Melissa Harris Lacewell and Gloria Steinem debate part2

[FritzOmnibus]

Look out "first wave feminist" You deserve a bronze representation in the park but get out of Melissa's way.

[MrTripLBee]

Steinem claims that Obama's victory is inevitable because it "upholds the historical pattern." Is she kidding? There's a historical precedent for a black man with a Muslim name winning the White House? She is clearly blinded by her disappointment over the realization that someone like her----a privileged, educated, wealthy white woman---will not be elected to the White House this go around.

[MrTripLBee]

Harris Lacewell in a TKO.

[poopenstien1]

Melissa Harris-Perry - super intelligent and smolderingly beautiful. Quite a combination.

[MrNitwin]

Hmm, if they had blocked past presidents, with "parental or familial" connections from entering the White House, there would have been no FDR.

But then again, these folks don't read history, they just rewrite it.

[MrTripLBee]

@MrNitwin Theodore was a very distant relative who had no relationship with FDR. In fact, he was a closer relative to FDR's wife than to FDR himself. He actually escorted Eleanor down the aisle at her wedding.

[cyberdyva]

Steinem stumped!



[Hypestyle]

props due to Melissa Harris-Perry..



[Geezyone]

Melissa calling Steinem out on her hypocrisy and historical distortions and lies is what made me such a fan of Melissa in the first place. She is very courageous and brilliant.

[celticqueen0206]

I think MHL was rather disrespctful and slightly juvinile in her argument. She had no other basis as to why Obama would be the better choice, her grandstanding that was offended is tiresome. GS has fought long and hard to open doors for all of us. let us not be dismissive of that. There was no need to sound so outraged. Are we as women always going to have to choose between our gender and our ethnicity?

[bluegsp]

So she would pass on a candidate with vast experience for the least experienced candidate in history, only because he is black. Is this suppose to pass as intellectual discourse? Babbling idiots more like it.

[treehuggerdude4]

white patriarchy and white supremacy arent cool to me, as a queer feminist of color, but to alot of 2nd wave feminists are totally down with it. The scary thing is that they want to end discrimination based on gender but are totally down for discriminating others based on class and ethnicity. Thats why i love Melissa Lacewell Harris in this clip. She totally gets that and calls Steinam out on it.

[theoneandonlyCatseye]

The semantic argument over the article aside, I have respect for both of these women and hope they both learned something from having this debate with one another. Both women made some very true observations and good points, but this line of discussion quickly became tiresome as it inevitably devolved into trying to one up the other person.

[2FYNFOYA]

MHL SPOKE THE TRUTH THAT IS SELDON STATED. SHE ADDRESSES THE ISSUES CALMLY, CLEARLY AND ARTICULATELY. SHE REPRESENTS US SO WELL.

[NelsonClick]

I hear you loud and clear MHL but I think you need to stop being "offended". The time it takes to express outrage is time taken away from expressing a useful idea.

[treehuggerdude4]

@NelsonClick i think the fact that she is defining and resisting 2nd wave feminism is super useful cause it lets people understand that feminism has different forms and that there can be "feminists" who are totally cool with white patriarchy and there are other feminists who are down for ending oppression in all its forms. That pretty useful in my opinion

[NelsonClick]

@treehuggerdude4 Thank you for your response. My comment was made in response to her rookie intellectual style. I wasn't referring to the content of her statement. I see this a lot among bright young people who feel that in order to stimulate the listener and be taken seriously they have to present an argument with a personal bias. Being "offended" is quick and easy.  I went through this phase as well when I was younger. It's rooted in vanity. Good arguments stand on their own merits.

[bs17]

This video is counter-productive, in my opinion. You have two women competing to see who can win the "victim Olympics" -- blacks or women. How does that further the drive to have women and blacks judged based on their personal qualifications and character, and not their innate qualities? This is a good example of how Women's Studies and African-American Studies departments are only worsening gender and race relations by keeping the dialogue focused on gender and racial divisions

[2FYNFOYA]

@bs17 WE CAN ONLY RESOLVE AN ISSUE BY FIRST UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, WHO THEY EFFECT AND HOW. DO YOU RESOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS BY IGNORING THEM AS YOU SUGGEST OR DISCUSSING THEM AS THEY ARE DOING?

[bs17]

@2FYNFOYA I can't really concentrate on what exactly you're trying to say, as your juvenile usage of all capital letters is really quite distracting.

[ZoraSearch]

@bs17 Okay... If reading a set capitalized letters is that difficult for you, then you have more to worry about than Steinem and Lacewell. How are you functioning?

[bs17]

@ZoraSearch There's a difference between difficult and obnoxious. I really shouldn't have to point that out to anyone over the age of 10.

[ZoraSearch]

@bs17 There are many things one should not have to point out to anyone over the age of 10, a la my previous statement to you... instead of addressing @2FYNFOYA's content, you chose to slight his/her character by infantilizing your supposed opponent because of their "all cap" statements. What is "juvenile", is misdirection in debate... that is what is wrong with American politics... let's do better and have real honest "debate".

[bs17]

@ZoraSearch Blah, blah, blah. I'm not going to debate with someone who doesn't have the courtesy to type properly and in a way that isn't a pain the ass to read. There's really no need to write a self-righteous, long-winded dissertation about my opinion on someone's typing style.

[1WhoSeeks]

What has feminism done for black people?

[asanteosu5]

@1WhoSeeks feminism, specifically womanism has done alot for black ppl. Look it up

[1WhoSeeks]

@asanteosu5 Give ma an example.

[shademegan]

I dont think Lacewell, though she is very intellectual with her arguments, doesn't understand Steinem's points. But I do with agree with Lacewell on some things. During the feminist movement in the 70s the suffrage included mostly middle class white women and black women were, in a sense, left in the shadows. Black, Latin, Asian, etc women, in our society claim the title of double jeopardy because they are women and women of color. There needs to be an equal representation.

[blackPowerStick]

Gloria steinem cant debat 4 shit Melissa Harris Lacewell INTELECTUALLY KILLED HER

why is Mellisa harris becoming or even a black feminist fuck THEM FEMINISTS

[asanteosu5]

@blackPowerStick fuck you! black feminist for life !!

[northernlaugh]

yes women are abused...and women are gaining in many ways, including politics...

yet my studies of femminism, femminists usually look at the corporate man, the man with power and money. there are many men that aren t such...what happens is a reverse stereotype.

show me a woman who understands these and my previous point about money

and there is an intelligent person

[northernlaugh]

my problem with femminism or the development of femminism, is that the implication is equality and i don t see progress in equality. let put it this way, from what i see is that, and in my experience, the man pays...money,in dating. money is vital in a long term relationship with a woman...women dating you always take job status and money as the worth of a man. and men are looked down when expressing emotion or sensitivity.

[professorfoxtrot]

Steinem makes a terrible argument on how women should be paid to assume caregiving positions. If people need a monetary incentive to have children, they shouldn't be raising kids to begin with! Like the parents of Hollywood kids who are born so their parents can cash in. "I think we need to add value to that as well," Steinmen says, as if there wasn't any value attached to raising children on its own! This is how disgracefully selfish feminists are.

[northernlaugh]

wow. it was gloria steinem who made many acheivements of the womens movement and some re in liberalism.

i think lacewell should show some respect. if liberals and femminsts who should be unified can t be in agreement for what their goals are, i mean,- a house divided...i think lacewell needs an ativan, and i m not trying to be condescending.

[NRH117]

Do you mean that Lacewell show know her place, massa. You prove Melissa Harris Lacewell's point. Also, Gloria Steinem seems to have a low level of understaning of other cultures and race.

[qiitxx]

melissa is off point here

[NRH117]

wow! Melissa Harris Lacewell made steinem look like a kindergartener. Steinem had no business debating someone as intellegent as Mellissa Harris.

[Shiftyeyes516]

this is true - she beat Steinem bad in this debate.

[vivascargill]

@nrh you are too kind--check out steinem's pal susan brownmiller's racist monster and what she says TO THIS DAY about Emmett Till check what Mrs Hamer had to say about steinem and her ilk

[topcat42]

@NRH117

wow! This Melissa broad is an imbecile, Steinem made her look like she should be in the kitchen cooking me my meals.

[NRH117]

@topcat42 obviously you are about as intelligent as Steinem, which is barely above a bag of hammers

[topcat42]

@NRH117

Obviously you are as bright as a 6 watt bulb if you think this loon Harrs could debate a fish never mind a human being.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

It is crazy that some WF, believe that, ALL women were suppose to vote for Hilary because she is a women.

You then bash, the white women who voted for Obama as betraying women and then bash the Black women who voted for Obama as, only doing it because he is black (ie..Oprah) and then say they too, betrayed women.

Give me a break, I have a damn mind of my own..

YOU don't know how long it took me to make up my mind about who I wanted to vote for.

Stop making asinine assumptions.

[Devin1488]

I think this 'WF' is just gonna back away slowly and leave you to your devices. Don't worry, I'm not interested in "colonizing" you with ideas about equality among the sexes! ahahah Enjoy all that leaping logic, etc!

[ACTINGDRAMA]

@Devin1488 Here you go again, not listening or reading clearly.

Your snarky comments show that you lack the brain capacity to do that. So it is back that you back away and let the adults talk.

Bye. ha

[Devin1488]

hahah. you're just not making any sense hun. why would anyone listen to some BF who thinks she's entitled to special treatment based on her race?

[ACTINGDRAMA]

@Devin1488

Here we go with the crazy talk.

Where in the world did you get that assumption?

P

[ACTINGDRAMA]

All that article did was, further alienate the black feminists.

I find it laughable when white feminists feel that, black women are suppose to ignore the fact that they are black and their experiences don't mean shit in the women's movement.

This is the same type of shit that happened to sojourner truth.

Some, WF fail to listen. Stop trying to colonize your experience into mine.

Just LISTEN and get what we are saying.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

Her last statement it absolutely right.

White feminist only want to involve black feminist on their own terms, ignoring that black women have more shit to deal with.

[Devin1488]

Out of curiosity, on what terms exactly are white women excluding black women? It seems to me that the only references Lacewell makes are at their most recent, decades old. Its surprising coming from someone who's apparently all about "change" and "turning the page."

[Devin1488]

I also love the hypocrisy of criticizing Hillary's campaign for making her look like Bill's wife. As if Michelle Obama is some sterling image of modern feminism. She looks like Nancy Reagen with biceps. But I guess the "offensive" political tactics of gender, are only offensive when coming from a white woman candidate.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

@Devin1488 What in the hell are you talking about.

You sound like a damn nut.

[Devin1488]

Haha. I think you should stick to reviewing Terminator movies.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

@Devin1488 I think you should stick to keeping your head in the sand.

You obviously cant get and dont want to get what Lacewell is talking about. That type of thinking, will not allow black and white women, to come together in feminism.

[Devin1488]

mhm that's right. i just don't "get" what she's saying.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

@Devin1488 Based on your comments, you don't.

You just see it is as "race baiting", which is code, for sweeping shit under the rug you don't want or care to hear.

[Devin1488]

I like how to Obama people, anything anyone says that doesn't jibe with their point of view is a secret "code" for something else. It must be great having such abilities of perception.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

@Devin1488 What in the hell are you talking about?

so every person that posted something the opposite of what you said is now a kool aid drinking Obama person?

I like how you Hilary people act like any woman who voted against her betrayed women and any black woman who voted against her only did it because she was white and betrayed women.

Get off of it. You sound like a damn tea party member.

"Obama people" -whatever.

[Devin1488]

hahaha. just because those who voted for "Hilary" are pragmatic enough to see Obama is better than McCain or Palin, doesn't mean any of them are going to automatically start buying your horse shit. I strongly recommend you 'get off it,' and do something more productive---like planting a vegetable garden, or doing some arm reps.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

Whatever-

You are proving with your statements to not get a damn thing, the snide comments about my weight are proving that loud and clear.

Nice try though.

[purpleness64]

Dr. Harris Lacewell Preach! Thanks for posting this video!

[vastedda99]

Steinem belongs in an old-age home. She avoided all of Lacewell's arguments, and just repeated old feminist cliches-what does caregiving have to do with Obama?If Hillary the "Feminist" hadn't married Bill, nobody would have heard of her!

[Qrstnce]

I wonder if Melissa Harris Lacewell think Maya Angelou is a racist?

[rleary1]

Steinen is 'passe'. I'm a single DAD that loves his kids and raises them equally but I have to pay around $800.00/month to their Mom simply for the fact that SHE'S THE MOTHER. It's not fair and all of this feminist shit talk is BS.WHY IS IT ALWAYS ABOUT MOMMIES, FREE CHEESE, FREE FOOD,ETC.. Why should we REWARD THIS??

[rleary1]

Don't agree with everything she say's but I'd like to have her lisp on my Cock if you know what i mean.... She is very pretty and I'd like to know how old she is?

Anyone? I'll drive to Georgia to meet her!

[harveysuperboy]

Didn't black women stand with white women and didn't they get fuck over.Some white's kill me with we need to

work together then fuck us over.

[IMBumbaugh]

First, I love Amy Goodman! Second, the hypothetical described in Steinem's offensive article, isn't all that different from Clinton's actual political biography. Steinem set herself up by suggesting that it's harder to be a white woman than it is to be a black man. Such comparisons are pointless and counter productive. Really, I feel somewhat betrayed by Steinem, whom I've grown up respecting.

[Devin1488]

Steinem never said it was harder to be a white woman than a black man. She said GENDER is the MOST RESTRICTING force in American life. Again, there's a phrase for what Lacewell did in this "debate," and its race baiting. If Steinem seemed dumb founded, its because she didn't expect a female professor from Princeton to take such a low road.

[IMBumbaugh]

I said she implied it. And she did.

[Devin1488]

Her article was sociological---not political in the sense of Hillary versus Barack. Barack supporters simply get upset, because if they acknowledge Steinem's point, they on some level have to admit Hillary was the better candidate.

[KatiB88]

Third wave feminism is all about defining feminism for yourself & not subscribing to what other people say is "good for women," but lacewell is still criticizing clinton for behaving in ways she thinks are anti-feminist...

[ACTINGDRAMA]

I completely agree with Lacewell.

If you listen to what she was saying you would get it and not be condescending. It is a truth that you don't want to hear.

Sojourner Truth was just as much a part of the womens suffrage movement as Anthony. But, they left her in the dust.

It is a truth that many don't want to hear.

[maybeilljoincia]

They left a lot of women in the dust when it came to the women's suffrage movement. Anthony is one of the only women you hear about who fought for suffrage.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

@maybeilljoincia I agree.

[Coco8221]

I completely agree with you, she is too wrapped up in what she is going to say next to listen to somebody who has been working far longer than she and undoubtedly can understand the issue a little bit better.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

That is a little condensing.

[CircumradiantDawn]

My god, Lacewell grates on my nerves. She seems to be completely deaf to anything Steinem is saying & refuses to accept that issues are more complex than simply black vs. white. What Steinem is talking about is intersectionality & kyriarchy while all Lacewell can talk about is how, in her view, black Americans have no power, have never had any power (especially over white women, apparently), & second wave feminism is the devil (and apparently responsible for all racism)... and she's a professor?

[ACTINGDRAMA]

I don't think you were listening clearly.

[CircumradiantDawn]

Having a different opinion than someone else does not equate to not listening. Sorry. I listened just fine.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

No I don't think you do.

Drop the condescending dribble, just because one is older doesn't mean that it negates Melissa points.

Judging from the article that Steinem wrote, she could learn some things as well.

[CircumradiantDawn]

Also, marking opinions you don't agree with as spam is immature and an abuse of Youtube's policy and TOS.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

What?

Who the hell does that? Do you?

I love how you throw accusations around. I state my response to a comment and I move the hell on.

[PattiwhackPics]

I think Gloria was a little taken aback by the total trouncing. Love them both!!!

[MrHarris5406]

dont kno wats shes sayin but shes fuckin hot!

[merhaba234]

Just one comment I wanted to make is that women make up 50% of the population, while black people make up 13%. To say that there is more women in congress/senate then black people, is a bit skewed. Especially considering that there is a record number of women in congress now -- 61 (out of 435), and a record 13 (out of 100) senators women! That's pathetic!

[cinemaman3105]

Then women need to try harder and appeal to more then just women dont they?

[merhaba234]

well yeah, they try to appeal to common humanity, but that apparently doesn't include you.

[cinemaman3105]

Yes common humanity, except for working class people. You people are so mental you really think you're speaking the truth and when us normal people disagree all you can do is insult us. I'm so glad the culture has not been affected by the feminist establishment. Madonna has done more for women in the culture than Steinem has.... MORON

[BoysForPele1989]

You idiots trying to make is Harris vs. Steinem, you are petty subscribers to the western colonized mind, come on. Steinem has done more than this woman ever did for, and there are many other women who did a lot more who never even got a voice in the mainstream. They both make good points, and Lacewell finally suppresses her belligerence after she notices Steinem's poise and consistency. Dialogue can happen without debate, It really is time for society move forward from juvenile antagonisms.

[cinemaman3105]

What exactly has Steinem done besides create a magazine for other morons to subscribe to? She just another priveledged uperclass white woman who is so delusional she thinks she speaks for ALL women.

[IMBumbaugh]

I was hugely disappointed with Steinem's bizarre take on the relationship between race and gender in this country. In fact, Steinem was supporting another well off, highly educated, born into wealth white woman, precisely because the two of them are so similar. The

paradox is that Obama's politics more clearly aligns with the positions Steinem has taken over the years. As evidenced by this video, when confronted with the illogic of her position, Ms. Steinem was left grasping at straws.

[Revisittheissue]

Melissa Harris Lacewell is a racist. Gloria Steinem has done more for women--of all colors--than Harris Lacewell has ever done, or will ever do. Lacewell regularly dismisses and insults ANYONE who disagrees with her. Can't stand the woman.

[harveysuperboy]

HuH?? How can a Black Person be racist when we all know that Blacks never have or will never have any power.People in this country really don't have any real ideal

what blacks see daily not just in the U.S but around the world.

[Fighting89Back]

Just look at Melissa Harris Lacewell own that fake white bitch!

[Meymeygwis]

Both these women are brilliant, both have made major contributions...Steinem is old guard and did a lot for people in her time, now she's becoming an elder. Lacewell is a leading edge intellectual and very lucid. Steinem's candidate fought old style politics and lost; Lacewell's candidate a hailed a new era and, thankfully, won! Peace sisters, thanks for all you do!

[tulycreme]

Miss Lacewell is forgetting that black men can also be sexist towards white women. Again, sexism is a crossrace phenomena as well as racism. The question is which one is least socially unaccepted. For what i saw in the media during this campaign, i have to say sexism is the least reproachable.

[kalane]

i think she didn't mention white women in relation to black men b/c black men have historically had no power over white women.

[lockettowl]

Yes, black men can be sexist, but let's consider relationships between black men and white women through history. When black men go the right to vote, white women used racism to fight for female suffrage. Many know about Emmitt Till, but that's just one example of the historical relationship between black men and white women. Historically, white women have been seen as needing protection from dangerous black men. Go back to the video and watch Lacewell clear up historical inaccuraces about this.

[BoysForPele1989]

Let us not forget about The first wave feminists who started out as abolitionists, and THIS encouraged them to go after their own independence.

[lockettowl]

This is true (and there were also many blacks, like Sojourner Truth and Frederic Douglass who were feminist). However, it is also unfortunate and historically significant that some of these feminist turned to racism and racial division as a tool for fighting their cause. And, as Lacewell noted, there is the issue of the full and fair inclusion of black women in modern feminism.

[harveysuperboy]

Where in the Hell r u people getting this crap.Let a Black man fuck over a white women all hell breaks lose.

[tulycreme]

The problem is not black vs white women. Is poor and rich women. Is a gender/social class problem.

[thecoolerbeans]

gurdjieff66 -- you are a misguided, hateful and uneducated person and somehow people like you always find strength in the anonymity of online message boards. why don't you grow a set and try saying this to a black woman's face in the real world?

[gurdjieff66]

I heard Melissa on WPFW in DC last night. Another angry ungrateful black who hates the country that made her a professor of white guilt/black pride at Princeton. Actually her mom was Jewish, her dad black nationalist, they raised her as black rather than interracial. For her, race is everything. Hilllary is a bitch, Obama a brother.  Black women identify with OJ, not Nicole. The only reason she's a feminist is because she had child with a typical black sperm-donor.

[parkflies]

I bet the first thing Gloria Steinem did after this go around was google the name Melissa Harris-Lacewell. It's pretty obvious that she didn't know anything about her opponent beforehand; if she did she would have studied better or simply declined the invitation to debate. Ms Lacewell helps make our country's future worth fighting for.

[DMSelena]

They're both right. But, Steinem called it. Obama won.

[arabafrican]

I agree. How on earth can feminism and "cleavage" be placed in the same sentence. As for Qrstnce's comment on black homophobia, OF COURSE that is a scourge that must be excised akin to a lobotomy. I agree that arguments that call for marriage between the fight against sexism and racism CANNOT be salvaged if it is underpinned by the hiddern "darkness" that is homophobia.

[prac2]

go melissa! good to see a real intellectual slamming Steinem.

[AiresQX4]

Clinton,Obama and McCain were only front runners for President because the Mainstream Media propagated them to there positions!! If the American people actually understood the Constitution and the role of the President

and the Media didn't make or break any certain cadidate then I can say with faith that Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich would be taking the nomination!! This country is filled with followers that don't think for themselves and how very sad when this place will be a POLICE STATE!!!

[knowyourenemy1]

I agree that using race/racism & gender/sexism to condemn either Obama or Clinton is counterproductive. Lacewell, however, isn't discussing race & gender in a way that is negative. She's challenging the racism that some white feminists, like Steinem & Robin Morgan, have expressed-views like: sexism is more serious a problem than racism. Race & gender hasn't come up in this way w/ other pres candidates b/c they've been white males-the race & gender of the privileged is frequently unexamined.

[Qrstnce]

And why is it ok to explore that racism, but not the homophobia and mysoginy endorsed by blacks. I used blacks generally as you use white genrally as well. If you are allowed, then so am I. And yeah, when sexism occurs cross culturally it is a far more serious problem. Blacks are also racist and they practise that racism. Race struggles are not just whites against all others 'inferior' races it is also between racial minorities towards each other. Whereas women's oppression is something all race

[arabafrican]

Melissa is great. Her argument of the use of white "feminism" as decoy that obscures how race is gendered and how gender is raced in the US should be taken as a call for liberation and unity between for all. Instead, Steinem and Clinton are trying to roll back years of progress and have slapped a younger, more open minded generation in the face. That their point of view is in decline is clear.

[Qrstnce]

No actually Melissa is the one causing division.

[Devin1488]

If Mellisa can acknowledge the intersections between race, class, gender, and sex, then she would have voted for, and supported Hillary Clinton. Clearly she understands these things intellectually, as people like Gloria Steinem have been writing about them for years. However, she decided to choose based on race, and even stooped to attacking Hillary for "climbing up" on the success of her husband. That's truly disgusting sexism that exemplifies the problems with Obama politics.

[DianaBoston]

Absolutely agreed. To suggest that Hillary fucked her way through patriarchy to get her intelligence of how the government works, is IGNORANT. Melissa is IGNORANT. It's not white woman against black woman. Didn't we get through that years ago? 'The value of ALL experience' ~ Gloria in this interview.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

@Devin1488 so you choose to assume she voted for Obama because of race.

whatever.

[Devin1488]

Lacewell chose to paint Gloria as a racist in this video. That's not an assumption---its clear as day in this ugly performance. Your empty suit candidate has clearly skirted over to basically all of Hillary Clinton's positions at this point---so lets stop pretending the primary was about his "superior judgment."

[ACTINGDRAMA]

@Devin1488 what the hell are you talking about? I dont see her as a damn racist. I do see you ASSUMING you know why a black women voted for Obama. or every black person for that matter.,

It is bull shit that Hilary pretty much said her experience as the first fucking lady means that she she be president.

Please, stop trying to sweep the shit that MHL said under the rug, because you hate to hear the truth.

[Devin1488]

Hahaha. You Obama people are so disgusting. I'm so glad I didn't vote in the Presidential election.

You're projecting all kinds of racism onto my comments. I never said anything about all black women, or even used race as a context for my statement.

This is about Melissa Lacewell and her race baiting tactics to take down one of the preeminent feminists of our time.

[Devin1488]

Also, if Hillary Clinton were merely first lady for 8 years, she would probably have been about on par with Barack Obama's resume as of 2008. As it happens, she also spent 8 years in the Senate. She simply had more experience, and its quite funny that you convinced yourself otherwise.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

@Devin1488 Where did she say that she was racist? No.. You assumed that, because she was saying something you didn't want to hear.

What was the damn primary about? Please enlighten me.

[maybeilljoincia]

I wouldn't say she painted her as a racist. She pointed out some serious flaws in Gloria's argument. The article Gloria wrote was not some of her best work. The white feminist, especially older ones, do ignore race issues. That is fact. Just look into feminisms history.

[Devin1488]

You can't hold Gloria Steinem accountable for every feminist movement that didn't appeal to black women. Her article stated,

"The caste systems of sex and race are interdependent and can only be uprooted together."

She used Barack as a foil to point out the sexism in the 08 campaign, but to isolate that one paragraph and ignore the other 75%, and Harris is doing in a transparently political manner, is no more right than calling Sonia Sotomoyer a reverse racist for her comments on Latinas.

[maybeilljoincia]

@Devin1488 Obama understands the intersections between race, class, gender, and sex just as well as Clinton. You don't have to be a woman to understand them.

[ACTINGDRAMA]

@maybeilljoincia She doesnt get that.

[Shiftyeyes516]

Melissa is relevant! Gloria is a hasbeen!

[LadySoulChile]

Melissa Lacewell is on point. Thanks for posting this up, mediagrrl9!

[Qrstnce]

Thank you! Exactly! Try being a gay person in a roomful of racial minorities and then the table turn. It is well known that racial minorities have a much stronger prejudice towards sexual diversity, and yet somehow are never held accountable on that on the basis of cultural acceptance. However isn't prejudice, prejudice? In Canada for example Stephen Harper appealed to racial minorities to attempt to quash gay marriage. And he had their support.

[brutusbro]

Professor Lacewell makes perfect sense !

She is brilliant !

[Qrstnce]

Ok, explain how. You haven't explained how. She makes no sense and comes across as nothing more than some bugful of hot air. Go see interviews from Steinem from the early days of feminism where she relates the struggle of women with that of blacks. Pick up "The Second Sex" by Simone de Beauvoir and say the same. You agree with her, because you are ignorant of feminist politics and history. And I have to be suspicious of this proffessor, if she herself isn't aware of that.

[MrArtVandelay]

Holy smokes. I saw her on Maher and fell in love with her too. I thought I was the only one. Think she would consider a fat old bald guy?

[clifford25]

Melissa Harris-Lacewell is just awesome. She's so smart and forceful. I have a crush on her, too, but it has nothing to do with cleavage. It's about intellect.

[historywillabsolve]

stupid identity politics

[ivanlo2]

Ditto with bloodyknuckles. How old is she?

Lol. Not only is she a very educated women she is also hot.

[bloodyknuckles87]

as a white 20 year old, i just watch melissa lacewell on Bill maher and she is pretty damn sexy. MELISSA, I HAVE A CRUSH ON YOU

[victornewman06]

She is hot. The cleavage she had on Bill Maher was magnificent LOL. This is coming from a 33 year old black guy LOL

[bloodyknuckles87]

hahah yea i know that cleavage was insane. what makes her even hotter is that she is a smart female that isn't a feminist. i hate feminists

[DivaNLA]

Melissa just described herself as an "African-American feminist" at 08:49.

[DivaNLA]

Response to "bloodyknuckles87"

[bloodyknuckles87]

not a feminazi, but thanks for the correction dick.

[Qrstnce]

Nope no need for feminism here either, especially of the nazi kind. Not when a woman is being valued on the basis of his cleavage.

[Qrstnce]

Nope. No sexism here she's being valued on her 'sexiness'. Ni more need for feminism.

[thirdshift47]

I watched this when it first aired on 'Democracy Now':Ms.Lacewell positively ripped Steinem to shreds.

[PersephoneSwimming]

of course she did. she's full of self-righteousness and vitriol and is really good at verbally dominating discussions because of that. gloria on the other hand actually wanted to have a dialogue. heaven forbid.

[Devin1498]

Lacewell is a total bigot-she's following the line of argument that has since failed Obama's campaign. Gloria Steinem rocks and should be listened to by all at least every now and then.

[Devin1498]

Lacewell is a total bigot-she's following the line of argument that has since failed Obama's campaign. Gloria Steinem rocks and should be listened to by all at least every now and then.

[jdfodio]

Gloria Steinem got owned by Ms. Lacewell. She made very clear, logical arguments for her position.

[zuesthelessor]

No familial ties??????....Barack is related to Cheney and Bush. Tell the whole truth cute sista!

[fluffstyle]

Yeah. cheney by some waaaay distant cousin. Get real.  hardly the same. lame point

[zuesthelessor]

hardly the same.......Barack wouldn't be in this charade without these relationships

[milalar1913]

Lacewell represented in a most extraordinary manner. Steinem lost focus by ignoring the obvious...how the struggles of White women cannot dare be compared to those of African-American women or men. She's ignoring the facts.

[tklodt2006]

Did Lacewell actually mention there are more white women in the Congress than African American men? There are 2-3 times more white women in America than there are black men!

[todnyc]

Lacewell is a fucking idiot. another fake-ass Princeton windbag

[328823]

sneaky?

[ElChivo85]

you know I had to find the article steinem wrote and read it. And although she clearly states she deosnt want to make the argument of who suffers the most under gender or race both in the article and in the video, thats what the first half of the article is all about. How gender trumps race in this country and how poor hilary is the victim.

[mikemidcity]

Gloria is muddled here and Ms. Lacewell got the better of her.