Six Wives of Henry VIII - Jane Seymour

[rohansrider]

The Other Boleyn Girl is a totally inaccurate book even though it is written by an historian. Better to read Alison Weir on Anne Boleyn as you will get the truth as she researched it very well and was very sympathetic to Anne's cause.

[Grolloo]

Thank you for posting this up - the wonderful Anne Stallybrass (who played Anne Onedin in 'The Onedin Line' as Jane Seymour. Wonderful.

[1981Galadriel]

This actress actually does look like Jane's portrait. I agree Anne and Jane were both calculating. But what tips the scale in Jane's favour for me is that she was kind to Mary at a time when the poor girl was out of favour. Anne of Cleves and Kate Parr were kind as well (though I've heard Mary and Kate's relationship became distant later), so the lady of the hour certainly didn't have to be cruel to become Henry's queen. This portrayal made Jane seem like a great lady.

[burtonrules123]

wouldnt it be hilarious if they actually got jayne seymour the actress to play jane seymour the queen? 

[QueenAnneBoleyn1536]

wow....I like this Jane..!!! when she says that Anne was innocent...it makes me believe that she was truly a good woman..but I hate Jane in the tudors season 2 when she is preparing for Henry and Anne is preparing for her execution..

[ligreekguy]

The book on Lady Rochford even has difficulty in explaining how someone such as herself, who was so careful in staying clear of all the court intrigues, could show such a lapse of judgment in covering up for the adultery of Catherine Howard. It could have been a hidden resentment toward Henry for having her husband executed, loveless marriage or not, or perhaps because she took pity on the teenaged Catherine for being married to an old and fat man. Gossip and spying at court were still high.

[TudorRose85]

I hate the actress playing Jane Rochford. She's too old. Lady Rochford was born around 1510 she would have been in her 20s.

[ligreekguy]

@TudorRose85

Agreed! Have you seen the recently published book about Lady Rochford? The author reveals a softer and much more attractive image of her (attitude as well as physical appearance), and denies that she had any complicity in accusing George and Anne Boleyn of their alleged offenses. Her marriage was not likely an ideal one, however, though the lack of children could have meant an inability of either spouse to reproduce. The Boleyn Girl claims George was gay, but that is ludicrous.

[ligreekguy]

I agree that Jane was not above the type of scheming found in any number of other women desiring to become Queen, but she clearly did not possess the raw ambition or the cruelty that Anne Boleyn could wield. She was also not as intelligent as Anne, and therefore was easily manipulated by her ambitious relatives. (Look, she was 27, still not married, and living at home!) The only wife who did not have any self-seeking agenda was Anne of Cleves, and she ended up in the best manner.

[verobinful]

Jane Seymour was impatient to became queen. She was the less innocent of all the 6 wives! 5 innocents men died with queen Anne and the supposing innocent girl whose motto was "to serve and obey" was not very disturb by all that bloody! But the futur always establish the truth. She died naturally 18 months later, and edouard was weak and died young...She was everything except innocent!

[bripat22]

@2010endofanerror.  Amen!

[2012endofanerror]

Thank you for this posting, you weaved these scenes together quite well! Too bad the Tutors series wasn't as well done as this version. I know that I am probably in the minority but that's the way I feel.

[JuzTudor70AD]

RIP Anne Boleyn & Jane Seymour. You deserve a better husband than Henry VIII

[bookkeeper57]

This man was the image of the historic Henry VIII, as seen in Holbein's portraits and described by his contemporaries. He was supported by six talented actresses who not only played their roles, but resembled the real women.

[mckfrr]

It was only the certain people making the Catholic churches corruptible, not all Catholics were evil, just like not all Protestants were saints, both were guilty.

[uniquesongstress]

Its sad that Anne gets such a bad reputation, when in reality she was more of a tool that the men in her familiy used to acheive greatness, exactly as they did with her sister.

[bripat22]

If only Jane had lived and Edward had Been nurtured under her Catholic influence, the later radical "Reformation" would have Been averted

[2012endofanerror]

@bripat22 The more I learn of this era the more I am so thankful I live now. I would have been so confused. Good and bad has resulted from everything that passed - just as it always does, glad I didn't have to swear any oath.

[gotch09]

I thought Katherine Howard was the most interesting wife.

[GoMidoriIsCool]

what's the insterment being played at very begging? when the picture of and jane and the actress is shown i think it's a lovley insterment

[Sztriki86]

Nice statistics.6 wives,6 marriages & just 1 of them could be buried next to him,because he took "care" of the others not to be considered as lawful wives.Why do u people love 1 of them and hate others?They were all victims of this big fat blob,but still,he loved them all,ALL!In fact,Jane didn't deserve to be the best beloved wife more or less than the others(ok,maybe not K.H:),she was just damn lucky(for 2weeks)by giving birth to a boy.Don't hate&curse any of them!But if u need to,curse Henry:)

[Sztriki86]

I love something about all the wives 'cause they're all fascinating in different ways.I was just thinking,people keep saying that only Jane was buried in Henry's tomb.But hey,let's face it,none of the other wives could be buried there as well.Catherine of Aragon's marriage was declared invalid,the same happened to Anna of Cleves,Anne Boleyn&Katheryn Howard were declared traitors & Katherine Parr married someone else after H died,so:the wife who could be buried next to him "legally"was only Jane

[eviltree997]

And once again my opinion is 'incorrect'.

Seriously though people if you hate Jane what are you doing on this page?

[NicolaWriter]

I don't quite understand why Jane Seymour is hated. She did to Anne what Anne did to Queen Katherine. In fact,she borrowed from Anne Boleyn's playbook and used her own game against her. What Anne did was equally foul. So why is Jane villified and Anne upheld? Didn't Anne go after a married man? Didn't she prance about in front of Queen Katherine? Didn't she use pretty lines and game on King Henry? What goes round comes round.

Anne didn't deserve to be murdered,but karma surely hit her.

[NicolaWriter]

Also,Jane seems to have enough sense,unlike AB,to realize she was dealing with a flaming loon. SHe acted accordingly. I like AB,she did what she had to do,but she was no saint . All these women played a hard game and paid for it. We all talk about spirit and such,but if confronted with a ruthless nutter with absolute power,who humiliated and destroyed one wife and killed another,we would take Jane's atttiude of submission as well.

[evaperonfan]

I thought you didn't like Anne...

[evaperonfan]

I personally think it's the opposite. I think it' s Anne who's vilified while Jane is upheld.

[Sztriki86]

Yes,Jane probably did the same thing as Anne.But I think they both had to obey their family's ambitious men,that's how life went in those days:(Neither of the 2 were saints:)The difference to me is that Anne stood up for herself once she had power while Jane kept her mouth shut,which was a wise thing to do.I love them both,but I don't judge them because we just don't know that much,and what we know about Anne is largely from unfriendly sources.But don't forget,Karma hit Jane as much as Anne!

[evaperonfan]

Me? I hate Jane because of her personality.

[DeirdreDiandra]

why?did you met her?did you lived with her in your past life?you guys seem so...strange.you talk like if everything you watched on the tv is infact right...go and see some documentary before you judge the one queen that trully deserved to be loved as she was,By Henry.

[linegenrou]

True lol

[NicolaWriter]

I actually admire her for it. We all talk a good game,a 21st century game. If we had lived back then,given the expectations of society AND the fact King Henry had humiliated one wife and chopped the head off another,we would have been quite subservient.

Jane knew when to fold and that doesn't make her less than any of the other wives.

[bookkeeper57]

Jane was between a rock and a hard place:  the King and her scheming relatives. I would not feel flattered by the attention of a rogue like Henry, knowing he divorced a lady of rank, and executed another, for failing to bear a child of the right sex.

[NicolaWriter]

@bookkeeper57

Can you imagine how bad your nerves would be? I'd be consuming a good amount of ye olde ale!

[evaperonfan]

@NicolaWriter I think Herod the Great was worse when it came to wives. He had TEN of them!

[GoMidoriIsCool]

@NicolaWriter when did u meet her?

[NicolaWriter]

No. She's quite dead.

[GoMidoriIsCool]

what year was it when you met the queen?

[LadySarahMichelle]

Thats the only thing i liked about jane, that she was kind to mary and elizabeth

[MzLoathsome]

how many wives did he have...

[YoungestMangaka]

He had six wives Cathrine of Aragon who bore him Princess Mary Elizabeth's half sister, Anne Boleyn who bore him Princess Elizabeth, then there was Jane Seymour who gave him Prince Edward, then Anne of Cleves who didn't bear him any children, then there was Cathrine Howard Anne Boleyn's cousin who was beheaded, then finnaly there was Cathrine Parr who gave him no children.

[MzLoathsome]

thxs!! :)

[LadySarahMichelle]

Quite welcome! ;]

[LadySarahMichelle]

six.

[MzLoathsome]

thanks! :)

[GoddessofHyrule]

900,000!

[wresltgal]

both anne and jane were hypocrites you can't say bad things about one when they both did the same thing

[Melanie255]

wow i am shocked so many people are interested in this shit :D

[rydag11]

@Melanie255 If you think it is shit why did you watch it?

[007InMiami]

Why did british TV videotape interior scenes and filmed the exterior ones back in those days? Never understood this.

[12from12]

I love all this judgement by 21st century standards. Henry achieved immortality

[themainthing1974]

I can't imagine having to have sex with that lard ass. YUCK!!!

[califgirl101]

What an incredible montage this is! I'm such a fan of this series. I also admire Keith Michell's performance as King Henry! His Majesty tried so much to have a son with the exception of Mary and Elizabeth. I must also add that Jane Seymour made a beautiful queen and stepmother. Thank you so very much for sharing this wonderfull montage with us!

[AnaliaHyrule]

I dislike this wife.

[MelinaPendulum]

Why?

[AnaliaHyrule]

She had no personality, she was about as exciting as a dirty dishrag.

[MelinaPendulum]

She was sweet, kind and loving person. Just because she wasn't wild and fiery like anne doesn't mean she has no personality. Not everyone can be that kind of person

[kathCT]

Jane Seymour was an excellent stepmother. I like how she debated with the minister over Princess Mary. Henry VIII was an evil man to do what he did to his wives and children. I know Jane Seymour was able to reconcile Elizabeth and Mary to their father, and I admire her for that.

[FragileThings331]

I met a woman who looks exactly like Jane's painting working at the pharmacy, all she needed was the gablehood It took everything I had not to start giggling

[Serenityluver]

I like How she plays Jane. She even looks how I thought that Jane would look. Not exactly a beauty, but still attractive in her way.

[KatiyaKramer]

Interesting thing to point out, at the end when Henry mourning Jane, you can see Jane's chest moving up and down as the actress breathes.

JANE'S STILL ALIVE HENRY! XD

[PrincessSocks3]

"Having secured a son for the King, Jane dies before she is crowned as Henry's third Queen Consort."

Wow, I knew she had a son and then died, but I didn't know that was before she was crowned! That blows, poor Jane. :(

[FlashGORDONXVFFR]

she was proclaimed queen, but not crowned

[Veetoria]

I don't think any of his wives were crowned except Katherine....

But I may be wrong..

[ReganIX]

Anne Boleyn was also crowned. She had a very lavish coronation, one that apparently including some elements that were associated with the coronation of the ruling monarch, not the consort.

[starryian007]

I am not sure that Jane Seymour had an inkling about 'women's rights' What she spoke out for was in fact a form of restitution of Catholicism - at least in name. This is where Jane's sympathies lay. How much of this was actually lip-service on behalf of those who supported the belief is unknown. I think you have viewed Jane with somewhat rose-coloured spectacles. This does not take away from the fact that she was indeed a brave and devout lady. Fondly remembered.

[XxCrazygal2007xX]

wow she died a bit quick didnt she, in reality it was 12 days after the birth right? im sure it was good portrayal of jane tho i must admit although im not a fan of jane seymour at all

[Ladissea]

In this one poor Jane felt bad that Anne died and guilty for it. I wonder if she really did feel guilt about it plus Henry lied to her about what he would do to Anne.

[XxCrazygal2007xX]

yeah i dont like jane seymour but if its proved that the real jane did feel bad about what happened to anne i probably would warm a little towards her

[bookkeeper57]

Not sure why Jane had to answer an interrogation like that by Cranmer: initiation ritual for prospective mistresses of Henry's?

[FlashGORDONXVFFR]

she was to be lady in waiting to queen anne, thats why she had to swear the oath, every citizen had to swear it actually

[lisalisa248621]

i like this video

[FlashGORDONXVFFR]

what does Mary Tudor say kneeling down? You blessings, sire?

[wresltgal]

i dont think he would have gotten rid of jane seymour because she gave him a son and he hoped that she would give him more, but sadly she died

[seramyu2005]

ANNE BOLEYN FTW :D

[christinedaae87]

i believe that Henry was genuinly sad about her death, but if she lived i wonder hw long before he woud hav turned from her? luckily we'll never knw.xxx

[XxCrazygal2007xX]

well, on the one hand i suppose no he wouldnt have abandoned her, after so many years of trying to conceive a son he wouldnt make his only living son illegitimate would he?

but i think he would have treated her like he did his other wives, by cheating on her and because she was so unlike anne boleyn i doubt she would have done anything about it and just left him to it

[Kitty273]

Therein lies the difference between Anne and Jane.

She would have kept quiet AND kept her head!

[XxCrazygal2007xX]

why would you stay quiet for HIM tho? i dnt care if a womans treated badly by their husband you don't jus 'shut your eyes and endure' you stand up for yourself im not religious or anything but 'forsaking all others' is part of the wedding vows as for a reason as are the other vows and just because he was a man didnt give him the right to break them

so anne may have lost her head but she knew where women should stand in marriages and stood up for that, you cant fault her for that

[Kitty273]

This was a different time. Women were nothing but chattel.

If you married a man who humiliated one wife and murdered the next,I suspect we all would be quiet and submissive. Jane saw upclose that King Henry was not only cruel but quite deranged. Being possessed of common sense,she chose the best option. We all say we would do this and do that but we are looking at it through a modern woman's eyes.

If we were in that time,yes,we would shut up,ESPECIALLY with a nut like King Henry,

[Kitty273]

who could have you murdered on a whim in the most gruesome way,like he did to Anne Boleyn.

[XxCrazygal2007xX]

i wouldnt have 'shut up'

i mean i would rather have had my head cut off than obey that prick who treated me badly i mean what kind of quality of life is that? id rather voice my opinions to him than keep my head low and in private whine about miserable the marriage is

[Kitty273]

So you would rather have been murdered? I am different. I would have known when to fish and when to cut bait. Here is a man who not only killed friends,he humiliated one wife and killed another.His behavior clearly indicates he is capable of anything once he feels he's been crossed.Like I said,I would have kissed KH8 garguantan ass at every opportunity. I would care every much about the quality of being alive.

S[eaking up= beheaded.

Asskisser=alive.

[XxCrazygal2007xX]

yeah actually like i said anythings better than being married to someone who treats you awfully, anne knew that as she thought of her death has an escape from her pain and torment,its even said that anne always knew shed probs end up being murdered but she carried on regardlessly, inspirational is it not? i know thats how it was back then but does that justify it? back then beating a woman up was seen as a mans right but that doesnt make it just does it? anne stuck up for herself and that is

[XxCrazygal2007xX]

again inspirational because of the time she lived in. she was a woman ahead of her time, and knew that women shouldnt be badly treated, and like i said its wonderful that women had someone who would stand up for the rights they should have had dont you think?

[sakiguzman]

I don't think Anne spoke up because she was a representative of women's rights...the concept didn't exist then. I think Anne just didn't realize that Henry would kill her for being outspoken. Had she realized this, its possible she wouldn't have been so feisty. I don't think Anne is to blame, but neither is Jane. Anne and Jane were victims of Henry VIII. Anne was killed not because she wasn't able to bear a son. Jane was only valued because she gave a son. Both women were innocent, IMHO.

[AndromedaMariaCarmen]

I tried to give you a thumbs up but YT won't let me.

[Elisabetta611]

Some people call it SPINELESS. I admire Anne for not bowing low and sticking up for herself. And her daughter inherited her fire and drive!

[Kitty273]

I call it common sense. I would prefer to bow low and keep my head than be fiery and beheaded.

It's like gambling,you've got to know when to hold and when to fold.

[Kodanikage]

I agree with both of you to a point. It all about timing though, Anne didn't know when not to push the envelope and Jane needed to learn when to. I think that's why Henry choose Anne as his second wife, she was a challenge whereas Catherine though a powerful queen, didn't really stimulate him. I think he went for Jane because he thought she'd be easy to predict and control whereas Anne could match him any day.

[Kitty273]

I agree with you as well.With Anne,her qualities were fiery and so different from what he was used to.Many Anne/Henry fans say this is what he loved about her. I doubt it. Anne's personality was a-ok during their courtship.But once they married,King Henry seems to have wanted her to totally change and become more like Queen Katherine.He did NOT like women with balls.Witness how he treated Queen Katherine because she refused to be just tossed aside,like he expected her to.

[Kitty273]

I would be the world's best doormat.

A king who humiliated one wife,killed anybody who opposed him,and let's not forget,had his second wife's head cut off because he was pissed is not to be fooled with.

I would be whatever King Henry wanted and kiss his garguantuan ass at every opportunity. No shame in my game.

You say this now,but I bet if you were in that time and married to the lunatic,you'd kiss ass too.

[PrincessMioneKag]

@GoddessofHyrule I'm sorry but I doubt that. The threat of the block could silence most.

[MelinaPendulum]

Spineless?

Jane did plenty of things the King didn't like: Like Supporting Mary and Elizabeth. Trying to get him to spare the rebels, etc..

Anne didn't stick up for herself. she was abandoned and payed the prince for being a spirited woman.

Jane knew how to test the waters without drowning.

[Elisabetta611]

There is little to actually PROVE that she supported either of the king's daughters OR was such a staunch Catholic. (According to recent findings) Anne always and often too hotly stood her ground. She was not abandoned for being spirited but because she "failed" as a baby-machine. Jane's only triumph. Yet....Anne gave us Elizabeth.

[MelinaPendulum]

And? Anne didn't RAISE Elizabeth. I hate how everyone gives her credit for just having Bess.

Every thing I've ever seen on Jane has shown her supporting Mary and Bess. Anne was a bad stepmother, that has also be shown countless times.

She was abandoned for not being a baby-machine and being strong enough to argue with Henry the mad man

[Elisabetta611]

Bess learned lots from Anne's example. To say the least. Standard opinion is that she supported Mary, NOT Elizabeth. And even that is questioned now. Anne was in a worse position to be a "good" stepmom, she actually tried several times to make peace/reach out to Mary which Mary haughtily refused. And whether Anne raised Liz or not...the fact remains....Had there been no Anne there would have been no Liz.

[MelinaPendulum]

She learned more from Katherine Howard, who many say whose execution made her not want to wed.

Anne asked Mary to recognize her as Queen and for the marriage with Mary's parents to be invalid.

Is that making peace to you?

No child would agree to something like that.

Had there been no Anne there would have been no Bloody Mary

[Elisabetta611]

It's the best offer Anne COULD make. BOTH parties were in an AWFUL situation. And, thanks to Henry's cruelty, she did agree to it later. Poor thing. Had there been no Anne another woman would have taken her place and Mary's life would have been a tragedy all the same. And Elizabeth learned a lot from Anne's life. How could she not? Anne was her mother!

[MelinaPendulum]

Yes, but Anne died when she was 3 and even then she didn't see Liz that often during that time. Liz lived away and then Anne was in the tower.

Also, that was the best offer she could make? She robs this girl of her mother and she wants to ask Mary to call her queen? Can you really call that a fair deal?

Had their been no Anne, Henry could have found another way, an easier way to divorce Katherine. One the Pope could have agreed to. Anne however, wanted to be Queen, so she dragged KOA down.

[Elisabetta611]

I know all this. However, her mother being killed would have an impact on ANY girl. There is no denying this.

Yes, it was the best offer. Anne did not rob Mary of her mother, HENRY made that decision. Why is the woman ALWAYS blamed for a man's cruelty? Another way? In fairy tale land, maybe. Henry considered getting rid off KOA before he even met Anne and the Pope would NEVER have agreed due to being pressured by the Emperor. Anne refused to be the king's whore, he pursued her, she accepted.

[YeOldeTune]

That's true.

I wonder myself what would have happened if Henry would have married Renee as planned. She was Queen Claude of France's sister.

[Elisabetta611]

Anne was relentlessly pursued by Henry and when he offered marriage she accepted. Like any girl back then would have.

[MelinaPendulum]

He offered her marriage when she refused to sleep with him.

Same thing that happened with Jane.

So why is Anne okay for doing this and yet Jane is called spineless for also bending to the kings will?

[YeOldeTune]

I think both Anne and Jane were clever enough in handling the King. I prefer Anne but I think Jane was neither dull nor dumb, she must have been strong and clever enough to survive in the winner side. And she was the most successful of Henry's wives, a Queen fit for him.

[YeOldeTune]

Plans to divorce Catherine and Henry began before Henry took a fancy for Anne. Cardinal Wolsey wanted to marry the King with a French lady. Then Anne came into scene and spoiled Wolsey's plans. Had there been no Anne there would have been Queen Renee circa 1527.

[YeOldeTune]

But Mary under pressure recognizaed her parents marriage to be invalid. It happened after Anne death, Mary's position got worse after Anne was executed and she finally reconciled her father after Cromwell forced her to accept her parents marriage was invalid.

[MelinaPendulum]

Also, from what I've heard she started trying to restore Elizabeth, after Edward was born, inviting her to the Christening.

If she did or didn't, she was still a MUCH better stepmother than Anne

[Elisabetta611]

Don't you COMPREHEND the utter DIFFERENCE of circumstances that ENABLED Jane to be a "better" stepmother?

[MelinaPendulum]

Yes I do.

However, I don't give Anne excuses just so she can be a justified bully.

I may like Anne more than Jane, but I don't act as though she was this AMAZING person.

Don't act I'm stupid, just because I disagree with you. I can comprehend.

[YeOldeTune]

I'd say she was a more intelligent stepmother. Jane was intelligent I think, she was in Katherine service first as lady of waiting, then she turned into Anne service. Yes, Jane was a wise girl under a calm appearance. Her family adviced her and she was smart enough to follow their advices.

[AnaliaHyrule]

Can you BLAME Anne? Mary continuously insulted her!

[MelinaPendulum]

Would you not insult the woman who replaced your mother? I mean what reason would Mary have to like Anne.

Yes I blame Anne! I mean how can you not?

[AnaliaHyrule]

Why not blame Henry?

[MelinaPendulum]

I do blame both of them. Henry more so, but Anne is guilty as well. She pushed to get rid of Katherine and celebrated her death. She treated Mary like crap and wanted her dead.

Then Jane comes in and is good to both Mary AND Elizabeth and she gets called names.

[MelinaPendulum]

Well, I can respect that you don't like Jane. I do prefer Anne personality wise to Jane, myself, but I do think Jane was a better person.

Henry should get more blame, but Anne played her part as well.

[Elisabetta611]

How do you know she wanted Mary dead? In Anne's situation, would YOU have treated the daughter of your predecessor kindly? You think Henry would even have LET her? She did NOT push, Henry pursued her relentlessly. Celebrated her death? Both she and the king wore yellow that day. You think Anne wearing black and mourning her rival would not have been looked upon as hypocrisy and as foolishness? Jane "caused" an innocent' woman to be slandered and murdered as well as her "lovers".

[MelinaPendulum]

Alright.

[katharinethequene]

Anne's relatives treated Mary cruelly, Anne urged people to slap her if she claimed to be a Princess reminding her "of the cursed bastard she is".

You want me to go on?

[Elisabetta611]

She cannot be blamed to be rensponsible for her relatives' actions. As for the slapping if Mary claimed to be a princess....tragic, yes. You think Elizabeth but have been treated more kindly if she had stuck to her former position or if the situation had been reversed? Both Anne and Elizabeth more than atoned for what were largely HENRY's decisions and crimes.

[MelinaPendulum]

And Anne "caused' an innocent woman to be left by her husband and caused the suffering of a young woman.

How do I know she wanted Mary dead? I found it out when I was doing my research paper on Mary.

However, since you have already made up your mind that you are right, I am just going to leave this argument now.

I am sorry for the loss of your mother.

[Elisabetta611]

I'd rather be left by my hubby than be innocently murdered along with several others. Again, THAT was Henry's decision, NOT hers.

Thanks for your sympathy.

[MelinaPendulum]

I understand what you were saying, but Katherine suffered a cold fate. She was left alone to die by the husband she had for years. Anne and Henry were together, but not as long as K& H where. Not to mention she was alone for years and never saw her child. Her death was slow and lonely.

I know it was Henry who sent her away, but I doubt Anne ever felt sorry for Katherine.

[ABIAW]

I would have treated her kindly! BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT SHE DESERVED. Jane treated Elizbaeth nicely. What did Mary or Katherine EVER do to Anne? To make her treat them badly? Nothing!!!! She didn't need to celebrate her death so vulgarly, and there is dispute over whether Henry actually did wear yellow.

[Elisabetta611]

That is a nice, modern view that simply doesn't work. Jane was in a COMPLETELY different position and situation. Plus, we know little of Jane and Elizabeth's relationship (If ever there was one) because they hardly ever met in Jane's 18 months as queen. There is no dispute that they were both relieved that Katharine had passed away. NONE.

[AnaliaHyrule]

amen to that! Jane did the same thing Anne did to Katharine, except she was nicer about it!

[AnaliaHyrule]

I agree with you

[livipotter]

i completely agree with you. For once some else sees that Anne was not this whore, or evil woman, and that Jane was not a saint. All these submissive roles, i think Jane could be just as seductive as Anne, I mean, she took Anne's place, like Anne took Catherine's.

[eviltree997]

How was Jane a hypocrite?If a recall correctly that was Anne.

And for the record I LOVE both Anne and Jane but this fight is so ridiculous!GoddessofHyrule you say you hate Jane yet why is it every video about her you seem to watch?Show more respect for the dead. R.I.P. all six wives...

[Sztriki86]

"And for the record I LOVE both Anne and Jane but this fight is so ridiculous!"

"Show more respect for the dead. R.I.P. all six wives..."

You are so right about this!It really is a stupid thing to fight over who was good and who was bad!We're dealing with 6 interesting and fascinating lives,and so they should be respected,not just Jane,not just Anne,or any of them individually,but ALL OF THEM!!!!

You got thumbs up from me for these 2 sentences:)

[eviltree997]

Lol thanks...I'm just sick of this argument.Can't I be

a fan of all of them?

[Elisabetta611]

Melina, my Mother, who was dying of cancer, WAS replaced by a younger, prettier woman. I used to hate her AND blame her for my Mom's death. However, as time passed I learned to forgive. I saw how happy she made my Dad and my Mom even gave her blessing a day before she died. No, I do not blame Anne. I blame Henry. HE had the power, HE mistreated Mary and her mother.

[MelinaPendulum]

Alright.

[MelinaPendulum]

First, I am sorry for your loss. But that situation is different from Mary/Anne/Katherine.

As for Henry I blame him more than Anne. But to say that Anne is in no way responsible...

[Elisabetta611]

Of course it isn't the same but I know very much how Mary must have felt like. No, of course Anne must be held responsible to an extent. There is no denying that once Henry proposed marriage she reveled in her exalted position. However she also had little choice in the matter. Yet it she who is ALWAYS slandered, vilified, blamed and bitched about. I pity both Mary and her mother but much of their misery was of their own doing. And Mary lost any sympathy I had for her oncw she became queen

[MelinaPendulum]

I feel Mary is a tragic figure. Do I excuse her actions? No. However, her actions were the result of what happened to her throughout her lifetime. I mean because of the Protestants and her Father she lost so much.

[eviltree997]

MelinaPendulum I second your comments...

[katharinethequene]

Only because of what Anne did to her, anyway she didn't continusly insult her.

[Elisabetta611]

What exactly DID Anne do to Mary that wasn't actually done by HENRY? You think Anne treating Mary adoringly wouldn't have been a sick farce?

[katharinethequene]

threaten to poison her on multiple occasions, and urge henry to murder his child because other wise "she couldnt have a son", "marry her off to some varlet", Mary was made to serve in the household of her daughter in which she was given the worst room and reported to cry continuasly though it was henry who ordered this you cant deny anne didnt play her part in making it happen.

[Elisabetta611]

Give me some historical records for these presumptions. Yes, Henry ordered this to break her will and Anne certainly did not prevent this and certainly was happy with it. I ask again, how could Anne have acted differently? Threats are just hot air as long as they are never carried out.

[ABIAW]

Had Anne been nice to Mary or even simply paid no or little attention to her others would have followed suit, instead she acted like a bitch to Mary. I blame BOTH Henry and Anne.

[Elisabetta611]

In a fantasy world filled with unicorns maybe. You think Mary would have ACCEPTED Anne's kindness? Wake up! Anne did attempt to reach a truce but due to the utterly unbearable situation for both it couldn't happen. All three women were in horrible dilemmas and each gave as good as they got.

[GoddessofHyrule]

exactly!

[YeOldeTune]

Martin Luther said Jane was an "enemy of the Gospel". He knew she was not in the protestant side.

[YeOldeTune]

That's what I think about Jane!

[loveoldsongs]

@XxCrazygal2007xX Actually, she probably would've been a lot like Catherine of Aragon!