Great video...love the close of up shots of Chen Man Ching and Tam Gibbs...could almost feel the power in his presses...! Wish I could have met both of them...but thankfully I can learn from their students. :)
The problem with the issue of "Can so and so really fight?" Is simply one never has a convenient camera person around when someone comes after you with a knife.
Simple physics: CMC is shorter than his western opponents and has the advantage of a lower centre of gravity. Notice how the taller students struggle (and fail) to get under his centre of gravity - their knees are practically on the floor.
This stuff does not prove anything. Such students will never attack in earnest out of respect for their master. Apparently CMC was once attacked in a restaurant by a man with a knife and Chen defeated him. Now if only we had the video of that !
All physical push... No peng-jing. Really folks, do you think that Yang Lu-Chang, The Invincible, was undefeated in the fighting capital of the world -Beijing- of mid 19th century by doing this????? Give me a break...
Cheng Manching once taught the lightweight boxing champion of China. Tai chi teaches how not to get hit, how to "listen". He would probably laugh at all this arguing, because he wasn't about fighting. Suffice it to say that almost all who had personal contact with him highly respected him, not just for his tai chi mastery but also for his skill as a Chinese medicine practitioner, a calligrapher, a painter and a writer of essays and commentary on some of the Chinese classic writings.
I just watched this video while listening to Tool- Eulogy. At some points the sounds mixed really well, it was awesome you shoulda been there. Anyway what I wanted to say was that I appreciate having the real shit here instead of just backyard enthusiasts showing their progress. Matisamd had a great comment, if anyone is practicing this, take great attention to the power of the spiral. Thanks for posting, 5 stars for the real deal.
You would never get it from writing, no one could describe it no matter how many words they used, you need to find the real deal and get them to push hands wth you. you can look up Chen Zhonghua on youtubbe his videos are about the best on Chen Tai chi application, but you still won't get it..... not without pushing.
@DCYPL1OF1YESHUA A simple enough answer to your Q is this,from infancy we use up to 300 stabilizer muscles just to stand and walk,Tai Chi relaxes most of these muscles and teaches you to channel the energy saved. Imagine clenching your fists and jaws and gut(6pack) etc all day, wouldnt you use up lots of energy unnecessarily? In my opinion the rest is soundly based on understanding human anatomy and applying physics ie torq and leverage. I am a 3rd year student of Chen style.
i like the idea of fajing the explosive power coming from twisting the body rapidly like a dog twists and gains great power its the special sauce behind bruce lee's 'one inch punch' and practicality avoids telegraphing moves and gives power in tight and close up the extension of the idea of softness is that using the bodys twist and let arms swing out like one of those little drums in karate kid. hehe. also the idea of twisting back trying to create a bullwhip effect at the point of contact...
I think t is not right to compare MMA and such things like Taichi. Technique that is good for sport fight ofcause can help on a street. And of cause such things like taichi are not good for ring and I think taichi master in sport fight may loose. But in real situation (war, street conflict) taichi, bagua, russian systema, aikido can help more.
And last thing, MMA is not martial ART. It is just MARTIAL sport fighting
I've met real martial artists and people who have lost fights with them and boxing mma wrestling just dont compare.These arts take time to learn but when you have it you have a skill for life ,not dependent on fitness or youth. You can still kick ass at eighty and get home safe
I remember my first fight with a karate practitioner. He came to 'test" my Tai Chi. Even though I wasn't very experienced, I YIELDED to his attacks. I was amazed how he put himself into the wall - repeatedly. He quickly tired of the "game". When I watch MMA, I see how some fighters 'accidentally' yield to the opponent. It is in these moments I see them being effective and having real opportunity. Tai Chi offers great technique. Match that to a true spirit and you have a Grandmaster like CMC.
I would love to hear more of your words. I have a cousin whom is arrogant and says Tai Chi is not an effective Martial Arts style and stated "If it's so great, why isn't a part of MMA?" He believes every martial arts to be lesser than Brazilian Jiu Jutsu and Muay Thai along with any other MMA which he thinks is an actual martial arts style. Also, I myself would have loved to learn under Cheng Man Ch'ing's instruction as well.
I've witnessed fights and met people who got bashed by practicioners of the so called soft arts and real kung fu. Its not a game or a sport, its a life style a method of preserving life and health and it can take a life very easily. And the stronger and more aggressive you are you just play into their hands,dead meat
I am sorry if I gave the impression I studied with CMC. I went to his New York school but he had left for Taiwan. I studied with Katy Cheng where I learned of his philosophy. An artist such as CMC would not enter the MMA arena. Tai Chi Chuan is "INVESTMENT IN LOSS" and has little in common with the vain - goryousness of MMA. CMC was a man of peace and seeker of HARMONY. Read Robert Smith's "MARTIAL MUSINGS" for greater insight to the True fighting arts. Also O'Sensei, Aikido's founder roots.
I have incorporated taiji to strengthen a rotator cuff tear, (whoa). A blessing in disguise in that Ihave been focused more than ever to use taiji as a more viable tool in real healing situ's. I have abandoned standards in modern physical therapy, which seems to injure me further.
Sounds like I should do the same - injured in a fall in a bathroom, further injured in MMA... And after months of PT I quit and went to a chiro, who helped.
It is a long time irony to learn martial arts, use it for peace and not for fighting.
Self-defense is one thing, but hopefully no one is out there picking fights or trying to one-up one another. Just be happy you are in good shape and have the peace that comes with that.
I think he was just referring to the view of taiji in the eyes of the public, yes there are amazing teachers still out there, but they are few and far between, you end up with a lot of airy fairy practitioners who think they know how to fight after doing the form and some push hands and they end up getting hurt, or further discounting taiji to the martial community
You won't see many taijiquan players fighting because they are smart and are interested in self preservation of themselves, their family and their country, which is what martial arts were designed for in the first place. This system was used by Chinese/Manchu troops for hand to hand combat. There are some MMA, BJJ practicers who carry a large ego about toyland combat not real combat. Try to get a BJJ fighter outside of a gym without comfy mats to play on. We'll see who gets smashed then.
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If tai chi masters are so good, why don't they show their skills against real fighters like boxer or cage fighter.Because they will get smashed, it is one thing to demonstrate against a whimp but it is another to go for the real thing.Tai chi is beautiful and good for relaxation but useless in a real fight,people are put in danger when told they can defend themselves with it.
Boxing and cage fighting is not real street survival. the fact that most tai chi masters live well into an old age with no injuries should be considered. But I will say that most of what passes for tai chi chuan today is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. The real fighting aspect of the art is slowing being lost. Look for traditional clips and not the health only clips. Cheng Man Ching was legit as are most of his students. Check out clips from Moontagu.
There is no reason for a Tai Chi master to "show his skills." In not fighting, he has won. Martial skill is to preserve inner and outer peace. If I can end a fight in seconds, peace has returned that much faster. MMA is a sport (one I love). It is for the fans and it has rules. If Randy Couture attacked Prof. Chen in an alley, he would loose. But the point of being unbeatable is that you never need to fight. I encourage you to investigate Taoism for a better understanding of the philosophy.
I think you don't understand it.. How do you want to fight with 76 years old? if you want to fight then start Karate, Jiu Jitsu, Judo or anything else.. But if you want to feel better with you and practising an art when you're very old then start with tai chi or chi kung.
You're right, nobody is truly "unbeatable," in the classic sense, but wouldn't you agree that a man who doesn't fight is "unbeatable" simply because you can't beat someone unless you fight them? I think Tai Chi is better than MMA for true defense because Tai Chi makes you slippery like a snake. MMA uses strength and skill, something that won't help if you grab a serpent by the tail. Tai Chi teaches you to be like the snake and to be like water, elusive, slippery, changeable.
The colors are mostly a matter of preference. The tassels themselves actually have function: the real ones are attached to weighted balls that can be tossed, sweeping the tassel at an opponent's face, for example, or wrapping it around his wrist to gain control of his sword hand. Mastering the use of the tassel is not easy.
2)you will never ever have 'soft vs soft'- there is always at least 1 yang(hard/agressive). in a 'yang(hard/tense) vs yang', it become contest of strength and greater yang will win. but in 'yang vs yin', yin will overcome yang b/c hard can never sense soft.
the more relaxed u are, the more balanced + the greater ur potential. then u can sense & uproot ur oponent
I think this may be another way of saying that where there's yin, there always exists yang in inverse proportion (i.e., 70% yang, 30% yin. This isn't a matter of choice but a universal law, like gravity. The challenge is in learning to find yang within yin and vice versa. It may not be easy to find, but it's always there. Yang is relatively predictable and linear, whereas yin adapts and is flexible and sensitive. Understanding this is the key to neutralizing force.
Sorry, don't know any teachers of CMC style in Vegas, but since it may be the most widely practiced style in America, you might be able to find someone. It takes a long time to develop high skill at this style, so look for someone with 10-15 years of experience at least.
I met a cab driver in LV once, who was a chen stylist -- we talked about it and we pulled over and he showed me his form. Very good! Take more cabs, maybe you will find him.
One of the students at the Chinese Shao-lin Center I go to is a cab driver and if you walk by within arms length of him, he'll tear ya up just to practice but he's a great guy for being 50 something and 230 some odd pounds.
William C C Chen in the Chelsea area of NYC is a senior disicple of CMC. He has been teaching for over 50 years. I heard there was some other great Tai Chi guy in California but I forgot his name; I think it was in a book "The Ultimate Tai Chi" or soemthing like that =/
hi, thanks for responding, i finally found someone who teaches this style my in mytown.. i've been with him for a couple of months now and im back on track. do u study ?
I just met William C. C. Chen in his studio in midtown Manhattan last week, and he is totally, unbelievably awesome in his movements. I was astounded at the beauty and effortless of his movement. He is attentive, available, and very personal in his teaching style. It was an honor to be in his class.
as a result, even though a lot of ppl in the world practice CMC's taichi, few get the real deal. If the CMC taichi you experience can't break one's arms and neck, or seriously hurt someone bad with ease, (push ppl away DOESN'T COUNT!!) then it's not the real CMC taichi.
the point of the demonstration isnt about pushing or shoving someone- its about controlling the center while rooting your own. w/o a stable center power, strength, speed, and technique become not only rigid but greatly diminished. if one can control the oponents center while rooting one's own, possibilities abound.
but even the push is not so simple- it is not brute strength against brute strength
It is somewhat like a Chinese tradition for teachers to hold the secrets for "real" students who need to go through some rituals and even take oath. I learned from my teacher that this is how it was with CMC and some of his students too. Now, this is not to say CMC is the greatest master in the 20th century, but he was far more powerful than the video shows, that's for sure
The I met many of CMC's students and experienced really weird things. Right now the teacher I'm with studies only CMC's taichi in his life, he can easily knock someone unconscious (or more) with a single hit. Trust me, it's not a "push," it's a solid hit that hurts really bad. The techniques he uses, however, can't be found anywhere in CMC's videos or books... the main principles are there, but the real tricks aren't
Just a few words to say. Abt 8 yrs ago I started learning CMC's taichi. There was a time I was skeptical about its martial aspect too -- so what if we can "push" someone away? plus the videos looked somewhat useless to me. TBC
I can testify that Professor Cheng was one of the great masters of the 20th century. Few who knew him would dispute this. The unspectacular appearance of his form shows not nonchalance but integral wholeness. No one in their right mind would ever have attacked him. He was joyful, generous and modest--he never called himself "master," and all his students called him "Professor" or, with great respect, "the Old Man." 37 years later, I'm still mining the gold of his teaching.
We could go round and round on this: Are YOU qualified to say what Professor Cheng was or was not? Did you ever experience him in life, or are you just going on hearsay? Video can only show you so much. And yes, I've met other great masters. A couple of them were also great teachers, which isn't the same as being a master, and in terms of propagation of the art, it's far more important.
Not sure what your problem is. I was Professor Cheng's student, saw and experienced some amazing things firsthand, and that's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. Tell you what: If your knowledge is greater than the Professor's, I'll come and study with you. But so far all I've seen is a lot of pooh-poohing and nay-saying. Unless you've got something creative to contribute, I'm done with you.
Actually that age is incorrect. Like many people signing in to YouTube, I chose not to reveal accurate information about myself out of a desire to protect my identity. But I'll reveal it here. I'm 62 (about to turn 63 in 2 days), and I studied at Shr Jung, Professor's school, starting in 1974 when I was 29.
Then, you must remember that Professor Cheng moved to Taiwan to publish his book on the Yi Ch'uan (commentary on the Book of Changes) in 1974 and die in Taiwan in 1975..
I've created a site for Professor Cheng' honor at chengmanchingdotcom..
That's right. I only had a couple of months with Professor at most. Largely I studied with his senior students, Ed Young, Maggie Newman, Tam Gibbs (after Tam returned from Taiwan), and Lou Kleinsmith, who I consider my main teacher. I only had five years with Lou, though, until he passed in January 1980.
daz, what you say is true, so often in these demo vids we see cooperative students being polite to their teachers. However if you know anything about chinese MA then you should know that this man was challenged many times by people with no respect and was never beaten. Respect the true masters. PS I didnt know Maggie was so hot back in the day! She used to come to my school for private lessons from my teacher, Wai Yip Lam, before he passed(this was like 3-4 years ago).
Ha... comparing these two videos is completely ridiculous. Having been fortunate to meet a practitioner of this form who studied briefly with the professor himself, I can assure you, he was the real deal. However do you really expect that the best martial artists are just going to let their true knowledge be filmed for something like this? Do a little research on Jackie Chan for example... what you see in the movies is not what he practices behind closed doors.
I know his students were not cooperative, they just needed a better teacher.Look how they stand, if they were not knock out by someone, they would kneel down by themself anyway.
The "girl" at 2.20 is Maggie Newman, one of Chen Man Ch'ing's senior students. You could probably find her studio in New York. I believe she's 83 now. :-)
yeah id like see him fight a boxer too!!! it be nice to see the old man kill someone effortlessly. lol always nice to see a comment from someone whos probably usually a victim. lol.. a direct punch even slightly deflected would lose a considerable amount of power (but then again u probably always get hit directly in the face..lol)and u cant throw a punch properly if your opponent keeps u off balance. (no foundation=no power). see him fight a boxer or anyone else indeed...lol
you see any death matches in your guys reality tv world? i guess not coz the victims are always the ones thinking there are rules. keep watching that reality tv so your thumbs will be strong from the remote...lol stupid victims.
internal arts are on a whole nother plane above external arts. The internal arts require not only a strong threshold of physical strength, but the understanding and utilization of internal forces, concepts, and organs such as chi and dan'tien.
These "slow arts" as some people call them, are practiced slow only for the training- and after a certain amount of this training, the persons become many times quicker than any persons of external arts
gotta love ppl who base ppls fightin skill on how they would 'fight' in ring with rules and gloves ect (u know he knows how to kill/maim and u can see skill if u bothered lookin).. altho sayin that u might as well just shoot some1 out of ring..
he is really great master ! you can take him as reference to compare with others, many of them just knows little about taichi. To reach this level you need intelligence
I have been pushed by a Tai Chi Master (genuine master) and let me tell you it is not make believe. Unfortunately to reach that level in Tai chi means you have to devote your entire life to it and most modern people wont do that!
wow, if you like what you doing in the martial arts, than keep doing it, it should be about independent growth, we all go threw different level threw our life, we all have bad days and good days, i hope if i have to fight i am having a good day, lol
Im sure people dissing this video have never attempted push hands against serious opponets. You can see by the way Chen launches these guys that he's not just shoving them away.
I am pissed right off with people slating cheng's art.I am no "new ager"and will seriously meet and fight any one who is dumb enough to comment on something they clearly can not fathom.Don't complain if you get your lips bit off and i leave with your balls in my hand.You prick's.
CMC was a student of Yang Cheng Fu for only a few years (at best)... not the disciple so many claim him to be. his pushes look like hard shoves... not explosive peng jing.
The internal martial arts and some of the filipino arts isn't really for show fighting..since it was strikly inventet for survival by killing the opponent. It is not a punch for punch martial art like valetudo and such. You cant really compare them like that.
Taichi is mostly dirty fighting and wouldn't be allowed in an mma fight.
oh, my. I see you don't speak Portuguese. Vale tudo is roughly translated as everything has value. Its origins are in a circus sideshow, where brazillian jujitsu came from. By the way, brazilian jujitsu is actually judo.
Why do you think a vale tudi fighter would be so much better than Chen Manching? You haven't touched either, have you?
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i train MMA. brazillian jiu jutsu is JJ that focuses on ground work which judop doesnt much at least compettitively anyway because it focuses on getting the pin and slamming people which are very valid methods btw.
when we go vale tudo it means we go hard with minimum gear and little rules.
i think almost any MMA fighter (professional) would smash chen's face in with ease.
Hm... You do know that you have never trained under a Fajin Taijichuan Teacher right? Obviously you dont understand how rigorous the real Tai Chi is... Fajin Taijichuan has alot of sharp and strong movements... All movements deriving from snapping... The ground as a power circuit... The hips as a power outlet.. The arms as displacement...
Tai Chi Practitioners have some of the sharpest hits when it comes to fighting... Before a normal fighter can go for the second punch the energy would have been redirected and most likely be down due to a liver shot... I suggest studying REAL tai chi and finding it out in fights yourself...
Cheng (or his students, I don't know) started a relatively geriatric phenonmena in taiji, discrediting the martial aspects of the art; too bad to. This form looks great (no-sit back to turn into BKTS).
The Zheng Manqing form and the 24/48 postures forms are most often the styles used by New Agers. Typically, a nutty New Ager will not spend the time and effort learning the Yang-style long form, whether Chengfu's or any other, so to some extent "real" Yang-style is almost pure even now.
I'm a chen style practioner and til now i really never thought much of master cheng man chings ability as a martial artist, other than willam cc chen yang style is still very much directed towards new age health.
How ever put this out good for you and your system...
The man's real name is Zheng Manqing, but in any case, it's great to see this. I have studied the Yang Chengfu long form for many years, but it is nothing compared to him. Zheng Manqing, Yang Chengfu and Fu Zhongwen - without these guys, Yang style taijiquan would be barely heard of, and I may not have had the opportunity to study it.
Would strongly caution about fencing wihout the usage of a mask, as it is extremely easy to score a hit against an eye for anyone familiar with the art.
Chen Manching's 37 short form is the Tai-Chi system I am currently studying. My master's master's master is Chen Manching himself. Thank you for uploading. I actually own the complete DVD.
Master Cheng's name is referred as Cheng Man-Ch'ing, I have his T'AI CHI CH'UAN published by North Atlantic Books..CA.. for further studying purpose..
I would like to get a copy of this video. I have studied with Cheng's third generation students for over 12 years. For those who doubt his abilities and the students (who I can name if anyone is interested), you should read the various accounts from those who knew him: Robert W. Smith, Benjamin Lo, TT Liang, Maggie Newman, Wolf Lowenthal, Chen Wen Ming, etc.
Master of Masters! Deepest respect.
1951Skylark 6 months ago
What is that wonderful music in the end of the video, when Chen Man Ching performs his form? I think it's Chinese, but Shazam doesn't know it.
todoslostardes 8 months ago
Great video...love the close of up shots of Chen Man Ching and Tam Gibbs...could almost feel the power in his presses...! Wish I could have met both of them...but thankfully I can learn from their students. :)
edr777 10 months ago
The problem with the issue of "Can so and so really fight?" Is simply one never has a convenient camera person around when someone comes after you with a knife.
demonlady66 10 months ago 2
鄭曼青很好，可惜大肚! Master Cheng is good, only that he has a big belly !
washingzoo1 1 year ago
@washingzoo1 Its well known that yang style kills you. If you dont believe it try stopping.
ordosincorporated 8 months ago
ONe of his students has a push hands class here in San Diego. I need to make it.
dekal1 1 year ago
@dekal1 I highly recommend it if it is HK you are referring to. His Push Hands skills are amazing.
liverqiconstraint 6 months ago
@liverqiconstraint Herman correct?
dekal1 6 months ago
@dekal1 Yes. His push hands training changed everything for me, (martially speaking).
liverqiconstraint 6 months ago
awesome. i see that he uses his energy in his word.
ilyavishnyakov 1 year ago
My master.
rmmcclay 1 year ago
Simple physics: CMC is shorter than his western opponents and has the advantage of a lower centre of gravity. Notice how the taller students struggle (and fail) to get under his centre of gravity - their knees are practically on the floor.
This stuff does not prove anything. Such students will never attack in earnest out of respect for their master. Apparently CMC was once attacked in a restaurant by a man with a knife and Chen defeated him. Now if only we had the video of that !
neilmak 1 year ago
@neilmak In Tai Chi we lower the center. Anyone taller with enough skills can put there center anywhere no matter how short theo ther person is.
dekal1 1 year ago
All physical push... No peng-jing. Really folks, do you think that Yang Lu-Chang, The Invincible, was undefeated in the fighting capital of the world -Beijing- of mid 19th century by doing this????? Give me a break...
smr144 1 year ago
@smr144 right on man. Tofu Taichi es no bueno ;)
ATMfromNJ 3 months ago
Cheng Manching once taught the lightweight boxing champion of China. Tai chi teaches how not to get hit, how to "listen". He would probably laugh at all this arguing, because he wasn't about fighting. Suffice it to say that almost all who had personal contact with him highly respected him, not just for his tai chi mastery but also for his skill as a Chinese medicine practitioner, a calligrapher, a painter and a writer of essays and commentary on some of the Chinese classic writings.
xxyyzzschmooz 1 year ago 3
He lived to 73 which is below the average life expentancy for a man.....quite short for a Tai Chi Master who seeks Taoist immortality...
BuddhaZenMind 1 year ago
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Have to remember that he was not expected to live to 20 when he was an early teen.
Also we know that genetics and diet have a bit role to play in longevity
sinjofin 1 year ago
BULLSHIT!!
rudahanusek 1 year ago
6:00 onwards would make an interesting lightsaber style I think, if done faster...
rozniy 2 years ago
They did it already. Yoda ,lol.fighting style is like a bagua ,tai chi xing yi player ...
Rafa38 2 years ago
@Rafa38 But old master Cheng here doesn't jump all over the place like Yoda :P
Ah well, after 900 years you reach, move so good you do not...
Some of the Western students were so much taller than Cheng, they had to go really low to push hands with him, LOL!
rozniy 2 years ago
I just watched this video while listening to Tool- Eulogy. At some points the sounds mixed really well, it was awesome you shoulda been there. Anyway what I wanted to say was that I appreciate having the real shit here instead of just backyard enthusiasts showing their progress. Matisamd had a great comment, if anyone is practicing this, take great attention to the power of the spiral. Thanks for posting, 5 stars for the real deal.
3wr33k 2 years ago
HOW DOES THIS STUFF WORK?..
DCYPL1OF1YESHUA 2 years ago
You would never get it from writing, no one could describe it no matter how many words they used, you need to find the real deal and get them to push hands wth you. you can look up Chen Zhonghua on youtubbe his videos are about the best on Chen Tai chi application, but you still won't get it..... not without pushing.
evolutionjoe 2 years ago
@DCYPL1OF1YESHUA A simple enough answer to your Q is this,from infancy we use up to 300 stabilizer muscles just to stand and walk,Tai Chi relaxes most of these muscles and teaches you to channel the energy saved. Imagine clenching your fists and jaws and gut(6pack) etc all day, wouldnt you use up lots of energy unnecessarily? In my opinion the rest is soundly based on understanding human anatomy and applying physics ie torq and leverage. I am a 3rd year student of Chen style.
HOLMES69able 1 year ago
Hello...QUESTION FOR YA...what is the name of the sound tracks and the artist or artist of the sound tracks...nice stuff..later
Vvrroommm 2 years ago
it's interesting to see how much circling they do when they free spar with the sword.
Taiji and Bagua, brother and sister arts...
richardshapiroII 2 years ago
i like the idea of fajing the explosive power coming from twisting the body rapidly like a dog twists and gains great power its the special sauce behind bruce lee's 'one inch punch' and practicality avoids telegraphing moves and gives power in tight and close up the extension of the idea of softness is that using the bodys twist and let arms swing out like one of those little drums in karate kid. hehe. also the idea of twisting back trying to create a bullwhip effect at the point of contact...
matisamd 2 years ago
Tai Chi when done properly is lethal.....
Taurus8763 2 years ago 5
@taurus8763
very true
freddiego60 1 year ago
check out his style @ 2:00! ill!
insightdeluxe2 2 years ago
spinte del ceppo....
SifuDario 2 years ago
You guys never know how strong real Tai Chi can be.
It's far beyond you imagination......
Taiwan168888 2 years ago 5
I think t is not right to compare MMA and such things like Taichi. Technique that is good for sport fight ofcause can help on a street. And of cause such things like taichi are not good for ring and I think taichi master in sport fight may loose. But in real situation (war, street conflict) taichi, bagua, russian systema, aikido can help more.
And last thing, MMA is not martial ART. It is just MARTIAL sport fighting
samuelsammmo 2 years ago 3
I've met real martial artists and people who have lost fights with them and boxing mma wrestling just dont compare.These arts take time to learn but when you have it you have a skill for life ,not dependent on fitness or youth. You can still kick ass at eighty and get home safe
imdunin 2 years ago 3
100% agree
samuelsammmo 2 years ago
lifes like getting kicked in the nutts repeatedly. there nothing to be learned you didnt already know and it really hurts.
matisamd 2 years ago
I remember my first fight with a karate practitioner. He came to 'test" my Tai Chi. Even though I wasn't very experienced, I YIELDED to his attacks. I was amazed how he put himself into the wall - repeatedly. He quickly tired of the "game". When I watch MMA, I see how some fighters 'accidentally' yield to the opponent. It is in these moments I see them being effective and having real opportunity. Tai Chi offers great technique. Match that to a true spirit and you have a Grandmaster like CMC.
steveuke 2 years ago 2
I would love to hear more of your words. I have a cousin whom is arrogant and says Tai Chi is not an effective Martial Arts style and stated "If it's so great, why isn't a part of MMA?" He believes every martial arts to be lesser than Brazilian Jiu Jutsu and Muay Thai along with any other MMA which he thinks is an actual martial arts style. Also, I myself would have loved to learn under Cheng Man Ch'ing's instruction as well.
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steveuke 2 years ago
I've witnessed fights and met people who got bashed by practicioners of the so called soft arts and real kung fu. Its not a game or a sport, its a life style a method of preserving life and health and it can take a life very easily. And the stronger and more aggressive you are you just play into their hands,dead meat
imdunin 2 years ago 3
I am sorry if I gave the impression I studied with CMC. I went to his New York school but he had left for Taiwan. I studied with Katy Cheng where I learned of his philosophy. An artist such as CMC would not enter the MMA arena. Tai Chi Chuan is "INVESTMENT IN LOSS" and has little in common with the vain - goryousness of MMA. CMC was a man of peace and seeker of HARMONY. Read Robert Smith's "MARTIAL MUSINGS" for greater insight to the True fighting arts. Also O'Sensei, Aikido's founder roots.
steveuke 2 years ago
Great Video. It is the first vieo with sword push hand, that i saw.
daniel25r83 2 years ago 2
english please.....lol
mutsosgil 2 years ago
very good.
chimab 3 years ago
I have incorporated taiji to strengthen a rotator cuff tear, (whoa). A blessing in disguise in that Ihave been focused more than ever to use taiji as a more viable tool in real healing situ's. I have abandoned standards in modern physical therapy, which seems to injure me further.
krossthredd 3 years ago 3
Sounds like I should do the same - injured in a fall in a bathroom, further injured in MMA... And after months of PT I quit and went to a chiro, who helped.
patfromlogan 2 years ago
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it's a cold shit .. when u learn it's hard to fight effectively
natharaja 3 years ago
It's an even colder shit when you realize you don't have the patience or character to practice "real taiji".
TexasSizzle 3 years ago 2
coo!
tarruze 3 years ago
cool
tarruze 3 years ago
how can i get a copy of this video
DSSgt13 3 years ago
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This guy is bullshit.....
dsatony 3 years ago
It is a long time irony to learn martial arts, use it for peace and not for fighting.
Self-defense is one thing, but hopefully no one is out there picking fights or trying to one-up one another. Just be happy you are in good shape and have the peace that comes with that.
eadmati 3 years ago 2
Looks like fun, pitty nowadays the martial art side of Tai Chi is quite dead. At least haven't seen anything like this, they all do just the form.
barimbo 3 years ago
Hi barimbo,
That is not true. I study Yang/Chen Tai Chi and we learn the Martial applications, Weapons, the eight energies, etc. I have an excellent Sifu!
taichifist 3 years ago
I think he was just referring to the view of taiji in the eyes of the public, yes there are amazing teachers still out there, but they are few and far between, you end up with a lot of airy fairy practitioners who think they know how to fight after doing the form and some push hands and they end up getting hurt, or further discounting taiji to the martial community
MaQingYi 3 years ago
Hi MaQingYi,
OK, I'll buy that one! No harm done. Thanks!!
TaiChiFist
taichifist 3 years ago
i must say that it is quite nice to hear from people who are also continuing genuine taiji education though :), its very reassuring
MaQingYi 3 years ago
Hi MaQingYi,
You bet!! Same here! I have an excellent Sifu, who has Outstanding Sifu's that he trains with. We do reap the benefits of that!
Tai Chi Chuan is my Martial Art!
TaiChiFist
taichifist 3 years ago
They look like fags touching and dancing with each other
swimhurl 3 years ago
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looks gay
GernotFrisch 3 years ago
You won't see many taijiquan players fighting because they are smart and are interested in self preservation of themselves, their family and their country, which is what martial arts were designed for in the first place. This system was used by Chinese/Manchu troops for hand to hand combat. There are some MMA, BJJ practicers who carry a large ego about toyland combat not real combat. Try to get a BJJ fighter outside of a gym without comfy mats to play on. We'll see who gets smashed then.
bujitaijiquan 3 years ago 3
That reminds me of a quote - "It's a different game when your mat is the pavement."
drewdman 3 years ago
true, his enemy is his own lower nature. But thats not to say its altogether wrong resorting to fighting with someone.
gringolazlo 3 years ago
well said...thankyou
poecrazy 3 years ago
well we should remember how Yang chen fu and many others of the Yang & Chen families would take up numerous challenges
imbrd 3 years ago
If one never fights, are they not unbeatable?
A true warrior is a man of peace.
drewdman 3 years ago 27
that comment made me smile, the same smile i smile when i read words of wisdom.
XIPM3 3 years ago 2
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@drewdman "If one never fights, are they not unbeatable?" No.
Also "A true warrior is a man of peace."? It's a nice sentiment, but again, no.
Although I would say that a true warrior often has the option of peace, when a less skillful person would have to fight.
wilfthehairy 9 months ago
@drewdman Exactly true. Lao Tsu would have agreed with what you say.
almagore1 6 months ago
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If tai chi masters are so good, why don't they show their skills against real fighters like boxer or cage fighter.Because they will get smashed, it is one thing to demonstrate against a whimp but it is another to go for the real thing.Tai chi is beautiful and good for relaxation but useless in a real fight,people are put in danger when told they can defend themselves with it.
erg006 3 years ago
Boxing and cage fighting is not real street survival. the fact that most tai chi masters live well into an old age with no injuries should be considered. But I will say that most of what passes for tai chi chuan today is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. The real fighting aspect of the art is slowing being lost. Look for traditional clips and not the health only clips. Cheng Man Ching was legit as are most of his students. Check out clips from Moontagu.
preacher48 3 years ago 2
There is no reason for a Tai Chi master to "show his skills." In not fighting, he has won. Martial skill is to preserve inner and outer peace. If I can end a fight in seconds, peace has returned that much faster. MMA is a sport (one I love). It is for the fans and it has rules. If Randy Couture attacked Prof. Chen in an alley, he would loose. But the point of being unbeatable is that you never need to fight. I encourage you to investigate Taoism for a better understanding of the philosophy.
drewdman 3 years ago 5
I' d like to believe it but as long as i don' t see a tai chi master against a real fighter i' ll not be conviced.By the way no one is unbeatable
erg006 3 years ago
I think you don't understand it.. How do you want to fight with 76 years old? if you want to fight then start Karate, Jiu Jitsu, Judo or anything else.. But if you want to feel better with you and practising an art when you're very old then start with tai chi or chi kung.
Karnic 3 years ago
You're right, nobody is truly "unbeatable," in the classic sense, but wouldn't you agree that a man who doesn't fight is "unbeatable" simply because you can't beat someone unless you fight them? I think Tai Chi is better than MMA for true defense because Tai Chi makes you slippery like a snake. MMA uses strength and skill, something that won't help if you grab a serpent by the tail. Tai Chi teaches you to be like the snake and to be like water, elusive, slippery, changeable.
drewdman 3 years ago 2
I would like to know the meaning of the tassle I see on these swords. Often it appears they are different colours, is it just a matter of preference?
Bigredgumball 4 years ago
The colors are mostly a matter of preference. The tassels themselves actually have function: the real ones are attached to weighted balls that can be tossed, sweeping the tassel at an opponent's face, for example, or wrapping it around his wrist to gain control of his sword hand. Mastering the use of the tassel is not easy.
DeviSamit 3 years ago
the art of push hands seem to be hard to understand.
Yin and Yang means hard and soft.
If you fight soft and soft it is actually quite hard to achieve the full potential.
MrPinoy91 4 years ago
1)yin(soft) yang(hard)- dont confuse these two
2)you will never ever have 'soft vs soft'- there is always at least 1 yang(hard/agressive). in a 'yang(hard/tense) vs yang', it become contest of strength and greater yang will win. but in 'yang vs yin', yin will overcome yang b/c hard can never sense soft.
the more relaxed u are, the more balanced + the greater ur potential. then u can sense & uproot ur oponent
imbrd 3 years ago
I think this may be another way of saying that where there's yin, there always exists yang in inverse proportion (i.e., 70% yang, 30% yin. This isn't a matter of choice but a universal law, like gravity. The challenge is in learning to find yang within yin and vice versa. It may not be easy to find, but it's always there. Yang is relatively predictable and linear, whereas yin adapts and is flexible and sensitive. Understanding this is the key to neutralizing force.
DeviSamit 3 years ago
chen's these days
shawnpepin 4 years ago
HELP! looking for someone who knows this style taichi and happens to live in vegas. the only form of tai chi that i want to learn
osheen18 4 years ago
Sorry, don't know any teachers of CMC style in Vegas, but since it may be the most widely practiced style in America, you might be able to find someone. It takes a long time to develop high skill at this style, so look for someone with 10-15 years of experience at least.
DeviSamit 4 years ago
it's hard to find CMC style. Easier to find in the east coast and san fran. 10-15yrs is good advice. Thanks
osheen18 4 years ago
I met a cab driver in LV once, who was a chen stylist -- we talked about it and we pulled over and he showed me his form. Very good! Take more cabs, maybe you will find him.
profetik858 4 years ago 2
hopefully he went off clock for you...lol...but very cool
poecrazy 3 years ago
One of the students at the Chinese Shao-lin Center I go to is a cab driver and if you walk by within arms length of him, he'll tear ya up just to practice but he's a great guy for being 50 something and 230 some odd pounds.
wolfmanjack1988 3 years ago
Are you refferring to Rolli perhaps?
Lucy1nTheSky 3 years ago
William C C Chen in the Chelsea area of NYC is a senior disicple of CMC. He has been teaching for over 50 years. I heard there was some other great Tai Chi guy in California but I forgot his name; I think it was in a book "The Ultimate Tai Chi" or soemthing like that =/
zhugeliang207 3 years ago
hi, thanks for responding, i finally found someone who teaches this style my in mytown.. i've been with him for a couple of months now and im back on track. do u study ?
osheen18 3 years ago
I just met William C. C. Chen in his studio in midtown Manhattan last week, and he is totally, unbelievably awesome in his movements. I was astounded at the beauty and effortless of his movement. He is attentive, available, and very personal in his teaching style. It was an honor to be in his class.
ffferol 3 years ago
as a result, even though a lot of ppl in the world practice CMC's taichi, few get the real deal. If the CMC taichi you experience can't break one's arms and neck, or seriously hurt someone bad with ease, (push ppl away DOESN'T COUNT!!) then it's not the real CMC taichi.
tywng 4 years ago 2
the point of the demonstration isnt about pushing or shoving someone- its about controlling the center while rooting your own. w/o a stable center power, strength, speed, and technique become not only rigid but greatly diminished. if one can control the oponents center while rooting one's own, possibilities abound.
but even the push is not so simple- it is not brute strength against brute strength
imbrd 4 years ago
It is somewhat like a Chinese tradition for teachers to hold the secrets for "real" students who need to go through some rituals and even take oath. I learned from my teacher that this is how it was with CMC and some of his students too. Now, this is not to say CMC is the greatest master in the 20th century, but he was far more powerful than the video shows, that's for sure
tywng 4 years ago
The I met many of CMC's students and experienced really weird things. Right now the teacher I'm with studies only CMC's taichi in his life, he can easily knock someone unconscious (or more) with a single hit. Trust me, it's not a "push," it's a solid hit that hurts really bad. The techniques he uses, however, can't be found anywhere in CMC's videos or books... the main principles are there, but the real tricks aren't
tywng 4 years ago
Just a few words to say. Abt 8 yrs ago I started learning CMC's taichi. There was a time I was skeptical about its martial aspect too -- so what if we can "push" someone away? plus the videos looked somewhat useless to me. TBC
tywng 4 years ago
nice
Abazovic 4 years ago
I can testify that Professor Cheng was one of the great masters of the 20th century. Few who knew him would dispute this. The unspectacular appearance of his form shows not nonchalance but integral wholeness. No one in their right mind would ever have attacked him. He was joyful, generous and modest--he never called himself "master," and all his students called him "Professor" or, with great respect, "the Old Man." 37 years later, I'm still mining the gold of his teaching.
DeviSamit 4 years ago 2
are you qualified to testify?
have you ever seen a real great master of the 20th century?
trhy 4 years ago
We could go round and round on this: Are YOU qualified to say what Professor Cheng was or was not? Did you ever experience him in life, or are you just going on hearsay? Video can only show you so much. And yes, I've met other great masters. A couple of them were also great teachers, which isn't the same as being a master, and in terms of propagation of the art, it's far more important.
DeviSamit 4 years ago 2
37 years later, you are still mining the gold of his teaching? have you ever heard of the story about the frog at the bottom of a well?
trhy 4 years ago
Not sure what your problem is. I was Professor Cheng's student, saw and experienced some amazing things firsthand, and that's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. Tell you what: If your knowledge is greater than the Professor's, I'll come and study with you. But so far all I've seen is a lot of pooh-poohing and nay-saying. Unless you've got something creative to contribute, I'm done with you.
DeviSamit 4 years ago
hmm.. according to your bio, you are 47 years old. Professor Cheng die in overseas in 1975 which means you were about 15 years old..
Hmm. I think you are jiving these folks...
KungFuGato 4 years ago
Actually that age is incorrect. Like many people signing in to YouTube, I chose not to reveal accurate information about myself out of a desire to protect my identity. But I'll reveal it here. I'm 62 (about to turn 63 in 2 days), and I studied at Shr Jung, Professor's school, starting in 1974 when I was 29.
DeviSamit 4 years ago 2
Then, you must remember that Professor Cheng moved to Taiwan to publish his book on the Yi Ch'uan (commentary on the Book of Changes) in 1974 and die in Taiwan in 1975..
I've created a site for Professor Cheng' honor at chengmanchingdotcom..
Good luck with your practice
KungFuGato 4 years ago
That's right. I only had a couple of months with Professor at most. Largely I studied with his senior students, Ed Young, Maggie Newman, Tam Gibbs (after Tam returned from Taiwan), and Lou Kleinsmith, who I consider my main teacher. I only had five years with Lou, though, until he passed in January 1980.
DeviSamit 4 years ago
Nice catch, though. Just the sort of thing I'd look for.
DeviSamit 4 years ago
一代大师经典示范, 谢谢你的分享, 功德无量!
Pingtanke 4 years ago 2
you don't have to be a Tai Chi master to beat someone ready to be beaten.
dazizai 4 years ago
daz, what you say is true, so often in these demo vids we see cooperative students being polite to their teachers. However if you know anything about chinese MA then you should know that this man was challenged many times by people with no respect and was never beaten. Respect the true masters. PS I didnt know Maggie was so hot back in the day! She used to come to my school for private lessons from my teacher, Wai Yip Lam, before he passed(this was like 3-4 years ago).
doctorrey 4 years ago
"you should know that this man was challenged many times by people with no respect and was never beaten"
Or so he says... THIS idiot claimed the same thing: /watch?v=tib2Urowsdc
It's amazing how easily fooled people can be, and even more amazing how people fool themselves!
lennyhipp 4 years ago
Ha... comparing these two videos is completely ridiculous. Having been fortunate to meet a practitioner of this form who studied briefly with the professor himself, I can assure you, he was the real deal. However do you really expect that the best martial artists are just going to let their true knowledge be filmed for something like this? Do a little research on Jackie Chan for example... what you see in the movies is not what he practices behind closed doors.
drummachinessuck 4 years ago 4
Unlike that other person that you have claimed chen man ching is very well documented. Especially in a country where any belief is questioned.
cfG21 4 years ago
I know his students were not cooperative, they just needed a better teacher.Look how they stand, if they were not knock out by someone, they would kneel down by themself anyway.
trhy 4 years ago
Most look but do not see.
tomvanhastings 4 years ago
The girl at 2.20 is seriously hot!!
arcticfox1 4 years ago
The "girl" at 2.20 is Maggie Newman, one of Chen Man Ch'ing's senior students. You could probably find her studio in New York. I believe she's 83 now. :-)
sfcoastguy 4 years ago
yes he is hot:)you are right:)
supralee 4 years ago
yeah id like see him fight a boxer too!!! it be nice to see the old man kill someone effortlessly. lol always nice to see a comment from someone whos probably usually a victim. lol.. a direct punch even slightly deflected would lose a considerable amount of power (but then again u probably always get hit directly in the face..lol)and u cant throw a punch properly if your opponent keeps u off balance. (no foundation=no power). see him fight a boxer or anyone else indeed...lol
GoldenShaolinNutz 4 years ago
you see any death matches in your guys reality tv world? i guess not coz the victims are always the ones thinking there are rules. keep watching that reality tv so your thumbs will be strong from the remote...lol stupid victims.
GoldenShaolinNutz 4 years ago
internal arts are on a whole nother plane above external arts. The internal arts require not only a strong threshold of physical strength, but the understanding and utilization of internal forces, concepts, and organs such as chi and dan'tien.
These "slow arts" as some people call them, are practiced slow only for the training- and after a certain amount of this training, the persons become many times quicker than any persons of external arts
imbrd 4 years ago
Thanks for the inspiring words. Regarding the idiot, don't worry about him! I'll kick his ass, if you like?
narayanr 4 years ago
gotta love ppl who base ppls fightin skill on how they would 'fight' in ring with rules and gloves ect (u know he knows how to kill/maim and u can see skill if u bothered lookin).. altho sayin that u might as well just shoot some1 out of ring..
DustyFrog 4 years ago
an inspiration..check out Heaven Man Earth Taiji for great push hands too!
madinternalist 4 years ago
I would have liked to see him fight a boxer.
guynamedtroy 4 years ago
he is really great master ! you can take him as reference to compare with others, many of them just knows little about taichi. To reach this level you need intelligence
backboy2007 4 years ago
I have been pushed by a Tai Chi Master (genuine master) and let me tell you it is not make believe. Unfortunately to reach that level in Tai chi means you have to devote your entire life to it and most modern people wont do that!
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
wow, if you like what you doing in the martial arts, than keep doing it, it should be about independent growth, we all go threw different level threw our life, we all have bad days and good days, i hope if i have to fight i am having a good day, lol
SifuPat 4 years ago
Im sure people dissing this video have never attempted push hands against serious opponets. You can see by the way Chen launches these guys that he's not just shoving them away.
thejamesholz 4 years ago
hahah cool
cheng09 4 years ago
kungfufreddy where in the u.k are you?
vetsa456 4 years ago
I am pissed right off with people slating cheng's art.I am no "new ager"and will seriously meet and fight any one who is dumb enough to comment on something they clearly can not fathom.Don't complain if you get your lips bit off and i leave with your balls in my hand.You prick's.
vetsa456 4 years ago
do it
12 newton street
manchester
UK
saturdays 5:30
thursdays 5:30
sundays 12:30
come
i dare you
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
I have practiced Man-Chings form for 28 years, plus in mirror version.
hawkwindthinman 4 years ago
CMC was a student of Yang Cheng Fu for only a few years (at best)... not the disciple so many claim him to be. his pushes look like hard shoves... not explosive peng jing.
drdankness 4 years ago
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is this guy teaching students who can fight ?
or has he competed in a proper tournament and won ?
no ?
then he shouldn't teach
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
Because martial arts is all about fighting and winning tournaments right?
p00kietanuki 4 years ago
You DickHead.
shengchenfan 4 years ago
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big deal i offended you
like i care hahah
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
yes "martial" arts are about fighting
and i doubt what he does compares with valetudo/mma
so there fore he isnt good
the logic is simple
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
The internal martial arts and some of the filipino arts isn't really for show fighting..since it was strikly inventet for survival by killing the opponent. It is not a punch for punch martial art like valetudo and such. You cant really compare them like that.
Taichi is mostly dirty fighting and wouldn't be allowed in an mma fight.
MasOlai 4 years ago
dude, vale tudo was a circus side show...comparable to wwf.
vainman 2 years ago
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thats why it translates as "anything goes" and is made up of real fighters hitting each other for real....okay ahah
tho personally i'd put my money on a wwe wrestler winning against chen manching
kungfufreddy 2 years ago
oh, my. I see you don't speak Portuguese. Vale tudo is roughly translated as everything has value. Its origins are in a circus sideshow, where brazillian jujitsu came from. By the way, brazilian jujitsu is actually judo.
Why do you think a vale tudi fighter would be so much better than Chen Manching? You haven't touched either, have you?
vainman 2 years ago 4
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i train MMA. brazillian jiu jutsu is JJ that focuses on ground work which judop doesnt much at least compettitively anyway because it focuses on getting the pin and slamming people which are very valid methods btw.
when we go vale tudo it means we go hard with minimum gear and little rules.
i think almost any MMA fighter (professional) would smash chen's face in with ease.
i've trained taiji before (properly not dance)
kungfufreddy 2 years ago
three comments,
Brazilian Jujitsu is a direct descendant art of judo.
I understand what you mean by vale tudo, but you should understand the history behind it.
You obviously did not train taiji correctly, or you would not think so lowly of it.
One question, why such vehemence to Chen?
vainman 2 years ago 4
I agree with you fully.
WarriorOfTheBlackSun 2 years ago
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no special hatred of chen.
judo is a brilliant art
i trained chen taiji, it sucked balls.
kungfufreddy 2 years ago
You certainly seemed that way in your previous posts. I personlly don't like judo too much(preference), like the original, jujitsu.
I study Yang style, and like it quite a bit...sorry to hear about your experience with Chen.
vainman 2 years ago
u need to be more humble and open minded towards the arts. it may not have been right for you but u dont have to speak so disrespectfully of it.
stevieb8006 2 years ago 4
A style doesn't suck, a practitioner does
littlecannon 2 years ago 23
ha ha.
WarriorOfTheBlackSun 2 years ago
Hm... You do know that you have never trained under a Fajin Taijichuan Teacher right? Obviously you dont understand how rigorous the real Tai Chi is... Fajin Taijichuan has alot of sharp and strong movements... All movements deriving from snapping... The ground as a power circuit... The hips as a power outlet.. The arms as displacement...
BaguaStudent1 2 years ago 2
Tai Chi Practitioners have some of the sharpest hits when it comes to fighting... Before a normal fighter can go for the second punch the energy would have been redirected and most likely be down due to a liver shot... I suggest studying REAL tai chi and finding it out in fights yourself...
BaguaStudent1 2 years ago
VERY Immature perspective of martial arts. Ignorance always has the loudest mouth!
temu09 4 years ago 2
yes because u can see how loud i type
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
WOW almost every comment started with a reference of self. A wise man once said Tai chi can help you get good at Breakdancing LOL
cyclonejones 5 years ago
Cheng (or his students, I don't know) started a relatively geriatric phenonmena in taiji, discrediting the martial aspects of the art; too bad to. This form looks great (no-sit back to turn into BKTS).
srs8fish 5 years ago
The Zheng Manqing form and the 24/48 postures forms are most often the styles used by New Agers. Typically, a nutty New Ager will not spend the time and effort learning the Yang-style long form, whether Chengfu's or any other, so to some extent "real" Yang-style is almost pure even now.
blackjamm 5 years ago
I'm a chen style practioner and til now i really never thought much of master cheng man chings ability as a martial artist, other than willam cc chen yang style is still very much directed towards new age health.
How ever put this out good for you and your system...
joetaichi 5 years ago
The man's real name is Zheng Manqing, but in any case, it's great to see this. I have studied the Yang Chengfu long form for many years, but it is nothing compared to him. Zheng Manqing, Yang Chengfu and Fu Zhongwen - without these guys, Yang style taijiquan would be barely heard of, and I may not have had the opportunity to study it.
blackjamm 5 years ago
Would strongly caution about fencing wihout the usage of a mask, as it is extremely easy to score a hit against an eye for anyone familiar with the art.
rothcroi 5 years ago
This is great! CMC doing push hands, sword form, sword sparring and short form- a gold mine for Yang practioners!
steveg219 5 years ago
Chen Manching's 37 short form is the Tai-Chi system I am currently studying. My master's master's master is Chen Manching himself. Thank you for uploading. I actually own the complete DVD.
tubevmaster 5 years ago
Master Cheng's name is referred as Cheng Man-Ch'ing, I have his T'AI CHI CH'UAN published by North Atlantic Books..CA.. for further studying purpose..
May I know where I can get his DVD?
Thanks! 10-13-06
twncycas 5 years ago
Please contact me via private message.
I may mail you a copy of the DVD if you'd like. I got it from my Master.
tubevmaster 5 years ago
I would like to get a copy of this video. I have studied with Cheng's third generation students for over 12 years. For those who doubt his abilities and the students (who I can name if anyone is interested), you should read the various accounts from those who knew him: Robert W. Smith, Benjamin Lo, TT Liang, Maggie Newman, Wolf Lowenthal, Chen Wen Ming, etc.
justuspercussion 4 years ago
longrivertaichi
tomvanhastings 4 years ago
This is most interesting,thanks for the postings.
Vanpur 5 years ago