more and no less.
ClamCrunchy 1 year ago
@ClamCrunchy Evolution can not create. It is a process. To create requires agency, thought and intent. Evolution has none of those things. It is simply a random process. If there is a God then evolution is no longer random. Rather it becomes the chosen process which God used to create diversity. What appears random to our finite brains, is actually all part of God's creative plan.
MrFF39 11 months ago
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@MrFF39 Creation does not require agency, thought or intent. Right now, countless stars and planets are being created throughout the universe by unthinking laws of physics. Eventually solar systems may form like our own, and life may evolve after billions of years. No thought was needed anywhere in such a process.
ClamCrunchy 11 months ago
@ClamCrunchy
I'm just bumbing your comment, it was marked as spam despite being one of the only rational comments on the page.
Amarkcalledme 10 months ago
@ClamCrunchy Creation does not require agency, thought or intent. Right now, countless stars and planets are being created throughout the universe by unthinking laws of physics. Eventually solar systems may form like our own, and life may evolve after billions of years. No thought was needed anywhere in such a process.
ClamCrunchy 11 months ago
Life is meaningless in the following sense: We are not here for any cosmic purpose, there is no God that cares about us, and the universe does not care about us. There is no more meaning to life for a human than a chimpanzee, rat, or any other animal.
ClamCrunchy 1 year ago
@ClamCrunchy Well said! A good honest assessment of a godless universe. However, thankfully since there is a God, we do have purpose and meaning exists! Every human life is precious because we were created for a purpose - to love God and to love one another for eternity.
MrFF39 1 year ago
@MrFF39
Prove god, ignorant spick.
nicf17 11 months ago
@nicf17 Prove to me that you exist. Prove to me that the sun will appear in the sky tomorrow morning. Prove to me that you're not just part of a bad dream I'm having! There is very little that can be proven. We can only use evidence to make conclusions. And if you are unaware of all the arguments and evidences for the existence of God which are out there - then it is you who are ignorant. All the best in your search.
MrFF39 11 months ago
@ClamCrunchy Let's put your statement about human life having no more meaning than a chimpanzee, rat, or any other animal. If you were to run over a rat in the road, would you feel the same as if you had run over a 3 year old human boy? I would venture to say that running over a boy would have a different affect on you emotionally. Why? Because you know that human life is more special than animal life.
srokkhmer562 1 year ago
It seems valid.But an obvious flaw is that it seems to equivocate on "meaning" as in "objective purpose" and "meaning" as in "semantic meaning." I don't think the atheist has be committed 2 believing Atheism entails the lost of semantic meaning; though it does entail the loss of objective purpose. Perhaps an argument could be offered that atheism does, in fact, entail the loss of semantic meaning since it is not clear how physical matter can have semantic meaning--an irreducible mental property
mypolicy9 1 year ago
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(1) Everything is meaningless.(Atheist premise)
(2) If everything is meaningless, then (1) is meaningless. (Instance of 1)
(3) If (1) is meaningless, then (1) says nothing.
(4) Hence, (1) says nothing. (1,2,3,4)
(5) But (1) is not meaningless.(premise)
(6) Therefore, it is not the case that everything is meaningless. (MT 2,4)
(7) If Atheism is true, then everything is meaningless. (Atheist premise)
(8) Therefore, Atheism is false. (MT 6,5)
So no one says anything, or atheism is false
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mypolicy9 1 year ago
The writer of Ecclesiastes does not intend to imply that there is no significance to life. Only a life that is separate from God. The concluding paragraph in Ecc says, "Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep His commandments for this is the whole duty of man.
kblackhawks 1 year ago
life, i guess, does have meaning, but the meaning is simple: live then die
blacksideknight3 1 year ago
@blacksideknight3 you pretty much describe the two basic things of life. You live then you die. Not really a meaning
Martyr022 1 year ago
@Martyr022 well thats what we do, is it not?
knowing humans, we try to extract some deeper meaning out of everything, but i do not believe that is necessary.
blacksideknight3 1 year ago
stupid
lahori76 1 year ago
stupid fuck
lahori76 1 year ago
@lahori76 Are you referring to YOURSELF? Have you LEARNED this language from your Mother? Why listen to the video if you are not in DOUBT about truth in your own life? Why dont you just create your own youtube video and 'people' like you can come and respond TO YOU the same way? Hope you FELT wonderful after posting your VERY INSIGHTFUL comment above - CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! And I know how you are GOING to react - just like your mother taught you at home!!!!
joshebizonline 1 year ago
That is answer is the very definition of a copout.
PlaymakerSeries 1 year ago
so his philosophy is that life is meaningful as long as people think it has meaning...just because i think what im saying has meaning doesnt mean it does in the big picture of things
mike93345 1 year ago
@mike93345 actually no its not you completely missed the point. He was just getting the person to think in a different way.
soccer21928 1 year ago
@mike93345: I didn't get that at all from him, but I am also familiar with the context. This video only gives a snippet from the entire concept, but life can only have a sense of meaning and purpose when it is lived in the context of the existence of God (bad structure, I know). The teacher written of in Ecclesiastes wrote it best when he wrote that all is meaningless, going further to say that everything under the sun is meaningless for their is no underlying purpose but the immediate.
PhillipNicewaner 1 year ago
I love the brain-dead old turd pretending to listen to this tired old sophistry.
freestuffffff 1 year ago
@freestuffffff: I will say to you what I said to the other: Refute the argument or silence your opposition to it.
PhillipNicewaner 1 year ago
The only thing meaningless here is this huckster's childish babble. It is flattering to the uneducated because it makes them feel superior to academics, and helps this Bible-thumper rake in millions tax-free every year. Pandering to the lowest common denominator is the quickest way to get rich in America and other third world countries where ignorance rules. Btw, how did this charlatan immigrate to the US with no useful skill? Can he be deported?
aaaavedon 1 year ago
@aaaavedon: "Huckster's childish babble." How preposterous! If you consider yourself apt enough to refute this, do so; otherwise, you must silence your opposition here.
PhillipNicewaner 1 year ago
saying life is not meaningless is saying there's no fixed meaning of life.. especially as what the religions claim...
that doesn't meaning we can't have meaning in life... we can give a meaning to it... in way that's better and more fulfiling than what the religions preach...
therockana 1 year ago
This is so natural and simple to understand what he just said that going against it authomatically reveals the mind of an idiot.
rocha333 1 year ago
LOL, you are not meaningless, you just create negative meaning of everything!!
ayyawark 1 year ago
Continuing to listen to this guy is meaningless. These are the same old lame arguments christians have always made.
CanadiaNecro1 1 year ago
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Douche response, really. If life is simply defined by what we give meaning in, then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Existentialism means well and makes a good point, but why even give meaning to the meaning you give? Ultimately it can't be answered.
boardfu 1 year ago
Douche response, really. If life is simply defined by what we give meaning in, then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Then what's the meaning of that? Existentialism means well and makes a good point, but why even give meaning to the meaning you give? Ultimately it can't be answered.
boardfu 1 year ago
Saying everything is meaningless does not mean there aren't truths...
AbsurdumAnteMortem 1 year ago
@AbsurdumAnteMortem Clearly, but I think what Ravi is actually getting at here is the idea that very few people actually ascribe to existential and moral nihilism; rather, by their actions, showing that they consider certain things to be existentially meaningful (e.g. truth), or morally correct/incorrect.
QuisSeperabit60 1 year ago
@AbsurdumAnteMortem However, if one ascribes to the concept of metaphysical naturalism (under which life is objectively meaningless) and the notion that, as Haldane put it, mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in our brains, we have no reason to suppose that those beliefs are true ... and hence we have no reason for supposing our brains to be composed of atoms (metaphysical naturalism), or for supposing the concomitant, existential nihilism.
QuisSeperabit60 1 year ago
Life is objectively meaningless, but it is subjectively meaningful to the living.
Musketman007 1 year ago
Everything as a whole is meaningless, but the specific situations we experience hold the meaning we as individuals assign it. SO, the only reason for existence is to explore the infinite possibilities that exist with in it.
Xazened 1 year ago
Meaning is subjective. It's pretty easy to understand if you live in reality.
HardforJesus 1 year ago
@Ravi
You said you really don't like to put people down - but actually you did. So why, don't you make your case with positive supportive arguments rather than fighting a straw man.
Furthermore, asking for an answer about the meaning of life (itself) presupposes the existence of a thinking entity that created life. So, back to the beginning - does this thinking creator exist?
Lirilu11 1 year ago
It is the core idea of Taoism and Buddhism. Meaningful meaningless and meaningless meaning. Natural unnaturalness and unnatural naturalness. Not one can exist without the other.
StL33T 1 year ago
lol
yes, the statement of life is meaningless pretty much contradicts itself
newtestube 1 year ago
People: I do not know who keeps tagging muley1 a's comments as spam, but please stop. He is not spam, he is an intelligent, thoughtful person who deserves the same respect we give everyone else on this message board.
justin10292000 1 year ago
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See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
muley1a 1 year ago
To all atheists: if you received a one page handwritten letter in the mail, you would assume that someone wrote it. Well, one human cell contains a *letter* of carefully ordered, systematically designed code for functioning which is 1000 encyclopedias long. So let me get this straight: the one page letter is designed, but the 1000 encyclopedias-long code is NOT? Absurd. Design, logical function and complexity do not arise out of explosions and chance, only a Mind: God.
justin10292000 1 year ago
Who 'designed' god then. Surely an entity so incredibly complex could not 'arise out of explosions and chance'
Sigh. It's futile us having a debate. I will remain a happy Atheist all my life and you will remain a happy Christain. I know I only have one life to live so i'm making the most of very second of it, and it's a beautiful life. I imagine you shouldn't worry to much about wasting this life. You've got heaven awaiting you.
muley1a 1 year ago
@muley1a God is the self-existent Fact. Noone designed God. God always existed. And this debate is not futile: if I am wrong, I lose nothing, but if you are wrong, you lose everything, eternally. Christians such as myself believe BOTH this life AND the next are infinitely precious. What you call *wasting this life* is actually love, joy, peace and hope on a level you can't even imagine. Everything we do in this life has eternal consequences.
justin10292000 1 year ago
@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
muley1a 1 year ago
@muley1a I never said everything requires causality. The premise is that everything that BEGINS requires causality. You, along with Daniel Dennett, make this fundamental mistake. Everything that BEGINS, which includes the Universe, requires causality. God never began: He has always existed, and thus is the self-existent Fact, the first Cause and thus the Uncaused Cause. There is nothing logically inconsistent if one states the premise correctly.
justin10292000 1 year ago
@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
muley1a 1 year ago
@muley1a "Who created God?" is a commonly asked question for many people - including Christians. But, it is not an essential part to believing in a God. You do not need to know "who" or "what" created something for that something to exist - that would cause an information overload.
But, the question is answered in a video I made, check it out.
watch?v=VSDvYRskgqg
donovanrules123123 1 year ago
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@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
muley1a 1 year ago
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@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
muley1a 1 year ago
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@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
muley1a 1 year ago
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@justin10292000 See that is the leap of faith I cannot rationally make. You first claim that everything requires causality - there can be no 'uncaused cause'. But you then claim that god is simply a self-existent fact. Do not make arguments from causality if you are going to make this kind of claim. It is logically inconsistent. If we can't explain something why should god simply win by default?
muley1a 1 year ago
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Who 'designed' god then. Surely an entity so incredibly complex could not 'arise out of explosions and chance'
Sigh. It's futile us having a debate. I will remain a happy Atheist all my life and you will remain a happy Christain. I know I only have one life to live so i'm making the most of very second of it, and it's a beautiful life. I imagine you shouldn't worry to much about wasting this life. You've got heaven awaiting you.
muley1a 1 year ago
To all atheists: if you received a one page handwritten letter in the mail, you would assume that someone wrote it. Well, one human cell contains a *letter* of carefully ordered, systematically designed code for functioning which is 1000 encyclopedias long. So let me get this straight: the one page letter is designed, but the 1000 encyclopedias-long code is NOT? Absurd. Design, logical function and complexity do not arise out of explosions and chance, only a Mind: God.
justin10292000 1 year ago
Life is Meaningless without God!
POC777 1 year ago
Saying that life is meaningless without god is not an argument for god's existence. I could say that my life is meaningless without my own personal unicorn who watches over me, but this would not lead you to believe that unicorns actually exist.
muley1a 1 year ago
@muley1a You comparing the self-existent Fact, the God who created and sustains you every single moment of your life, the God who created the Universe, to a *personal unicorn* is breathtakingly sad and ridiculous. Life is an existential nightmare without God, and only logically consistent atheists get that (examples: Nietzche, Satre, Camus, Woody Allen). Even those guys could not live lives with consistent non-meaning. Have you ever read about Voltaire's deathbed scene? Horror.
justin10292000 1 year ago
@justin10292000 I agree that life is an existential nightmare. But this does not prove that god exists. I would much rather endure such an existential nightmare than try and fool myself into believing that god exists. It's comforting to think that life has some kind of grand meaning. This is why a lot of people choose to believe in god. However, this merely points to the DESIRABILTY of belief in god. It is no proof of God's existence.
muley1a 1 year ago
@muley1a I am saddened by the fact that you believe that life is an existential nightmare. You are at least logically consistent within your atheistic framework, and I admire that, but at what a price! :(
justin10292000 1 year ago
@raoskaos: I got news for you. Evolutionists, atheists, etc. are just as if not more closeminded than Creationists. AND they have NO evidence backing up their philosophies, whereas my side has evidence in abundance. Your ad hominem attacks just spotlight your own closemindednesss, lack of objectivity and defensiveness. Macroevolution is a fairytale.
justin10292000 1 year ago
Errr where is this abundant evidence you speak of? I think it's ridiculous to say that atheists are more close-minded than creationists. We accept the fallibility of our own theories of the world. If new evidence surfaces we admit that we were previously wrong. This constitutes an impassioned search for the truth. Theists on the other hand simply cling to their ancient dogmas, rarely questioning their validity.
muley1a 1 year ago
@muley1a: Noone should simply *cling to ancient dogmas without questioning their validity*, and I most certainly do not. On my channel profile is a huge list of books which lay out the evidence for God, the soul, the afterlife, etc. Read *I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist* by Geisler and Turek for a thorough, logical, and systematic presentation of this evidence.
justin10292000 1 year ago
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justin10292000 1 year ago
@muley1a The evidence for God includes Cosmic Fine Tuning (Teleological Principle), Big Bang Cosmology, Human Rationality, the process of Thinking itself, the Higher Moral Law, The Kalaam Argument, Irreducible Complexity/Cell Complexity (which put the lie to the evolution philosophy), etc., etc., etc. The reason only a tiny minority embrace and have EVER embraced atheism is that it takes a huge leap of faith to ignore all of this and other evidence.
justin10292000 1 year ago
@raoskaos: Your ad hominem attacks are predictable and pathetic, and clearly demonstrate the total lack of evidence for your side of the argument. Yawn. Can't you even TRY to be intelligent and convincing?
justin10292000 1 year ago
Look, I don't debate creationists. Period.
They are too close-minded, there's no point.
raoskaos 1 year ago
justin, please do your best to treat people with respect in this forum. i will tell raoskaos to do the same thing. feel free to engage in debate, just put your best argument and best face forward without insulting others. thank you!
jhargreaves321 1 year ago
@jhargreaves321 good form
jonkirch 1 year ago
@jhargreaves321 Agreed.
Damonferal 1 year ago
@justin10292000 One single atheist using ad hominem attacks does not 'clearly demonstrate the total lack of evidence for [our] side of the argument.' What a ridiculous thing to say.
Look the simple fact is this: Most religious people base their beliefs upon FAITH. Most atheists base their beliefs upon EVIDENCE. And if new evidences surfaces which contradicts what we previously though we will happily change our beliefs.
muley1a 1 year ago
@muley1a : It is not just one atheist, it is a pattern that I have seen time and time again. EVERYONE has faith, including atheists, believing presuppositions that cannot be proven with 100% certainty. Atheists have faith in the beliefs that there are no God, afterlife, soul or day of judgment. Atheists cannot prove any of these do not exist, and the reason only a tiny minority embrace atheism is that the evidence shows otherwise.
justin10292000 1 year ago
@justin10292000 Look at the way you're talking to these people!! And you call yourself a Christian? SHAME! SHAME! Better to give up your child Jason now to a loving Christian family, than for him to grow up in a household with a toxic person like you!
CecilTheSeaMonster 1 year ago
@CecilTheSeaMonster That comment was made several months ago. God is still working on my attitudes. :)
justin10292000 1 year ago
@justin10292000 No kidding. You're a failure as a christian.
CecilTheSeaMonster 1 year ago
@CecilTheSeaMonster Yes, I am. Good thing I am reliant on the finished work of Jesus Christ, and not on anything I could ever attempt to do! If I did, I would be an even bigger failure than I already am.
justin10292000 1 year ago
@justin10292000 How is that unconvincing? A claim cannot contradict itself without rendering itself null and void. And furthermore, by saying to Ravi, "Yawn. Can't you even TRY to be intelligent and convincing?", makes an Ad Hominem attack. Furthermore, you seem to have a "total lack of evidence for your side of the argument". All you said is that he was unintelligent and unconvincing. I must respectfully ask you for evidence to support your claim.
KLswimmer27 11 months ago
@KLswimmer27 My comment was addressed to *raoskaos*, not Ravi. I am a Christian who agrees with Ravi in the points he is making.
justin10292000 11 months ago
this guy reminds me of the guy from Donny Darko, who believed he knew everythigna nd had all the solutions.
Juands10 1 year ago
@Juands10: He has the courage of his convictions, and he uses his God-given rationality and logical thinking to come to commonsense conclusions. Shrugs. Instead of ad hominem attacks, why don't you take on his position in a logical, intelligent manner?
justin10292000 1 year ago
This idiot wouldn't recognize logic even if it hit him in the head.
raoskaos 1 year ago
@raoskaos: Please explain exactly how what Ravi Zacharias says in this video is illogical. The man is a former atheist and no idiot. Your ad hominem attack does nothing to refute what he says, and says more about you, the namecaller, than it does about him or anyone else.
justin10292000 1 year ago
I wasn't making an argument, I was just plainly insulting him. He is a creationist and he doesn't deserve a proper response.
raoskaos 1 year ago
@raoskaos: Everyone deserves a proper response, even those who believe in the fairytale absurdity called evolution, which is anti-science and is merely a philosophy based on faulty presuppositions and wishful thinking. Variations within species, sure, we all agree that those occur. What there is NO evidence for is macroevolution: species do not and never have turned into other species. The philosophy of evolution violates basic scientific principles, such as the Law of Entropy.
justin10292000 1 year ago
@justin10292000
"...NO evidence for is macroevolution."
The irony really amuses me, I really pitty you.
Yes, you too don't deserve an answer.
raoskaos 1 year ago
@raoskaos: For someone who does not respond to or answer people with whom he does not agree, you sure are doing a lot of answering and responding! There is no evidence for the silly philosophical construct called evolution. Reserve your pity for yourself. End the Dawkins Delusion!
justin10292000 1 year ago