school vouchers... free taxpayer money for catholic schools. Another way for THE ROMAN CATHOLIC EMPIRE to get you and me to pay for arrogant rats who are better and more elite than our own sons and daughters.
this guy is knights of columbus...too dumb to realize that they can steal more money with one .45 than with all their phony swords and chicken feathers combined... No need to steal the ammunition.. the weapon (empty) would suffice.
This is actually about privatizing education. It means using tax dollars to fund private education companies, i.e. chartered schools and other fop-profit, wall street controled companies. It is cloaked as school choice and dressed up...but it is about redistributing wealth. You can be assured that privatization causes money to flow up-hill to the elites who create these schools, lobby for these schools, and sit on corporate boards for these companies.
Hybrid Education -- supported or owned by WHO? Is anyone else in the BUSH family involved in this Education process? The BUSHES do nothing that is NOT planned for a REASON folks - making money & supporting THEIR FAMILY. Barbara's Katrina donation was to the school system, ...interesting that her one son had the program and the other son was in the White House. So instead of PARENTs standing up for their KIDS education, homework, skill set, critical thinking... its the government SLAVE-TEACH.
@bigbobby17 - Yeah, sorry, a few jack and cokes doesn't make for the most articulate post on my part...
It's a personal beef of mine, so I ranted a bit...It annoys me when the discussion turns to technology, rather then addressing results. Technology is great, but proposing there might some day be some "perfect educational technology" is not an excuse for poor performance. However, it is often it is used as such by politicians who want to secure funding, and academic apologists.
In a nutshell: Allow a free market for education services to form, and a variety of charities, non-profits, for-profits, and other groups will compete, implementing what works or ceasing to be. The real conversation is not about what works. That may be pretty clear, or there could be real innovations out there. The real issue is actually giving people the incentive to implement what works and pursue innovation. Institutional Reform is what really matters! I don't hear that.
@jsebastianfilms That's something I did not know. I did'nt know that the fact that you are related to someone makes you the same as that person. Are you your brother? Are you your father? If you believe that then you are a fool. Jeb Bush actually has a decent record. Look it up. When he became Governor of Florida,Florida ranked dead last in educational achievement,but,after 8 years of Bush led reforms,Florida was near the top. I think that the wrong Bush made it to the White House.
UNICEF released a report on education systems around the world. In the report, Innocenti Report Card no.7, the reasons for poor academic performance were analyzed. Surprisingly, money is NOT the answer, parents and students were the cause of poor education. In higher performing countries, students go home and do homework everyday. In America, students go home and "just chill". We import engineers because we can not graduate enough on our own, but we have millions of social workers. Sad, just sad
All the Jeb Bush hating is almost like a weird reverse ad hominem. Like... we generally agree with him on this idea, but people are focusing on discrediting him and not addressing his points, even though they're valid and actually quite interesting. He's probably one of the more well researched pro school choice types.
How 'bout this: Jeb Bush is a douche, but douches can be right.
I wish we had a constitutional amendment making national government involvement in education illegal. I'm certainly pro-education but the national government involvement of any kind has to go.
I find it funny when I hear 'Republicans' who talk about 'small government' but they seem to be hell bent on intervening when people want to die with dignity. Oh yes, freedom in every other aspect except in your own life and the relationships that you would like to develop with others of consenting age. Do us all a favour and take a high dive into a shallow rock pool you hypocritical cunt Jeb.
European education is better than American education because freedom of choice and competition exists, even while being government-run. The US could easily take it a step further by removing the government completely and wind up having the best education in the world . . . if it weren't for the liberals, and the unions . . .
@fitobcnfito All public schools are government-run. That's why they're called public schools. The main difference between public schools in America and public schools in Europe is that European schools employ competition, which cannot exist where freedom of choice has been removed via government control (like in the United States). Another important difference is that if a school in Europe is performing poorly, the government closes it. In America, all we do is give them more money.
@5jv7 It's actually a bit more complicated, since we have public, private, and 1/2.
1) We dont close any school, ever, is not a matter of preformance, is a matter of number of kids in the are who need schooling.
2) In some countries as mine (Spain), you should also consider Jesuits (religious schools, that is the traditional schooling: those are the ones that are half public and half private at the same time).
You have competition Private/Public/Religious/Intenartional
@fitobcnfito If people have freedom of choice, they're going to choose the schools that perform the best, so the ones that perform the worst won't have enough people and close. So performance indirectly affects which schools stay open. Naturally the laws vary by country, and even by areas within certain countries. But however limited the competition is, it's still better than the complete lack of competition happening throughout most of America.
@5jv7 that competition concept we do implement it when College, not in High Schools at all (you have to go to your district) but once you reach college, I'm from Barcelona-Spain, but I can go study for aprox the same price, to my city college, any city within Spain, or Paris, London or wherever inside the European Community (we actually have a 1 year program, by the European community, that incentivizes you to study abroad: ERASMUS).
@fitobcnfito Looking just at both Spanish and American test scores, your do objections seem realistic, as Spain places behind the US in every PISA category. I'm not positive about the intricacies of all systems within all European countries, and only assert that Europe in general is more competitive than the US, and that this is the main reason for the [in general] better public education found in Europe.
@5jv7 The only way to trick that competition limitation in Spain, and get around it, is by attending religious schools by the Jesuits (they have 1000s, church is the historic knowledge and schooling center, in countries as mine), but then you have to accept the indoctrination of your child in the Dogma by the catholic church... sometimes is worth so, since never the less, we are all Spaniards raised in catholic values anyway. If religious (state pays for ½ the school fee).
@5jv7 Is not the "same price", as college price is not the sam in every country, but if I go to college in Paris, I would pay aprox the same price as a local Paris citizen.
@fitobcnfito It's a different case for universities. American universities are privatized as well, are very competitive, and rank as best in the world.
@5jv7 European schools employ competition, by freedom of choice... O.o!
No Sr, we can not choose the public school were our kids go to, it depends on your zip code area: you can only choose if you go to private or religious.
the education problem has nothing to do with the schools its all about the parents.When will people wake upand realixe most parents are dumber then their kids and the kids are idiots
Reason goes dumb ass ! The most important thing Libertarians are fighting for is to extricate education from government control. Gov't control is the primary reason that the country has gone in the direction that it has. I personally know of two efforts to create online open schooling for all, at a cost of dollars a course, and Reason is putting forward the statist agenda for education. When gov't does online education, it will outlaw the online systems & make home schoolers use their crap.
@sparsematrix If the national libtard-commie-progtard media had spent 6-7 years trashing Jeb every day, you'd hate him too. Morons leading sheeple...this is what America has become.
@Aeronomer> libtard-commie-progtard media < What? The sheep of the world are told what to think, feel, know, and puke up... by those who establish "mandatory sacred cows" This Jeb Bush found the biggest sacred cow...THE ROMAN CATHOLIC EMPIRE.. and leached on.
Disrupting the education monopoly !! I like the idea. With digital classrooms as a tool, schools could teach better with less personel ( and lower taxes )
"makes no sense he left supporting an unsustainable system"... really? Please wake up and ask yourself what unsustainable system does the left not support? Everything they support is unsustainable! EVERYTHING!!!
I never have seen ReasonTV ever interview Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Tom Woods, or Lew Rockwell and they air people like Bush? I've finally had it with ReasonTV. unsubscribed
Good for Jeb. At least he sees the writing on the wall. Books are old technology. Writing is old technology. I haven't picked up a pen in months. School rooms are ancient history. The future is in electronic learning customized to each student's capabilities. All forms of schooling will be and should be dramatically overhauled to utilize technological trends. The result is lower cost and higher quality. I'm behind you on this one Jeb.
@usintelreport Just remember in life, noone is ever 100% correct on everythig and noone is ever 100% wrong on everything. That being said the entire Bush family is as corrupt as they come.
If you want to fix education first get the federal government out of it - there is no Constitutional authority for the Dept. of Ed. Secondly, get the socialists out. Public education has been co-opted by socialists for well over century now. I don't hear Jeb Bush talking about that.
There idea of computerized learning is a good one, interactive lessons, instant grading, lectures from the best teachers in the world on any given subject. It would allow more students per teacher as the teacher would have less to do and would be spending most of their time on one-on-one with students. That being said, I don't see it happening any time soon.
How dare you promote a real educational system; how do you expect the Democrat Party to survive such a population of educated people? Where will the Republican Party get their solders to fight their wars? Are you nuts? :-))
@MsWanderer1 Education does a very poor job of say what party people will belong to. But it does seem like niether party wants any real change in the system.
I don't understand all the negative comments. Of the Bushes, Jeb really hasn't done that much harm. He's been a proponent of vouchers and charter schools for some time now so I doubt it's an act. As a libertarian, I wouldn't want my views judged in light of my parent's views. Would any of you want that? Certainly Jeb is no libertarian, but school choice is a libertarian idea. At least criticize him for something he's done himself, like the Terri Schiavo law.
@Thorbie He is also responsible for the FCAT, which for better or worse causes teachers here in FL to teach to the test and not for real world survival.
The teachers teach only what's necessary to pass the test? Definitely the governor's fault. Or the president! Can't be just that the teachers want only to cover their asses against the rising demand for quality teaching and country-wide standards.
Sooo.....if this idea is such a good idea, we should see examples of it being successfully used in other countries. Whats that? China and Finland are at the top? Figures.
@agitcam So do you have any comments on the idea he was talking about or did the chant "Bush Equals Evil" that runs through your head block out everything he said?
@hydralisk125 - I guess I wrote my comment weird. I'm saying that education, healthcare, insurance, etc. shouldn't be run by private corporations. They should be run by agencies that are accountable to the public.
Because right now, I can tell you this much. School boards are NOT accountable to the public. A company screws up with your kid, you can sue them. Your school board does something stupid? See how far they'll go to dodge accountability.
A bad teacher? In a private school, they get fired. A public school teacher? Gets to go sit in a special building and kill time every day for the rest of their year, or tenure.
@AdamaGeist - That's a lot of exaggerated nonsense. School boards are accountable to the public. They're VOTED on to the board by residents through elections. And bad teachers are fired all the time. Tenure is a good idea for colleges. But there's a good conversation to have about having tenured K-12 teachers. Quit the privatization fetish (the "everything must be private" mantra), stop making up b.s., and let's just be reasonable about this and discuss this like adults.
@redchango Sir, I just ask this. Go look up some data on this subject. Please, do. Look up details about school board elections. Look up arguments about teacher terminations. Look up the so called 'Rubber Rooms'. And by all means, look up the public union reactions to the idea of students going on-mass to private schools.
I'm not going to tell you things. I'm simply asking you to research my side of the argument for a moment before you make your next reply. That way we might have a conversation
Profit, in a competitive market, provides the incentive to do well at something. Loss is the incentive not to do poorly.
Greed is not necessarily bad, as long as there are rules to make people play fairly. The question is, how do greedy people get money? The answer, by doing something else someone is willing to pay them for. Competition drives down costs while increasing quality.
Reason.Tv....why would you even dare speak to any member of this vile, Nazi supporting (Union Banking Corp) disgrace of a family? The Bush name has been attached to so much death and genocide, not to mention Neil Bush swindling $1.3 billion from the American public in the Silverado Savings & Loan scandal. This video now gives me doubts about your sincerity in the Libertarian ideology, considering you would interview a Bush before you would a man like Stephan Molyneux. Just disgraceful
I have seen some outstanding on-line course material on math and science that I believe can be used in the traditional classroom. While I would not consider it a complete solution, I think Jeb is right... A liberal (like myself) can get behind this idea.
Not sure. My initial reaction was that it didn't sound like a Bush. I can tell he was being very careful on how far he wanted to take the proposal and "seeing cracks in the current system" is far more positive then some of the GOP "it's all the unions fault" kind of language.
That is a typical response from the right. Can you think past that knee-jerk reaction?
I remember a consultant that was a professional crises negotiator that told me "if you have a union, than you most likely did something to deserve it". The existence of a union is a symptom of a bigger problem, not the cause of the problem. If you can't correct the cause, you can't get rid of the union.
@henleythecatSteve Melanga of the Manhattan Institute complains that politicians get union political support by granting government workers generous pensions and health benefits.After those politicians leave office,taxpayers are liable for trillions in unfunded promises. See the LA Times article "The $500 billion pension time bomb" to understand what happens when there's an unholy alliance between politicians and unions to rip off taxpayers. States and cities throughout the US r bankrupt because
@megagagnon1 You may be correct in your anti-union rant with regards to the public pension system. But that does not mean that the solution to the education issues in the country can all be solved by getting rid of the unions.
Seeing as how the union supports bad teachers and the present bad system of education, why id busting the union bad. What is it that the union is supposed to be doing that makes it worth defending now.
But you are insulting my ability to judge issues based on my reactions to unions. Of course, the information I brought up is common knowledge. The unions supported the company bailouts, while the companies were reluctant to take a government loan. Perhaps I'm biased, this is true. However, what is also true is that I'm a member of the Teamster's union. I'm not approaching the issue from the outside, but from the inside. How about you?
@AdamaGeist With regard to unions, I have never been a member of one. Most of the people (except one) had negative opinions of unions. I just think that the solution to the education problem is not going to come from a ideology.
Try going to Ted . Com, and search in vid's related to education. Lots of ideas out there from people who have researched the issues. It is that type of research that I think the solutions will come from. Not a simplistic voucher and anti-union and done approach.
I have been. Both teamsters and my local grocers union. I approach things from a different perspective than yours. However, to reiterate... The issue is not so much with the unions as an automatic 'bad guy' in this argument, but rather as an obstruction to change. I'd ask, while I watch a video by... Ken Robinson, it says? on the website you directed me to, would you do me the honor of looking up the 'Rubber Rooms' for teachers? And the union reactions to private school vouchers.
@AdamaGeist OK, I will look at the vid a little later.
I understand the reluctance to change. My approach is to not to ask "can we", but to ask "tell me why we can't". If the teachers unions can't defend their reason to saying no, then that is when you have to work around them. I believe that teaching needs to move toward being a profession vs. the production line approach.
And if the cause was something decades ago, and the union holds enough political power now to force the government to support it's continued existence? Like how UAW got the government to bail out the failing auto companies, so that they wouldn't have to go into bankruptcy and break the union contracts?
The union is still a parasite, but now it owns the company too. All because they have the power to push political pressure to support them.
@AdamaGeist I don't know enough about the history of the teachers union to comment if the cause that resulted in the creation of the union has been resolved.
I am neutral with regard to unions in general. This vid is not about the unions, but about a different approach to education that I think is worth considering.
You want to blame the unions on everything, go ahead. I don't buy that argument.
Except that you're defending the union in this situation, arguing that it needs to be supported and maintained. I'm not saying that you're unconsciously biased, but I am pointing out the simple truth: Your argument is 'I don't know why the unions and the system exists, but I believe it should be maintained simply because it exists as it is at present.'
The reason the union is commonly brought into this issue is because the union opposes non-government schools.
@AdamaGeist No, I am not defending the unions in this situation. I just think that the problem is far more complex, and the solutions may or may not involve the unions.
My grandparents were teachers, and they originally unionized for more money, but I could see unionization over tenure as well (Think about the Scopes monkey trial).
Does it disturb anyone else that every member of this so-called family has wildly different accents? Makes you wonder where BB farmed out the chips to be raised; and by whom. This guy was definately not raised in the same environment as Dub-ya.
I dont beleive Jeb Bush on his initiative. His brother George W Bush also introduced "No Child Left Behind".
There is a sinister plot to change (to the worst) the educational system of the US and to dumb the children of the future. Remove politics and politicians from our childrens education.
Lets model our Educational system, that of successful countrys like China, Finland, South Korea, Singapore $ Finland, which teach critical thinking, NOT memorization.
@diazmilton might want to take china off of that list if you want to teach critical thinking and not memorization, i dont know much about any of the other systems named, but china does not fit what your end goal is
@diazmilton how can you "think critically" if you have no knowledge. Don't you need the knowledge first in order to "critically think" about it?
And we have a whole generation of kids who learned "New Math" - they didn't have to memorize their math tables & were taught how to use a calculator. They are now adults who have to count on their fingers to add 8+3. We have an entire generation of undereducated people who can't separate fact from opinion.
Although I try to treat everyone without ad-hominem bias, it's very hard to do this for Jeb Bush. In his case I hold less interest in the words he speaks than the actions he does (and has done.)
It's good he's saying the right things in this interview, based on previous actions though, I still cannot consider him any sort of quality source to listen to.
I love this idea, I would further the scope and allow parents to view the lessons as well so they know exactly where their kids are on the subject so they can be better prepared to help their kids when they need it.
They will do everything possible to put him in office as president, there are only two ruling families in the USA, don't think the Bush's or Clinton's have gone away. They're just getting started! Mark my words!
@87solarsky There is no need of a "SURVIVAL FOR THE FITTEST TEACHERS" just allow schools to fire any and all incompetent teachers. Like any job the fear of being fire will make people at least half ass it, which would be a huge improvement for the current situations where incompetent teachers can't be fired and so they don't do anything but show up.
Wonderful. Reason is now interested in propping up government schools. If you give your children to Caesar to be educated don't be surprised when the come home Romans.
You can't be the best in the world without competition. Government run schools ensure that the education system will be expensive and uncompetitive. Profit is the best motivator for quality in products and/or services, including education.
Digital learning = Dumbing down the students with calculators so they can't add or subtract, typing so they can't write by hand, and an easier way to re-write electronic books so that the Statists can re-write history to better champion MORE state.
@macornelius Name calling proves a lack of intelligence and the inability to properly communicate. It also demonstrates a Juvenile mind. (need I say more?)
@yakyakyak69 I see: both ironic and stupid. My point was that your entire comment was a red herring. I don't know how long it's been since you've dealt with school-age children, but they _do_ learn to add and subtract without calculators. If you want high schools that cannot offer calculus, get rid of calculators in high school classrooms. Until then, STFU.
“Digital learning” (by which I think you meant digital teaching) adds to what people learn; it does not replace anything. Also, ad hominem.
school vouchers... free taxpayer money for catholic schools. Another way for THE ROMAN CATHOLIC EMPIRE to get you and me to pay for arrogant rats who are better and more elite than our own sons and daughters.
this guy is knights of columbus...too dumb to realize that they can steal more money with one .45 than with all their phony swords and chicken feathers combined... No need to steal the ammunition.. the weapon (empty) would suffice.
dirtbagcatholics 1 week ago
Be very afraid of the Bush Family !!
This is actually about privatizing education. It means using tax dollars to fund private education companies, i.e. chartered schools and other fop-profit, wall street controled companies. It is cloaked as school choice and dressed up...but it is about redistributing wealth. You can be assured that privatization causes money to flow up-hill to the elites who create these schools, lobby for these schools, and sit on corporate boards for these companies.
somersetdc 3 months ago
salman khan!
mistax2k 10 months ago
Is this man really related to George W. Bush? Such polarity. Well, I'm now a fan of him.
Jotto999 11 months ago
Hybrid Education -- supported or owned by WHO? Is anyone else in the BUSH family involved in this Education process? The BUSHES do nothing that is NOT planned for a REASON folks - making money & supporting THEIR FAMILY. Barbara's Katrina donation was to the school system, ...interesting that her one son had the program and the other son was in the White House. So instead of PARENTs standing up for their KIDS education, homework, skill set, critical thinking... its the government SLAVE-TEACH.
CORPARANOID 1 year ago
I just became a Jeb Bush fan
billdakelski 1 year ago
Reminds me of Chertof pushing those scanners.
anon2999 1 year ago
What a crock...Jeb is tossing out phrases without knowing what it means...
I am sick of lazy people looking for an excuse turning to technology that they don't understand and saying "Well, that's the solution"...
What a crock...
englanddg 1 year ago 5
@englanddg I honestly don't think you know what your talking about.
bigbobby17 9 months ago
@englanddg I honestly don't think you know what your talking about. Please explain........
bigbobby17 9 months ago
@bigbobby17 - Yeah, sorry, a few jack and cokes doesn't make for the most articulate post on my part...
It's a personal beef of mine, so I ranted a bit...It annoys me when the discussion turns to technology, rather then addressing results. Technology is great, but proposing there might some day be some "perfect educational technology" is not an excuse for poor performance. However, it is often it is used as such by politicians who want to secure funding, and academic apologists.
englanddg 8 months ago
In a nutshell: Allow a free market for education services to form, and a variety of charities, non-profits, for-profits, and other groups will compete, implementing what works or ceasing to be. The real conversation is not about what works. That may be pretty clear, or there could be real innovations out there. The real issue is actually giving people the incentive to implement what works and pursue innovation. Institutional Reform is what really matters! I don't hear that.
Wormtail81 1 year ago 2
Bush 1 fool me once. Bush 2 fool me twice. Bush 3? I'm no fool.
jsebastianfilms 1 year ago
@jsebastianfilms "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again"
Hahahahahah!
Feseantphucker 1 year ago
@jsebastianfilms Jeb is the black sheep in the family.... in a good way.
silentcmh 1 year ago
@jsebastianfilms That's something I did not know. I did'nt know that the fact that you are related to someone makes you the same as that person. Are you your brother? Are you your father? If you believe that then you are a fool. Jeb Bush actually has a decent record. Look it up. When he became Governor of Florida,Florida ranked dead last in educational achievement,but,after 8 years of Bush led reforms,Florida was near the top. I think that the wrong Bush made it to the White House.
sleedolfine15 1 year ago
UNICEF released a report on education systems around the world. In the report, Innocenti Report Card no.7, the reasons for poor academic performance were analyzed. Surprisingly, money is NOT the answer, parents and students were the cause of poor education. In higher performing countries, students go home and do homework everyday. In America, students go home and "just chill". We import engineers because we can not graduate enough on our own, but we have millions of social workers. Sad, just sad
prek2phd 1 year ago
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ArtStone 1 year ago
There was education before the Department of Education...
goodatbasebal 1 year ago
All the Jeb Bush hating is almost like a weird reverse ad hominem. Like... we generally agree with him on this idea, but people are focusing on discrediting him and not addressing his points, even though they're valid and actually quite interesting. He's probably one of the more well researched pro school choice types.
How 'bout this: Jeb Bush is a douche, but douches can be right.
AshillaBeige 1 year ago
Fuck this bastard, he helped his brother harm the world for 4 more years.
That's the "Libertarian" friends?... disguting.
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
khanacademydotorg
srayFZ1 1 year ago
if you want to fix education, among other things you have to take away all the priviliges the teachers' unions have.
goPistons06 1 year ago 2
I wish we had a constitutional amendment making national government involvement in education illegal. I'm certainly pro-education but the national government involvement of any kind has to go.
kmg501 1 year ago
"robust" = overused
slikkwon 1 year ago
I find it funny when I hear 'Republicans' who talk about 'small government' but they seem to be hell bent on intervening when people want to die with dignity. Oh yes, freedom in every other aspect except in your own life and the relationships that you would like to develop with others of consenting age. Do us all a favour and take a high dive into a shallow rock pool you hypocritical cunt Jeb.
kawaiigardiner 1 year ago
Jeb Bush for Secretary of Education - preferably King of Education, 6 year term limit, absolute powers.
FogartyFOTO 1 year ago
European education is better than American education because freedom of choice and competition exists, even while being government-run. The US could easily take it a step further by removing the government completely and wind up having the best education in the world . . . if it weren't for the liberals, and the unions . . .
5jv7 1 year ago
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fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@fitobcnfito All public schools are government-run. That's why they're called public schools. The main difference between public schools in America and public schools in Europe is that European schools employ competition, which cannot exist where freedom of choice has been removed via government control (like in the United States). Another important difference is that if a school in Europe is performing poorly, the government closes it. In America, all we do is give them more money.
5jv7 1 year ago
@5jv7 It's actually a bit more complicated, since we have public, private, and 1/2.
1) We dont close any school, ever, is not a matter of preformance, is a matter of number of kids in the are who need schooling.
2) In some countries as mine (Spain), you should also consider Jesuits (religious schools, that is the traditional schooling: those are the ones that are half public and half private at the same time).
You have competition Private/Public/Religious/Intenartional
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@fitobcnfito If people have freedom of choice, they're going to choose the schools that perform the best, so the ones that perform the worst won't have enough people and close. So performance indirectly affects which schools stay open. Naturally the laws vary by country, and even by areas within certain countries. But however limited the competition is, it's still better than the complete lack of competition happening throughout most of America.
5jv7 1 year ago
@5jv7 that competition concept we do implement it when College, not in High Schools at all (you have to go to your district) but once you reach college, I'm from Barcelona-Spain, but I can go study for aprox the same price, to my city college, any city within Spain, or Paris, London or wherever inside the European Community (we actually have a 1 year program, by the European community, that incentivizes you to study abroad: ERASMUS).
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@fitobcnfito Looking just at both Spanish and American test scores, your do objections seem realistic, as Spain places behind the US in every PISA category. I'm not positive about the intricacies of all systems within all European countries, and only assert that Europe in general is more competitive than the US, and that this is the main reason for the [in general] better public education found in Europe.
5jv7 1 year ago
@5jv7 The only way to trick that competition limitation in Spain, and get around it, is by attending religious schools by the Jesuits (they have 1000s, church is the historic knowledge and schooling center, in countries as mine), but then you have to accept the indoctrination of your child in the Dogma by the catholic church... sometimes is worth so, since never the less, we are all Spaniards raised in catholic values anyway. If religious (state pays for ½ the school fee).
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@5jv7 Is not the "same price", as college price is not the sam in every country, but if I go to college in Paris, I would pay aprox the same price as a local Paris citizen.
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
@fitobcnfito It's a different case for universities. American universities are privatized as well, are very competitive, and rank as best in the world.
5jv7 1 year ago
@5jv7 You're exactly right. Competition is going to be the main way to improve education.
CubsFan2006 1 year ago
@5jv7 European schools employ competition, by freedom of choice... O.o!
No Sr, we can not choose the public school were our kids go to, it depends on your zip code area: you can only choose if you go to private or religious.
fitobcnfito 1 year ago
I never thought I would say this... but I just found a some respect for a Bush.
theoriginalanomaly 1 year ago
the education problem has nothing to do with the schools its all about the parents.When will people wake upand realixe most parents are dumber then their kids and the kids are idiots
trexx32 1 year ago
Reason goes dumb ass ! The most important thing Libertarians are fighting for is to extricate education from government control. Gov't control is the primary reason that the country has gone in the direction that it has. I personally know of two efforts to create online open schooling for all, at a cost of dollars a course, and Reason is putting forward the statist agenda for education. When gov't does online education, it will outlaw the online systems & make home schoolers use their crap.
EdgeMugga 1 year ago 2
I will take Jeb Bush over Obama any day of the week.
saper321 1 year ago
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Muhammadisatroll 1 year ago
How did Jeb and W come from the same parents?
sparsematrix 1 year ago 20
@sparsematrix They are brothers.
ed1642 1 year ago
@ed1642 kthx
sparsematrix 1 year ago
@sparsematrix I think Jeb spends more time on the internets than W.
serfdomthwart 1 year ago
@sparsematrix Yes
Wormtail81 1 year ago
@sparsematrix If the national libtard-commie-progtard media had spent 6-7 years trashing Jeb every day, you'd hate him too. Morons leading sheeple...this is what America has become.
Aeronomer 1 year ago
@Aeronomer> libtard-commie-progtard media < What? The sheep of the world are told what to think, feel, know, and puke up... by those who establish "mandatory sacred cows" This Jeb Bush found the biggest sacred cow...THE ROMAN CATHOLIC EMPIRE.. and leached on.
dirtbagcatholics 1 week ago
Disrupting the education monopoly !! I like the idea. With digital classrooms as a tool, schools could teach better with less personel ( and lower taxes )
averagejoe040 1 year ago
"makes no sense he left supporting an unsustainable system"... really? Please wake up and ask yourself what unsustainable system does the left not support? Everything they support is unsustainable! EVERYTHING!!!
dickiepipes 1 year ago
WHY WOULD REASON TV GIVE THIS SCUM SUCKER THE TIME OF DAY?
RevolutionNewsDotUS 1 year ago
@RevolutionNewsDotUS
Did you listen to him before you had your reaction to his video?
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
You can already get a world-class education online. You just have to know what you're looking for, its not very well organized.
triforcelink 1 year ago
He divided 7,000 by 6 and got 1,300. Folks, we have a problem with our educational system.
MooseOfReason 1 year ago
I never have seen ReasonTV ever interview Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Tom Woods, or Lew Rockwell and they air people like Bush? I've finally had it with ReasonTV. unsubscribed
residentzombie 1 year ago
Good for Jeb. At least he sees the writing on the wall. Books are old technology. Writing is old technology. I haven't picked up a pen in months. School rooms are ancient history. The future is in electronic learning customized to each student's capabilities. All forms of schooling will be and should be dramatically overhauled to utilize technological trends. The result is lower cost and higher quality. I'm behind you on this one Jeb.
tantrikwizard 1 year ago
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timlebsack 1 year ago
I hate agreeing with Neocons
usintelreport 1 year ago
@usintelreport how open minded and tolerant of you.
ramrants 1 year ago
@ramrants
lol
yeah but we can put our other differences aside on this particular issue
usintelreport 1 year ago
@usintelreport Just remember in life, noone is ever 100% correct on everythig and noone is ever 100% wrong on everything. That being said the entire Bush family is as corrupt as they come.
residentzombie 1 year ago
If you want to fix education first get the federal government out of it - there is no Constitutional authority for the Dept. of Ed. Secondly, get the socialists out. Public education has been co-opted by socialists for well over century now. I don't hear Jeb Bush talking about that.
Chad9976 1 year ago 33
@Chad9976 just let them fight for customers... and they will be done ;-)
Socialists are great in spending other people's money... they are worst in earning their own.
grraadd 1 year ago
There idea of computerized learning is a good one, interactive lessons, instant grading, lectures from the best teachers in the world on any given subject. It would allow more students per teacher as the teacher would have less to do and would be spending most of their time on one-on-one with students. That being said, I don't see it happening any time soon.
Loathomar 1 year ago
"You divide 7000 by 6 and get 1300 or something like that."
Jeb Bush, improving education since nineteen hundred ninety-twelve.
ExternalServerError 1 year ago
How dare you promote a real educational system; how do you expect the Democrat Party to survive such a population of educated people? Where will the Republican Party get their solders to fight their wars? Are you nuts? :-))
MsWanderer1 1 year ago
@MsWanderer1 Education does a very poor job of say what party people will belong to. But it does seem like niether party wants any real change in the system.
Loathomar 1 year ago
@Loathomar No worries, sooner or later the government will get control of the internet too and screw it up by telling us what can be taught on it!
MsWanderer1 1 year ago
The only good bush is between a woman's legs!
hesh2 1 year ago
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Fuck that piece of shit!
usergently 1 year ago
Sorry, the Bush family has had their chance to fuck America over.
oyate1960 1 year ago
I'm no Republican, but Jeb would have been a much better President than his brother from a Libertarian perspective.
freesk8 1 year ago
@freesk8 He would be hard pressed to do worse.
Loathomar 1 year ago
They need to make the education system so that our children are able to actually think for themselves instead of being shuffled into the status quo.
garydupuis 1 year ago
I don't understand all the negative comments. Of the Bushes, Jeb really hasn't done that much harm. He's been a proponent of vouchers and charter schools for some time now so I doubt it's an act. As a libertarian, I wouldn't want my views judged in light of my parent's views. Would any of you want that? Certainly Jeb is no libertarian, but school choice is a libertarian idea. At least criticize him for something he's done himself, like the Terri Schiavo law.
Thorbie 1 year ago 46
@Thorbie He is also responsible for the FCAT, which for better or worse causes teachers here in FL to teach to the test and not for real world survival.
preparedUncertainty 1 year ago
@preparedUncertainty
The teachers teach only what's necessary to pass the test? Definitely the governor's fault. Or the president! Can't be just that the teachers want only to cover their asses against the rising demand for quality teaching and country-wide standards.
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@Thorbie I think there is so much hate for "W' that Jeb is just guilty by association. It is not fair, but understandable.
Loathomar 1 year ago
@Thorbie I agree. Jeb is the smart Bush. He'd never be president because he doesn't like to be told what to do!
truvelocity 1 year ago
@Thorbie
Yes but Charter schools destroy private schools. Lew rockwell. Look it up!
BanjonotBenjo 1 year ago
@BanjonotBenjo Charter Schools bring COMPETITION!
If this competition destroys gov't schools, GOOD because our children are the winners with a better education!
Hello... competition GOOD! Gov't union teacher monopoly BAD!
yakyakyak69 1 year ago 2
@Thorbie Why don't we trust Jeb Bush?
Something about the apples not falling far from the tree.
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
Sooo.....if this idea is such a good idea, we should see examples of it being successfully used in other countries. Whats that? China and Finland are at the top? Figures.
Violent2aShadow 1 year ago
I don't know much about the Bush family history but what he says in this video makes a lot of sense.
mangoswiss 1 year ago
Another liar just like his brother, disgusting that he is talking about monopolies. He's a hypocrite.
agitcam 1 year ago
@agitcam
What's his lie?
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@AdamaGeist His whole family.
agitcam 1 year ago
@agitcam His family is a lie? Like the cake?
Man, you're bad at this.
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@agitcam So do you have any comments on the idea he was talking about or did the chant "Bush Equals Evil" that runs through your head block out everything he said?
oTANSTAAFLo 1 year ago
Reason.tv is ran by a bunch of fakes!
depro9 1 year ago
@depro9 run?
mangoswiss 1 year ago
@mangoswiss you win the troll bait taken award. GOOD JOB!
depro9 1 year ago
I wonder how Jeb is benefiting from this. He was a scrub governor of FL and gave tons of money to schools. He is full of shit.
Mauhadeeb28 1 year ago
Education for profit; healthcare for profit; military for profit. Some things should be protected from other people's greed.
redchango 1 year ago
@redchango So you are saying people are greedy, and that we should give such greedy people a monopoly on the provision of certain services?
hydralisk125 1 year ago
@hydralisk125 - I guess I wrote my comment weird. I'm saying that education, healthcare, insurance, etc. shouldn't be run by private corporations. They should be run by agencies that are accountable to the public.
redchango 1 year ago
@redchango
You mean, like a company?
Because right now, I can tell you this much. School boards are NOT accountable to the public. A company screws up with your kid, you can sue them. Your school board does something stupid? See how far they'll go to dodge accountability.
A bad teacher? In a private school, they get fired. A public school teacher? Gets to go sit in a special building and kill time every day for the rest of their year, or tenure.
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@AdamaGeist - That's a lot of exaggerated nonsense. School boards are accountable to the public. They're VOTED on to the board by residents through elections. And bad teachers are fired all the time. Tenure is a good idea for colleges. But there's a good conversation to have about having tenured K-12 teachers. Quit the privatization fetish (the "everything must be private" mantra), stop making up b.s., and let's just be reasonable about this and discuss this like adults.
redchango 1 year ago
@redchango Sir, I just ask this. Go look up some data on this subject. Please, do. Look up details about school board elections. Look up arguments about teacher terminations. Look up the so called 'Rubber Rooms'. And by all means, look up the public union reactions to the idea of students going on-mass to private schools.
I'm not going to tell you things. I'm simply asking you to research my side of the argument for a moment before you make your next reply. That way we might have a conversation
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@redchango
Profit, in a competitive market, provides the incentive to do well at something. Loss is the incentive not to do poorly.
Greed is not necessarily bad, as long as there are rules to make people play fairly. The question is, how do greedy people get money? The answer, by doing something else someone is willing to pay them for. Competition drives down costs while increasing quality.
xp19375 1 year ago
@xp19375 - I understand that. And that's a good point. Public schools (or any public service) should be in competition with the private sector.
redchango 1 year ago
Reason.Tv....why would you even dare speak to any member of this vile, Nazi supporting (Union Banking Corp) disgrace of a family? The Bush name has been attached to so much death and genocide, not to mention Neil Bush swindling $1.3 billion from the American public in the Silverado Savings & Loan scandal. This video now gives me doubts about your sincerity in the Libertarian ideology, considering you would interview a Bush before you would a man like Stephan Molyneux. Just disgraceful
Kemruss 1 year ago
I have seen some outstanding on-line course material on math and science that I believe can be used in the traditional classroom. While I would not consider it a complete solution, I think Jeb is right... A liberal (like myself) can get behind this idea.
henleythecat 1 year ago
@henleythecat Do you think Jeb actually cares about education? What is he getting out of it?
jkmatt1 1 year ago
@jkmatt1 "...Jeb actually cares about education? "
Not sure. My initial reaction was that it didn't sound like a Bush. I can tell he was being very careful on how far he wanted to take the proposal and "seeing cracks in the current system" is far more positive then some of the GOP "it's all the unions fault" kind of language.
henleythecat 1 year ago
@henleythecat It's the unions fault. Public sector unions shouldn't even be allowed to exist. They're a conflict of interest.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@megagagnon1 "It's the unions fault."
That is a typical response from the right. Can you think past that knee-jerk reaction?
I remember a consultant that was a professional crises negotiator that told me "if you have a union, than you most likely did something to deserve it". The existence of a union is a symptom of a bigger problem, not the cause of the problem. If you can't correct the cause, you can't get rid of the union.
henleythecat 1 year ago
@henleythecatSteve Melanga of the Manhattan Institute complains that politicians get union political support by granting government workers generous pensions and health benefits.After those politicians leave office,taxpayers are liable for trillions in unfunded promises. See the LA Times article "The $500 billion pension time bomb" to understand what happens when there's an unholy alliance between politicians and unions to rip off taxpayers. States and cities throughout the US r bankrupt because
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@megagagnon1 You may be correct in your anti-union rant with regards to the public pension system. But that does not mean that the solution to the education issues in the country can all be solved by getting rid of the unions.
henleythecat 1 year ago
@henleythecat I believe in competition and choice. Close the public schools and hand out vouchers. Union no more. Pest control.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@henleythecat Okay. Here's the posit to you.
Why not?
Seeing as how the union supports bad teachers and the present bad system of education, why id busting the union bad. What is it that the union is supposed to be doing that makes it worth defending now.
Defend your argument.
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@AdamaGeist Did you forget to take your meds?
I am not defending unions. However, I don't believe is blaming every problem on the unions either.
henleythecat 1 year ago
@henleythecat
But you are insulting my ability to judge issues based on my reactions to unions. Of course, the information I brought up is common knowledge. The unions supported the company bailouts, while the companies were reluctant to take a government loan. Perhaps I'm biased, this is true. However, what is also true is that I'm a member of the Teamster's union. I'm not approaching the issue from the outside, but from the inside. How about you?
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@AdamaGeist With regard to unions, I have never been a member of one. Most of the people (except one) had negative opinions of unions. I just think that the solution to the education problem is not going to come from a ideology.
Try going to Ted . Com, and search in vid's related to education. Lots of ideas out there from people who have researched the issues. It is that type of research that I think the solutions will come from. Not a simplistic voucher and anti-union and done approach.
henleythecat 1 year ago
@henleythecat
I have been. Both teamsters and my local grocers union. I approach things from a different perspective than yours. However, to reiterate... The issue is not so much with the unions as an automatic 'bad guy' in this argument, but rather as an obstruction to change. I'd ask, while I watch a video by... Ken Robinson, it says? on the website you directed me to, would you do me the honor of looking up the 'Rubber Rooms' for teachers? And the union reactions to private school vouchers.
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@AdamaGeist OK, I will look at the vid a little later.
I understand the reluctance to change. My approach is to not to ask "can we", but to ask "tell me why we can't". If the teachers unions can't defend their reason to saying no, then that is when you have to work around them. I believe that teaching needs to move toward being a profession vs. the production line approach.
Gota run... Thanks.
henleythecat 1 year ago
@henleythecat
And if the cause was something decades ago, and the union holds enough political power now to force the government to support it's continued existence? Like how UAW got the government to bail out the failing auto companies, so that they wouldn't have to go into bankruptcy and break the union contracts?
The union is still a parasite, but now it owns the company too. All because they have the power to push political pressure to support them.
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@AdamaGeist I don't know enough about the history of the teachers union to comment if the cause that resulted in the creation of the union has been resolved.
I am neutral with regard to unions in general. This vid is not about the unions, but about a different approach to education that I think is worth considering.
You want to blame the unions on everything, go ahead. I don't buy that argument.
henleythecat 1 year ago
@henleythecat
Except that you're defending the union in this situation, arguing that it needs to be supported and maintained. I'm not saying that you're unconsciously biased, but I am pointing out the simple truth: Your argument is 'I don't know why the unions and the system exists, but I believe it should be maintained simply because it exists as it is at present.'
The reason the union is commonly brought into this issue is because the union opposes non-government schools.
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@AdamaGeist No, I am not defending the unions in this situation. I just think that the problem is far more complex, and the solutions may or may not involve the unions.
henleythecat 1 year ago
@henleythecat
My grandparents were teachers, and they originally unionized for more money, but I could see unionization over tenure as well (Think about the Scopes monkey trial).
xp19375 1 year ago
@henleythecat
It's not all the unions' fault, but they haven't helped much either, and they do increase labor costs.
xp19375 1 year ago
Does it disturb anyone else that every member of this so-called family has wildly different accents? Makes you wonder where BB farmed out the chips to be raised; and by whom. This guy was definately not raised in the same environment as Dub-ya.
FriedDaisy 1 year ago
What crap! You should look into what ties the Bush family has into McGraw Hill. Jeb was merely putting on a sales presentation here, nothing more!
networkingman 1 year ago
Jeus Christ! Jeb looks like a younger, obese bank-clerk version of his brother!
ExternalServerError 1 year ago
If anyone still believes what a guy name Bush has to say... I just pity you.
johnycannuk 1 year ago
@johnycannuk So it's all a matter of who his brother and father is? Foolish.
yojimbo81 1 year ago
I dont beleive Jeb Bush on his initiative. His brother George W Bush also introduced "No Child Left Behind".
There is a sinister plot to change (to the worst) the educational system of the US and to dumb the children of the future. Remove politics and politicians from our childrens education.
Lets model our Educational system, that of successful countrys like China, Finland, South Korea, Singapore $ Finland, which teach critical thinking, NOT memorization.
diazmilton 1 year ago
@diazmilton might want to take china off of that list if you want to teach critical thinking and not memorization, i dont know much about any of the other systems named, but china does not fit what your end goal is
surrealnumber 1 year ago
@diazmilton On one hand, you're right. We need to teach thought and learning, not facts and data.
On the other hand, how much worse can we get?
AdamaGeist 1 year ago
@diazmilton how can you "think critically" if you have no knowledge. Don't you need the knowledge first in order to "critically think" about it?
And we have a whole generation of kids who learned "New Math" - they didn't have to memorize their math tables & were taught how to use a calculator. They are now adults who have to count on their fingers to add 8+3. We have an entire generation of undereducated people who can't separate fact from opinion.
ramrants 1 year ago 2
Although I try to treat everyone without ad-hominem bias, it's very hard to do this for Jeb Bush. In his case I hold less interest in the words he speaks than the actions he does (and has done.)
It's good he's saying the right things in this interview, based on previous actions though, I still cannot consider him any sort of quality source to listen to.
sirellyn 1 year ago
Wow, a Bush that isn't a complete asshole.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
I love this idea, I would further the scope and allow parents to view the lessons as well so they know exactly where their kids are on the subject so they can be better prepared to help their kids when they need it.
Leavon 1 year ago
They will do everything possible to put him in office as president, there are only two ruling families in the USA, don't think the Bush's or Clinton's have gone away. They're just getting started! Mark my words!
SaM52461 1 year ago
IPO DIGITAL LEARNING, HEY?
87solarsky 1 year ago
SURVIVAL FOR THE "FITTEST" TEACHERS....
87solarsky 1 year ago
@87solarsky There is no need of a "SURVIVAL FOR THE FITTEST TEACHERS" just allow schools to fire any and all incompetent teachers. Like any job the fear of being fire will make people at least half ass it, which would be a huge improvement for the current situations where incompetent teachers can't be fired and so they don't do anything but show up.
Loathomar 1 year ago 2
never followed Jeb much, but I have to admit he came off fairly well in this video. certainly not a buffoon.
LeGioNoFZioN 1 year ago
@LeGioNoFZioN IPO DIGITAL LEARNING, HEY?
87solarsky 1 year ago
Jeb certainly comes off as the smarter of the Bush boys.
Nexus974 1 year ago
People are pretty petty for hating on this video just because its a Bush talking. Listen to the words coming out of his mouth.
nightpotato 1 year ago
@nightpotato
That is par for the course from those who profess to have the most open minds.
elsquibbs 1 year ago
When gov't forces outcomes, there IS NO "CHOICE".
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
Why waste time and video on this Statist butt hole?
yinzjagoffs 1 year ago
Trusting lives of children to the Bush family....
jag10 1 year ago
Ron Paul for president. Screw the neocons that work for the nwo.
MutantKush 1 year ago
Wonderful. Reason is now interested in propping up government schools. If you give your children to Caesar to be educated don't be surprised when the come home Romans.
carcabe 1 year ago
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87solarsky 1 year ago
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87solarsky 1 year ago
Why not fix and properly finance the public school system(s)?
Make ours the BEST in the world!
I smell a money rat with Mr Bush on this one.
Who profits and why should they?
TalladegaTom 1 year ago
@TalladegaTom
You can't be the best in the world without competition. Government run schools ensure that the education system will be expensive and uncompetitive. Profit is the best motivator for quality in products and/or services, including education.
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87solarsky 1 year ago
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87solarsky 1 year ago
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87solarsky 1 year ago
We've already heard the Bushit - enough of the Bushes
davidpark68 1 year ago
Digital learning = Dumbing down the students with calculators so they can't add or subtract, typing so they can't write by hand, and an easier way to re-write electronic books so that the Statists can re-write history to better champion MORE state.
Hello... RED HERRING!
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 Are you being ironic or stupid?
macornelius 1 year ago
@macornelius Name calling proves a lack of intelligence and the inability to properly communicate. It also demonstrates a Juvenile mind. (need I say more?)
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 I see: both ironic and stupid. My point was that your entire comment was a red herring. I don't know how long it's been since you've dealt with school-age children, but they _do_ learn to add and subtract without calculators. If you want high schools that cannot offer calculus, get rid of calculators in high school classrooms. Until then, STFU.
“Digital learning” (by which I think you meant digital teaching) adds to what people learn; it does not replace anything. Also, ad hominem.
macornelius 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 wow, left much?
ASeventhSign 1 year ago
@ASeventhSign said:
"Left much?"
Answer: No, Libertarian a LOT!
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
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87solarsky 1 year ago
@yakyakyak69 y is writing by hand important?
kainniak1 1 year ago