mycontext its not hard to look at the beginning chapters of deuteronomy where it CLEARLY STATES MOSES GIVING A SPEECH TO ISRAEL CHARGING THEM TO ESTABLISH JUDGES, LAWMAKERS,WAR COUNCILS etc as they were ABOUT TO INHERIT THE PROMISED LAND. as these were the authorities that will be in charge of building the nation of ISRAEL. EG.. MOSES DECLARED UNCLEAN FOODS THAT WERE NOT TO BE EATEN.... JESUS LATER CORRECTS THE JEWISH PRIESTS THAT ITS NOT WHAT GOES IN BUT WHAT COMES OUT THAT MAKES ON UNCLEAN lol
@6gunwalker "inherit" as in murder other people for their land! There's nothing that supports your claims with regard to ANY of the atrocities, since, at least one decided not to kill as directed and was punished for not killing all.
Please provide a reference regarding the release from the idea of unclean foods.
@MyContext throughout deutoronmy and exodus it shows kings and warlords who were rulers of lands that stood in the way of israels persuit of "the promised land".. eg. king Og ruled the lands before the crossing of the jordan river.. to pass a land permission had to be granted, if permission was not granted a stern warning was given to israel if the lands were crossed they and "THIER" families would be killed. and with reference to what makes a person unclean Mark 7:14-23.
@6gunwalker Are you nuts? If you were a king and just heard of a mass of armed people wanting to cross your land, you wouldn't think this was dangerous to your kingdom?
Given the outcomes presented the king was right! The people were rotten. Their intent was evil.
@MyContext umm thats what i said.... i raised the point of WHY OTHER ARMIES AND KINGDOMS ENGAGED ISRAEL IN BATTLE.... and your thinking from a advanced perspective looking back at primitive kingdoms who would DEFINITELY see crossing land as an insult... please try and think to how they WOULDVE THOUGHT... no dipolmacy, no conflict resolution..
im apalled at the lack of extension people allow themselves when reading the bible lol its as if they read it and have selective shallow understanding lol
@6gunwalker Suggesting that you do better when you ignore the atrocities in the bible, so you can hold on to the delusion that it is good - call a therapist quickly ...
@MyContext im sorry but i have to point out your lack of comprehension when it comes to the various books and ITS ENTIRETY not just verses here and there lol cherry picking without actully reading into what the whole book is all about... very disappointing
@6gunwalker The point of this fictional work is obedience regardless of how horrid. It is amoral at the core. The ideas (good, bad, & horrid) are not original. All of the peoples of that area at and before the time of the OT claimed fictional gods - the biblical god(s) were just as fictional.
@MyContext i hinted in one of my responses to this earlier.. the primitive decrees of the israelites in deutoronmy, levicticus, judges and so on were from MEN.. early lawmakers, judges appointed by moses to do the best job they knew how... jesus later on corrects those moses laws in how GOD ACTUALY WANTED IT. eg moses declared certain animals and food not to be eaten as it would make one unclean.. jesus blew this law out of the water by saying its not what goes in.. but what comes out
@6gunwalker The actions were apparently sanction by the bloody claim of god with no issue. Jesus is not depicted showing any of it wrong. Please give any reference of Jesus addressing unclean food. It will problably be a conflicted mess, but i do like to get things right...to the extent reason allows...
@MyContext too easy.. MARK 7. jewish leaders saw jesus and his deciples eating without cleansing thier hands.. as MOSES LAW demands that hands must be washed before eating... Jesus put this stupid law to bed by saying " nothing that comes from the outside can make a man unclean, as it goes in the stomach and exits out. RATHER ITS WHAT COMES FROM WITHIN.. OUT FROM A MANS HEART, EVIL THOUGHTS, THEFT, MURDER, ENVY" etc lol i love how God points out the rediculously stupid laws men make.
Gods true word that manifested in a human form is jesus.. if you want to know who God really is you look to jesus life.. nowhere does that promote evil, rape, slavery etc. love your neighbour as YOU LOVE YOURSELF.. thats hard to do in certain circumstances but is the answer to all of our problems
Ephesians 6:5-9 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
@MyContext this is an easy misconceived text that can be easily put to bed..... the terms slaves and masters in this context means employer and employee... these terms have always been used in those more ancient times.but when translated from the hebrew texts it refers to employer and employee.... a very trivial attempt but one that was easily put to rest.
@6gunwalker You might have a point if the passage did not make the distinction of slave or free. This would of course be ignoring the rules for treating slaves presented in other passages.
@MyContext you're trying to compare a more sophisticated society such as ours which is in fact a global society where we have technology to better ourselves to a society 2000yrs ago that wasnt global, primitive terms, primitive literacy by our standards.. so how would you expect those writers to use a more "politically correct way" of terms?? even today we are slaves to our debtors.. slaves to bank loans, capitalist society where nothing is free without money.. lol im a slave .. are you?
@6gunwalker I grant that we are at that. However, nothing better was presented in the bible. In fact it was considerably worse, since, given the claimed knowledge of the lord, it should have directed better...NO? We tend to do worse when we are ignorant as noted by the crime rates and religious rates of ignorant areas, there may be exceptions, however, this seems to be the general trend. There is no claim of perfection that stands given the atrocities claimed in the bible!
Matt 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
Let's see this shows that the OT is included in that "gods true word" claim that you are making. Which means Rape, Murder, Enslavement, as well as many other petty immoral acts are included even with Jesus... It is just not voiced loudly as the nicer soft sell items.
@MyContext lol you are trying to link this passage to the verse of deuteronomy lol but theres a big problem the LAW IN WHICH JESUS REFERS TO IS THE LAWS IN THE BOOK OF EXODUS. lol God never proclaims a law in deuteronomy.. this passage jesus reassures his follwers that he did not come to do away with the old law but to fulfill it. what law is that??? the ten commandments.. in which later he simplifys down to two. 1. love your God with all yr heart. 2 love yr neigbour as yrself.
@6gunwalker So, you are playing semantic games? So, it is commanded versus it is a law? So, none of what Jesus is claimed to have said should mean anything. So, the slavery is still considered acceptable? And the directives to JUST TAKE the land was what?
@MyContext i dont mean to disrespect your intellect but you dont know the correct context in various passages when it comes to a law from God and a decree from a man eg.. decrees from moses, joshua, king david, soloman etc... eg moses in deuteronomy decrees to israel that if any man is caught not observing the sabbath is to be put to death.. Jesus (Gods word in flesh) angers the jewish priest by healing on the sabbath saying "use your head! God demands mercy not foolish sacrafice" lol
@6gunwalker What is the point of worship to a creature that is supposedly perfect? What is the point of not teaching people to be better as opposed to a request for obedience? Obedience is not an inherently moral thing. If one does not CHOSE to do good of ones own accord, it cannot be called moral... it is amoral. Why believe in fairy tales? Talking animals? Man made tales? Atrocities? Clearly the product of human invention...
@MyContext we dont worship a creature, we worship a very powerful entity. obidience helps the cause of being moral.. if society today wasnt obidient to laws of the land in our given nations we would have rogue states, anarchy followed by whatever comes after... and fairy tales??? what is absurd to me is thinking we came out of randomness and unbelievable odds of chance we were formed from cells to fish to amphibions to reptile to apes lol like we will limbs to appear from no where
@6gunwalker If one does not CHOSE to do right, it CANNOT be said that the person doing whatever action is moral or immoral. The best that can be said is that they are AMORAL, since, they are not making any choice or notions about the matter. They are ONLY following orders.... wasn't that the line Hitler's men claimed?
Don't understand evolution, eh? Is a lack of education the problem? Do a bit a of research into the DETAILS of what is claimed. You can actually check it out.
@MyContext ??? you're assuming that the israelites could know what is right and what is wrong morally.... very easy to claim from your perspective since you know better today... but those days.. rape, sleeping with your own sister or mother, slavery etc no one could tell another what was right and what was wrong... it was all relativism.. very contradictive... and please RE EDUCATE ME IN EVOLUTION lol im dying to know the TRUTH.
@6gunwalker You really do need to ACTUALLY read the bible as it actually is as opposed to the special glasses you must be wearing to claim what you claim. Or you are actually lying about having read the bible. Which is actually the case? Since, I can't say that I ever believed, however, before I read the bible I did believe in belief in belief; which is NO LONGER THE CASE, since, I read it!
@MyContext please provide me the actual verse that Reads " God says to go and murder and rape the innocent" please. and dont think ill be holding my breath because you will not find anything.
@6gunwalker According to Deuteronomy, the commanded them to kill all the people for the actual "land being given" and the outskirts kill the men and take the women (which is rape if you have no choice, which they didn't) and children (enslaved).
It is clear that is claimed to be the lord according to fiction that is the bible.
@MyContext lol you are now making assumptions based on something that God clearly didnt say lol God told moses he will DELIVER ISRAELS ENEMIES INTO THIER HANDS. there is nothing in deuteronomy where it shows God commanding rape and murder. moses in the book tells israel that they must kill every soldier so that israel may not learn other gods which were detestable to God. moses commands this so they dont learn any bad habits
this critical analysis of dawkins book is absolutely correct as well as other atheistic high profilists... alot of incorrect information... for an example the illusionist penn jellete.. i heard him on an interview tell a complete lie when he said that Lot in the book of genisis watched his daughters get gang raped... thats an outright lie.. i was laughing at how confident he was at that story but was baffled at his outright lie ... made me think how disperate atheists can be
@MyContext yeah Lot offered his daughters to the locals off sodom in exchange that they dont touch his guests... it was a customory respect gesture towards his guests... Little did Lot know his guests were angels sent from the lord to level sodom n gomorah... many people especially atheists get the story absolutely wrong.. message of the story.. get out of the sodom n gomorah situation you are in because it will be leveled.
@6gunwalker If a group of people are slaughtered without having a basis for the action it is simply a genocide, since, there was no attempt to address the issues. Summary judgement was past and that was the end of it! Let's be clear... the god of the old testament didn't care about any group of people other than the "chosen people" it was like EVERY OTHER notion of god at the time, about the people who created the myth, which was the case for all of the people who believe in a god
@MyContext youre trying to be politically correct with the sodom and gomorah scenario... the bible tells of sodom and gomorahs evils and injustices crying out to God... you're applying politically correctness to a city that practiced all kinds of evil.. constant rape, constant murder, contant opression.. all injustices.. a people that take pleasure in tormenting others... do not try and apply the p.c b.s because it doesnt work.
@6gunwalker The rabbinical literature appears to be inconclusive, so they can only really be charged with the rape (and it seems cruelty separate from rape most likely), assuming one trusts the bible for such a notion. Does this justify an entity which is claimed to be all-good to do ANYTHING of the kind to any group with no justification, unless it was only about the chosen people? Since, it is clear that murder & rape were NOT AN issue to Yahweh as depicted.
@MyContext no God never supported any of those practices... no where in the bible does it show God saying that... these acts were all Israels own admissions.. when Jesus came along and fulfilled the law fr example.. he said " the law says thou shall not murder, but i tell you now if you look at your neighbour and hate him you are guilty of murder" the jewish priests hated him for saying this because it didnt fit with thier comfortible lifestyle. Gods word in flesh and blood jesus.
@6gunwalker Read Deuteronomy again. This book makes it clear that Yahweh was directing the actions that were claimed to have been taken. However, it should be noted that most of this book was probably made up in varying degrees to pump up Yahweh as the primary god as opposed to just one of their gods (Exodus 15:11, Psalms 86:8, Micah 7:18, Numbers 33:3, Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Psalms 95:3, Psalms135:5). If there weren't notions of other "existent" gods, the text would be different.
@MyContext ive read deuteronomy thoughly many a times and i can garantee you God does not evoke israel to these decrees... THE DECREES ARE ALL MADE BY ISRAELS LAWMAKERS in an attempt to bring a social system to a young nation who have just inherited the promised land... THE LAWMAKERS HAVE MADE THIER DECREES BASED ON THE SERMONS OF MOSES WHO DID NOT LIVE TO SEE THE PROMISED LAND. no where does it affirm God saying any of the decrees.. it is all manmade... simple as that..
@6gunwalker Apparently you don't read very well or you like to lie:
Deuteronomy 20:13-14 "And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones ... shalt thou take unto thyself."
Let's see... We have mass killing of the men... The women given the rules are raped and/or enslaved. The kids in theory are only enslaved with rape to come later...
@MyContext does God command in this sentence "to murder the innocent and rape?" the verse simply says "GOD HATH DELIVERED IT TO THINE HANDS" he has handed victory to the israelites even before the battle has become... he has never PROCLAIMED TO ISRAEL TO GO OUT MURDER AND RAPE.. is that not hard to see??? you are trying to make admissions that God has proclaimed evils to murder the innocent and rape. when hes commanding israel to defend itself or they be killed by the enemy.
@6gunwalker what use is it to say to israel go out and do a half hearted job against an enemy hellbent on destroying you? or lets do the atheistic way of politically correctness on the battlefield? lol you tell me if in times of war mankind needed to fight in order to maintain freedom, does israel not have the same right?
@6gunwalker Are you delusional or lying or what? There are passages where god/lord is presented giving directives as to how to conduct the campaign against the various groups....
@MyContext what? commands like "ive delivered thine enemies into thine hands?" "smite the enemy? lol what do you expect in times of war? charge and then start hugging them? it all has to do with the obidience and faith israel has in what God tells them.. as i said before and i still havnt recieved anything from you concerning this.. is show me where in the bible God commands slavery, rape, murder??? show me the actual passage where God openly says it.. crystal clear
The problem of course with biblical accuracy is simple. The idea that proof cannot prove the bible as it removes faith requires ignorance of facts to make it into a kingdom. Its hard for a logical mind to perceive how one enjoys heaven. Think for a moment, "streets of gold" I wonder how walking on metal streets barefoot would feel all day? "Eternity of praise", I wonder why god would need such praise? "No memory of pain" so I won't remember punishing my children or them learning? How strange.
I love discovering religotards on u tube that believe in the whole bible and take it literally i.e. talking snake, talking donkey, giants, supermen, 900 yr old Noah, kangaroos, penguins, termites on the ark, leviathans, tower of babel, zombies, angels, demons, prophecy, burning bush etc Have a nice life thinking the earth is the earth is flat you space cadets !!!
Dawkins and Hitchens are not credible.... therefore, god exists? And the "Philosophy" of the New Atheists? You're kidding right? There is NO SUCH THING. That's like saying the "Philosophy" of baseball players or the "Philosophy" of people who watch Gilligans Island. Atheism is NOT a philosophy, it's simply NOT believing in supernatural beings. "Objectivism" IS a Philosophy and because it is reality based, only an Atheist can be an Objectivist but I know many Atheists with bad philosophy.
Too long, didn't watch. But I discovered that you can jump to completely random points in the video and get the same crap in droves everywhere. A remarkable case of self similarity.
Does anyone love how many dislikes this video has? I love it! I find it so refershing when I see atheists flock to these videos, post negitive comments, dislike the video, and thumb those comments up! Wonderful!!! Thumb me down, atheists. I know you're watching! lol
A great video, sir! Your said what you were going to do, and then you did it. You did it carefully and clearly, and proved your case. As you say, these simple, lazy errors do leave one questioning what other errors (scientific, philisophical, etc) are there. More than just "questioning", a careful reader would actually expect there to be many more errors! Well done! I can't imagine what all the "dislikes" are for, except to say "I dislike what you are saying and don't want to hear it".
Interesting about Dawkin's biblical mistakes as he recently revealed (in an interview on the reachout channel) that he had never read the Bible in it's entirity! Here is a man who spends much of his time criticizing the Bible these days and hasn't even read it all. Incredible!
The reason John Dickson points out where the New Atheists have it wrong (even on the small issies) is because History is EXTREMELY important if you're gonna write books on whether Christianity is real or not, and the New Atheists barely address it, and what little they did say on it, they got wrong. This guy is an expert in the field, dawkins clearly isn't.
I hope Christians start to question BOTH sides, and read the bible without bias for once, or as some people say, instead of reading it thinking "This is the word of god!", read it thinking "Is this the word of god?".
Check out 'god is imaginary 50 simple proofs' or anything by 'nonstampcollector'. The main critique of Christianity apart from science in general is that it's copied from other religions, meaning that god copied ideas like a virgin birth, and the resurrection because he couldn't think of anything original.
The funniest thing is when daniel denett tried to rebut WLC at a philosophers conference it was rather sad to see one of the supposed top atheists struggle with no answers
The Magi story is found in Matthew, chapter 2, not in Luke. "That's a very small thing," says Dixon. Agreed. So why does he belabor it?
Hitchens, Dawkins, et. al., "aren't more careful when it comes to historical commentary on Jesus" because it means the same to them as being historically accurate about Zeus or Odin.
Dixon brings to mind one of my favorite verses, Matthew 23:24. He should consider how it relates to himself: "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."
Lol Dawkins didn't desribe him as a flee because he was trying to make him sound small. He described him as a flee because McGrath has published numerous books based on answer Dawkins' own work. The metaphor was intended to imply McGrath was heavily dependent on Dawkins. Just a simple metaphor. Quite hard to get wrong.....
@mistermoen you're jumping to conclusion too quickly...it's amazing how atheists get all angry when they're shown to be wrong and spew "UM, SO THAT MEANS GOD EXISTS!?!" no, it just means you were freaking wrong about something. learn to admit your mistakes and learn from them. if you're writing a book, you should make sure your information is correct. the new atheists books are historically inaccurate in places. accept it.
@lightbrownpoop Frankly, I fail to see where mistermoen's comment indicates anger -- he's merely using sarcasm. Seems that you are the one who sounds angry. And do you think it fair for atheists to say, "all those Christians act that way?" Prejudicial attitude, it seems to me. BTW, your advice for people writing books ("make sure your information is correct") is good.
Pity you weren't around to offer it about 2,000 years ago.
This is silly! I'm not disputing that Dawkins, Hitchens et. al. may have made all of these mistakes, but attacking them does not buttress the case for Christianity.
Pointing out that someone is incorrect for saying 2+2=5, does not prove that you're right in saying 2+2=6.
I have yet to see anything dubious in this first part of 2 vids.
Even if the speaker is correct on historical fact, it doesn't take away from the logical arguments made from the books of either author.
At least the speaker is humble and accepts that this has nothing to do with the concept of Atheism itself, just the accuracy of an authors information.
My major peeve with these Dawkins and Hitchens is that they are spending way too much attention to the gospels to start with. The Bible is nonsense, no matter what gospel one refers to. The reason for this is simply: none of the gospels provide any evidence for the existence of Jesus or of god. They are fables and should be treated as such.
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The Lord has already proven Himself to all of civilized humanity. All of mankind already accepts His appearance and activities as scientific facts, with the single exception of the deluded atheist, whose beliefs are in the extreme miniscule minority worldwide.
The lunatic atheist must present a viable argument in favor of his bizarre personal belief that God somehow doesn't exist before being taken seriously, which he has failed to do, sadly.
If you're referring to that old, contradictory collection of fables called the "Bible", color me unimpressed. If you have any evidence for the existence of any gods, by all means, show it. If not, I reserve the right not to believe you.
God has been proven for countless centuries, and atheist dogma™ is a new invention, a newcomer attempting to upset a long-established scientifically factual conclusion -- therefore the burden of proof is on the atheist.
@Purushadasa --to upset a long-established scientifically factual conclusion. HAHA.!!!! whom are you kidding ? Whom are you trying to convince ? Kindergarten kids ?
I don't have to convince anyone, because the vast majority of intelligent human beings on the planet also know that Theism is in the right, and atheism is wrong.
The vast majority always has accepted Theism and rejected atheist dogma™, and the vast majority always will.
It is the atheist who must somehow, someday do some convincing, but as of this time, you fail.
Problem is, nobody believes you, and that's because you have no evidence for your bizarre claims about God.
The reason why the vast majority of human beings easily comprehend the ample scientific and logical evidence for God's factual appearance and activities is that they are smarter than animals. The reason why you don't is because you're not.
You fantasize that someone will someday believe you, but it won't happen: face reality.
The lower animals, such as the pig, the mosquito, and the jellyfish, also lack the intelligence to grasp any portion of the ample logical and scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities that the vast majority of intelligent human beings comprehend easily.
Sadly, the fact that one single Youtube member is on the exact same intelligence level as the lower animal disproves nothing about God's factual appearance or activities.
Where is your evidence for your claims? You have none -- everything you posted is nothing but your own unsupported, dogmatic, personal belief.
The vast majority of human beings disagree with you, and only the lower animal is on your excessively low level of "intelligence," unable to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities.
That would be the duty of the atheist, if he possessed an intelligent thought, but as of this date, he has failed to disprove God, failed to disprove God's factual attributes, failed to disprove God's factual activities, failed to disprove His knowledge, and failed to disprove His love.
The atheist obviously has a long, hard road ahead of him if he expects to convince anyone of his bizarre dogmatic beliefs.
With the single exception of the crackpot atheist, everybody already accepts God's appearance and activities as scientific facts, so who exactly do you expect me to convince?
The atheist, in the extreme miniscule minority, insists that he has made no claim contrary to the long-accepted scientific facts anyway, so there is truly no challenge to meet.
The scientific facts stand unchallenged and universally accepted.
The atheist is always angry, scared, and confused, and that is why the world laughs at him.
The reason why the whole world rejects the atheist's arguments so readily is that they are all firmly convinced of the scientific facts of God's appearance and activities.
The Theists have nobody left to convince, but the atheist has the whole world to convince.
Who exactly is it that you imagine I need to convince? The vast majority of human beings on this planet already accept God's appearance and characteristics and activities to be scientific facts, and the atheist, whose intellect is on the exact same level as the pig, cannot be convinced of anything that goes against his dogmatic belief system anyway.
The Lord has already proven Himself to all of civilized humanity. All of mankind already accepts His appearance and activities as scientific facts, with the single exception of the deluded atheist, whose beliefs are in the extreme miniscule minority worldwide.
The lunatic atheist must present a viable argument in favor of his bizarre personal belief that God somehow doesn't exist before being taken seriously, which he has failed to do, sadly.
"The Lord has already proven Himself to all of civilised humanity"
The fact that the global religious community is a perpetual battleground between different faiths worshipping different gods clearly shows this remark to be false.
"All of mankind accepts His appearance and activities as scientific facts"
Yeah...the only scientists to make this claim are a minority of deluded creationists who were laughed out of the scientific community many years ago.
"The lunatic atheist must present a viable argument in favor of his bizarre personal belief that God somehow doesn't exist ...which he has failed to do"
The countless contradictions and unsubstantiated claims (ie. events with little or no historical evidence to support them) found in holy texts like the Bible provide all the argument necessary to maintain an atheist position. In short, the argument FOR any kind of god is deeply flawed, and can be easily shown to be so.
God has been proven for countless centuries, and atheist dogma™ is a new invention, a newcomer attempting to upset a long-established scientifically factual conclusion -- therefore the burden of proof is on the atheist.
No, it isn't. Can you prove your god exists? No, you can't...because all you have to offer as "proof" is an ancient book full of contradictary claims with little or no historical authenticity. Want to show me your "proof" that Jonah lived in a whale's belly for 3 days? No...I didn't think so.
All atheists need to do is point at the ABSENCE of proof FOR any kind of god...and they have already won the argument.
I don't have to convince anyone, because the vast majority of intelligent human beings on the planet also know that Theism is in the right, and atheism is wrong.
The vast majority always has accepted Theism and rejected atheist dogma™, and the vast majority always will.
It is the atheist who must somehow, someday do some convincing, but as of this time, you fail.
Problem is, nobody believes you, and that's because you have no evidence for your bizarre claims about God.
The reason why the vast majority of human beings easily comprehend the ample scientific and logical evidence for God's factual appearance and activities is that they are smarter than animals. The reason why you don't is because you're not.
You fantasize that someone will someday believe you, but it won't happen: face reality.
The lower animals, such as the pig, the mosquito, and the jellyfish, also lack the intelligence to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities that the vast majority of intelligent human beings comprehend easily.
Sadly, the fact that a single Youtube member is on the exact same intelligence level as the lower animal disproves nothing about God's factual appearance or activities.
Where is your evidence for your claims? You have none -- everything you posted is nothing but your own unsupported, dogmatic, personal belief.
The vast majority of human beings disagree with you, and only the lower animal is on your excessively low level of "intelligence," unable to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities.
With the single exception of the crackpot atheist, everybody already accepts God's appearance and activities as scientific facts, so who exactly do you expect me to convince?
The atheist, in the extreme miniscule minority, insists that he has made no claim contrary to the long-accepted scientific facts anyway, so there is truly no challenge to meet.
The scientific facts stand unchallenged and universally accepted.
The atheist is always angry, scared, and confused, and that is why the world laughs at him.
The reason why the whole world rejects the atheist's arguments so readily is that they are all firmly convinced of the scientific facts of God's appearance and activities.
The Theists have nobody left to convince, but the atheist has the whole world to convince.
Who exactly is it that you imagine I need to convince? The vast majority of human beings on this planet already accept God's appearance and characteristics and activities to be scientific facts, and the atheist, whose intellect is on the exact same level as the pig, cannot be convinced of anything that goes against his dogmatic belief system anyway.
There is much more evidence to support God's existence than yours, because all you have is 2 or 3 posts on Youtube, but God has the entire body of all scriptures on this planet, which clearly come from Him.
There is ample observational evidence that all human beings ever born were born from other human beings.
Conversely, there is absolutely no evidence that any human being or group of human beings could ever have been born from any member of any different species. Such a phenomenon has never been observed, and is nothing but a fantastic, unsupported, irrational, and unscientific belief of atheist dogma.
The Lord has already proven Himself to all of civilized humanity. All of mankind already accepts His appearance and activities as scientific facts, with the single exception of the deluded atheist, whose beliefs are in the extreme miniscule minority worldwide.
The lunatic atheist must present a viable argument in favor of his bizarre personal belief that God somehow doesn't exist before being taken seriously, which he has failed to do, sadly.
God has been proven for countless centuries, and atheist dogma™ is a new invention, a newcomer attempting to upset a long-established scientifically factual conclusion -- therefore the burden of proof is on the atheist.
I don't have to convince anyone, because the vast majority of intelligent human beings on the planet also know that Theism is in the right, and atheism is wrong.
The vast majority always has accepted Theism and rejected atheist dogma™, and the vast majority always will.
It is the atheist who must somehow, someday do some convincing, but as of this time, you fail.
Problem is, nobody believes you, and that's because you have no evidence for your bizarre claims about God.
The reason why the vast majority of human beings easily comprehend the ample scientific and logical evidence for God's factual appearance and activities is that they are smarter than animals. The reason why you don't is because you're not.
You fantasize that someone will someday believe you, but it won't happen: face reality.
The lower animals, such as the pig, the mosquito, and the jellyfish, also lack the intelligence to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities that the vast majority of intelligent human beings comprehend easily.
Sadly, the fact that a single Youtube member is on the exact same intelligence level as the lower animal disproves nothing about God's factual appearance or activities.
Where is your evidence for your claims? You have none -- everything you posted is nothing but your own unsupported, dogmatic, personal belief.
The vast majority of human beings disagree with you, and only the lower animal is on your excessively low level of "intelligence," unable to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities.
The atheist is always angry, scared, and confused, and that is why the world laughs at him.
The reason why the whole world rejects the atheist's arguments so readily is that they are all firmly convinced of the scientific facts of God's appearance and activities.
The Theists have nobody left to convince, but the atheist has the whole world to convince.
Who exactly is it that you imagine I need to convince? The vast majority of human beings on this planet already accept God's appearance and characteristics and activities to be scientific facts, and the atheist, whose intellect is on the exact same level as the pig, cannot be convinced of anything that goes against his dogmatic belief system anyway.
"What follows will easily be pegged by those who want to as nitpicking."
Mr. Dickson, you'd do a better job of convincing anyone that what follows ISN'T nitpicking if you actually believed that yourself. If you thought you had anything even remotely substantial to challenge Hitchens & co. with, you wouldn't be on the back foot before you've even finished your first sentence. As it is, this video IS nothing more than nitpicking. Petty, pointless nitpicking.
There are Theists in every country. In fact, Theists outnumber the atheist by a giant margin -- the vast majority of intelligent human beings on the planet accept Theism and reject atheist dogma™.
You will find Theists in every country on the planet, and in incredible abundance. You have failed to provide evidence of anyone who is "crazy," however.
In 1998, a survey of 517 US scientists showed that 93% of them were atheists. In 1997, FBP prison statistics showed that 0.209% of US inmates were atheists. Now, you were saying something about how "the vast majority of intelligent people" accept theism and reject atheism...?
For the prison statistic, see the official records of the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which keeps statistics on the religious affiliation of US inmates. For the scientist statistic, see the paper published by Edward J. Larson and Larry Witham: "Leading Scientists Still Reject God." I understand why you'd want to believe I was making these stats up - they do, after all, make your previous statement look very, very foolish - but unfortunately for you, they are perfectly genuine.
I looked up those records at the sources you mentioned, and they don't match your concocted numbers.
Also, that other guy was right -- even the years that you tacked on weren't current anyway, so even if they weren't lies, which they are, they would be seriously outdated. No, I'm leaning towards believing the other guy -- at least he's not making up false stats like you did.
"I looked up those records at the sources you mentioned, and they don't match your concocted numbers." OK, I'll play along with your little charade...what WERE the numbers that you looked up from records I cited? Come on...you say I'm lying, so PROVE IT. What were the REAL statistics from those studies?
Why so quiet? It's easy to call me a liar, but when I challenge you to back up your accusation, you run and hide!
0.209% of US prison inmates were atheist as of 1997...that figure is spot on, and the record can be googled for anyone to see. And unless you are dumb enough to suggest that there's been a drastic rise in atheist crime in the last 10 years, I think we can cut the bullshit about that stat being "seriously outdated".
In 1998, Larson & Witham's survey found that 7% of 517 US scientists were theists...that figure is also spot on, and can also be verified on Google. I will admit to one inaccuracy...of the other 93%, 72.2% are atheists...I failed to mention that 20.8% were agnostic/"don't know". Of course, this still proves that theism is a tiny minority among US scientists, and this minority has been consistently shrinking for nearly a century.
It may also interest you to know that Larson and Witham's 1998 survey also references 2 previous surveys of US scientists, conducted in 1914 and 1933, respectively. The three surveys combined show a steady decline in theism in the US scientific community over the last 100 years, from 27% in 1914, to 15% in 1933, to 7% in 1998. Scary, huh? Better close your eyes and pretend the numbers aren't real! Or look them up for yourself...whatever suits you best.
1914 and 1933?!?!? How far back in time are you willing to go? Ever heard of using up-to-date statistics? How about using real ones as well, instead of making them up, like you did with these ones?
It's very easy for you to place a series of fake, imagined numbers into a post, in a desperate attempt to make a case for your foolish beliefs, but I looked up the actual numbers, and they don't match yours.
Nobody believes your lies, garethac. That other guy was right on.
First you say that you looked up the statistics yourself, and they were different than the ones I posted here...then you say the statistics are imaginary, and I made up my sources! You can't even decide which kind of bullshit to throw! *LOL*
I notice you ran off after accusing me of "making up" my statistics, just like Ravloma...do you have the guts to come back and back up your accusation? Or do you have nothing to back it up with, just Ravloma?
I'm curious to hear of these people taking on atheist on the macro-level and actually doing a good job. I've heard quite a few people attempt this and non can give any convincing arguments. This doofus just says there are some people doing a good job at that, doesn't any thought.
Okay, so there are some inaccuracies in the books of the major atheists. I expected as much, since I don't really find their publications on a whole appealing, even as an atheist.
However, this seems to be nothing more than a literary redirecting, and a geographical correction. Nothing was really established.
I don't think that there's much worry if there is some "atheist movement". The Christian religious movement is orders of magnitude larger.
Man, I don't really ever comment on youtube, but I've been watching alot of theism vs atheism clips and have been appalled at the fundamentalist trash that you dawkinites spew in your comments. Here's a funny idea, if you disagree with a premise or think a conclussion doesn't follow, explain why. I know Christian fundo's are equally anoying but they seem much more of a lost cause so I'm not going to bother.
'Here's a funny idea, if you disagree with a premise or think a conclussion doesn't follow, explain why' Well I suppose you could call me a 'dawkinite' (never heard that one before), though I don't agree with everything he says. Go on, give me a claim you theists make that we think doesn't follow through.
The qualities that make one a flea have nothing to do with degrees or awards.
It has to do with the quality of argument. If a Nobel Prize winning physicist advanced a stupid theist argument they would be a flea in so far as that stance is concerned.
He is as much as possible saying "the new atheist movement" and "the atheist project" just to try to enhance the American way of thinking that we are some small crazy minority who don't know what we're talking about.
Again, christians can't win arguments with logic, and must instead win by brainwashing the people and offer comfort.
Haha! I couldnt' agree more. Looking through these manipulative, conjecture ridden, clumsy videos - I've decided to report this channel to YouTube. I wish these religious Christians and Muslims would just to live on the moon or something, I'm tired and sick of their pushiness and small mindedness.
Evidence would convince me. Remember I WAS a believer. Despite what you think, I read the bible. I reference it often. It just doesn't work in your head because I come to different conclusions than you. So you scream out accusations and take my words out of context. You refer to personal responsibility when I explained how scapegoating on a human sacrifice is anything but responsible. I turn my back on absurdity, not imaginary sky tyrants.
"If ye shall ask ANY thing in my name, I WILL do it."
This is obviously not the case and you are making your own interpretations. You claim moral superiority that comes from god YET this very god would only heal, say a child with leukemia if it is in line with HIS desires. If this is not immoral, I do not know what is. "I could heal you, everyone who loves you wants you healed and they pray to me to heal you, but screw it; Its not what I want."
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Ergo, praying for disease to be healed SHOULD work. But as usual, we see Jesus as a liar, god as cruel or incompetent and the followers of both Rationalize square circles to justify their wacky views.
Wrong. Because it is written does not make it true. Further, "Blessed are the meek" is stupid and untrue. There is no such thing as "blessings" or "curses". Even so, you are still cherry picking the stories. Don't forget when Jesus destroys the lively hood of some farmer by killing his pigs in the ridiculous story of the casting of the demons. God's nature and not his words tell us what to do? The god of the bible is a murderous, jealous asshole.
Cont. This is part of the problem. People think "what would Jesus do?" Yet Jesus DOESN'T actually tell us. Imagine a person suffering from cancer, sincere prayers and medicine have not worked and the person lingers in constant pain and wants to die. Would Jesus help the person die? Would he leave him alone? Curse him for not being a christian? Heal him? We can never know because JESUS DOESN'T EXIST. Yet this scenario plays out thousands of times a year bringing needless suffering.
Show me one error that I have made? Further, show one thing Jesus got right? If Jesus was right, no doctors would be needed. If Jesus was right, the Kingdom of Heaven would have been established before all the apostles were dead. You have not responded to any points I raised. Either god puts more importance of the free will of murderers over the lives of victims, or he doesn't exist, or would like to help but cannot. A&C are immoral and impotent so B. fits the evidence to me.
If a man was to leave his wife and children, his job, all means of support and then go around preaching, would that be moral? Of course not, yet it is completely within the teachings of Jesus. Jesus never condemned slavery. Jesus also said that Mosaic law was still (and always) valid. You cannot pick and choose what of Jesus you like and what parts you cannot reconcile. And lets not forget the HORRIBLE doctrine of unlimited punishment for limited crimes, including "bad" thoughts.
Turn the other cheek? Love your enemy? Do you love Hitler or Osama Bin Laden? Should the free nations "turn the other cheek" when they are attacked? Of course not. The "Morality" of Jesus is as nonsensical as it is inadequate. Jesus also said to abandon everything to be his disciple, including ones family. Jesus even says in a Parable "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." And Parables supposedly contain truth.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that Germany roundly lost WWII. Clearly what Hitler was doing was NOT for the benefit of humanity. More on the Intrinsic nature of god; apparently he sits back and does nothing why atrocities occur, many in his name. He endows us with morals, but not strong enough for everyone to follow. He refuses to violate free will, yet will allow the free will of a little girl be violated by a murderer. The ultimate do as I say, not as I do hypocrite; with bloody results
Cont. Let us consider Andrea Yates, who murdered her 5 children. She said "It was the seventh deadly sin. My children weren't righteous. They stumbled because I was evil. The way I was raising them, they could never be saved. They were doomed to perish in the fires of hell." God, again, was silent on the matter. Just because she seems crazy to us does not mean that it isn't perfectly moral and part of gods plan. We are charged with making sense of such a crime. Morals begin and end with us.
And how do YOU know which god is talking to you? Would god say one thing and then instruct others to do another? This makes this god at best; horribly inconsistent and at worst, a vicious liar. People who murder because they hear "gods voice" to do so could never be condemned in your universe since there is no way to falsify it. The perpetrators are sincere and ancient texts support the idea that god whispers, sometimes very strange things in people's ears.
Cont. Lets take for example; Philip Badowski who murdered his parents. When questioned he said "Honestly, you really want to know? I shot 'em. God told me to. About 10:45 p.m., I was reading the Bible. God told me he needed me to do it." Now we can dismiss this as lies or psychosis but we cannot say god DIDN'T say it, because god won't say to the rest of us one way or another. How do YOU presume to know the mind of god more than him? Or Jim Jones? Or David Koresh? Or Abraham? Or Muhammad?
Hitler died defeated, depressed and globally shamed. His country lie in ruins, millions of him people dead. Clearly, he was wrong. As for individual murderers and rapists; this what we have the law for. It doesn't take a genius or a god to craft laws that protect us. Obviously murderers don't poll the victims family and community so they cannot say that it is a benefit. Being moral is looking beyond oneself and ones own needs and wants. This is what we expect in a social primate civilization.
mycontext its not hard to look at the beginning chapters of deuteronomy where it CLEARLY STATES MOSES GIVING A SPEECH TO ISRAEL CHARGING THEM TO ESTABLISH JUDGES, LAWMAKERS,WAR COUNCILS etc as they were ABOUT TO INHERIT THE PROMISED LAND. as these were the authorities that will be in charge of building the nation of ISRAEL. EG.. MOSES DECLARED UNCLEAN FOODS THAT WERE NOT TO BE EATEN.... JESUS LATER CORRECTS THE JEWISH PRIESTS THAT ITS NOT WHAT GOES IN BUT WHAT COMES OUT THAT MAKES ON UNCLEAN lol
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker "inherit" as in murder other people for their land! There's nothing that supports your claims with regard to ANY of the atrocities, since, at least one decided not to kill as directed and was punished for not killing all.
Please provide a reference regarding the release from the idea of unclean foods.
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext throughout deutoronmy and exodus it shows kings and warlords who were rulers of lands that stood in the way of israels persuit of "the promised land".. eg. king Og ruled the lands before the crossing of the jordan river.. to pass a land permission had to be granted, if permission was not granted a stern warning was given to israel if the lands were crossed they and "THIER" families would be killed. and with reference to what makes a person unclean Mark 7:14-23.
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker Are you nuts? If you were a king and just heard of a mass of armed people wanting to cross your land, you wouldn't think this was dangerous to your kingdom?
Given the outcomes presented the king was right! The people were rotten. Their intent was evil.
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext umm thats what i said.... i raised the point of WHY OTHER ARMIES AND KINGDOMS ENGAGED ISRAEL IN BATTLE.... and your thinking from a advanced perspective looking back at primitive kingdoms who would DEFINITELY see crossing land as an insult... please try and think to how they WOULDVE THOUGHT... no dipolmacy, no conflict resolution..
6gunwalker 1 month ago
im apalled at the lack of extension people allow themselves when reading the bible lol its as if they read it and have selective shallow understanding lol
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker Suggesting that you do better when you ignore the atrocities in the bible, so you can hold on to the delusion that it is good - call a therapist quickly ...
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext im sorry but i have to point out your lack of comprehension when it comes to the various books and ITS ENTIRETY not just verses here and there lol cherry picking without actully reading into what the whole book is all about... very disappointing
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker The point of this fictional work is obedience regardless of how horrid. It is amoral at the core. The ideas (good, bad, & horrid) are not original. All of the peoples of that area at and before the time of the OT claimed fictional gods - the biblical god(s) were just as fictional.
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext i hinted in one of my responses to this earlier.. the primitive decrees of the israelites in deutoronmy, levicticus, judges and so on were from MEN.. early lawmakers, judges appointed by moses to do the best job they knew how... jesus later on corrects those moses laws in how GOD ACTUALY WANTED IT. eg moses declared certain animals and food not to be eaten as it would make one unclean.. jesus blew this law out of the water by saying its not what goes in.. but what comes out
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker The actions were apparently sanction by the bloody claim of god with no issue. Jesus is not depicted showing any of it wrong. Please give any reference of Jesus addressing unclean food. It will problably be a conflicted mess, but i do like to get things right...to the extent reason allows...
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext too easy.. MARK 7. jewish leaders saw jesus and his deciples eating without cleansing thier hands.. as MOSES LAW demands that hands must be washed before eating... Jesus put this stupid law to bed by saying " nothing that comes from the outside can make a man unclean, as it goes in the stomach and exits out. RATHER ITS WHAT COMES FROM WITHIN.. OUT FROM A MANS HEART, EVIL THOUGHTS, THEFT, MURDER, ENVY" etc lol i love how God points out the rediculously stupid laws men make.
6gunwalker 1 month ago
Gods true word that manifested in a human form is jesus.. if you want to know who God really is you look to jesus life.. nowhere does that promote evil, rape, slavery etc. love your neighbour as YOU LOVE YOURSELF.. thats hard to do in certain circumstances but is the answer to all of our problems
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker Lying or haven't read the bible:
Ephesians 6:5-9 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext this is an easy misconceived text that can be easily put to bed..... the terms slaves and masters in this context means employer and employee... these terms have always been used in those more ancient times.but when translated from the hebrew texts it refers to employer and employee.... a very trivial attempt but one that was easily put to rest.
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker You might have a point if the passage did not make the distinction of slave or free. This would of course be ignoring the rules for treating slaves presented in other passages.
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext you're trying to compare a more sophisticated society such as ours which is in fact a global society where we have technology to better ourselves to a society 2000yrs ago that wasnt global, primitive terms, primitive literacy by our standards.. so how would you expect those writers to use a more "politically correct way" of terms?? even today we are slaves to our debtors.. slaves to bank loans, capitalist society where nothing is free without money.. lol im a slave .. are you?
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker I grant that we are at that. However, nothing better was presented in the bible. In fact it was considerably worse, since, given the claimed knowledge of the lord, it should have directed better...NO? We tend to do worse when we are ignorant as noted by the crime rates and religious rates of ignorant areas, there may be exceptions, however, this seems to be the general trend. There is no claim of perfection that stands given the atrocities claimed in the bible!
MyContext 1 month ago
@6gunwalker Lying or haven't read the bible:
Matt 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
Let's see this shows that the OT is included in that "gods true word" claim that you are making. Which means Rape, Murder, Enslavement, as well as many other petty immoral acts are included even with Jesus... It is just not voiced loudly as the nicer soft sell items.
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext lol you are trying to link this passage to the verse of deuteronomy lol but theres a big problem the LAW IN WHICH JESUS REFERS TO IS THE LAWS IN THE BOOK OF EXODUS. lol God never proclaims a law in deuteronomy.. this passage jesus reassures his follwers that he did not come to do away with the old law but to fulfill it. what law is that??? the ten commandments.. in which later he simplifys down to two. 1. love your God with all yr heart. 2 love yr neigbour as yrself.
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker So, you are playing semantic games? So, it is commanded versus it is a law? So, none of what Jesus is claimed to have said should mean anything. So, the slavery is still considered acceptable? And the directives to JUST TAKE the land was what?
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext i dont mean to disrespect your intellect but you dont know the correct context in various passages when it comes to a law from God and a decree from a man eg.. decrees from moses, joshua, king david, soloman etc... eg moses in deuteronomy decrees to israel that if any man is caught not observing the sabbath is to be put to death.. Jesus (Gods word in flesh) angers the jewish priest by healing on the sabbath saying "use your head! God demands mercy not foolish sacrafice" lol
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker What is the point of worship to a creature that is supposedly perfect? What is the point of not teaching people to be better as opposed to a request for obedience? Obedience is not an inherently moral thing. If one does not CHOSE to do good of ones own accord, it cannot be called moral... it is amoral. Why believe in fairy tales? Talking animals? Man made tales? Atrocities? Clearly the product of human invention...
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext we dont worship a creature, we worship a very powerful entity. obidience helps the cause of being moral.. if society today wasnt obidient to laws of the land in our given nations we would have rogue states, anarchy followed by whatever comes after... and fairy tales??? what is absurd to me is thinking we came out of randomness and unbelievable odds of chance we were formed from cells to fish to amphibions to reptile to apes lol like we will limbs to appear from no where
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker If one does not CHOSE to do right, it CANNOT be said that the person doing whatever action is moral or immoral. The best that can be said is that they are AMORAL, since, they are not making any choice or notions about the matter. They are ONLY following orders.... wasn't that the line Hitler's men claimed?
Don't understand evolution, eh? Is a lack of education the problem? Do a bit a of research into the DETAILS of what is claimed. You can actually check it out.
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext ??? you're assuming that the israelites could know what is right and what is wrong morally.... very easy to claim from your perspective since you know better today... but those days.. rape, sleeping with your own sister or mother, slavery etc no one could tell another what was right and what was wrong... it was all relativism.. very contradictive... and please RE EDUCATE ME IN EVOLUTION lol im dying to know the TRUTH.
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker You really do need to ACTUALLY read the bible as it actually is as opposed to the special glasses you must be wearing to claim what you claim. Or you are actually lying about having read the bible. Which is actually the case? Since, I can't say that I ever believed, however, before I read the bible I did believe in belief in belief; which is NO LONGER THE CASE, since, I read it!
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext please provide me the actual verse that Reads " God says to go and murder and rape the innocent" please. and dont think ill be holding my breath because you will not find anything.
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker According to Deuteronomy, the commanded them to kill all the people for the actual "land being given" and the outskirts kill the men and take the women (which is rape if you have no choice, which they didn't) and children (enslaved).
It is clear that is claimed to be the lord according to fiction that is the bible.
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext lol you are now making assumptions based on something that God clearly didnt say lol God told moses he will DELIVER ISRAELS ENEMIES INTO THIER HANDS. there is nothing in deuteronomy where it shows God commanding rape and murder. moses in the book tells israel that they must kill every soldier so that israel may not learn other gods which were detestable to God. moses commands this so they dont learn any bad habits
6gunwalker 1 month ago
Incisive and careful work John. Great job! God bless you.
riian1946 1 month ago
this critical analysis of dawkins book is absolutely correct as well as other atheistic high profilists... alot of incorrect information... for an example the illusionist penn jellete.. i heard him on an interview tell a complete lie when he said that Lot in the book of genisis watched his daughters get gang raped... thats an outright lie.. i was laughing at how confident he was at that story but was baffled at his outright lie ... made me think how disperate atheists can be
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker You are right... He only offered his daughters up to be raped.
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext yeah Lot offered his daughters to the locals off sodom in exchange that they dont touch his guests... it was a customory respect gesture towards his guests... Little did Lot know his guests were angels sent from the lord to level sodom n gomorah... many people especially atheists get the story absolutely wrong.. message of the story.. get out of the sodom n gomorah situation you are in because it will be leveled.
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker If a group of people are slaughtered without having a basis for the action it is simply a genocide, since, there was no attempt to address the issues. Summary judgement was past and that was the end of it! Let's be clear... the god of the old testament didn't care about any group of people other than the "chosen people" it was like EVERY OTHER notion of god at the time, about the people who created the myth, which was the case for all of the people who believe in a god
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext youre trying to be politically correct with the sodom and gomorah scenario... the bible tells of sodom and gomorahs evils and injustices crying out to God... you're applying politically correctness to a city that practiced all kinds of evil.. constant rape, constant murder, contant opression.. all injustices.. a people that take pleasure in tormenting others... do not try and apply the p.c b.s because it doesnt work.
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker The rabbinical literature appears to be inconclusive, so they can only really be charged with the rape (and it seems cruelty separate from rape most likely), assuming one trusts the bible for such a notion. Does this justify an entity which is claimed to be all-good to do ANYTHING of the kind to any group with no justification, unless it was only about the chosen people? Since, it is clear that murder & rape were NOT AN issue to Yahweh as depicted.
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext no God never supported any of those practices... no where in the bible does it show God saying that... these acts were all Israels own admissions.. when Jesus came along and fulfilled the law fr example.. he said " the law says thou shall not murder, but i tell you now if you look at your neighbour and hate him you are guilty of murder" the jewish priests hated him for saying this because it didnt fit with thier comfortible lifestyle. Gods word in flesh and blood jesus.
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker Read Deuteronomy again. This book makes it clear that Yahweh was directing the actions that were claimed to have been taken. However, it should be noted that most of this book was probably made up in varying degrees to pump up Yahweh as the primary god as opposed to just one of their gods (Exodus 15:11, Psalms 86:8, Micah 7:18, Numbers 33:3, Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Psalms 95:3, Psalms135:5). If there weren't notions of other "existent" gods, the text would be different.
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext ive read deuteronomy thoughly many a times and i can garantee you God does not evoke israel to these decrees... THE DECREES ARE ALL MADE BY ISRAELS LAWMAKERS in an attempt to bring a social system to a young nation who have just inherited the promised land... THE LAWMAKERS HAVE MADE THIER DECREES BASED ON THE SERMONS OF MOSES WHO DID NOT LIVE TO SEE THE PROMISED LAND. no where does it affirm God saying any of the decrees.. it is all manmade... simple as that..
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker Apparently you don't read very well or you like to lie:
Deuteronomy 20:13-14 "And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones ... shalt thou take unto thyself."
Let's see... We have mass killing of the men... The women given the rules are raped and/or enslaved. The kids in theory are only enslaved with rape to come later...
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext So, if it is not supported... apparently there is NO disapproval!
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext does God command in this sentence "to murder the innocent and rape?" the verse simply says "GOD HATH DELIVERED IT TO THINE HANDS" he has handed victory to the israelites even before the battle has become... he has never PROCLAIMED TO ISRAEL TO GO OUT MURDER AND RAPE.. is that not hard to see??? you are trying to make admissions that God has proclaimed evils to murder the innocent and rape. when hes commanding israel to defend itself or they be killed by the enemy.
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker what use is it to say to israel go out and do a half hearted job against an enemy hellbent on destroying you? or lets do the atheistic way of politically correctness on the battlefield? lol you tell me if in times of war mankind needed to fight in order to maintain freedom, does israel not have the same right?
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker Are you delusional or lying or what? There are passages where god/lord is presented giving directives as to how to conduct the campaign against the various groups....
MyContext 1 month ago
@MyContext what? commands like "ive delivered thine enemies into thine hands?" "smite the enemy? lol what do you expect in times of war? charge and then start hugging them? it all has to do with the obidience and faith israel has in what God tells them.. as i said before and i still havnt recieved anything from you concerning this.. is show me where in the bible God commands slavery, rape, murder??? show me the actual passage where God openly says it.. crystal clear
6gunwalker 1 month ago
The problem of course with biblical accuracy is simple. The idea that proof cannot prove the bible as it removes faith requires ignorance of facts to make it into a kingdom. Its hard for a logical mind to perceive how one enjoys heaven. Think for a moment, "streets of gold" I wonder how walking on metal streets barefoot would feel all day? "Eternity of praise", I wonder why god would need such praise? "No memory of pain" so I won't remember punishing my children or them learning? How strange.
josephdtibbs 1 month ago
New Atheist Movement= A movement for boring stuck up close minded douchebags,
Tuber77 2 months ago
@Tuber77 Who actually care about what is true or at least reasonable supportable...
MyContext 1 month ago
I love discovering religotards on u tube that believe in the whole bible and take it literally i.e. talking snake, talking donkey, giants, supermen, 900 yr old Noah, kangaroos, penguins, termites on the ark, leviathans, tower of babel, zombies, angels, demons, prophecy, burning bush etc Have a nice life thinking the earth is the earth is flat you space cadets !!!
debrainwasher1 3 months ago
Dawkins and Hitchens are not credible.... therefore, god exists? And the "Philosophy" of the New Atheists? You're kidding right? There is NO SUCH THING. That's like saying the "Philosophy" of baseball players or the "Philosophy" of people who watch Gilligans Island. Atheism is NOT a philosophy, it's simply NOT believing in supernatural beings. "Objectivism" IS a Philosophy and because it is reality based, only an Atheist can be an Objectivist but I know many Atheists with bad philosophy.
djangothecat 5 months ago
The most absurd things I have ever heard from atheist in my debates with them are:
1) St Justin Martyr never quoted the New Testament in his works.
2) The early Chrsitians did not believe in a litteral Jesus, but "knew" he was a metaphore.
3) King James "authored" the Bible.
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And this is just from last nights debate.
Archangel866 6 months ago
VEGIMITE.
TheGhostFromPlanetX 6 months ago
Too long, didn't watch. But I discovered that you can jump to completely random points in the video and get the same crap in droves everywhere. A remarkable case of self similarity.
fisterB 6 months ago
You know it's a good video when the trolls are out in force.
empreme 7 months ago
It's quite pitiful the missinformation of the atheists sheeps.
IloveYOUviruses 7 months ago 5
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IloveYOUviruses 7 months ago
Does anyone love how many dislikes this video has? I love it! I find it so refershing when I see atheists flock to these videos, post negitive comments, dislike the video, and thumb those comments up! Wonderful!!! Thumb me down, atheists. I know you're watching! lol
almightykenshin 7 months ago 8
A great video, sir! Your said what you were going to do, and then you did it. You did it carefully and clearly, and proved your case. As you say, these simple, lazy errors do leave one questioning what other errors (scientific, philisophical, etc) are there. More than just "questioning", a careful reader would actually expect there to be many more errors! Well done! I can't imagine what all the "dislikes" are for, except to say "I dislike what you are saying and don't want to hear it".
edmundus1581 7 months ago 2
This channel is so great. Everyone should watch this channels videos!
TestAmenT12341 8 months ago
Interesting about Dawkin's biblical mistakes as he recently revealed (in an interview on the reachout channel) that he had never read the Bible in it's entirity! Here is a man who spends much of his time criticizing the Bible these days and hasn't even read it all. Incredible!
Shazoolo 8 months ago
The reason John Dickson points out where the New Atheists have it wrong (even on the small issies) is because History is EXTREMELY important if you're gonna write books on whether Christianity is real or not, and the New Atheists barely address it, and what little they did say on it, they got wrong. This guy is an expert in the field, dawkins clearly isn't.
hopop313 8 months ago
I hope Christians start to question BOTH sides, and read the bible without bias for once, or as some people say, instead of reading it thinking "This is the word of god!", read it thinking "Is this the word of god?".
boenrobot 9 months ago
It is just hilarious to see how stupid Christians are in their attempts to stay relevant; try as they might, dogma is dying out fast.
bigfoot799 10 months ago
Check out 'god is imaginary 50 simple proofs' or anything by 'nonstampcollector'. The main critique of Christianity apart from science in general is that it's copied from other religions, meaning that god copied ideas like a virgin birth, and the resurrection because he couldn't think of anything original.
gavincostin1 1 year ago
The funniest thing is when daniel denett tried to rebut WLC at a philosophers conference it was rather sad to see one of the supposed top atheists struggle with no answers
the1qb 1 year ago
Ha! the church of atheism has come out to see this one. He has to be kicking ass!
EastofForever 1 year ago
This dude should change his name from Dickson to Godson. Otherwise he may be seen as living up to his name.
fidellse 1 year ago
The Magi story is found in Matthew, chapter 2, not in Luke. "That's a very small thing," says Dixon. Agreed. So why does he belabor it?
Hitchens, Dawkins, et. al., "aren't more careful when it comes to historical commentary on Jesus" because it means the same to them as being historically accurate about Zeus or Odin.
Dixon brings to mind one of my favorite verses, Matthew 23:24. He should consider how it relates to himself: "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."
Xenophile665 1 year ago 2
you sir, are a DUMBASS
technoir101 1 year ago
Lol Dawkins didn't desribe him as a flee because he was trying to make him sound small. He described him as a flee because McGrath has published numerous books based on answer Dawkins' own work. The metaphor was intended to imply McGrath was heavily dependent on Dawkins. Just a simple metaphor. Quite hard to get wrong.....
chebob2009 1 year ago
IT WAS IN LUKE NOT MATHEW SO GODS REAL OK
mistermoen 1 year ago
@mistermoen you're jumping to conclusion too quickly...it's amazing how atheists get all angry when they're shown to be wrong and spew "UM, SO THAT MEANS GOD EXISTS!?!" no, it just means you were freaking wrong about something. learn to admit your mistakes and learn from them. if you're writing a book, you should make sure your information is correct. the new atheists books are historically inaccurate in places. accept it.
lightbrownpoop 1 year ago
@lightbrownpoop Frankly, I fail to see where mistermoen's comment indicates anger -- he's merely using sarcasm. Seems that you are the one who sounds angry. And do you think it fair for atheists to say, "all those Christians act that way?" Prejudicial attitude, it seems to me. BTW, your advice for people writing books ("make sure your information is correct") is good.
Pity you weren't around to offer it about 2,000 years ago.
Freedom thru truth, Xeno
Xenophile665 1 year ago
Have a look at Bill Hicks - Dinosaurs from the show Revelations... amen to the gospel of Bill Hicks
298744 1 year ago
This is silly. I'm not saying that these atheists did not make the mistakes that this guy claims.
Pointing out that someone is wrong in saying 2+2=5, does not prove your claim of 2+2=6.
johnedwards1968 1 year ago
This is silly! I'm not disputing that Dawkins, Hitchens et. al. may have made all of these mistakes, but attacking them does not buttress the case for Christianity.
Pointing out that someone is incorrect for saying 2+2=5, does not prove that you're right in saying 2+2=6.
johnedwards1968 1 year ago
I have yet to see anything dubious in this first part of 2 vids.
Even if the speaker is correct on historical fact, it doesn't take away from the logical arguments made from the books of either author.
At least the speaker is humble and accepts that this has nothing to do with the concept of Atheism itself, just the accuracy of an authors information.
visualkei72 1 year ago
My major peeve with these Dawkins and Hitchens is that they are spending way too much attention to the gospels to start with. The Bible is nonsense, no matter what gospel one refers to. The reason for this is simply: none of the gospels provide any evidence for the existence of Jesus or of god. They are fables and should be treated as such.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago 4
@MomoTheBellyDancer
How can that be your peeve? It's the bible that christians base their beleifs on, what else is there to critique??
chebob2009 1 year ago
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The Lord has already proven Himself to all of civilized humanity. All of mankind already accepts His appearance and activities as scientific facts, with the single exception of the deluded atheist, whose beliefs are in the extreme miniscule minority worldwide.
The lunatic atheist must present a viable argument in favor of his bizarre personal belief that God somehow doesn't exist before being taken seriously, which he has failed to do, sadly.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
@Purushadasa
If you're referring to that old, contradictory collection of fables called the "Bible", color me unimpressed. If you have any evidence for the existence of any gods, by all means, show it. If not, I reserve the right not to believe you.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago 7
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@Purushadasa This is silly. I'm not saying that these atheists did not make the mistakes that this guy claims.
Pointing out that someone is wrong in saying 2+2=5, does not prove your claim of 2+2=6.
johnedwards1968 1 year ago
@Purushadasa
All civilized humanity.....except Western Europe; the most civilized and also atheistic region in the world.
chebob2009 1 year ago
God has been proven for countless centuries, and atheist dogma™ is a new invention, a newcomer attempting to upset a long-established scientifically factual conclusion -- therefore the burden of proof is on the atheist.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
@Purushadasa --to upset a long-established scientifically factual conclusion. HAHA.!!!! whom are you kidding ? Whom are you trying to convince ? Kindergarten kids ?
lizazoon 1 year ago
I don't have to convince anyone, because the vast majority of intelligent human beings on the planet also know that Theism is in the right, and atheism is wrong.
The vast majority always has accepted Theism and rejected atheist dogma™, and the vast majority always will.
It is the atheist who must somehow, someday do some convincing, but as of this time, you fail.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
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@Purushadasa
"The vast majority always has accepted Theism and rejected atheist dogma™, and the vast majority always will."
Ah, the old Argumentum ad Populum. How... pathetic.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago
@Purushadasa
You have no grasp of the burden of proof. Science isn't democracy. If it was, we'd still think the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around us.
chebob2009 1 year ago
Problem is, nobody believes you, and that's because you have no evidence for your bizarre claims about God.
The reason why the vast majority of human beings easily comprehend the ample scientific and logical evidence for God's factual appearance and activities is that they are smarter than animals. The reason why you don't is because you're not.
You fantasize that someone will someday believe you, but it won't happen: face reality.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
The lower animals, such as the pig, the mosquito, and the jellyfish, also lack the intelligence to grasp any portion of the ample logical and scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities that the vast majority of intelligent human beings comprehend easily.
Sadly, the fact that one single Youtube member is on the exact same intelligence level as the lower animal disproves nothing about God's factual appearance or activities.
atheist total fail
Purushadasa 1 year ago
Where is your evidence for your claims? You have none -- everything you posted is nothing but your own unsupported, dogmatic, personal belief.
The vast majority of human beings disagree with you, and only the lower animal is on your excessively low level of "intelligence," unable to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities.
I will pray for you.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
That would be the duty of the atheist, if he possessed an intelligent thought, but as of this date, he has failed to disprove God, failed to disprove God's factual attributes, failed to disprove God's factual activities, failed to disprove His knowledge, and failed to disprove His love.
The atheist obviously has a long, hard road ahead of him if he expects to convince anyone of his bizarre dogmatic beliefs.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
With the single exception of the crackpot atheist, everybody already accepts God's appearance and activities as scientific facts, so who exactly do you expect me to convince?
The atheist, in the extreme miniscule minority, insists that he has made no claim contrary to the long-accepted scientific facts anyway, so there is truly no challenge to meet.
The scientific facts stand unchallenged and universally accepted.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
The atheist is always angry, scared, and confused, and that is why the world laughs at him.
The reason why the whole world rejects the atheist's arguments so readily is that they are all firmly convinced of the scientific facts of God's appearance and activities.
The Theists have nobody left to convince, but the atheist has the whole world to convince.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
Who exactly is it that you imagine I need to convince? The vast majority of human beings on this planet already accept God's appearance and characteristics and activities to be scientific facts, and the atheist, whose intellect is on the exact same level as the pig, cannot be convinced of anything that goes against his dogmatic belief system anyway.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
The Lord has already proven Himself to all of civilized humanity. All of mankind already accepts His appearance and activities as scientific facts, with the single exception of the deluded atheist, whose beliefs are in the extreme miniscule minority worldwide.
The lunatic atheist must present a viable argument in favor of his bizarre personal belief that God somehow doesn't exist before being taken seriously, which he has failed to do, sadly.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
@Purushadasa
"The Lord has already proven Himself to all of civilised humanity"
The fact that the global religious community is a perpetual battleground between different faiths worshipping different gods clearly shows this remark to be false.
"All of mankind accepts His appearance and activities as scientific facts"
Yeah...the only scientists to make this claim are a minority of deluded creationists who were laughed out of the scientific community many years ago.
garethac81 1 year ago
@Purushadasa
"The lunatic atheist must present a viable argument in favor of his bizarre personal belief that God somehow doesn't exist ...which he has failed to do"
The countless contradictions and unsubstantiated claims (ie. events with little or no historical evidence to support them) found in holy texts like the Bible provide all the argument necessary to maintain an atheist position. In short, the argument FOR any kind of god is deeply flawed, and can be easily shown to be so.
garethac81 1 year ago
God has been proven for countless centuries, and atheist dogma™ is a new invention, a newcomer attempting to upset a long-established scientifically factual conclusion -- therefore the burden of proof is on the atheist.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
@Purushadasa
"the burden of proof is on the atheist."
No, it isn't. Can you prove your god exists? No, you can't...because all you have to offer as "proof" is an ancient book full of contradictary claims with little or no historical authenticity. Want to show me your "proof" that Jonah lived in a whale's belly for 3 days? No...I didn't think so.
All atheists need to do is point at the ABSENCE of proof FOR any kind of god...and they have already won the argument.
garethac81 1 year ago
I don't have to convince anyone, because the vast majority of intelligent human beings on the planet also know that Theism is in the right, and atheism is wrong.
The vast majority always has accepted Theism and rejected atheist dogma™, and the vast majority always will.
It is the atheist who must somehow, someday do some convincing, but as of this time, you fail.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
Problem is, nobody believes you, and that's because you have no evidence for your bizarre claims about God.
The reason why the vast majority of human beings easily comprehend the ample scientific and logical evidence for God's factual appearance and activities is that they are smarter than animals. The reason why you don't is because you're not.
You fantasize that someone will someday believe you, but it won't happen: face reality.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
The lower animals, such as the pig, the mosquito, and the jellyfish, also lack the intelligence to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities that the vast majority of intelligent human beings comprehend easily.
Sadly, the fact that a single Youtube member is on the exact same intelligence level as the lower animal disproves nothing about God's factual appearance or activities.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
Where is your evidence for your claims? You have none -- everything you posted is nothing but your own unsupported, dogmatic, personal belief.
The vast majority of human beings disagree with you, and only the lower animal is on your excessively low level of "intelligence," unable to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities.
I will pray for you.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
With the single exception of the crackpot atheist, everybody already accepts God's appearance and activities as scientific facts, so who exactly do you expect me to convince?
The atheist, in the extreme miniscule minority, insists that he has made no claim contrary to the long-accepted scientific facts anyway, so there is truly no challenge to meet.
The scientific facts stand unchallenged and universally accepted.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
The atheist is always angry, scared, and confused, and that is why the world laughs at him.
The reason why the whole world rejects the atheist's arguments so readily is that they are all firmly convinced of the scientific facts of God's appearance and activities.
The Theists have nobody left to convince, but the atheist has the whole world to convince.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
Who exactly is it that you imagine I need to convince? The vast majority of human beings on this planet already accept God's appearance and characteristics and activities to be scientific facts, and the atheist, whose intellect is on the exact same level as the pig, cannot be convinced of anything that goes against his dogmatic belief system anyway.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
There is much more evidence to support God's existence than yours, because all you have is 2 or 3 posts on Youtube, but God has the entire body of all scriptures on this planet, which clearly come from Him.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
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CONCLUSION:
There is ample observational evidence that all human beings ever born were born from other human beings.
Conversely, there is absolutely no evidence that any human being or group of human beings could ever have been born from any member of any different species. Such a phenomenon has never been observed, and is nothing but a fantastic, unsupported, irrational, and unscientific belief of atheist dogma.
atheist total fail
Purushadasa 1 year ago
The Lord has already proven Himself to all of civilized humanity. All of mankind already accepts His appearance and activities as scientific facts, with the single exception of the deluded atheist, whose beliefs are in the extreme miniscule minority worldwide.
The lunatic atheist must present a viable argument in favor of his bizarre personal belief that God somehow doesn't exist before being taken seriously, which he has failed to do, sadly.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
God has been proven for countless centuries, and atheist dogma™ is a new invention, a newcomer attempting to upset a long-established scientifically factual conclusion -- therefore the burden of proof is on the atheist.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
I don't have to convince anyone, because the vast majority of intelligent human beings on the planet also know that Theism is in the right, and atheism is wrong.
The vast majority always has accepted Theism and rejected atheist dogma™, and the vast majority always will.
It is the atheist who must somehow, someday do some convincing, but as of this time, you fail.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
Problem is, nobody believes you, and that's because you have no evidence for your bizarre claims about God.
The reason why the vast majority of human beings easily comprehend the ample scientific and logical evidence for God's factual appearance and activities is that they are smarter than animals. The reason why you don't is because you're not.
You fantasize that someone will someday believe you, but it won't happen: face reality.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
The lower animals, such as the pig, the mosquito, and the jellyfish, also lack the intelligence to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities that the vast majority of intelligent human beings comprehend easily.
Sadly, the fact that a single Youtube member is on the exact same intelligence level as the lower animal disproves nothing about God's factual appearance or activities.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
Where is your evidence for your claims? You have none -- everything you posted is nothing but your own unsupported, dogmatic, personal belief.
The vast majority of human beings disagree with you, and only the lower animal is on your excessively low level of "intelligence," unable to grasp any portion of the ample scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities.
I will pray for you.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
The atheist is always angry, scared, and confused, and that is why the world laughs at him.
The reason why the whole world rejects the atheist's arguments so readily is that they are all firmly convinced of the scientific facts of God's appearance and activities.
The Theists have nobody left to convince, but the atheist has the whole world to convince.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
Who exactly is it that you imagine I need to convince? The vast majority of human beings on this planet already accept God's appearance and characteristics and activities to be scientific facts, and the atheist, whose intellect is on the exact same level as the pig, cannot be convinced of anything that goes against his dogmatic belief system anyway.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
"What follows will easily be pegged by those who want to as nitpicking."
Mr. Dickson, you'd do a better job of convincing anyone that what follows ISN'T nitpicking if you actually believed that yourself. If you thought you had anything even remotely substantial to challenge Hitchens & co. with, you wouldn't be on the back foot before you've even finished your first sentence. As it is, this video IS nothing more than nitpicking. Petty, pointless nitpicking.
garethac81 1 year ago
Even if you're right, the rest of my argument still stands, and the book you base your life on is bullshit. Go read other books. =D
DanLightning 2 years ago
What's with all the crazy Jesus lovers from Aus/New Zeal?
tmhypheng 2 years ago
There are Theists in every country. In fact, Theists outnumber the atheist by a giant margin -- the vast majority of intelligent human beings on the planet accept Theism and reject atheist dogma™.
You will find Theists in every country on the planet, and in incredible abundance. You have failed to provide evidence of anyone who is "crazy," however.
Purushadasa 2 years ago
You don't have to be crazy to be wrong.
kevinscales 2 years ago
@kevinscales LOL... But it sure helps!
MyContext 1 month ago
@Purushadasa
In 1998, a survey of 517 US scientists showed that 93% of them were atheists. In 1997, FBP prison statistics showed that 0.209% of US inmates were atheists. Now, you were saying something about how "the vast majority of intelligent people" accept theism and reject atheism...?
garethac81 1 year ago
You made up both of those fake statistics. Next time you lie at least claim them to be recent, not arcane and outdated.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
@Purushadasa
For the prison statistic, see the official records of the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which keeps statistics on the religious affiliation of US inmates. For the scientist statistic, see the paper published by Edward J. Larson and Larry Witham: "Leading Scientists Still Reject God." I understand why you'd want to believe I was making these stats up - they do, after all, make your previous statement look very, very foolish - but unfortunately for you, they are perfectly genuine.
garethac81 1 year ago
Liar.
I looked up those records at the sources you mentioned, and they don't match your concocted numbers.
Also, that other guy was right -- even the years that you tacked on weren't current anyway, so even if they weren't lies, which they are, they would be seriously outdated. No, I'm leaning towards believing the other guy -- at least he's not making up false stats like you did.
Ravloma 1 year ago
@Ravloma
"I looked up those records at the sources you mentioned, and they don't match your concocted numbers." OK, I'll play along with your little charade...what WERE the numbers that you looked up from records I cited? Come on...you say I'm lying, so PROVE IT. What were the REAL statistics from those studies?
I can't wait to hear this...
garethac81 1 year ago
@Ravloma
Why so quiet? It's easy to call me a liar, but when I challenge you to back up your accusation, you run and hide!
0.209% of US prison inmates were atheist as of 1997...that figure is spot on, and the record can be googled for anyone to see. And unless you are dumb enough to suggest that there's been a drastic rise in atheist crime in the last 10 years, I think we can cut the bullshit about that stat being "seriously outdated".
garethac81 1 year ago
In 1998, Larson & Witham's survey found that 7% of 517 US scientists were theists...that figure is also spot on, and can also be verified on Google. I will admit to one inaccuracy...of the other 93%, 72.2% are atheists...I failed to mention that 20.8% were agnostic/"don't know". Of course, this still proves that theism is a tiny minority among US scientists, and this minority has been consistently shrinking for nearly a century.
THAT, my friend, is checkmate.
garethac81 1 year ago
@Purushadasa
It may also interest you to know that Larson and Witham's 1998 survey also references 2 previous surveys of US scientists, conducted in 1914 and 1933, respectively. The three surveys combined show a steady decline in theism in the US scientific community over the last 100 years, from 27% in 1914, to 15% in 1933, to 7% in 1998. Scary, huh? Better close your eyes and pretend the numbers aren't real! Or look them up for yourself...whatever suits you best.
garethac81 1 year ago
1914 and 1933?!?!? How far back in time are you willing to go? Ever heard of using up-to-date statistics? How about using real ones as well, instead of making them up, like you did with these ones?
It's very easy for you to place a series of fake, imagined numbers into a post, in a desperate attempt to make a case for your foolish beliefs, but I looked up the actual numbers, and they don't match yours.
Nobody believes your lies, garethac. That other guy was right on.
Check mate.
Ravloma 1 year ago
@Ravloma
"Checkmate"? *LMAO*
First you say that you looked up the statistics yourself, and they were different than the ones I posted here...then you say the statistics are imaginary, and I made up my sources! You can't even decide which kind of bullshit to throw! *LOL*
garethac81 1 year ago
@Purushadasa
I notice you ran off after accusing me of "making up" my statistics, just like Ravloma...do you have the guts to come back and back up your accusation? Or do you have nothing to back it up with, just Ravloma?
garethac81 1 year ago
I'm curious to hear of these people taking on atheist on the macro-level and actually doing a good job. I've heard quite a few people attempt this and non can give any convincing arguments. This doofus just says there are some people doing a good job at that, doesn't any thought.
cc3814 2 years ago
Okay, so there are some inaccuracies in the books of the major atheists. I expected as much, since I don't really find their publications on a whole appealing, even as an atheist.
However, this seems to be nothing more than a literary redirecting, and a geographical correction. Nothing was really established.
I don't think that there's much worry if there is some "atheist movement". The Christian religious movement is orders of magnitude larger.
ReasonDefender 2 years ago
Man, I don't really ever comment on youtube, but I've been watching alot of theism vs atheism clips and have been appalled at the fundamentalist trash that you dawkinites spew in your comments. Here's a funny idea, if you disagree with a premise or think a conclussion doesn't follow, explain why. I know Christian fundo's are equally anoying but they seem much more of a lost cause so I'm not going to bother.
muhnlaven 2 years ago
'Here's a funny idea, if you disagree with a premise or think a conclussion doesn't follow, explain why' Well I suppose you could call me a 'dawkinite' (never heard that one before), though I don't agree with everything he says. Go on, give me a claim you theists make that we think doesn't follow through.
noodles321321 2 years ago
This fellow needs a whole lot of words to say very little.
TBlake34 2 years ago
The qualities that make one a flea have nothing to do with degrees or awards.
It has to do with the quality of argument. If a Nobel Prize winning physicist advanced a stupid theist argument they would be a flea in so far as that stance is concerned.
TBlake34 2 years ago
this guys an idiot.
chuckmagnet 2 years ago
He is as much as possible saying "the new atheist movement" and "the atheist project" just to try to enhance the American way of thinking that we are some small crazy minority who don't know what we're talking about.
Again, christians can't win arguments with logic, and must instead win by brainwashing the people and offer comfort.
wehavebiscuits 2 years ago
"...Of course makes me much less then a flea..."
You are more like a piece of corn in the feces of Richard Dawkins.
Gwisss 2 years ago
Haha! I couldnt' agree more. Looking through these manipulative, conjecture ridden, clumsy videos - I've decided to report this channel to YouTube. I wish these religious Christians and Muslims would just to live on the moon or something, I'm tired and sick of their pushiness and small mindedness.
alpuretim 2 years ago
wow this is so retarded he has no idea wut hes talkin bout
toloverufan2 2 years ago
LOL. the attempts they go to. Look guys, simply produce your miracles and you win.
cjunk351 3 years ago
Evidence would convince me. Remember I WAS a believer. Despite what you think, I read the bible. I reference it often. It just doesn't work in your head because I come to different conclusions than you. So you scream out accusations and take my words out of context. You refer to personal responsibility when I explained how scapegoating on a human sacrifice is anything but responsible. I turn my back on absurdity, not imaginary sky tyrants.
kev3d 3 years ago
"If ye shall ask ANY thing in my name, I WILL do it."
This is obviously not the case and you are making your own interpretations. You claim moral superiority that comes from god YET this very god would only heal, say a child with leukemia if it is in line with HIS desires. If this is not immoral, I do not know what is. "I could heal you, everyone who loves you wants you healed and they pray to me to heal you, but screw it; Its not what I want."
kev3d 3 years ago
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Ergo, praying for disease to be healed SHOULD work. But as usual, we see Jesus as a liar, god as cruel or incompetent and the followers of both Rationalize square circles to justify their wacky views.
kev3d 3 years ago
Wrong. Because it is written does not make it true. Further, "Blessed are the meek" is stupid and untrue. There is no such thing as "blessings" or "curses". Even so, you are still cherry picking the stories. Don't forget when Jesus destroys the lively hood of some farmer by killing his pigs in the ridiculous story of the casting of the demons. God's nature and not his words tell us what to do? The god of the bible is a murderous, jealous asshole.
kev3d 3 years ago
Cont. This is part of the problem. People think "what would Jesus do?" Yet Jesus DOESN'T actually tell us. Imagine a person suffering from cancer, sincere prayers and medicine have not worked and the person lingers in constant pain and wants to die. Would Jesus help the person die? Would he leave him alone? Curse him for not being a christian? Heal him? We can never know because JESUS DOESN'T EXIST. Yet this scenario plays out thousands of times a year bringing needless suffering.
kev3d 3 years ago
Show me one error that I have made? Further, show one thing Jesus got right? If Jesus was right, no doctors would be needed. If Jesus was right, the Kingdom of Heaven would have been established before all the apostles were dead. You have not responded to any points I raised. Either god puts more importance of the free will of murderers over the lives of victims, or he doesn't exist, or would like to help but cannot. A&C are immoral and impotent so B. fits the evidence to me.
kev3d 3 years ago
If a man was to leave his wife and children, his job, all means of support and then go around preaching, would that be moral? Of course not, yet it is completely within the teachings of Jesus. Jesus never condemned slavery. Jesus also said that Mosaic law was still (and always) valid. You cannot pick and choose what of Jesus you like and what parts you cannot reconcile. And lets not forget the HORRIBLE doctrine of unlimited punishment for limited crimes, including "bad" thoughts.
kev3d 3 years ago
Turn the other cheek? Love your enemy? Do you love Hitler or Osama Bin Laden? Should the free nations "turn the other cheek" when they are attacked? Of course not. The "Morality" of Jesus is as nonsensical as it is inadequate. Jesus also said to abandon everything to be his disciple, including ones family. Jesus even says in a Parable "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." And Parables supposedly contain truth.
kev3d 3 years ago
No, since Hitler's platform was clearly of no benefit to humanity. You keep inferring without evidence.
kev3d 3 years ago
I seem to recall reading somewhere that Germany roundly lost WWII. Clearly what Hitler was doing was NOT for the benefit of humanity. More on the Intrinsic nature of god; apparently he sits back and does nothing why atrocities occur, many in his name. He endows us with morals, but not strong enough for everyone to follow. He refuses to violate free will, yet will allow the free will of a little girl be violated by a murderer. The ultimate do as I say, not as I do hypocrite; with bloody results
kev3d 3 years ago
Cont. Let us consider Andrea Yates, who murdered her 5 children. She said "It was the seventh deadly sin. My children weren't righteous. They stumbled because I was evil. The way I was raising them, they could never be saved. They were doomed to perish in the fires of hell." God, again, was silent on the matter. Just because she seems crazy to us does not mean that it isn't perfectly moral and part of gods plan. We are charged with making sense of such a crime. Morals begin and end with us.
kev3d 3 years ago
And how do YOU know which god is talking to you? Would god say one thing and then instruct others to do another? This makes this god at best; horribly inconsistent and at worst, a vicious liar. People who murder because they hear "gods voice" to do so could never be condemned in your universe since there is no way to falsify it. The perpetrators are sincere and ancient texts support the idea that god whispers, sometimes very strange things in people's ears.
kev3d 3 years ago
Cont. Lets take for example; Philip Badowski who murdered his parents. When questioned he said "Honestly, you really want to know? I shot 'em. God told me to. About 10:45 p.m., I was reading the Bible. God told me he needed me to do it." Now we can dismiss this as lies or psychosis but we cannot say god DIDN'T say it, because god won't say to the rest of us one way or another. How do YOU presume to know the mind of god more than him? Or Jim Jones? Or David Koresh? Or Abraham? Or Muhammad?
kev3d 3 years ago
Hitler died defeated, depressed and globally shamed. His country lie in ruins, millions of him people dead. Clearly, he was wrong. As for individual murderers and rapists; this what we have the law for. It doesn't take a genius or a god to craft laws that protect us. Obviously murderers don't poll the victims family and community so they cannot say that it is a benefit. Being moral is looking beyond oneself and ones own needs and wants. This is what we expect in a social primate civilization.
kev3d 3 years ago