Braes O' Killiecrankie

[3333lalalala]

Religion ...something God or Jesus probably would never have approved oƒ!

[gaconnochie]

breaking the union of the crowns never mind move towards a closer incorporating union. It was only then in Anne's reign that serious pressure really mounted from England for union. It came about during a Stuart's monarch reign and most of the previous Stuarts had tried to either maneouvre Scotland towards union or at the very least use the English power base to influence Scotland. William was not particularly unusual in that.

[3tangle3]

@gaconnochie the english people didnt even want the union

[gaconnochie]

@3tangle3 Quite so like Scotland it wasn't a democracy.

[gaconnochie]

had little choice. Being the main royalist henchman during the Killing Times, and being loathed throughout especially Presbyterian southern Scotland, he would know he was a marked man as soon as his boss lost his power base.

[gaconnochie]

The song is about the horror of war - ie the devil's at Killiecrankie and if you had been there you wouldn't be so canty! I suppose whoever made the vid is just mirroring that with the images of trench warfare!

[3tangle3]

all the fools who think it was a union of equal partners between england and scotlaan.....are so gullible to propaganda its scary..

[cARCHIEc]

gone yeres boys,freedom

[jockhamish]

Please remember that the Jacobites were fighting for a Roman Catholic king and all the countries of north-west Europe had already broken away from that church and formed a religion gave people the beginnings of the free society we have today.Take for example, two other northern countries, Poland and Ireland. They stayed with the RC church and look what happened to them. ?

[UrukEngineer]

FFS quit the English bashing. This country was formed by a UNION of England and Scotland and the 1st king was Scottish.

[3tangle3]

@UrukEngineer it was an undemocratic union...none of the people were even informed.....riots in glasgow and edinburgh for months after.........bought and sold for english gold...such a parcel o' rogues in our nation

[gaconnochie]

@UrukEngineer Not actually so. The Union of |Scotland and England came about in 1707 and the first monarch was Queen Anne whilst the first King was George I of Hanover. Not Scots. As 3tangle3 says it wasn't a popular union. The 1603 regal union meant the countries shared a monarch but they were still seperate countries - much like Canada and the UK now. Though Killiecrankie was fought between two Scottish armies anyway over who should sit on the Scottish throne. It wasn't about the union!

[UrukEngineer]

@gaconnochie Fair point. There was only a "union of Crowns" for 100 years. Nevertheless the Union itself is over 300 years old. I think it is reasonable to consider it to be "history". I don't post insults about Norwegians for their ancestors' role in looting and destroying our country as Vikings.

I have been a British soldier for over 28 years. My colleages come from across the UK. I value and trust them all.

Recognise the past but live in today. Our future is better served united.

[gaconnochie]

@UrukEngineer You are quite right there is no need to insult anyone. The debate on independence is purely about what is the best way to govern modern Scotland and takes place between the population of Scotland within scotland.Some folk on the internet just enjoy being abusive to people and often their blood is het up on half cocked theories about what happened in history anyway.

[Killecrankieful]

It was sad that so many native Scots at the time gave their allegiance to a Dutch King and forsook the Independence of their own country.

We remember the brave ones who did not bend the knee to a foreign king.

Alba Abu.

[calvers72]

@Killecrankieful I think you are forgetting all those who supported the Frenchman who wanted to be King. :)

[inverkenny]

jacobites did fight in the trenches, do you think everyone in the british army is a supporter of the windsors? force a man against his will, he'll be of the same opinion still. i sing Jacobite songs at fort george in Inverness, they pay me to do it, there are Jacobites everywhere, in Iran and Afghanistan, and they fought in two world wars, the American Revolution, and for France and many other countries, yes, we're still here.

[Suriel1981]

Rowdy Roddy Piper is smiling at this.

[pmiplayer]

awesome vid, love the song

[51rang]

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[mohawkmohican]

agree with this song basicly says all wars are brutal so if you ask me its acceptible to put pics of ww1 in great video, i spend a lot of time up near killiecrankie tummle bridge and perth beutiful country, proud to be scottish, even though i disagree with king james 2 i would still have fought with the jacobites

[Taysidethistle]

Good place to visit - Soldiers leap, Queens View, Tummel dam and Blair Atholl all worth a visit (OK and Pitlochry, then the distilleries....). Saw a reenactment of the battle in 1974 but the real thing would have been very messy.

[Leodhais]

Glory to John Graham of Claverhouse!

[jacobiker]

Arrgh I know you tried hard, but Brit and Jacobite are sworn enimies mate..

Good effort though

[jacobiker]

God Rest John Graham. No matter what your stance today no one can deny the mans courage. He was the first jacobite and a more noble man of his time cannot be found.

[BillDFC]

Damn reformation was the worst thing that ever happened in Scotland....It split the nation and lost us our Indepenence.....and still it divides our people....Religion is a curse!

[witchhunter32]

damn rite , fuck john knox etc they destroyed scotland

[dave1949a1]

@witchhunter32 Scotland was never destroyed,they ammalgamated with England and went on to form the worlds most powerful and benevolent Empire,Leading to the vast majority of democratic nations that we know today.

[locheelad2]

I agree with you religion is a curse, and I had a closed mind about a God for decades, then I read C,S.Lewis quote " why blame God for religion, it's people who mess it up", reminded me of an old bumper sticker , Jesus Save Me From Your Followers.

[BillDFC]

I go along with that min....

[weeeck13]

i agree, have you ever heard of bibliodrama, a form of "demokratic" theology?

[theroachksu]

Absolute agreement from America..

Whether it's an Islamic radical preparing to blow up a cafe or a snake-handling tongue-babbling pentecostal, I'll have none of it. The amount of blood which has been spilt in the name of God is truly horrific.

[weeeck13]

youre right, ever heard of bibliodrama, an anti fundi attitude

[locheelad2]

No. I have just read "How the Scots Invented the Modern World" by Aurthur Hermann (#1 N.Y.T. 2002). He talks of the Scottish Enlightenment and subsequent diaspora, moral phiolosopy which surpassed Rousseu or Engl, was admired as the best by both of them, this was 18th century and Kames, Hume, Adam Smith, were all theologians, as was Dr. Livingstone etc.

[1marystuart]

@BillDFC you are correct, it aso removed humour from everday life

[3tangle3]

@BillDFC youth aren't very religious anymore...but the dividing lines are still passed down :(

[amethyst48]

@BillDFC amen lol

[caleyali]

@BillDFC ...before the reformation, Scotland was a poor, primitive backwater. Following the rationalism and universal education that came with the reformation, it became the place where "we look to for all our ideas of civilization" according to Voltaire. Most of the reformation leaders were highly suspicious of the English church and monarchy.

[frankyboy283]

@BillDFC not the Catholic churches Fault its the people that broke away john knox ect wanting to make there own made up religeon bullshit . Protestants let Scotland down not the Catholics .

[hillfolkloki996]

@BillDFC

Its how people treat religion, the Christian faith promotes love and to be kind, but humans just twist it too their own wants and needs so they can kill each other or take advantage.

[jacobiker]

I said at the start of this thread that I applaud the effort in making it, and if is a wee bit inaccurate in places so whit.

Yhe mans American and proud of his heritage, mare than some Scot's whae shu thier history. Gid effort man

Here's tae the King sir

[billegeto]

exceptional video! i liked the auntie most!

[bloobear1]

jacobiker is spot on! England prospers from Scotland having the Protestant and Catholic at each others throat up here. If you cant see that then you're blind

[jacobiker]

No Religious divide? Sorry thats not true. and a sound education of history in schools would render spin usless.

have you never been to an old firm game and heard young men scream hate filled songs at each other. I truley wish Scot's were not religious somtime.

[HomegirlOfJezu]

Erm, sorry all, but I'm not really sure what this song is about. *cringe*. Can someone please explain? Thanks. *blush*

[MrTriggr]

It is, simply put-without a load of history - a warning. A dire warning against the horrors of war. The words mean, freely translated: You wouldn't be so carefree if you had seen what I have seen on the hills of Killiecrankie. Then the story goes on to state that there is no shame in preserving ones life in the face of an impossible battle. In this battle, Nearly all the men opposing the king dies or were hunted down like wild animals. Even then, these deeds were considered dishonorable.

[theroachksu]

Your interpretation of the song is correct, but this battle was actually won by the Jacobites. The King's men were routed and many of them were killed during the retreat. The song is sung from the point of view of one of Mackay's men who survived the battle.

[BillDFC]

John Graham (Bonnie Dundee), was mortally wounded at Killiekrankie and is buried in the vault of Old Blair church.

After the battle the Jacobites failed to take Dunkeld which was held for the government by the Cameronians and the rising fizzled out..

[theroachksu]

Yes, with Dundee's demise, I believe the Jacobites lost the war when they won at Killiecrankie (until the next rising, of course).

[jacobiker]

Viscount Dundee was fighting for James The Legitimate King. a brave man deserved of such recognition The fact that religious tyranny was sweeping the country at the time is a sad part of history. The sad sad realisation that religion still divides Scot's is why as a Nation we are weak. If religion and division were to pass then Scotland would be a strong and Independent Nation. divide and rule has always been the shackles that bind Scotland.

[calicheSCOT]

Are you serious? I've never seen religious divide and I've lived in Scotland all my life!!! What stops us being independent is political spin in the media. Pure and simple.

[bloobear1]

Jacobiker I couldn't agree with you more

[bloobear1]

Corries original and best. Graham of Claverhouse (Viscount Dundee) changed sides so many times. However he was a great military leader and tactician

[bloobear1]

Scotland's a divided nation and the words in the song tells you that story. Sad to say a lot of folk are Catholic or Protestant first and being Scottish comes last

[gport7]

That's complete rubbish.... I dont know anyone who thinks of themselves as being either protestant or catholic before they consider themselves to be Scottish....

[jacobiker]

Baws man! yer to young or nae educated enough if you beleive that

[pigeonsgalore87]

god, i remember having to learn this song off by heart in school! and i would burst into song every single time we passed killiecrankie when going down the A9! memories!

[jacobiker]

type.. Na fir dileas into your browser ponnkka

[jacobiker]

Ponnkka. the ( Nafirdileas) website will help you understand

[jacobiker]

Good effort , but as a commited and loyal Jacobite I was confused. There is little glory in war, but Killicrankie was a decisive victory for Bonnie Dundee and the Jacobites who followed him, over a larger British Army force that included Scot's and led by Mackay, also a Scot. Jacobitisim is a very difficult subject to get a handle on. Try the loyal men website

[bloobear1]

'Jacobitisim is a very difficult subject to get a handle on. ' That's easy. Roman Catholics trying to take over the protestant throne at the time. The divine rule of kings and all that goes with it too. If yer a Catholic in Scotland then you prefer to be known as Irish rather than a Scot. Thats the situation

[bloobear1]

Wasn't it the fact the Dundee switched sides a lot. He was hounding Covenanter's too for the government? Or am I thinking of John Graham Marquis of Montrose?

[1981Marcus]

Dundee didn't switch sides. Montrose can be accused of that but his supporters would argue that it was the Covenant movement that left him (assuming you mean the 1st Marquis - all four of them were called James, not John).

Dundee fought for the Stewart monarchy, first against rebels, then (after the usurpation) against the new government. No inconsistency there.

[jacobiker]

As a commited Jacobite I must confess to a little confusion in the posters message. However, Jacobitisim is not an easy subject to learn. I applaud anyone trying to do so but a little re'search can save much embarasment. Try looking up The loyal men website for an alternative veiw

[scotslasslover]

Rabbie Burns was a FUCKING GENIUS !! End of. Thank you :D

[Chapels]

SAOR ALBA!

[paul1916]

Fucking stupid film - WTF does that have to do with the battle of Killiecrankie

[HomegirlOfJezu]

It means "Free/deliver Scotland". Tis old Scots Gaelic (sp??)

[1sdr1]

ye might wan tae take note that the useally folk who be jacobite dinnae like being mixed with red coats lol just in case ye make any other yins that is ;) good verson of the song though :D

[BlessedThistle]

Agreed.

[DonnyMacG]

What a Strange arrangement of photies?

Killicrankie is a Jacobite song and we have Golden Eagles in Scotland.

Unless I really missed something the Jacobite Army never fought in trenches

[ponkkaa]

The trench pics were there to tie wars past with wars present. IE Nobody wins a war.

Thanks for watching.

[amethyst48]

@ponkkaa right , noone wins a war, war just determines who is left. Some of us Americans know about the images in this video, those of us with Scottish blood.

[xaviergreen103]

@ponkkaa The Mongols won wars, they built their empire off of the spoils of their conquests.

[Ronny1314]

@ponkkaa

Is that Scottish soldiers lying dead in the trenches?

[ponkkaa]

@Ronny1314 doesnt matter who. The video is to show the hell of war, regardless of when it happened.

[frankyboy283]

@DonnyMacG very true but i think the reason is because some Scottish Protestants dont have a sence of history. this vid is like playing Wolfetones music and showing Loyalist photoes ? very Strange

[felipescotland77]

@DonnyMacG Hey man, I need to let you know that this is NOT a Jacobite song. If the lyrics don't make it obvious then please go read the facts about the song, it's roots and the fact that it is basically telling the story of a redcoat who survived the battle and is sarcastically berating a young naive comrade — possibly a relative — who missed the battle, from there he goes on to pour scorn on his London masters but also to pour scorn on anyone who would underestimate the fierce Jacobites.

[gaconnochie]

@felipescotland77 Kind of agree with your post excepting the bit about London masters! Killiecrankie was pre-union. The Jacobites were fighting the forces of the Scottish govt in Edinburgh. The Scottish parliament had met and after receiving letters from both James and William they ruled in favour of Wiliam, branded James a traitor and stripped him off his crown. Seeing he had no solid support in the Lowlands Graham (ie Dundee) went to the Highlands ro raise a rebellion. In truth he probably

[felipescotland77]

@gaconnochie Gee, I'm helluva glad that a pro unionist has took the time to tell me that he 'kind of agrees' with my post to another youtuber! lol

But to suggest that Williamite big-wigs in London had no vested interest or influence — politically and financially — during this period is absolute nonsense. Any fool can pick up a basic encyclopedia and read as much. The events at Killiecrankie took place less than twenty years before the so-called Treaty of Union —which was foisted on Scotland.

[gaconnochie]

@felipescotland77 Actually I'm not a pro-unionist. There is a big difference between someone having an influence and vested interest to someone having London masters. James himself had ruled from London so there is no difference between the pre and post revolution scenario. The union was no closer really in William's reign than it had been in that of the monarchs before him. In fact it looked at first at the turn of the century when the Scots had enough of semi-union that they would opt for

[BonnieBlueFlag1314]

I hope to god you dont think Killiecrankie had trench war fare

[ponkkaa]

I know there were no trenches, read my last reply. Besides, what did yee expec frae a Yank?

[pipes0987]

@ponkkaa : maybe they pooped in trenches?

[ponkkaa]

@pipes0987 Possible...gotta poop somewhere.