Zakir Naik vs William Campbell-Quran and Bible (pt 7 0f 10)

[elftantra]

the "truth" is far deeper than any of these given frames

Truth/reality/Dharma/God/Allah­/etc., etc. is simply not beholden to the suckling of books and ideologies. These religions serve more as a shell; and before the almighty, omniscient/omnipresenct "whatever" that is ultimacy, we are intrinsically naked, whether we admit it, or are awake to it, or not.

As far as human transcription of "divine" revelation goes, however, I'd go with certain Pali texts over this tripe anyday.

[dannysees]

@MrStrumhard

I would definitely debate with him. We could go over things such as those brought up on the YouTube channel named TheIslamMiracle after we go over the origin of religion in that region and ystematically show there is no reason to believe in any of the myths, legends, or preacher/prophets of the past.

Naik is a better speaker and salesman than I am, but I believe my patience, objective reasoning, and years of study would give a good showing in the eyes of open-minded people.

[dannysees]

@oldham287 I don't believe in the Bible as being true, or Quran. Both have a primitive ideology and contain incongruity as well as scientific and historical error.

They are evolution of the myths and legends in that area and champion primitive laws resembling Code of Hammurabi, Lipit-Ishtar, Hittite laws, etc.

Tell people the authority for your thoughts as priest/ruler is divine and threaten with punishment in this life and/or a hereafter was the style for Middle East 4,000-1,400 yrs ago

[dannysees]

Lots of goonies in the comment section making fun of William Campbell because they know he is right and they express their frustrations ;)

"no no white man, you have the translation all wrong, you don't know Quran"

The fact that he is a boring speaker and does not know Arabic has no bearing on the fact that the Quran is nonsense. You put your hands over your ears and sing "lalalalalala" when logic, intelligence, and universal morality is telling you that Quran/Hadith = primitive, wrong, etc.

[RippIemagne]

@dannysees

Hahaha. My sentiments, exactly.

[lilmisselly57]

@dannysees maybe they are making fun out of doctor Campbell because he has nothing solid to say ... nthn scientifically proven, nthn solid, only stories and invented things about the Qur'an. I suppose u were upset by the thing that Dr. Naik had solid facts and it probably scared u too so u quickly started convincin urself it cant be true, they taught us those muslims r bad, their religion cant be better ... i suggest u learn things about both books b4 u make a decision and comment. Peace with u

[dannysees]

@lilmisselly57 I have been studying and discussing Islam for over 13 years, nobody is convincing me about the things I say. Right now I'm sitting next to a 700 page biography of Muhammad written by a Muslim and two translations of the Qur'an - I use them and a few other books I have concerning Islam (all written by Muslims) when I discuss Islam with believers and non-believers.

Being good at arguing does not make your arguments valid. This is what people need to understand about Zakir Naik.

[coolhazim0]

@dannysees Dude....tell me the person u are talking about. Ibn Ishaq? Lmao....

[nivek0ful]

@dannysees,,, would like to know you buddy,,,,, check your inbox plz,,,

[Adil185ify]

that's a solid performance for an old fart like you!!!!!!! huh

[lovesux323]

He just got one point (which is his misunderstanding) and is discussing it from last 5 parts :-@ Stupid old man :-@.. He is sooooooooooooo boring

[spillz1123]

This guy can't even read English correctly, I don't know why he is debating.

[volound]

@spillz1123 hes raping the quran. cant u see past the pronunciation?

[saifulah1303]

Aren't there Christians scholars to advise this William Campell..cos he is speaking on behave of many christians yet he achieved nothing in his debate with Dr Zakir Naik apart from shame and humility. The term "Qamar" means Moon so as Muniir or Nuur...just like one object has many names in every language..so what was the big deal of him showing that video of Dr Zakir..besides does this guy not know the 100s of mistakes in the bible? how did he sovle them?

[DAMIENBUTTERFLY]

@saifulah1303 the reason hes not picking up misatkes in the bible is becasue christians accept its not the direct words of jesus but the koran is held up as the direct words of muhammed hes showing how surah that are supposed to be attributed to muhammed as allah inspired knowledge was actually documented already athe time by greek scholars

[mstergntt]

@DAMIENBUTTERFLY maybe u come across here again.. i just got a question... as u say christians know that the bible aint the direct words of jesus how would u follow it as this holds a chance its misleading and cant be trusted?

[mayfairpeter]

@mstergntt i cant speak on behalf of christians and although i was born christian i do not regard myself as a christian the koran is a copy of many parts of the bible we must do our own research and find the answers in our selves instead of books that are open to corruption

[mstergntt]

@mayfairpeter indeed but u know... its like holy books r in a series comes quran as the last in it completing whats needed to be apparently u will find some parts in bible and Torah with completion in quran... i hope u get my point... btw.. prophets holly books are our perfect guidance one way to show us the answers we need... just we need to believe in the truth:)

thanks for ur concern to reply :)

[mayfairpeter]

@mstergntt yes we do need to believe in the truth but the truth is inside us when we see something in the holy books that we agree with its becasue its mirrorring what we already know god has given us the truth inside us already and if we listen to our hearts where the truth is we cant go wrong look at erkhart tolle and stillness speaks on you tube

[MegaFraudbuster]

There is no miracle in the Quran - it is man made to fool the poor desert arabs .They remain fooled up to this day - simply because they wish to remain that way.Any questions could result in killing .Without a dialogue they are doomed.

[armaan1423]

u have got tons and millions of videos hating islam...??

y my brother???

if u don't want to believe don't do it.. y u r inertefring and putting ur comments everywher,,meet me once i will sort out all the misconception u have...

may jesus (PBUH) BLESS U/....

[runefenix06]

this guy made people sleep -.-

[benten0000]

why is this guy livos to talk about leech?

its not a big deal u dead old man.

[0Justice911]

another once that traces Islam's contribution to the world (I forgot its name). My point here i see such debates as an attempt to clear out these misconspsions and to show the greatness of the Quran to stop all racism and discrimination and hatred surrounding Islam. Actually the 2nd and 3rd rules of msulim faith is to respect Jesus and Mose and all prphets and all holy bools (Bilble and Torah).

Sorry for writing that much, i hope u got my point. Peace out,with all respect ;D

[jdtrickster4]

Brother, ALL religions have made contributions to society. Buddha civilized the East & Far East by his philosophy. Confucius & Lao Tze were a great civilizing influence. Every religion's had men of wisdom. St Thomas Aquinas, as one ex. for Christianity. I'm not familiar with Jewish or Islamic scholars but I DO know that the middle east was very culturally & scientifically influential: Math, Geometry, Medicine, Astronomy, etc.

I respect ALL men & ALL faiths, though I don't buy into "religion."

[AldousFurlong]

@0Justice911 One does not respect Yeshua, you either accept him as the son of God, or you reject him as a fraud.

[0Justice911]

when I talk about the Quran its not in intention to preach ppl about Islam or to prove their religion wrong, not at all. Today, there is allot of misconceptions regarding Islam caused by both close-minded westerns who judge based on biased opinions full of hatred and by ignorant muslims who fall easily those morons who use religion as a tool to serve their sick materlistic political desires. but cant dismiss what islam brought to the world, see a BBC documentary called Islam and science and

[jdtrickster4]

And this is a DEBATE. I think both men respect each other as men & respect each other's faith, even though they may disagree vehemently on specific fine points in each other's belief system.

Of course, I don't know for sure but we are all civilized men. No reason not to show civility. That's *my* opinion.

We can all disagree but I hope this does not come between us as men, as Mahatma Gandhi said to the prime minister to India when they met for the last time to discuss India's independence.

[dadaahmed]

WOW! This Old White Man Really SUX!!!

[sofiaibrahim]

The muslims are melting...melting in boredom to see that olf fuckin kafirun who is soon going to die giving his reading speech.

[jdtrickster4]

He's also right about the moon reflecting off the sun & how this wasn't an inspiration from Allah but was already a known fact 1000 yrs before and he has a video of Dr. Naik as proof.

Again, END of STORY! Point made!

[strivetillend]

please friend, it's true many2 years before Muhammad(pbuh)was born the fact that the moon light is already known they claimed Muhammad copied the fact from a greek man or someone (i'm not quite sure) but if you studied all the fact that the same man also stated many wrong things about science! and Alhamdullilah there's nothing wrong fact of science in the Quran.point made.

may Allah guide us.Ameen

[jdtrickster4]

Doesn't make a difference - even if he was wrong on everything else. That it was known 1000 yrs ago and you acknowledge it is proof enough. End of story!

[jdtrickster4]

He may be boring and he may not have the charismatic personality of a Sam Harris or a Dawkins but if he's right about the embryo theory & all those he mentions are wrong by modern standards, END of STORY! He made his point! And exhaustively so, I might add. LoL

[0Justice911]

TO JDrickster Did u listen to the whole thing, Dr.C is desperately trying to manipulate lingustic &historic facts to win the debate, Dr.Naik crsuhed him with his answer + Dr.C was given 22 bible errors but he barely addressed 2 in a very poor argument &weakly researched. He did not put the same effort to prove the bible was Gods words compared with his desperate attemp to prove the Quran wrong, not to mention Muslims repect Jesus and the bible, soo END of STORY as u say, peace!!

[jdtrickster4]

Yeah and you didn't address any of the points I made. There are NO Koranic or Islamic miracles. There are NO Biblical or Christian miracles. And there are NO Jewish nor Torah/Talmud miracles. There are NO MIRACLES. Only BELIEF. Beliefs are okay until they harm others.

But you're, "as we say," barking up the wrong tree. There is great truth in all 4 of these books but also outright lies & deception. They mislead. I respect all human beings until they prove themselves unworthy of such respect.

[0Justice911]

I'm not talking about miricales, i'm talking about evidence that proves that there is a creator. Not only in biology but also astronomy, physics,chemisry, medicine..etc. Yes u r right, but what makes Islam diferent is that it is not only about faith in God, but it also addresses everything in life, its a system of life for individuals, goverment and societies as whole. Do u know how many laws today are based on the Quran? Also check Islam's contribution to economics & international law..CONT

[0Justice911]

Do u know about islamic banking systems, and how during this recession it is the only banks that are totally uneffected, also many ppl are trying to bring the 2% islamic tax on all earnings, which helped the islamic empire to rise in the old days becuase it can booost the economy & combat poverty. These are few examples which shows the uniqueness of the Quran. You can reserch about with an open-mind, u'll be impressed. Muslims respect other religions, they only ask for the same respect back.

[runefenix06]

there are Islamic miracles you prick :S :|

[ricearony1]

Very weak, why is he reading this from a precompiled speech?

Please god, guide Dr. Campbell to the true path

[lifeisshortliveitup]

dr cambell is boring he sux he is talkin only a history

[sashacute22]

very good . dr campbell has produced a very logical speech with researched material. zakir niak has memorised koran, bible and few hindu controversial lines from few scriptures.zakir niak uses few tricks with his memorised verses.

[sashacute22]

1. he will translate koran arabic verses in such a way so as to produce a logic that would fit science of modern day with koran. that translation is deceiving cause people dont know arabic and he translates knowing this.

2. his arguments are very college level arguments. no proper research no nothing. some stupid examples and somehow tries to prove what ever he wants.

[rocslee]

he didnt memorize anything actually, he reffers to ethe books he keeps and his knowledge base is limited if u see it

[theperfectionist]

Look at these muslim faces loool the crowd is melting before William Campbell

[ijblmnq]

oi you the guy cussin the prophet (pbuh).  you will burn in hell and all of your statements are not justified by any means go and say this to dr zakir naik and hell prove you wrong at every stage. you fukin kafir bhaainchod

[mamoo319]

illetrate

[bobnos]

the light part of the video.

he said 100- years before muhammed.. yeah that guy who said its reflected light from the moon.. people must have laughed at him right? thats why everyone ended up beliving its the moons own light

when quraan said its reflected we belived and it was millions who belived

peace

[ramsmenon]

the point is that it being mentioned is not a miracle

[shakirshuvo]

The holy Qur'an mentioning about the reflected light of the moon may not be a miracle but the holy Qur'an mentions over a thousand scientific facts which have been only proven recently with the help of modern technology... And that's a miracle.

[ramsmenon]

what are these scientific facts btw. if there really were such facts in one of the most read books for the last 1000 years then why is it that only know people are discovering them?

[shakirshuvo]

Did you not watch the whole debate or are you selectively watching Dr. Campbell's arguments. Dr. Zakir Naik has delivered a few of hundreds of scientific facts written in the Qur'an. If you're too lazy to watch the whole video let me know, I'll post some of those facts.

[ramsmenon]

I did watch the dr Naik's scientific facts- I thought all of them everything from embryology to reflected light were countered well by dr campbell.

[shakirshuvo]

Are you kidding me? Even Dr. Campbell wore a face that has got defeat all over his face. And when did he refute Dr. Naik's explanation? All he said that he doesn't agree with him. Next time when you watch a debate keep an open mind, otherwise you'll always believe only what you want to believe, which will keep you in darkness till death... Just a piece of advise.

[ramsmenon]

Um I am of the opinion that it is you who need to keep an open mind. Dr campbell gave a very well researched and extensive refutaion to all the scientific claims. Dr naik gave a short knee jerk reaction answers with a lot of noise nothing else. Dr campbell, not wanting to lower the debate to such a level of both sides mearly throwing , decide to leave it to the audience to decide who was right. he was trying to hold a mature debate.

[shakirshuvo]

Let me tell you a story... There's this guy who believed that he was dead... so, a doctor came and tried to convince him that he isn't dead. After three hours he had failed to convince him... Then, he takes a knife and cuts him in the arm and says, "See you're alive, you're bleeding. Then the patient say, "See! dead man bleeds too." Some people will always deny the truth even it's presented to them.

[ramsmenon]

Precisely the moral applies to you . Think about it. As dr campbell puts : decide for yourself.

Are silly amateurish speeches more convincing than a more mature in depth discussion of a topic? You surely won't argue that dr campbell's speach wasn't more researched, contained more references than the one or two liners by dr naik

[ramsmenon]

you do realize that you do appear to everyone very closed minded so much not to even to consider the possibilty that you may be wrong.

[shakirshuvo]

Are you kidding me? Even Dr. Campbell wore a face that had defeat written all over it. And when did he refute Dr. Naik's explanation? All he said that he doesn't agree with him. Next time when you watch a debate keep an open mind, otherwise you'll always believe only what you want to believe, which will keep you in darkness till death... Just a piece of advise.

[ramsmenon]

Lets take another of dr naik's very 'good' arguments to which I happen to be blindly ignoring. the koran is vastly superior and as such it needs not follow grammar normal grammar rules!!! Ridiculous. Sir you are so blind ,

[ramsmenon]

I presume when you heard dr campbell speak you may had felt a little doubt at first. Then when you could hear a muslim make a lot of noise in a reply, and without weighing which of the two speakers made more sense, nor perhaps taking trouble to understand what dr naik actually said, you decided to think what you wanted to believe- that there are proper counter arguments to all that raised by dr campbell!!