When devil came to Christ on the desert he also used quotes from the Bible: Mathew 3: 6-7 "And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone." And the same you, my friend, you are using quotes from the Bible and words that antichrist put into your head via thoughts to make those videos. I'll pray for you!
I remember reading some apoogetics which dealt with this argument. It said something along the lines of God has divine foresight but that this is not incompatible with human free will. As though God's foreknowledge is contingent on human choices and not inevitable, not set in stone. Seems like a bit of sophistry.
I actually personally prefer the Mob Boss analogy to god over this Prison Warden idea. Pay me or I'll break your legs. Worship me or I'll break your soul.
I did you a favor, I gave my son to forgive your debt to me. Now you owe me even more, and I plan to collect on you for eternity, so do as I say or cousin vinny will get the oven ready in hell.
well god was sort of a parrent for me, when i was youngh and naive, i belived i god, like most other people as kids, so i learned some morals from him, but then i let him go when i at the age of 13 or something, understood that good isent real
I think it's more like a slave/master relationship. Oh sure, the slave can choose not to work (free will for ya), but then he is going to be punished, brutally! Or, the slave can choose to work and worship his master (more free will) and not be beaten. Just like our relationship with god, the slave had no say in the matter as to whether or not he was born into this deal.
What in the world are you trying to say? "A man chooses a slave obeys"? I hop you are not saying that a slave is exercising his free will to obey his master. Coercion is not free will, and furthermore, nobody has exercised freewill to be born. God (if he existed) has no right to conjure people into existence knowing full well in advance (he's omniscient) that he will be torturing them forever. How can anyone think there is morality in religion?
First of all,thats not, It's saying that a slave has no choixe but to obey, a man has the choice. Second of all, It's a quote from a video game, THIRD OF ALL IT'S A JOKE. People like you need to calm down and stop jumping the gun , I don't believe in god as your comment led me to believe you where saying. So take a deep breath,go relax, I'm not trying to piss anyone off.
I like this. It sort of fits in with the idea of god I've had for a while now: that even if god exists, we have no moral obligation to worship such a being.
Nice points and I agree with some parts but according to Christian theology at some point of your life there comes a time when God lets you go and doesn't anymore call you.
If no other relationship satisfies you then... It really is depressing. An invisible Gardner doesn't make a very compelling relationship. Honestly if you can't find other human beings, go join a club or get a new job; but turning to an irrational concept that man created, in order to explain his surroundings and pacify his deepest fears, isn't healthy IMO. There is a good reason we have shed our belief in Santa Clause... Why is god any different?
i see pauls point in a way but im a christian. i follow Jesus because i know that i need Him. if i didnt follow Gods rules.. by my own choice id be in the living hell He keeps rescuing me from constantly. infact i often slip and feel myself sliding back there when my relationship with Him isnt sorted out. believe it or not there are fallen angels out there who want to wreck this planet. (ask me more) all i can say is that my life without Him would be so empty. no other relationship satisfies me.
im not depressed by that at all. who can you say singularly satisfies your EVERY need?? think on it. what i meant is that if i was left alone on a desert island with Jesus for eternity, it would be more than enough. (yeah!!) yet if i had every person in this world to mingle with into eternity, but Him, id rather not exist.
i dont worship the creation, but the Creator.. amen!
My girlfriend does and I'm not lying to you there, what do I get from God? nothing, cuz there isnt one and if there is it's not the one you worship because that religion is completely made up by people. Anything I have is due to what I've worked for or what my family has (the house I live in),the same for you as well. I never said you were depressed I said it's depressing that your relationship with God is the only one that ''satisfies'' you, no matter what way you say that, that is depressing.
those are some pretty big claims: no God, humanly made "religion" (is that the mosaic law ur on about? the exodus was proved + its my faith, not religion that gets me to heaven), everyting u have was gained thro self/family .. hmm well ste43 i suppose its up to the way people perceive my statement.. some might find it depressing, others not so. :) thankyou for replying to me, :)
yes, all those books have been written by people, not God, I'm sorry but that is fact.if I write a book tomorrow and I get a load of people to believe what I have written in it does that make all the words true? no it doesnt. I'm not talking about material things ok? but what I'm saying anything you value is through your own actions not gods do u see? thanks for your respectful reply :):) Stephen.
yeh thanks for ur respect to stephen! its pure hard when ppl slag me off just cos i believe something against the mainstream. i get pure fd and blinded at. well i would still argue that the bible has been historically, geographically, scientifically, morally, prophetically and even strangely.. mathematically (hebrew midrash and numerical value) proved. :S :) i loved Lee Strobels book - Case For A Creator. its ace for explaining what i mean. are you much of a reader?
No probs :) I used to be a big reader but I work on a computer reading all day etc so when I get home or if I'm travllening in and out of work my eyes just want to relax, I'l have a look at that book on wiki though. Honestly I'm all up for being concined there is a a God I just find it unbelievable and unconvincing ya know? do you think the world is only 5,000 yrs old? (or however long the bible says?) like all through the gaes Science has beaten religion time and again, religion keeps having
to adapt to be in any way accepted, It has beeen written by people and told to all others it is the word of God? is that true? I just think you should value your relationships where you have people you know & care about more than God.
No I'd never slag you or anything like that although we can disagree I have no problem with your opinion :)
well let me try to get this out right. for one i reckon that i am valuing and unconditionally loving each person in my circle when i accept that they cant single handedly make my world ie satisfy me. the prob starts when we make idols out of ppl which breaks the first 3!! commandments. and then WE break down cos they do. we should love (u knwo the active love) God first. cos that will overflow into our whole lives. but ur very right. "love your neighbour as urself" "love your enemies" talk ltr..
"its pure hard when ppl slag me off just cos i believe something against the mainstream."
Most of America believes in god... I would never "slag you off" for going off the beaten path, I would "slag you off" because you believe in something completely irrational
Lee Strobel's books (and I have read many of them) are very biased (for claiming to be a independent reporter's opinion), never show the other side of the argument, and Lee's guest speakers often blatantly lie... (Continued)
xXxroseXrapunzelxXx, the history in the bible has been proven only about its time period, and even that falls into question at many times. Scientificalyy it has nothing, it has magic and what not being used that goes against science. Morally? in one part it has god, the one that knows everything, take up a bet with the devil, to prove a point. Also, what about all the things about killing all non bleievers? Morals?...not in the bible.
xXxroseXrapunzelxXx, but yet your faith comes from religion, so without religion, you wont have that faith that will get you to your happy place. So, we can see you do not fight the fact that people made religion, so faith falls under that to.
xXxroseXrapunzelxXx, so what your saying is being with jesus is enough....so if you was in a desert, with jesus, how would that keep you alive?
Kind of a dumb thing to say. So what you are saying is, it is ok that god does not help you in everything, you also said what every believer says, got to protect yourself with your weak sheild...right, but it is rather funny to see you say what you did.
Christians often say that nothing you do in you're life is possible without god, even eating, breathing, loving and driving or working. Does that also mean that the aids hooker down the street wouldn't have her job without god? I think it does! That being said, is god a pimp? God knew she was going to end up doing D.V.D.A. beside a dumpster in a Jack in the box parking lot so that she could score some smack. Heheh, I am having waaaayyy to much fun with this.
clap clap clap brilliant! brilliant! whats the fucking point in punishing you when he created you to do what he already knew you were gonna do? Gods logic is FUCKED UP!!
LOL nice ending. I agree with the whole video, except "the born a sinner" part. I think the story goes something like, we are all born sinners as we've inherited Adam and Eve's sin. Its not because all our sins are already pre-determined.
I could be wrong, as I'm not very big on fictional reading, but I think thats how the story goes.
"God knows when he "makes" you whether you're going to hell or heaven."
Why would an all loving, all powerfull person like God allow humans to be created knowing full well they will go to hell, how sadistic and evil is that?
If he was nice enough to make sure everyone goes to heaven, id have a lot more respect for him
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Just because God knows what you are going to do doesnt mean he decides it for you. If i knew what you will do would that make free will impossible? He does interact with humanity but that doesnt mean all of humanity doesnt have free will.
If god knows every action you're going to take, the second you're conceived, that means that NO you don't have freewill since your future is already COMPLETELY predetermined. Yes, he did already decide for you, or else the idea of "god's plan" is bunk. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
well you can know what someone is going to do but not have any control of it. i i hold up four cards and ask you to pick one, i know that your going to pick an ace, because thats all i have in my hand. you still have the ability to choose. giving you the ABILITY to choose and outcome is freewill, even if i set up everything that goes with it. i can know my girlfriend is going to work, does that mean she isnt free to go to work?
But you only gave me one option....tell me, where's the choice? and as for your girlfriend, she has the choice to not go, to quit, to go in early or late, etc.
You assume she is going to work. She may be fucking somebody else behind your back that day..... But I guess you just have faith that she isn't. Poor comparison man. I could also choose not to pick a card out of your hand, I could punch u in the head, take all the cards are realise you were trying to trick me, u wouldn't see that comming. If I don't have the ability to do any different that I was going to do, I don't have free will, it's not rocket science.
well actually as we humans learn more about our selves, i think we will be able to predict what we do very well. and if you look at it psychologically, many psychologists believe all humans are just reactional.
and on the subject of god, if god is all knowing and created the universe then it would be logical that god would be so intelligent it would know everything we do just out of sheer intelligence.
I don't understand your point. Of course humans are reactional, but we don't all react in the same manor, how does that have anything to do with free will? Predicting what will occur with a high sucess rate, and actually knowing with 100% certainty are very different things. If u believe in an all knowing god, then u must conclude that 'free will' is just a trick played by god on you to make you believe you have options, but you don't. life will play out according to gods plan, thats it.
my point is that with a higher intelligence you can more accuratly conclude what one will do, of course i dont think humans would ever be able to do so completely, but IF god was omnipotent then he would be able to know just by knowledge what we would do, and it wouldnt infringe on our free will.
and in my opinion the "trick" wouldnt be free will, it would be time. but that is something completely different.
In "invisible Monsters" Chuck Palahnuik compares our parents to god, but rather than bringing him to a human level, he elevates them to the level of deities.
We only call on them to help when we're really in a bind, and if things are going well we try to forget about them all together. However, even though their physical presence might end, they always seem to be looking over our shoulder. I'm paraphrasing, obviously.
"So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen." - Romans 9:18
"For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness." - 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
OBEYING IS NOT FREE WILL. It is relinquishing ALL your freedom, choicemaking, and thoughts toward 1 being. Kind of like....If I were a kid and I wanted a cookie, and my parent said no. I could just take the cookie anyway in favor of my will, or I could listen to them and not get a cookie, even though I still want it...And NO, THAT IS NOT FUCKING SATAN TELLING YOU THAT YOU WANT THE COOKIE. Don't even get me started on that shit.
Hey, God just called me and said he'd watched your video. He said we shouldn't see eachother anymore. I was sad until I watched the video myself. Now I understand.
A interesting point of view on the free will, but the question that begs me to think about is 'if someone knows what I'm gonna do and I 'choose' to do it, is my act still a free choice?' Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed watching your videos and would love to get into deeper discussion on the matter.
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The difference is that God became a man, Jesus. That's what allows relationship.
Atheism is deluded. You don't know a fraction of what is, enough to make such a conclusion. Agnosticism is more sensible. Atheists are always angry at a god they claim not to believe in. Like children.
PaulsEgo, Comparing God to a warden? Come on, you have a choice, to obey or to not! You heard the gospel, and now your accountable. You blame God for your free will? Are you going to be like a little kid and say IVE NEVER KNOWN?
With people such as yourelf representing this "Gospel" you mean to tell me that people will not be confused?! And no, its not demons covering their ears and eyes. "Well, Im only human.". No excuse. I suppose clinically deaf people have an excuse since they cannot "hear" your gospel. Please find a way to make some sense.
God did not make us stupid! If you were in a new city, how would you find your way? A map! Thats what the bible is, Gods revelation to us of him and how to find salvation, also people like me witnessing to people like you!
without using the bible, tell me, how do you know YOUR god is the only god? How do you know he is the RIGHT god? How do you know god is even a HE? How do you know god even exists? Without looking in your bible, without quoting scripture of any kind, can you give a reason WHY you have a right to stuff your god in others faces? Can you even rationalize it without scripture?
Well the bible is not one book it is many, a collection of books that span forth thousands of years.... Written by different men,times, places and cultures. They are independent sources.. With out looking at the bible, I would have to say creation its self proves that God does exist. Also absolute truth going with right and wrong, God has written his laws upon our heart!
When people make stupid comments like that, you seem to believe that Christians have no evidences for there faith! Our faith is not in vain, Christianity is an intelligent faith which welcomes intelligent questions!
you'll be the first to prove it. You'll be the first to offer actual evidence. You'll be the first to define faith with intelligence, for that matter.
gqathlete, no, that's not what I would call a "Choice".
"Do exactly what I said in the book or burn in hell for eternity" isn't exactly what I would call a "Choice". That's more like a threat or an ultimatum. "Do what I want and I'll give you 72 virgins and a farari" is closer to a choice.
"Hey, I've got this idea for a fun thing to do. You wanna do it too?" IS definitely a choice?
Like a slave or a prisoner: You can either keep your mouth shut and get back in line with the rest, never questioning anything, or you can suffer for all eternity.
How would I want my god to be? A better question would be...WHY DOESN'T GOD REVEAL HIMSELF...JUST ONCE...TO ALL MAN AT ALL PLACES AT ALL TIMES AND STOP THIS STRIFE?
That's all. Just that simple. Just once, just like he used to do in the bible, just ONE miracle that would settle the question once and for all.
Everyone, everywhere gets the message in some form that is the same for everyone, everywhere and NO ONE can question it was of supernatural origin. A tatoo on EVERYONES face for a month, maybe? But no...can't do that stuff anymore. Not allowed. Nope, gotta have faith. Well, like Paul says in his other video, what if I have faith in a leprachaun living in your ass? You can't disprove it...you can't disprove a leprachaun DOESN'T live in your ass. Should I worship that?
"Don't be ridiculous Wonko...there is a book on god!". There are stories about Leprachauns...google it, you'll see. They have magical powers so they can make themselves unsees whenever they want, shrink when they want to fit in your butt and so on. So...I have to have faith? Well, I think I'll worship Shifty McLeprachaun (peanut butter upon him) who lives in your ass.
Or maybe it's just a made up place to scare people. Or maybe it's funland with candy and puppy dogs. Or maybe it IS a lake of fire. Who the fuck can know? Not me, and not you, brother.
Hey Helical. On the free will part. You choose NOT to be a christian. That ALSO is free will. Yet, for that choice, you will burn forever. Hmmm...is that REALLY free will, then? Choose this, reward. Choose that, ETERNAL punishment. Not much FREE WILL choice.
Ah shut up you idiot...why not spend more time running in the gym and less time sitting your FAT butt in front of the webcam RUNNING your mouth! You're very stupid and so are your subscribers. :-)
Haha frig....it cracks me up to see all these people saying what their god says. Hahahaha! Okay there people. In a book! How in the world can people worship a book I have no idea. Face it. It's a book. Unbelievable. Different books for different parts of the world, too. Keep giving your money to the book gods. Your local church loves that. More money.
The simpler answer to any of this is that either god ISN'T there at ALL or that he doesn't care. Using Occams razor, the simplest explanation of all is that GOD ISN'T THERE! THAT is why god didn't reach down with his mighty morphing magic hand and save the jews in WW2 with a miracle EVEN THOUGH he did this OVER AND OVER in the bible!
ALL of these EXACT SAME CHARGES were made BY HITLER AGAINST THE JEWS! YET, when the Israelites do this EXACT SAME THING out come the apologies for them! Have you guys EVER noticed this? Have you EVER considered how you have to, over and over and over, rationalize why god does this, orders that and so on? How it is GODS' PLAN, or THEY WEREN'T the right line of GODS' COVENANT and so on?
Again, he had a plan and ALL the suffering of the jews and their prayers to alleviate that suffering weren't going to change that plan. Further, gods' plans include actions that are the exact same as that of Hitler. The people of Midian (numbers) were living in the HOLY land. They weren't of the right RACE, they were the children of Ishmael not Isaac. They were perverting the children of Isaac with their religion and their perversions.
Every time I have argued with believers about why bad things happen to good people I get that it is "gods plan". Fair enough. If it's gods' plan, then what good are your prayers? He has a PLAN for all creation, including having bad things happen, such as what happened to the jews. I have been told by believers that what happened to the jews was part of gods' plan so that the jews would create Israel after WW2.
excellent analogy with the warden relationship...the free will vs God's plan issue was the biggest question that I ran into as a Christian which led me to start looking deeper.
Fuck yeah, nigga, it's nice to see you back in the game.
As a side, God also practices zero tolerance (zero thinking) whereas a warden can't arbitrarily torture an inmate (legally, anyways) for as long as he likes. Like forever.
Cleanliness is next to Godliness, right? Well, if you want to be truly Godly, for every crime that's committed henceforth, apply the death penalty, whether it be shoplifting or mass murder. See how popular that idea becomes.
5/5 and playlisted. And I'll tell you why you rocked the mike on this one: I was a Xian for five years, so, in the second half, where you talked about the prison warden idea and even used the bible to illustrate some points--I felt like you really touched on some of the ideas and feelings I had that led me to leave the church--were you ever a Xian yourself?
Even if christianity, as you claim, implies eternal dominion, that proves nothing against its truth. god could, indeed be a bully and dictator. as a reasonnalble person, I'd do what one want when they point a gun on me, even more if they pointed hell...
There's a story in the bible about a man that wrestled God. And it got back respect. It's a myth but is shows that being true to yourself and having courage is the way to do it. Even if hell is so bad, I have no desire for heaven since will be filled with pussies, self-righteous people like you.
I think you did not understand me: 1.if you mean "self-righteous" in the sense that the wiktionnary gives (piously self-assured and smugly moralistic), that means that you assume me pious, assured, smugy, and moralistic which are all not the case (particularily not the last).
2. I do not believe in courage, I believe that this characteristic is a social construct intiated by leaders who thought it would be very useful to convince their people to fight for them.
3. If hell exists and is as worse as described by christianity, i would not like to spend my eternity there..
4. I am not a theist. I responded to this video only to say that he used a fallacy as an argument. If he had added that any specialist in terrorism will tell that terrorists are never to be dealt with (his comparison with dictatorship being also applyable with terrorism), it could have been more valid.
Just because God knows what you did with your time on Earth before you were born does not mean you do not have free will. However, why God doesn't just skip to the roasting I don't know, maybe just pre-roasting one soul would change the destiny of many others, if this was the case though it would mean your fate was dependant on the actions of others and your free will is not as free as you might think.
"Just because God knows what you did with your time on Earth before you were born does not mean you do not have free will."
Well yes Megiddon, it indeed means that one doesn't have free will. Since his life is already determined by "God's" foreseen knowledge. And the "pre-roasting" aspect doesn't change the fact that everything else is determined as well, the actions one takes and the influences it has on others.
"....life is already determined by "God's" foreseen knowledge." How so? consider you are god and someones life is on DVD, you can watch the whole DVD and then see that life and the choices made, every time you play the video it is always the same, before you put that disc in the player you know the ending, the plot and the continuity errors. How is knowing what happened, determining what happened?
Furthermore, since "God" is all-knowing and therefore knows every single outcome, then why interfere? Why create life on earth knowing that individual will end in hell for eternity.
In that case "God" wouldn't be all-good... or "God" is simply a mere observer. Nothing more.
If God's universe was just a theoretical exercise, and knowing the outcome of everything made her choose not to create it in the first place, then there would be no sinners to burn and where's the fun in that?
This perspective contradicts with the nature of the biblical God. In this case God is then not all-good and the actions God takes, as "punishments", are in the first place useless, since God knows the outcome of everything...
When devil came to Christ on the desert he also used quotes from the Bible: Mathew 3: 6-7 "And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone." And the same you, my friend, you are using quotes from the Bible and words that antichrist put into your head via thoughts to make those videos. I'll pray for you!
CountNocturnal 3 weeks ago
@CountNocturnal you're so retarded.
DerrenBrown100 2 weeks ago
You're awesome Paul! Keep up the good work mate!!
Rrymcmaster 3 months ago
Everybody has a sexual relationship with God because he FUCKS US ALL!
brandonlamchops 3 months ago 2
acually satan gave humans free will
bohrokking 5 months ago
When I was a child, I had "relationships" with imaginary friends. But at least I grew up, LOL!
TheNewRenaissance 5 months ago
just saying satan gave humans free will
bohrokking 6 months ago
christians have a gay relationship with their god, or maybe it's with each other??? hmmm confusing....
headbanger2510 6 months ago in playlist LOLgic
@headbanger2510 All they do is bend down in the shower more, personal relationship.
TehFunnehMann 6 months ago
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On relationships with God
A person talking to God is religious
God talking back... is psychopathy Go see a Doctor.
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tilemacro 7 months ago
I remember reading some apoogetics which dealt with this argument. It said something along the lines of God has divine foresight but that this is not incompatible with human free will. As though God's foreknowledge is contingent on human choices and not inevitable, not set in stone. Seems like a bit of sophistry.
blackmichael75 8 months ago
This, right here, is absolute, unparalleled genius. I swear to the warden.
PiGirl13 8 months ago
This video is too epic for youtube.
weslanator45 8 months ago
If you want to get in good with the warden do what Mary did, give him some pussy, oh wait you're a dude, that's not gonna work.
LegionIscariot 9 months ago
Omg a "lolgic" pun! I've never seen that before!
ShowOfPuppet 9 months ago
is anyone else looking at this video watching thinking about how much pauls voice has gotten more badass with his newer videos?
MahoganyTicon 9 months ago
Another great vid..... this dude articulates like nobody's fckin' business....
Christians--get real!!
elegantgypsy22 11 months ago 2
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Your Wasting Your Time theres over a billion christians and Muslims in this world You and your atheist friends will never change that
recount09 11 months ago
13 deluded smiley Christians
codern 1 year ago 6
yeah! represent, dawg! ... or something like that ^^
stoikr 1 year ago
I actually personally prefer the Mob Boss analogy to god over this Prison Warden idea. Pay me or I'll break your legs. Worship me or I'll break your soul.
I did you a favor, I gave my son to forgive your debt to me. Now you owe me even more, and I plan to collect on you for eternity, so do as I say or cousin vinny will get the oven ready in hell.
Etimos 1 year ago 3
well god was sort of a parrent for me, when i was youngh and naive, i belived i god, like most other people as kids, so i learned some morals from him, but then i let him go when i at the age of 13 or something, understood that good isent real
sylta09 1 year ago
God you are handsome!
WinterHaven 1 year ago
Hey! I am in a VERY serious long distance telepathic relationship with Megan Fox. She just doesn't know it.
*facepalm*
fmalch1209 1 year ago 2
I think it's more like a slave/master relationship. Oh sure, the slave can choose not to work (free will for ya), but then he is going to be punished, brutally! Or, the slave can choose to work and worship his master (more free will) and not be beaten. Just like our relationship with god, the slave had no say in the matter as to whether or not he was born into this deal.
christo930 2 years ago 2
A man chooses a slave obeys.
lawbn 2 years ago 4
What in the world are you trying to say? "A man chooses a slave obeys"? I hop you are not saying that a slave is exercising his free will to obey his master. Coercion is not free will, and furthermore, nobody has exercised freewill to be born. God (if he existed) has no right to conjure people into existence knowing full well in advance (he's omniscient) that he will be torturing them forever. How can anyone think there is morality in religion?
christo930 2 years ago
First of all,thats not, It's saying that a slave has no choixe but to obey, a man has the choice. Second of all, It's a quote from a video game, THIRD OF ALL IT'S A JOKE. People like you need to calm down and stop jumping the gun , I don't believe in god as your comment led me to believe you where saying. So take a deep breath,go relax, I'm not trying to piss anyone off.
lawbn 2 years ago
When I replied I couldn't understand what you were trying to say. After I posted it, I went back to my inbox and realized that you meant to say
A man chooses, a slave obeys.
That comma makes a big difference.
Sorry.
christo930 2 years ago
It's fine, I'm not angry or anything :D I do understand it's partly my fault now.
lawbn 2 years ago
LOL LOL LOL!!! Well played my friend!
veal225 2 years ago
I like this. It sort of fits in with the idea of god I've had for a while now: that even if god exists, we have no moral obligation to worship such a being.
Most of it comes down to fear propaganda anyways.
WiwuX 2 years ago
Nice points and I agree with some parts but according to Christian theology at some point of your life there comes a time when God lets you go and doesn't anymore call you.
Of course this is Christian theology.. :)
metalthunder777 2 years ago
Great analogy. I am curious how this type of argument would play out with believers.
memoryhero 2 years ago
Ah but Paul you're forgetting...
... He luuurves you! <3
NoeLPZC 2 years ago
Standing fucking ovation!!
harpo10 3 years ago 10
If no other relationship satisfies you then... It really is depressing. An invisible Gardner doesn't make a very compelling relationship. Honestly if you can't find other human beings, go join a club or get a new job; but turning to an irrational concept that man created, in order to explain his surroundings and pacify his deepest fears, isn't healthy IMO. There is a good reason we have shed our belief in Santa Clause... Why is god any different?
U4godlike 3 years ago
i see pauls point in a way but im a christian. i follow Jesus because i know that i need Him. if i didnt follow Gods rules.. by my own choice id be in the living hell He keeps rescuing me from constantly. infact i often slip and feel myself sliding back there when my relationship with Him isnt sorted out. believe it or not there are fallen angels out there who want to wreck this planet. (ask me more) all i can say is that my life without Him would be so empty. no other relationship satisfies me.
xXxroseXrapunzelxXx 3 years ago
if that's the only relationship you feel satisfied by that's really depressing
ste43 3 years ago 3
im not depressed by that at all. who can you say singularly satisfies your EVERY need?? think on it. what i meant is that if i was left alone on a desert island with Jesus for eternity, it would be more than enough. (yeah!!) yet if i had every person in this world to mingle with into eternity, but Him, id rather not exist.
i dont worship the creation, but the Creator.. amen!
xXxroseXrapunzelxXx 3 years ago
My girlfriend does and I'm not lying to you there, what do I get from God? nothing, cuz there isnt one and if there is it's not the one you worship because that religion is completely made up by people. Anything I have is due to what I've worked for or what my family has (the house I live in),the same for you as well. I never said you were depressed I said it's depressing that your relationship with God is the only one that ''satisfies'' you, no matter what way you say that, that is depressing.
ste43 3 years ago
those are some pretty big claims: no God, humanly made "religion" (is that the mosaic law ur on about? the exodus was proved + its my faith, not religion that gets me to heaven), everyting u have was gained thro self/family .. hmm well ste43 i suppose its up to the way people perceive my statement.. some might find it depressing, others not so. :) thankyou for replying to me, :)
xXxroseXrapunzelxXx 3 years ago
yes, all those books have been written by people, not God, I'm sorry but that is fact.if I write a book tomorrow and I get a load of people to believe what I have written in it does that make all the words true? no it doesnt. I'm not talking about material things ok? but what I'm saying anything you value is through your own actions not gods do u see? thanks for your respectful reply :):) Stephen.
ste43 3 years ago
yeh thanks for ur respect to stephen! its pure hard when ppl slag me off just cos i believe something against the mainstream. i get pure fd and blinded at. well i would still argue that the bible has been historically, geographically, scientifically, morally, prophetically and even strangely.. mathematically (hebrew midrash and numerical value) proved. :S :) i loved Lee Strobels book - Case For A Creator. its ace for explaining what i mean. are you much of a reader?
xXxroseXrapunzelxXx 3 years ago
No probs :) I used to be a big reader but I work on a computer reading all day etc so when I get home or if I'm travllening in and out of work my eyes just want to relax, I'l have a look at that book on wiki though. Honestly I'm all up for being concined there is a a God I just find it unbelievable and unconvincing ya know? do you think the world is only 5,000 yrs old? (or however long the bible says?) like all through the gaes Science has beaten religion time and again, religion keeps having
ste43 3 years ago
to adapt to be in any way accepted, It has beeen written by people and told to all others it is the word of God? is that true? I just think you should value your relationships where you have people you know & care about more than God.
No I'd never slag you or anything like that although we can disagree I have no problem with your opinion :)
ste43 3 years ago
well let me try to get this out right. for one i reckon that i am valuing and unconditionally loving each person in my circle when i accept that they cant single handedly make my world ie satisfy me. the prob starts when we make idols out of ppl which breaks the first 3!! commandments. and then WE break down cos they do. we should love (u knwo the active love) God first. cos that will overflow into our whole lives. but ur very right. "love your neighbour as urself" "love your enemies" talk ltr..
xXxroseXrapunzelxXx 3 years ago
"its pure hard when ppl slag me off just cos i believe something against the mainstream."
Most of America believes in god... I would never "slag you off" for going off the beaten path, I would "slag you off" because you believe in something completely irrational
Lee Strobel's books (and I have read many of them) are very biased (for claiming to be a independent reporter's opinion), never show the other side of the argument, and Lee's guest speakers often blatantly lie... (Continued)
U4godlike 3 years ago
xXxroseXrapunzelxXx, the history in the bible has been proven only about its time period, and even that falls into question at many times. Scientificalyy it has nothing, it has magic and what not being used that goes against science. Morally? in one part it has god, the one that knows everything, take up a bet with the devil, to prove a point. Also, what about all the things about killing all non bleievers? Morals?...not in the bible.
Krensharpaw 3 years ago 2
xXxroseXrapunzelxXx, but yet your faith comes from religion, so without religion, you wont have that faith that will get you to your happy place. So, we can see you do not fight the fact that people made religion, so faith falls under that to.
Krensharpaw 3 years ago
xXxroseXrapunzelxXx, so what your saying is being with jesus is enough....so if you was in a desert, with jesus, how would that keep you alive?
Kind of a dumb thing to say. So what you are saying is, it is ok that god does not help you in everything, you also said what every believer says, got to protect yourself with your weak sheild...right, but it is rather funny to see you say what you did.
Krensharpaw 3 years ago
Spread this video around. More must watch this.
IcyNami 3 years ago
Im happy for Paul, cuz of finding someone in this lonely, ugly and sinister rock that we call our home planet.
MistaJussu 3 years ago
Christians often say that nothing you do in you're life is possible without god, even eating, breathing, loving and driving or working. Does that also mean that the aids hooker down the street wouldn't have her job without god? I think it does! That being said, is god a pimp? God knew she was going to end up doing D.V.D.A. beside a dumpster in a Jack in the box parking lot so that she could score some smack. Heheh, I am having waaaayyy to much fun with this.
UcanbeGOD 3 years ago 5
keep it gangster
scott01019 3 years ago
So tru so tru
LostPlayer 3 years ago
*and super hover-y helicopter parent. :3
curiouslittleboy 3 years ago 3
An insane abusive scary parent, maybe. ;)
curiouslittleboy 3 years ago 4
That so-called "relationship" is all in your own head anyway!
AdrianAven 3 years ago 4
I prefer Christopher Hitchens comparison with North Korea...:-)
timoconnor3082 3 years ago
ur so awesome man
JBandKG 3 years ago 4
my parents pull that relationship bullshit on me all the time
frasieralex 3 years ago 2
And what a relationship it is! You give god what he wants and in return he won´t torch your ass. God, the heavenly father, is a godfather.
Itslvle 3 years ago 5
clap clap clap brilliant! brilliant! whats the fucking point in punishing you when he created you to do what he already knew you were gonna do? Gods logic is FUCKED UP!!
bdcarlitosway 3 years ago 28
That was great and also I see that you have an xbox 360 in the back we should play sometime! :P
joerules22 3 years ago
i canpick up my big ass tv and my little ass dog and go....lol
hanban12 3 years ago
LOL nice ending. I agree with the whole video, except "the born a sinner" part. I think the story goes something like, we are all born sinners as we've inherited Adam and Eve's sin. Its not because all our sins are already pre-determined.
I could be wrong, as I'm not very big on fictional reading, but I think thats how the story goes.
krebul 3 years ago
And you forgot the fact that you can't see god, can't hear god, can't touch god, and his followers do most of the communicating for him.
jackbauer6543 3 years ago
"I'd hate to take a diarrhoea dump in your cheerio's but"
ROFL! Go Paul!
AddANumberToThis 3 years ago 3
I felt very closed in watching this...
I could never escape him...
Makes em glad I'm an atheist.
DrQuillo 4 years ago 2
Agreed :D
orclv 4 years ago
and above all...keep it gangster =p
MstrMatt 4 years ago
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What a fat ass-hole lmao...dude u do u, dont judge all beleivers in the most high by your perception of those fakers...
unkleluc 4 years ago
Maybe if you made any sense, some people might actually consider your comment an intellectual one, MAYBE worth of a petty dispute.
FaTaL305 4 years ago 10
"God knows when he "makes" you whether you're going to hell or heaven."
Why would an all loving, all powerfull person like God allow humans to be created knowing full well they will go to hell, how sadistic and evil is that?
If he was nice enough to make sure everyone goes to heaven, id have a lot more respect for him
501commander 4 years ago
I would have suggested 'imaginary friend', but that may have its problems too; the 'prison warden relationship' is good.
ctressle 4 years ago
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Just because God knows what you are going to do doesnt mean he decides it for you. If i knew what you will do would that make free will impossible? He does interact with humanity but that doesnt mean all of humanity doesnt have free will.
mambi 4 years ago
That would mandate predestination, thus no free will.
JehovahsBastardChild 4 years ago 19
If god knows every action you're going to take, the second you're conceived, that means that NO you don't have freewill since your future is already COMPLETELY predetermined. Yes, he did already decide for you, or else the idea of "god's plan" is bunk. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Bluedragon094 4 years ago 8
well you can know what someone is going to do but not have any control of it. i i hold up four cards and ask you to pick one, i know that your going to pick an ace, because thats all i have in my hand. you still have the ability to choose. giving you the ABILITY to choose and outcome is freewill, even if i set up everything that goes with it. i can know my girlfriend is going to work, does that mean she isnt free to go to work?
flimflam0069 4 years ago
But you only gave me one option....tell me, where's the choice? and as for your girlfriend, she has the choice to not go, to quit, to go in early or late, etc.
SCVBariSL 4 years ago
i think you just proved my point.
flimflam0069 4 years ago
You assume she is going to work. She may be fucking somebody else behind your back that day..... But I guess you just have faith that she isn't. Poor comparison man. I could also choose not to pick a card out of your hand, I could punch u in the head, take all the cards are realise you were trying to trick me, u wouldn't see that comming. If I don't have the ability to do any different that I was going to do, I don't have free will, it's not rocket science.
Slipperyrod1984 4 years ago
well actually as we humans learn more about our selves, i think we will be able to predict what we do very well. and if you look at it psychologically, many psychologists believe all humans are just reactional.
and on the subject of god, if god is all knowing and created the universe then it would be logical that god would be so intelligent it would know everything we do just out of sheer intelligence.
flimflam0069 4 years ago
I don't understand your point. Of course humans are reactional, but we don't all react in the same manor, how does that have anything to do with free will? Predicting what will occur with a high sucess rate, and actually knowing with 100% certainty are very different things. If u believe in an all knowing god, then u must conclude that 'free will' is just a trick played by god on you to make you believe you have options, but you don't. life will play out according to gods plan, thats it.
Slipperyrod1984 4 years ago
my point is that with a higher intelligence you can more accuratly conclude what one will do, of course i dont think humans would ever be able to do so completely, but IF god was omnipotent then he would be able to know just by knowledge what we would do, and it wouldnt infringe on our free will.
and in my opinion the "trick" wouldnt be free will, it would be time. but that is something completely different.
flimflam0069 4 years ago
God knows when he "makes" you whether you're going to hell or heaven.
SadisticMonkey336 4 years ago
In "invisible Monsters" Chuck Palahnuik compares our parents to god, but rather than bringing him to a human level, he elevates them to the level of deities.
We only call on them to help when we're really in a bind, and if things are going well we try to forget about them all together. However, even though their physical presence might end, they always seem to be looking over our shoulder. I'm paraphrasing, obviously.
iamjackscolin 4 years ago
"So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen." - Romans 9:18
"For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness." - 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
FREE-WILL MY ASS!!
Antichrist4Life 4 years ago
so true man....
TheBoyBlue91982 4 years ago
To gqathlete and all who are confused on freedom:
OBEYING IS NOT FREE WILL. It is relinquishing ALL your freedom, choicemaking, and thoughts toward 1 being. Kind of like....If I were a kid and I wanted a cookie, and my parent said no. I could just take the cookie anyway in favor of my will, or I could listen to them and not get a cookie, even though I still want it...And NO, THAT IS NOT FUCKING SATAN TELLING YOU THAT YOU WANT THE COOKIE. Don't even get me started on that shit.
BlackMetalMusician 4 years ago
Hey, God just called me and said he'd watched your video. He said we shouldn't see eachother anymore. I was sad until I watched the video myself. Now I understand.
LowSociety 4 years ago
A interesting point of view on the free will, but the question that begs me to think about is 'if someone knows what I'm gonna do and I 'choose' to do it, is my act still a free choice?' Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed watching your videos and would love to get into deeper discussion on the matter.
tk421g 4 years ago
you ruined my relationship with god
madpig22000 4 years ago 4
haha:P good one:P
RednaxNL 4 years ago
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The difference is that God became a man, Jesus. That's what allows relationship.
Atheism is deluded. You don't know a fraction of what is, enough to make such a conclusion. Agnosticism is more sensible. Atheists are always angry at a god they claim not to believe in. Like children.
OzzybinOswald2 4 years ago
Lol dont cack me up why would we be mad at something that aint there??
WhatsAfterThisPlace 4 years ago 5
I am not angry at god that isn't there.
& I think it's safe to say that the majority of atheists aren't mad at "god" either.
They're mad at the notion of one.
The christian one in particular.
Why? Well...If you watched this video, you'll know why.
Hint Words: Hell + Love + Bondage + Slavery.
PennyRoyaleTea 4 years ago
You "know" Christianity to be any more true?
And you can't be angry at something you don't believe exsists.
pyromaniacjon 4 years ago 2
Do you even listen to arguments?
MABUS01 4 years ago
great vid!!!
Cristofer7 4 years ago
sure u saw a billboard that said that. thats why i searched it on google and found a few pages on it
HelicalColossus 4 years ago
God has released you.
FAITHOUSE 4 years ago
wow. you make God sound like my earthly father- Violent,Abusive,And Addicted to crack
XXJESSEDXX 4 years ago
Right on, God fits neatly into the category of an abusive relationship.
hypersomnic 4 years ago 2
PaulsEgo, Comparing God to a warden? Come on, you have a choice, to obey or to not! You heard the gospel, and now your accountable. You blame God for your free will? Are you going to be like a little kid and say IVE NEVER KNOWN?
gqathlete 4 years ago
ive never heard the gospel, and you can go fuck yourself
charaus 4 years ago
With people such as yourelf representing this "Gospel" you mean to tell me that people will not be confused?! And no, its not demons covering their ears and eyes. "Well, Im only human.". No excuse. I suppose clinically deaf people have an excuse since they cannot "hear" your gospel. Please find a way to make some sense.
medicatedsaint 4 years ago
God did not make us stupid! If you were in a new city, how would you find your way? A map! Thats what the bible is, Gods revelation to us of him and how to find salvation, also people like me witnessing to people like you!
gqathlete 4 years ago
without using the bible, tell me, how do you know YOUR god is the only god? How do you know he is the RIGHT god? How do you know god is even a HE? How do you know god even exists? Without looking in your bible, without quoting scripture of any kind, can you give a reason WHY you have a right to stuff your god in others faces? Can you even rationalize it without scripture?
Kawamura2 4 years ago 2
Well the bible is not one book it is many, a collection of books that span forth thousands of years.... Written by different men,times, places and cultures. They are independent sources.. With out looking at the bible, I would have to say creation its self proves that God does exist. Also absolute truth going with right and wrong, God has written his laws upon our heart!
gqathlete 4 years ago
lol... there are no absolute truths. We know nothing.
FUCKING AMEN Paul, you're spot on.
AddyGoose 4 years ago
lol... there are no absolute truths. We know nothing.
Isn't that an absolute statement!!!! LOL!
gqathlete 4 years ago
ahhh... no. There is where you're wrong. Once again thinking 'we' know everything.
AddyGoose 4 years ago
Maybe creation itself proves that fairies exist. Flesh-eating fairies.
liebeboot 4 years ago
When people make stupid comments like that, you seem to believe that Christians have no evidences for there faith! Our faith is not in vain, Christianity is an intelligent faith which welcomes intelligent questions!
gqathlete 4 years ago
you'll be the first to prove it. You'll be the first to offer actual evidence. You'll be the first to define faith with intelligence, for that matter.
we all are waiting.....
unclexbob 4 years ago
gqathlete, no, that's not what I would call a "Choice".
"Do exactly what I said in the book or burn in hell for eternity" isn't exactly what I would call a "Choice". That's more like a threat or an ultimatum. "Do what I want and I'll give you 72 virgins and a farari" is closer to a choice.
"Hey, I've got this idea for a fun thing to do. You wanna do it too?" IS definitely a choice?
dechha1981 4 years ago
"A choice of obeying or not."
Like a slave or a prisoner: You can either keep your mouth shut and get back in line with the rest, never questioning anything, or you can suffer for all eternity.
That is not a choice, that is a dilemma.
elthariondrax 4 years ago 2
okay then how would u want "your" God to be
HelicalColossus 4 years ago
How would I want my god to be? A better question would be...WHY DOESN'T GOD REVEAL HIMSELF...JUST ONCE...TO ALL MAN AT ALL PLACES AT ALL TIMES AND STOP THIS STRIFE?
That's all. Just that simple. Just once, just like he used to do in the bible, just ONE miracle that would settle the question once and for all.
Wonko101 4 years ago
Everyone, everywhere gets the message in some form that is the same for everyone, everywhere and NO ONE can question it was of supernatural origin. A tatoo on EVERYONES face for a month, maybe? But no...can't do that stuff anymore. Not allowed. Nope, gotta have faith. Well, like Paul says in his other video, what if I have faith in a leprachaun living in your ass? You can't disprove it...you can't disprove a leprachaun DOESN'T live in your ass. Should I worship that?
Wonko101 4 years ago
"Don't be ridiculous Wonko...there is a book on god!". There are stories about Leprachauns...google it, you'll see. They have magical powers so they can make themselves unsees whenever they want, shrink when they want to fit in your butt and so on. So...I have to have faith? Well, I think I'll worship Shifty McLeprachaun (peanut butter upon him) who lives in your ass.
Wonko101 4 years ago
Good to see you back! And in great style!
lazarushf 4 years ago
hell isnt necessarily where u "burn". hell is a place of shame. Heaven is honor.
HelicalColossus 4 years ago
Or maybe it's just a made up place to scare people. Or maybe it's funland with candy and puppy dogs. Or maybe it IS a lake of fire. Who the fuck can know? Not me, and not you, brother.
tubesusedtobeboring 4 years ago
chipotle is the shit. nice video
djserrin 4 years ago
free will and Christianity are incompatible? okay... somebody choses to be a Christian. there u go, theres free will.
HelicalColossus 4 years ago
Hey Helical. On the free will part. You choose NOT to be a christian. That ALSO is free will. Yet, for that choice, you will burn forever. Hmmm...is that REALLY free will, then? Choose this, reward. Choose that, ETERNAL punishment. Not much FREE WILL choice.
Wonko101 4 years ago
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SpiralingOut23 4 years ago
PaulsEgo: You're a genious!
ulrich87 4 years ago
Ah shut up you idiot...why not spend more time running in the gym and less time sitting your FAT butt in front of the webcam RUNNING your mouth! You're very stupid and so are your subscribers. :-)
GradyHasNewSox 4 years ago
yes! you're back and great as ever. thanks for all your vids!
yukidotube 4 years ago
not being a christian doesnt mean everything God does isnt true..
HelicalColossus 4 years ago
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This reminds me of how I'm doing air conditioning tutorials in the nude.
DrZarkloff 4 years ago
superb vid as usual...didnt see ya in a long time paul...good to see ur still at it :D
derrickhayden 4 years ago
Haha frig....it cracks me up to see all these people saying what their god says. Hahahaha! Okay there people. In a book! How in the world can people worship a book I have no idea. Face it. It's a book. Unbelievable. Different books for different parts of the world, too. Keep giving your money to the book gods. Your local church loves that. More money.
morknmindl 4 years ago 2
wow maks write a book
anyways, very interesting video paul
RayAtheist 4 years ago
Nice prison analogy. Are atheists Andy Dufresne?
"Get busy living, or get busy dying."
Kaszely 4 years ago
You spelled atonement wrong.
NDNblud 4 years ago
The simpler answer to any of this is that either god ISN'T there at ALL or that he doesn't care. Using Occams razor, the simplest explanation of all is that GOD ISN'T THERE! THAT is why god didn't reach down with his mighty morphing magic hand and save the jews in WW2 with a miracle EVEN THOUGH he did this OVER AND OVER in the bible!
Wonko101 4 years ago
ALL of these EXACT SAME CHARGES were made BY HITLER AGAINST THE JEWS! YET, when the Israelites do this EXACT SAME THING out come the apologies for them! Have you guys EVER noticed this? Have you EVER considered how you have to, over and over and over, rationalize why god does this, orders that and so on? How it is GODS' PLAN, or THEY WEREN'T the right line of GODS' COVENANT and so on?
Wonko101 4 years ago
Again, he had a plan and ALL the suffering of the jews and their prayers to alleviate that suffering weren't going to change that plan. Further, gods' plans include actions that are the exact same as that of Hitler. The people of Midian (numbers) were living in the HOLY land. They weren't of the right RACE, they were the children of Ishmael not Isaac. They were perverting the children of Isaac with their religion and their perversions.
Wonko101 4 years ago
Every time I have argued with believers about why bad things happen to good people I get that it is "gods plan". Fair enough. If it's gods' plan, then what good are your prayers? He has a PLAN for all creation, including having bad things happen, such as what happened to the jews. I have been told by believers that what happened to the jews was part of gods' plan so that the jews would create Israel after WW2.
Wonko101 4 years ago
excellent analogy with the warden relationship...the free will vs God's plan issue was the biggest question that I ran into as a Christian which led me to start looking deeper.
KingHeathen 4 years ago
Sweet video. You rule. Make more sir.
SilkySmooth105 4 years ago
Exellent video, glad to see a new video from you.
Thank you.
DeletedDelusion 4 years ago
On the next episode of Oz, God stabs Alvarez with an AIDs infected needle. Stay tuned.
AtheistAaron 4 years ago 3
I've missed ya!
JealousGuy 4 years ago
great fucking video - it was about time you made a new one to, i've been waiting for it.
demogorgon13 4 years ago
Wow for a second there Paul i was worrying that i wouldn't get my lolgical fix!!!!
Great and addictive videos mate :) keep it up!
Chapps88 4 years ago
Fuck yeah, nigga, it's nice to see you back in the game.
As a side, God also practices zero tolerance (zero thinking) whereas a warden can't arbitrarily torture an inmate (legally, anyways) for as long as he likes. Like forever.
Cleanliness is next to Godliness, right? Well, if you want to be truly Godly, for every crime that's committed henceforth, apply the death penalty, whether it be shoplifting or mass murder. See how popular that idea becomes.
BoozyBeggar 4 years ago
great vid, ownage yet again. Your manner is awesome.
THEoldy 4 years ago
The worst part of spiritual prison? The large black roommate from Sodom
BallofJustice 4 years ago
long time no see! good video :)
ivarbt 4 years ago
if you were a homo, i would make a pass
PolliFaxToaster 4 years ago
I got that free-will bullshit from my Jehovahs Witness sister. After telling her what you've told us, you know what her response was?
"But..no, God gave us freewill."
: /
Hez1337 4 years ago
I was not disappointed. PaulsEgo delivers the goods.
antierratum 4 years ago
5/5 and playlisted. And I'll tell you why you rocked the mike on this one: I was a Xian for five years, so, in the second half, where you talked about the prison warden idea and even used the bible to illustrate some points--I felt like you really touched on some of the ideas and feelings I had that led me to leave the church--were you ever a Xian yourself?
doobiesmk 4 years ago
awesome !
tvshark 4 years ago
this is your best video yet paul...
XXJESSEDXX 4 years ago
No strawman, but appeal to consquences.
Even if christianity, as you claim, implies eternal dominion, that proves nothing against its truth. god could, indeed be a bully and dictator. as a reasonnalble person, I'd do what one want when they point a gun on me, even more if they pointed hell...
maksiiiskam2 4 years ago
There's a story in the bible about a man that wrestled God. And it got back respect. It's a myth but is shows that being true to yourself and having courage is the way to do it. Even if hell is so bad, I have no desire for heaven since will be filled with pussies, self-righteous people like you.
florinmiu 4 years ago
I think you did not understand me: 1.if you mean "self-righteous" in the sense that the wiktionnary gives (piously self-assured and smugly moralistic), that means that you assume me pious, assured, smugy, and moralistic which are all not the case (particularily not the last).
maksiiiskam2 4 years ago
2. I do not believe in courage, I believe that this characteristic is a social construct intiated by leaders who thought it would be very useful to convince their people to fight for them.
maksiiiskam2 4 years ago
3. If hell exists and is as worse as described by christianity, i would not like to spend my eternity there..
4. I am not a theist. I responded to this video only to say that he used a fallacy as an argument. If he had added that any specialist in terrorism will tell that terrorists are never to be dealt with (his comparison with dictatorship being also applyable with terrorism), it could have been more valid.
maksiiiskam2 4 years ago
Just because God knows what you did with your time on Earth before you were born does not mean you do not have free will. However, why God doesn't just skip to the roasting I don't know, maybe just pre-roasting one soul would change the destiny of many others, if this was the case though it would mean your fate was dependant on the actions of others and your free will is not as free as you might think.
Megiddon 4 years ago
"Just because God knows what you did with your time on Earth before you were born does not mean you do not have free will."
Well yes Megiddon, it indeed means that one doesn't have free will. Since his life is already determined by "God's" foreseen knowledge. And the "pre-roasting" aspect doesn't change the fact that everything else is determined as well, the actions one takes and the influences it has on others.
digitalLotus 4 years ago
"....life is already determined by "God's" foreseen knowledge." How so? consider you are god and someones life is on DVD, you can watch the whole DVD and then see that life and the choices made, every time you play the video it is always the same, before you put that disc in the player you know the ending, the plot and the continuity errors. How is knowing what happened, determining what happened?
Megiddon 4 years ago
Again, in your case then "God" is basically just a observer who can't interfere with life she created.
digitalLotus 4 years ago
Of course she can interfere, the director's cut scenario, this isn't always a change for the better.
Megiddon 4 years ago
Furthermore, since "God" is all-knowing and therefore knows every single outcome, then why interfere? Why create life on earth knowing that individual will end in hell for eternity.
In that case "God" wouldn't be all-good... or "God" is simply a mere observer. Nothing more.
digitalLotus 4 years ago
If God's universe was just a theoretical exercise, and knowing the outcome of everything made her choose not to create it in the first place, then there would be no sinners to burn and where's the fun in that?
Megiddon 4 years ago
This perspective contradicts with the nature of the biblical God. In this case God is then not all-good and the actions God takes, as "punishments", are in the first place useless, since God knows the outcome of everything...
digitalLotus 4 years ago