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  • да да национальность Руми не имеет значения но он писал на таджикском. Маснавии маънавии мавлави, Хаст Куръон бо забони пахлави. ()а пахлави это есть форси, точики, дари). Фахмо узбаклар, биродар(лар), дуст(лар)

  • да да национальность Руми не имеет значения но он писал на таджикском. Маснавии маънавии мавлави, Хаст Куръон бо забони пахлави. ()а пахлави это есть форси, точики, дари)

  • Salaam! Jalaaliden mohamad Blkhi Rumi eng falasof va khodaga yaqen inssan!

  • Rumi says mind is a chevalier and soul is a horse, if you don't feed the horse chevalier can't go far.

    Why does he say this? He says it because we need to feed our soul (with good) in order not to fall victims to our own imperfections.

    You do not need to feed a soul that is, by God, good whereas another, by God, is evil.

  • WOnderful! I am so happy to see you star t the first step, learning MOULANA

    Try harder and I promise you will understand the next!

    Wanna help, just ask me sonny!

  • I know a little bit about him and that is the sole reason I have been arguing with you here. I seems like you know nothing about him except his persianness.

    Pity you, you are such a lowly creature.

  • tarakkiyot,

    At least you confessed you know a little bit about Moulana, though, I have been honored to teach and even correct translation as part of my research!

    Wake up little KID! Talking is so cheap! Walking your talk is the most challenging!

    I assure you, YOU CANNOT FIND any historic evidence to support your BS.

    Period!

  • Shirio77

    None is perfect and I am the least likely candidate among all for that title. However there is a fundamental difference between you and me:

    I despise you personally, but it does not bar me from appreciating persian culture like all others I equally respect.

    You, in contrast, hate not me, but my culture, race, and identity. I am just another reason for you to show that hatred.

    Ironically though, this hatred you yourself before and more than anyone. I pity you.

  • *Ironically though, this hatred hurts you you yourself before and more than anyone. I pity you.

  • Indeed!

    Jalal-al-din Rumi Bashariet ghael ne!

  • Jaloliddin Rumiy fors bo'lgani uchun emas, yaxshi odam bo'lgani uchun hamma uni yaxshi ko'radi.

    Huddi shuningdek, sendan ham odamlar fors bo'lganing uchun emas, iflos odam bo'lganing uchun irganadi.

  • tarakkiyot,

    Lots of idiots like you out there who have nothing to be proud of, so they try to trash others to get credit for themselves.

    Just go educate yourself kid!

  • Like I said, people admire Rumi not because of his nationality, but because who he was, himself personally. Likewise, people despise the likes of you not because of your nationality, but because of your own filthy self.

    This is not a rocket science for me to seek more education in order to realize it, but it seems like your mental retardation impairs your ability to gasp this simple truth.

  • tarakkiyot!

    Fact is, Rumi represent a CULTURE! This is NOT a rocket Science but it seems too difficult for you to get it kid! Rumi, Hafiz, Shams, Saadi, ... were all children of a culture which promotes KNOWLEDGE! You can try to trash me as much, though, that won't help you kid! Let people decide whether they like me or not. You just represent yourself! Don't talk bigger than shit you are!~Educate yourself KID!

  • Well, I do admire that CULTURE because of those people you have listed. At the same time I feel like puking while reading 'cultural supremacists' like you. Therefore, if there is anyone who is trying to bite-off more than he can chew, it is none but you. What are you trying to prove with this type of chest-beating? It is impossible to equate you to those individuals toenails! So, face the truth and get a life douche-bag.

  • tarakkiyot,

    None-sense! Changing from Neo-Nazi to Cultural Supremacy won't help you kid! People like you with no history but a heritage of "Genocide" and "Cultural Cleansing", have been trying to claim WHAT you don't even understand as your own. Some times call the same people you claim to admire as "turk", "Islamic Scholars", etc. I don't need to beat chest for praising a great culture, though, you need to have your tail between your legs and try to build one in competition. Get a life kid!

  • You should seek medical help.

  • tarakkiyot,

    Nice try kid to avoid your weakness!

    Fact is, I have seen lots of JERKS like you claiming mouthful shit but end up full of gas!

    Fact is, The colonial power, the fundamentalist of STONE AGE, Pan Turks and CULTURAL THIEVES like you have been trying to STRIP us from our "Cultural Heritage" for Centuries in every way so they can go with their assimilation. Too Bad little KID! You need to try much harder! Seek immediate HELP!

  • tarakkiyot,

    You still need to answer my question! Claiming BS is cheap but walking your BS hard! Trying to avoid the burden of proof by accusation won't help you.

    Get wise little KID! Time to grow up! Believing is IDOL ALLAH and Pan Turk-ism is the absolute proof of ultimate STUPIDITY in 21st Century!

  • tarakkiyot,

    What if I state the fact from MOULANA RUMI Himself on Turks like you? Will you accuse him of RACISM, CULTURAL SUPREMACY,.....?

    In his famous story, he states CLEARLY when discussing a conversation of rich person building his new Mansion with his CULTURAL MENTOR (PIER) and his master ask who will build the Mansion? He say a turk builder! And Master surprisingly advice him that: "Turks are good only for DESTRUCTION NOT CONSTRUCTION". He is referring to CULTURE not RACE!

  • You are misrepresenting his remarks. The warrior-like nature of Turks has been acknowledged by many Islamic scholars and figures. There is a prototyping of Turks was fierce warriors in the Arabic-Persian-Turkic cultural medium, as the famous saying goes "Arabs are good preachers, Persians are good lawyers, and Turks are good military men." The history can account for this as well, Turks have always excelled in the art of war, just like Persians did in literature.

  • Tarakkiyot!

    Warrior! You are absolutely misrepresenting the CODE of PAHLAVANI (Warrior Code). Being a warrior is being the most humble to the weaks, Just educate yourself on the history! Killing innocent women, kids, and pregnant women is absolutely of the Warrior Code. Tell us about Neyshabour 1.5 millions massacre! Tell us who KILLED ATTAR, the Guy who most INFLUENCED JALAL AL DIN RUMI!

  • You are trying to make generalizations based on appeals to emotion and consistently repeating derogatory remarks about a certain group. This does not mean you are right and everyone must trust you.

    You cannot make generalizations based on selected facts or lying by omitting other facts.

    Conflicts during those times involved mass killings of innocent people regardless of ethnic affiliation of the parties. No nation treated its enemies with the kind of 'code' you are bluffing about, none.

  • tarakkiyot,

    How simple minded you can be to make such a stupid statement!

    Turk excelling the war? You should be kidding or so ignorant on history! Savageness and excelling the war are completely two different subjects! Excelling imply one to one similar condition in any literature. Turks massacre the innocent because of LACK OF CONFIDENCE! Educate yourself on art of WAR and PAHLAVANI Kid!

  • Constantly repeating certain things does not make them truth. This applies to two things here: my personality and a group of people I belong to, both of which you hate on racist grounds.

    You keep telling me 'educate yourself' and 'kid'. This does not make me believe that I have bad education. It shows you are uncomfortable with your own training and have inferiority complex about being mature and acting mature.

  • tarakkiyot,

    I have already proved everyone that you belong to pan-Turk as you already confessed. So stop talking about your group of people. You have no idea of your own Identity. Take a DNA before claiming Identity. Talking about race? That is B.S! Be real and talk about real subject!

    That won't help your master Turk in Istanbul!

  • I may not have the exact DNA with every single person who sees himself as Turk, but it does not create a problem for me at all. Being racially pure is not a sacrosanct purpose of my life.

    As far as check-ups go, however, it seems like a really good idea for you to check your mental and emotional well-being.

  • Don't worry kid! I just had my annual check-up and I am stronger of your imagination.

    Calling me Racist won't cover up your real savage desire to destroy other race! Talking about Temur, a guy who never did anything but killing as many he could, shows your real intention. You are just a liar! Pretending what you are not

  • Believing that others have some kind of concealed plans against you or your group is a red flag in psychiatry.

    I don't idealize Temur just because he was a Turk, he was as much of a killer as any other emperor of those times was or would have wanted to be. The fact that he invaded persia does not prove persian kings were benign rulers. Invasion during those times was a matter ability rather than a desire (it was a given).

  • tarakkiyot,

    Calling Temur as like any other emperor is insulting HISTORY and Humanity.

    Read about Cyrus, the Great at least book by his enemy, Xenophon and learn about real Emperor of hearts and mind

  • Dehumanizing Temur does not help you to make monsters out of Turks.

    If he was bad His Grandson Ulughbek was good, he ruled Turkistan for 50 years and made only two military raids, but contributed to science, art, and culture instead.

    Likewise, if Cyrus was good, there were other blood-sucking persian rulers who frequently raided ancient greece and turan.

    abandon this racially biased moral dualism, it is not going to help you much.

  • When you say something, support it with facts! Duality is fact of life! Even base on Marxism. Just read a bit of Philosophy and you understand what I mean

    By the way, when you talk about someone grandson, just understand what culture he adapted to make him good. This is all the point I have been trying to make but to hard for you to GET IT!

  • Ulughbek makes it very clear who he is and which culture he belongs to in his "To'rt Ulus Tarihi" book.

    He was a grandson of Temur, who was born in Sultonia, a destroyed and renamed town in Northern Iran and grew up in Karabagh, a territory currently invaded by Armenia.

  • You are saying this because you worship Manichean thinking. Do you know anything else about Rumi except that he is persian?

    Duality is an illusion, not a fact.

    The mere fact that some observations tend to have dual patterns or alternations does not mean it is a FACT of life.

    Good vs. evil thinking is misleading. Moral absolutism is wrong, a person, cannot be absolutely good or conclusively evil. It is a mixture of both, that is what separates us from angels. This is a Rumiean thinking.

  • tarakkiyot,

    Tell me on MIDWAY between BAD or GOOD! Shadows are just invasion of DARKNESS in Light territory! Come on little kid! Time to stand to facts!

    You cannot play words forever! People of CULTURE know very well of MIDWAY FAULTY kids like you who try to overcome their short-come by blaming the WORLD, though that won't help in real life! You are either with FACTS or against it!

  • @Shirio77 I think you want to show people that you read a lot of books(your own history and literature) and want to show that you are smart and cultured man, sorry you are not.

    I'm very glad that Tarakkiyot stoped discussing with you.

    Reading and learn by rote is not enough, you must understand and apply in life what you read. You have really shit soul. I will not write you answer, you must know that Tarrakiyot is more objective and smarter than you!

  • tarakkiyot,

    My dear son,

    You need to grow up! A famous adverb say,

    Giram ke to ra pedar bood Faazel

    Az fazle Pedar to ra chehaasel?

    Got it?

  • tarakkiyot,

    I absolutely can prove you with reference to Moulana on what I state. Though, you have to promise to accept the facts. It will be direct to the point!

    Stand like a man at least once in your life!

  • Tarakkiyot,

    Let me just give you one EXAMPLE of what I just said about Warrior's CODE of HONOR, if you ever intended to gain honor and integrity!

    Shahname, Ferdousi (Soltaan Mahmoud, a turk in race but ... considered him the greatest poet):

    Jahan afarin Taa Jahan aafarid

    Savari cho Rustam nayavard Padid

    Dele Shier darado tane Zhende Piel

    Nahangaan bar aarad ze daryaye niel!

    Wanna translation?

  • "A Turk in race but..." this is your failure and the proof of your real face.

    You are a racist because you hate another race and see your own as superior to it.

    Makhmud Ghaznaviy was a TURK not only who 'considered Perdosi the greatest poet' but was his PATRON. He patronized Perdosi who could not get support from his fellow persians.

    I don't have a whole a lot of admiration to this individual as he 'thanked' his patron by writing a poem that derided his patron's race.

  • tarakkiyot,

    Are you out of your mind?

    Do you realize what you are saying? Did you honestly ever read Perdousi's Shahnameh and try to understand it?

    How calling me or him make you happy? I don't ask you to admire or blame any INDIVIDUAL but I ask you to read his work before making any conclusion

    His consideration of great race is NOT about RACE but STATE of MIND! I can easily prove it to you.

  • When he invaded Iran, Amir Temur later asked him at his grave why he bit the hand that fed him.

    Keep this racist idol of yours and his poems for yourself. The motives of the poem are largely stolen from Turkic "Alp Er Tunga Marsiyasi" anyway.

  • tarakkiyot,

    At least I read "Temur's Book". titled "I am the Temur, the Conqueror" before stating any comment about him, did you?

    Try it and see how he respect Perdousi and Rustam and their Culture. Especially read when he go to Sistaan and talk to the guy on his way

  • I told you Perdosi's Shohnoma is built upon stolen motives of Turkic "Alp Er Tunga Marsiyasi".

    I don't like that poem due to low moral levels of conduct of Perdosi and his racial prejudice against another nation which his patron and I belong to.

  • tarakkiyot,

    You are just so funny! Turk "Alp Er Tunga Marsiyasi"?

    You should be either so ignorant or simply a liar!

    Come on Kid! Who should be so stupid tio listen to such a non-sense? How can an international organization call a year in his honor and yet kid like you shamelessly claim so?

  • I frequently use my entitlement for my own opinion rather than following what everyone is doing.

    This particular opinion of mine about Perdosi might be wrong, absolutely baseless, and even stupid. But please be assured that it is not a RACIST opinion like yours.

  • tarakkiyot,

    I won't mind you call me RACIST but everyone can easily sense that is to COVER UP your REAL RACIST Intention! Perdousi, was a great HUMAN who made the GREATEST EVER EPIC in Human Culture. He will be remembered forever even after you and I gone forever and no one ever remember us. Wake up to facts and be honest!

  • 'cover up your real bla, bla, bla' another red flag for psychiatrists.

    Like I said, I may be wrong about Perdosi, but I do not like his racially prejudiced depiction of Turks under conditions where he was patronized by a Turk and stole the motives of a Turkic epic.

  • tarakkiyot,

    This is the guy, who wrote his EPIC when Soultan Mahmoud was in power! You should be kidding to state non-sense as so or so ignorant about history! Which one?

  • Are you suggesting that writing a racist poem despite the fact that your patron belongs to the race your belittling is a noble act?

  • tarakkiot,

    You never read even a single poem and yet dare to call it RACIST? You should be so IGNORANT!

    Tell me how Shahname Starts if you ever read it?

    Or you should SHUT up and apologize!

  • I will sleep now but I will give you by tomorrow to WALK your TALK or just SHUT UP KID!

  • I hope you will wake up as a better human being, hope dies the last.

  • tarakkiyot,

    I sure understand what he said. I sure agree with his point, though that doesn't mean to deny Jalal-al-Din Balkhi's real Identity

    Wakata? vereshtehen sie, Understand?

  • I am not contesting his ethnic affiliation at all. It matters very little to me in the light of ideas he spoke of.

    His ethnicity obviously matters to you a lot. You have all your rights to be proud of him and belonging to the same ethnicity with him. However, you cannot be entitled to the same kind of respect and appreciation simply by associating yourself with him on ethnic grounds.

  • tarakkiyot,

    You need to read RUMI before posting your foolish STUPID comment!

    Coming with big mouth and trashing others won't help you kid!

    You have already accepted that you have no CULTURE! Wanna me to prove you that your RELIGION is nothing aslo but a SATANIC SECT?

  • Just wonderful!

    Especially his playing TAAR, the most difficult of PERSIAN Instrument!

    This is a guy of TALENT!

  • jaloliddin rumi was and is a lover of allah

    s.w.t, he was in the sufi path. his nationality does not matter. he is still

    making progress in peoples heart. may allah

    give him and his family peace. ameen.

  • akramrashid!

    Ridiculous! You never read even a bit of RUMI yet try to claim him as your SATANIC religion?

    Choonke bi rangi ba rang dar JANG shod

    Isavi ba mousavi dar jang shod!

    Kid! Only fool try to paint RUMI with colors like Satanic religions! He was far beyond religion! He was just GOD himself! Open your heart!

  • cellaladdin rumi´s nationality was turkish, and uzbeks language is also turkish

  • it is impossible to understand Rumi`s poems when they are translated! he wrote in Persian and he didn't use even one turkish word in entire of his poems! you are simply illiterate my brother!

  • two thumbs up! he's been persian the biggest evidence is that he wrote his poems in persian! who cares where his tomb is?!

  • Original language of Jaloliddin Rumi iz Farsi-Dari! Why did you wright that his original language is Uzbek?

  • Here I'm refering to the language of the performance.

  • Yeah that's right. That's is translation. Anyway Rumi was a great poet and sufi and we love him.

  • sheralining qushiqlari hech qachon o'lmaydi

    katta rahmat yana kutib qolamiz jamshid USA

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