I don't know if the building actually dated to antebellum plantation times but, it was that style and was large and had collunms as you described. I think it might have faced hwy 6. I remember a sign for jester unit nearby. If I find anything out I will let you know. Thanks for your reply.
@LoneTinaja did the central Prison property have a white antebellum plantation building with columns on it an the property? When I was a kid living in surgarland I had seen this building on a prison farm. Now I have been reading about Baker, Lead Belly and American Folk music I was wondering if that is the same property I had seen.
@juan13579run well.. it's not a bad version .. but i don't think Ram Jam knows what it feels like to be enslaved and-or imprisoned.. true emotions is what makes Iron head's version better(my English is not that good .. hope you know what i mean by "emotions")
About the guy posting about this recording not being up to the high standards of pop-radio (omg, I can't say that sentence out loud without breaking down and snickering): Don't feed the trolls.
lol and there are also noobs who hear the Spiderbait version and say it's racist for calling Betty "black" *rolls eyes* Yeah, I guess IronHead and LeadBelly are really klansmen in disguise...
@Tahlia350 You are looking at this piece all wrong... it is culture and history...there is a reason no one plays this on the radio. Everyone knows that most don't care about this the "black Betty" piece, but don't ruin it for the few of us that do...please and thank you
I just created a new online page that features some videos of the song "Black Betty". That page also includes the lyrics of Leadbelly, James Iron Head Baker, & others' version of this song as well as several other songs that include the name "Black Betty". In addition, that page includes various opinions about the meanings of "Black Betty" & possibly related names such as "Black Annie". This video is included on that page. Google Cocojams Text Analysis Black Betty In African American songs
Black Betty is a 20th century African-American work song often credited to Huddie "Lead Belly" Ledbetter as the author, though the earliest recordings are not by him
@sgreen4 At John Lomax' request Governor James V. Allred granted Baker a furlough to tour as a minstrel, visit penitentiaries in Mississippi, Florida, South Carolina, Virginia, sing his songs so that other convicts will understand what Lomax wants for his folk-song files in the Library of Congress.
@sgreen4 To Governor Allred Convict Baker explained his nickname: "Wal, Guv'nor, when I first landed in de pen, I was chopping wood one day when we cut down an oak tree and a big limb hit me in de head. Dat limb broke, but I went right on workin'. So de boys call me Ironhead."
@sgreen4 We can't be really sure. Documents say he made several dozen songs in different prisons. His life outside is not well documented... From the artistic point of view he surely achieved more when he was in jail.
@waspeer I think bakers righst for this song are already gone... well, its a song that has been recorded almost 80 years ago, and who knows when it was performed for the first time... so I doubt there will be anyboby selling this song... rather just download it from somewhere (just google it)
A bit late I know........I have it on a CD "Alan Lomax Popular Songbook" (Rounder CD 82161-1863-2). The Lomaxes (both Alan, senior and junior) collected field recordings of traditional music and raided the Library of Congress etc. A real treasure trove! There is also an "Alan Lomax Blues Songbook" (Rounder CD82161-1866-2). Good Luck.
This is the best version I've heard.
simzap1 2 months ago
I don't know if the building actually dated to antebellum plantation times but, it was that style and was large and had collunms as you described. I think it might have faced hwy 6. I remember a sign for jester unit nearby. If I find anything out I will let you know. Thanks for your reply.
jessmrow 4 months ago in playlist Liked
@jessmrow I seem to recall a large 2 story
building that had columns on the front that
faced either US59 or TX6. If so, it may have
been the HQ of Imperial Sugar Company. I
don't recall an Antebellum plantation home
on Central Unit. I suggest contacting the
Fort Bend County historical museum,
Sugarland public library, & Texas Prison
Musuem. I would like to know what you
find.
LoneTinaja 5 months ago
The State of Texas has sold the Central Prison
property to real estate developers, & they're tearing
down the building where Baker & the others were
housed when they weren't working in the crop fields.
I remember the prison from the '70s when I worked
at another prison farm in the region
LoneTinaja 6 months ago
@LoneTinaja did the central Prison property have a white antebellum plantation building with columns on it an the property? When I was a kid living in surgarland I had seen this building on a prison farm. Now I have been reading about Baker, Lead Belly and American Folk music I was wondering if that is the same property I had seen.
jessmrow 5 months ago in playlist Liked
I forgot to add "in my opinion" !
AntonioFDZ 7 months ago
ram jam version is better...
juan13579run 8 months ago
@juan13579run well.. it's not a bad version .. but i don't think Ram Jam knows what it feels like to be enslaved and-or imprisoned.. true emotions is what makes Iron head's version better(my English is not that good .. hope you know what i mean by "emotions")
AntonioFDZ 7 months ago
About the guy posting about this recording not being up to the high standards of pop-radio (omg, I can't say that sentence out loud without breaking down and snickering): Don't feed the trolls.
lol and there are also noobs who hear the Spiderbait version and say it's racist for calling Betty "black" *rolls eyes* Yeah, I guess IronHead and LeadBelly are really klansmen in disguise...
BillyBughead 9 months ago
@Tahlia350 there's more wars today. which musician speaking out at atrocity are you going to blame for it this time? Way to keep hate alive jackass.
badass30gmailcom 10 months ago
@Tahlia350 ever heard of "a capella"? how dumb can you be...
sofiabailote 11 months ago
Too much, Erik! A real gem.
mickindanny 1 year ago
GREAT SONG;IT'S TOO BAD...SO MANY PEOPLE ARE SO IGNORANT.
THANKS, IVE NEVER HEARD THIS VERSION BEFORE
FROM THE STREETS OF BOSTON, SHITTY SHAWN NKA HOBOPUNK 02128
HOBOPUNK02128 1 year ago
@Tahlia350 You are looking at this piece all wrong... it is culture and history...there is a reason no one plays this on the radio. Everyone knows that most don't care about this the "black Betty" piece, but don't ruin it for the few of us that do...please and thank you
luskletterwine 1 year ago
The history of this song is amazing i can't get over this.
luskletterwine 1 year ago
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I just created a new online page that features some videos of the song "Black Betty". That page also includes the lyrics of Leadbelly, James Iron Head Baker, & others' version of this song as well as several other songs that include the name "Black Betty". In addition, that page includes various opinions about the meanings of "Black Betty" & possibly related names such as "Black Annie". This video is included on that page. Google Cocojams Text Analysis Black Betty In African American songs
Azizip17 1 year ago
@Tahlia350 You fucking idiot , this is a field recording , by an inmate , NOT and actual song . bloddy bastard .
Thesarajensen17 1 year ago
Black Betty is a 20th century African-American work song often credited to Huddie "Lead Belly" Ledbetter as the author, though the earliest recordings are not by him
butterfukker 1 year ago
@butterfukker taken straight from wikipedia
pizza123abc 1 year ago
@butterfukker
Thesarajensen17 1 year ago
Iron Head and Lead Belly: The greatest Metal band that never was.
TheDSil 1 year ago 30
Here I have been thinking that ram jam did it first. Well I am now informed
quiksilvermanblue 1 year ago 2
I wonder what happened to Iron Head
sgreen4 1 year ago 15
@sgreen4 At John Lomax' request Governor James V. Allred granted Baker a furlough to tour as a minstrel, visit penitentiaries in Mississippi, Florida, South Carolina, Virginia, sing his songs so that other convicts will understand what Lomax wants for his folk-song files in the Library of Congress.
Vestergade58 1 year ago
@sgreen4 To Governor Allred Convict Baker explained his nickname: "Wal, Guv'nor, when I first landed in de pen, I was chopping wood one day when we cut down an oak tree and a big limb hit me in de head. Dat limb broke, but I went right on workin'. So de boys call me Ironhead."
Vestergade58 1 year ago
@sgreen4 We can't be really sure. Documents say he made several dozen songs in different prisons. His life outside is not well documented... From the artistic point of view he surely achieved more when he was in jail.
pravljicezaotroke 2 months ago
cool
GoneBazaar 1 year ago
Man, where can I buy this?
waspeer 2 years ago
I can send you the MP3!!! Send a msg!!
PositivFritid 2 years ago
@waspeer I think bakers righst for this song are already gone... well, its a song that has been recorded almost 80 years ago, and who knows when it was performed for the first time... so I doubt there will be anyboby selling this song... rather just download it from somewhere (just google it)
Hraster 1 year ago
@Hraster
Thesarajensen17 1 year ago
@waspeer
A bit late I know........I have it on a CD "Alan Lomax Popular Songbook" (Rounder CD 82161-1863-2). The Lomaxes (both Alan, senior and junior) collected field recordings of traditional music and raided the Library of Congress etc. A real treasure trove! There is also an "Alan Lomax Blues Songbook" (Rounder CD82161-1866-2). Good Luck.
jokitosh 1 year ago
this is awesome
groundedsax 2 years ago
I was just thinking about this recording today, while searching for some old versions of Stagger Lee. Great!
mickindanny 2 years ago
Intresting info about Doc Reese - had him on record without any info
2009framat 2 years ago