lol, if he was not moving forward up a hill, these comments would actually make sense. But I don't hear the rev limiter, the rpms are moving up and down with the traction. As far as starting in 2nd gear, he could have an automatic for all anybody knows.
@l337pwnage As for starting in second in an automatic if this is one, if you select 2 on the shifter in a Mondeo auto, it will be locked in second (not go above or below second gear).
@timb901 Since a Mondeo appears to be a Ford car, I kinda doubt that unless it is some sort of special feature either desired or mandated where that model is sold. If it has a tachometer, it would be easy enough to test, however.
@l337pwnage Yes it is a Ford and it is sold in Europe where parts of it have snow/ice. It is true because my Mondeos (manual) handbook has information on the auto transmissions and explains how to use it in slippery situations such as snow by selecting second which is obviously to reduce torque (some other comments). Some Mondeo autos are also 5 speed tiptronic.
@timb901 The most likely reason for the owner's manual to say that is so that the car is not shifting up to 3rd or higher gear while the inexperienced driver is pressing the gas trying to make the car move forward. If the car is limited to 2nd gear, the engine will rev up giving the driver and audible clue that he should (hopefully) back off the throttle and let the tires get some traction.
@l337pwnage No it isn't. Our Toyota Prado and Landcruiser both have a 2nd gear start button but that is meant offroading in low range. It is not hard on an electrically controlled transmission. On the Mondeo which has a 4 cylinder option and the engine is definitely audible at 5000rpm does have this feature, just controlled differently. Yes I know that the owners manuals can have bullshit in them but it clearly says that you can do that. In drive it will go below obviously otherwise you ...
@timb901 I know they -could- make it work that way, it is just that I've never seen an auto that works that way. The most unusual thing I've seen, other than special shifter options, was some early 4 speed autos in the '80s in Fords did not allow you manually shift to 1st. 1-2 was one position and the only way in or out of 1st was decided by they tranny.
If your Toyotas also have that, that makes me think it might be mandated by your government. i've never heard of it before.
@l337pwnage Na the govt doesn't specify anything like that, I was just using it as an example of other vehicles that can do similar things but the Toyota is mainly designed for off roading in low range where first is too low or you want to take off smoother. I know it is unusual but quite a good idea. I don't know what Fords you are talking about but I would think that that would be bloody dangerous not being able select 1st - if you need engine braking for what ever reason.
@timb901 My personal reason why I think some Fords were like that is that interior was not designed for the 4 positions of a 4 speed yet and the cars then used either 3 or 4 speeds depending on the model and options. I think instead altering the interior, they just didn't let the shifter go all they way down to 1st.
4 speeds back then had very low 1st gears, they often weren't used at speeds much over 20 mph, if you need compression braking at that speed, you have problems. ;)
@timb901 I can share an interesting experience I had in an '84 Chev Camaro 4 speed auto which you could shift into all four gears. One of the first 4 speed autos I rode in. We were downshifting it manually just to see what speeds each gear was "comfortable" in. At 15 mph we dropped it into 1st, this locked up the rear end and the car skidded on dry pavement until the engine had enough time to increase rpms to match the wheel speed at that gear ratio. I was surprised 1st was so low.
@l337pwnage A few weeks ago my old man was driving his Hilux in snow down a mountain pass following about three other cars. Because they were all going so slowly, he wasn't concentrating and changed into 1st a bit early. He wasn't in 4wd at the time and the back locked up and took off sideways. He flicked it back to 2nd and pulled it into 4wd and regained control, but the idiot in the van behind him was following too close and when Dad skidded, he slammed on the brakes and ended up in the ditch
@l337pwnage I suppose 1st is low to try and get good acceleration from standstill.
And at your other comment, about some Fords not changing to 1st on the selector, if you ever needed to shift into 1st, you definitely have a problem such as brake failure, hence why it is dangerous.
@timb901 Where I'm from, the hills are not big enough to be dangerous, so that is why I did not understand your point of view. I understand your concerns if you live in a mountainous region. I would think automatic transmissions, in general, would not be popular in terrain like that due to the possibility of overheating.
@l337pwnage Yea the modern autos aren't too bad, especially the ones with trans coolers. It isn't that mountainous but some people just have no idea about using engine braking when descending the hills. We actually have a high automatic ownership rate (New Zealand) but I think the main reason for that is we have a lot of Japanese imports.
@timb901 For a gear ratio reference, the 1978 Oldsmobile I had at the time shifted from 1st to 2nd at 45 mph at WOT. Probably about the same as what 2nd gear is on most new automatics.
If you want to hear about a weird tranny, '80's Corvettes had a 4+3, or 7 possible gears. They combined a 4 speed manual with an automatic 2 speed overdrive transmission behind it.
the gears you had were R, 1, 2, 2OD, 3, 3OD, 4, & 4OD.
@timb901 Ok, I found something on Wiki about it. While Wiki is certainly not most reliable source of info, I'll take it for something this trivial. ;)
"Second (2 or S) This mode limits the transmission to the first two gear ratios, or locks the transmission in second gear on Ford, Kia, and Honda models. "
I guess I can learn something new once in a while. ;)
@timb901 Does it work like that in other gears, or just 2nd? I"m assuming it probably has at least 4 gears plus a locking torque converter. Most modern cars do.
@l337pwnage What car newer than 2000 doesn't have a tach (unless its a budget pos like a Yaris or something). Besides you can easily tell by the engine sound anyway.
@timb901 I've been in some -VERY- quiet cars that were very difficult to tell when they shifted gear all the way up to highway speeds. But this sounds like a budget car with a 4 popper, so I imagine the engine is probably pretty audible.
I guess I wouldn't be surprised that the owner's manual might say that, but I certainly would not infer that it starts in second because of that. Owner's manuals say some pretty odd things sometimes. They are written for mechanically disinclined people.
higher gears arent useless i agree with mufc655 and also i have a dad who has been driving for over 40 years and done all his driving in the army for 15 years in worse conditons then this and he even says you always put cars in a higher gear on snow and ice to prevent wheelspin not keep it in 1st and rev the bollocks out the engine!
well... that is true.. but then if the snow is nice and flattened already then its still quite easy for the engine's low torque, which is quite high actually, will probably slip ..
You're using way to little throttle. When you can hear your valves knocking on heavens door, it's enough.. ;0)
No, I'm just kidding. As little throttle as possible, and as high gear as possible, and you can go pretty much anywhere you want.
Un4Given71 7 months ago
Newfi style. "Give er guys, give er" lol.
justinlynch3 9 months ago
Keep it straight!
573W1E6R1FF1N 11 months ago
lol, if he was not moving forward up a hill, these comments would actually make sense. But I don't hear the rev limiter, the rpms are moving up and down with the traction. As far as starting in 2nd gear, he could have an automatic for all anybody knows.
l337pwnage 1 year ago
@l337pwnage As for starting in second in an automatic if this is one, if you select 2 on the shifter in a Mondeo auto, it will be locked in second (not go above or below second gear).
timb901 5 months ago
@timb901 Since a Mondeo appears to be a Ford car, I kinda doubt that unless it is some sort of special feature either desired or mandated where that model is sold. If it has a tachometer, it would be easy enough to test, however.
l337pwnage 5 months ago
@l337pwnage Yes it is a Ford and it is sold in Europe where parts of it have snow/ice. It is true because my Mondeos (manual) handbook has information on the auto transmissions and explains how to use it in slippery situations such as snow by selecting second which is obviously to reduce torque (some other comments). Some Mondeo autos are also 5 speed tiptronic.
timb901 5 months ago
@timb901 The most likely reason for the owner's manual to say that is so that the car is not shifting up to 3rd or higher gear while the inexperienced driver is pressing the gas trying to make the car move forward. If the car is limited to 2nd gear, the engine will rev up giving the driver and audible clue that he should (hopefully) back off the throttle and let the tires get some traction.
l337pwnage 5 months ago
@l337pwnage spell check, I mean *an*
l337pwnage 5 months ago
@l337pwnage No it isn't. Our Toyota Prado and Landcruiser both have a 2nd gear start button but that is meant offroading in low range. It is not hard on an electrically controlled transmission. On the Mondeo which has a 4 cylinder option and the engine is definitely audible at 5000rpm does have this feature, just controlled differently. Yes I know that the owners manuals can have bullshit in them but it clearly says that you can do that. In drive it will go below obviously otherwise you ...
timb901 5 months ago
@timb901 I know they -could- make it work that way, it is just that I've never seen an auto that works that way. The most unusual thing I've seen, other than special shifter options, was some early 4 speed autos in the '80s in Fords did not allow you manually shift to 1st. 1-2 was one position and the only way in or out of 1st was decided by they tranny.
If your Toyotas also have that, that makes me think it might be mandated by your government. i've never heard of it before.
l337pwnage 5 months ago
@l337pwnage Na the govt doesn't specify anything like that, I was just using it as an example of other vehicles that can do similar things but the Toyota is mainly designed for off roading in low range where first is too low or you want to take off smoother. I know it is unusual but quite a good idea. I don't know what Fords you are talking about but I would think that that would be bloody dangerous not being able select 1st - if you need engine braking for what ever reason.
timb901 5 months ago
@timb901 My personal reason why I think some Fords were like that is that interior was not designed for the 4 positions of a 4 speed yet and the cars then used either 3 or 4 speeds depending on the model and options. I think instead altering the interior, they just didn't let the shifter go all they way down to 1st.
4 speeds back then had very low 1st gears, they often weren't used at speeds much over 20 mph, if you need compression braking at that speed, you have problems. ;)
l337pwnage 5 months ago
@timb901 I can share an interesting experience I had in an '84 Chev Camaro 4 speed auto which you could shift into all four gears. One of the first 4 speed autos I rode in. We were downshifting it manually just to see what speeds each gear was "comfortable" in. At 15 mph we dropped it into 1st, this locked up the rear end and the car skidded on dry pavement until the engine had enough time to increase rpms to match the wheel speed at that gear ratio. I was surprised 1st was so low.
l337pwnage 5 months ago
@l337pwnage A few weeks ago my old man was driving his Hilux in snow down a mountain pass following about three other cars. Because they were all going so slowly, he wasn't concentrating and changed into 1st a bit early. He wasn't in 4wd at the time and the back locked up and took off sideways. He flicked it back to 2nd and pulled it into 4wd and regained control, but the idiot in the van behind him was following too close and when Dad skidded, he slammed on the brakes and ended up in the ditch
timb901 5 months ago
@l337pwnage I suppose 1st is low to try and get good acceleration from standstill.
And at your other comment, about some Fords not changing to 1st on the selector, if you ever needed to shift into 1st, you definitely have a problem such as brake failure, hence why it is dangerous.
timb901 5 months ago
@timb901 Where I'm from, the hills are not big enough to be dangerous, so that is why I did not understand your point of view. I understand your concerns if you live in a mountainous region. I would think automatic transmissions, in general, would not be popular in terrain like that due to the possibility of overheating.
l337pwnage 5 months ago
@l337pwnage Yea the modern autos aren't too bad, especially the ones with trans coolers. It isn't that mountainous but some people just have no idea about using engine braking when descending the hills. We actually have a high automatic ownership rate (New Zealand) but I think the main reason for that is we have a lot of Japanese imports.
timb901 5 months ago
@timb901 For a gear ratio reference, the 1978 Oldsmobile I had at the time shifted from 1st to 2nd at 45 mph at WOT. Probably about the same as what 2nd gear is on most new automatics.
If you want to hear about a weird tranny, '80's Corvettes had a 4+3, or 7 possible gears. They combined a 4 speed manual with an automatic 2 speed overdrive transmission behind it.
the gears you had were R, 1, 2, 2OD, 3, 3OD, 4, & 4OD.
Not a very popular transmission. ;)
l337pwnage 5 months ago
@timb901 Ok, I found something on Wiki about it. While Wiki is certainly not most reliable source of info, I'll take it for something this trivial. ;)
"Second (2 or S) This mode limits the transmission to the first two gear ratios, or locks the transmission in second gear on Ford, Kia, and Honda models. "
I guess I can learn something new once in a while. ;)
l337pwnage 5 months ago
@timb901 Does it work like that in other gears, or just 2nd? I"m assuming it probably has at least 4 gears plus a locking torque converter. Most modern cars do.
l337pwnage 5 months ago
@l337pwnage ...couldn't take off but second is not too much harder for it. It just makes it more gentler.
timb901 5 months ago
@l337pwnage What car newer than 2000 doesn't have a tach (unless its a budget pos like a Yaris or something). Besides you can easily tell by the engine sound anyway.
timb901 5 months ago
@timb901 I've been in some -VERY- quiet cars that were very difficult to tell when they shifted gear all the way up to highway speeds. But this sounds like a budget car with a 4 popper, so I imagine the engine is probably pretty audible.
I guess I wouldn't be surprised that the owner's manual might say that, but I certainly would not infer that it starts in second because of that. Owner's manuals say some pretty odd things sometimes. They are written for mechanically disinclined people.
l337pwnage 5 months ago
learn to drive you dick
yahoopig 1 year ago
Easy on the revs man, jeez.
RPKGameVids 1 year ago
omg learn to drive how does reving the engine help
MattieKirby1 1 year ago
stupid man shit
lukasz6661 1 year ago
have you heard of L or 1 or 2. this means you put in it in low gear dumbass.
d10230 2 years ago
@d10230 nope, we're not american. we drive proper cars with manual transmissions
condowallace 1 year ago
@d10230 fails
xxmrbloodxx 1 year ago
i love how people who don't know how to drive in snow and ice try to help each other out. England sucks
WhiteWizard28 2 years ago
higher gears arent useless i agree with mufc655 and also i have a dad who has been driving for over 40 years and done all his driving in the army for 15 years in worse conditons then this and he even says you always put cars in a higher gear on snow and ice to prevent wheelspin not keep it in 1st and rev the bollocks out the engine!
SuicideCyclist20 2 years ago
exactly, like lumoruk said, if you don't rev the engine more than required to move, you will have grip. higher gears are useless.
pashaahsj 3 years ago
how are higher gears useless they reduce torque making the wheels less likely to slip you need seeing to
mufc655 3 years ago
well... that is true.. but then if the snow is nice and flattened already then its still quite easy for the engine's low torque, which is quite high actually, will probably slip ..
:)
pashaahsj 3 years ago
yeah you have a point
mufc655 3 years ago
:) x 10
pashaahsj 3 years ago
higher gears are better genius that's why you're supposed to start in 2nd in the snow, less torque = less likely to wheelspin
janipewter 2 years ago 4
@janipewter spoken like a true driver : )
gtrracer9107 1 year ago
im so glad i have a 4x4
fordyjess 3 years ago
if they didn't rev the engine it would grip
lumoruk 3 years ago 11
when oh when will people learn how to drive in snow, its not hard to learn how to do FFS
Buttmunch5000 3 years ago