boththe chinook and the merlin are excellent helicopters.
but the merlin dowsn't compare to the chinook!
don't get me wrong, the merlin is a very good helicopter, but it's just little things that make the chinnie so much better. e.g. the ramp on the merlin is far too steep.
. they are generally heavy duty reliable successful helicopters. RAF helicopters! nothing to do with the army lol!
An lol, the Chinnie isn't exactly amazing, hence why they're referred to as 'broken bananas'! =P
But they are both awesome to look at.
and totally random, blade tip to blade tip from front to back, a Merlin is actually longer than a chinook! And the Mk. 2 Merlin will be even longer again!
anyway enough fighting, i think the merlin is a very nice shape, in the sky it cuts its way thought the clouds, its a very good looking aircraft, i have had the pleasure of being in both of them, and they are different birds for different jobs, but both are very capable, but i have to say the chinook is an awsome bus!!!!!! just so reliable and versitile, and in its own way it looks just as mean and sleek as the merlin!!!!!
Who here commenting on this page is actually in the Forces? I am on 829 NAS and will I tell you this, I have seldom come across such a load of tripe about Merlin in all my days. £60M for Merlin? Wrong. No one else can be arsed to do ASW? Tell that to the Norwegians and the Dutch who use NH90 and directly rely on our experience with the EH101 to learn how to do exactly that.
Jesus christ there is some bollocks floating around on this page. Where a certain number of people get there 'facts' from i don't know. The Merlin is obviously very capable, just not as capable as the Chinook!
did anyone mention that a merlin costs £60 million each thats alot of cash to catch submarines that dont exist anymore. Thats why the royal navy is the best in the world at asw. NO ONE ELSE CAN BE ARSED
maintainance and fuel costs.Chinhook requires 2 rotors to run= more fuel and more maintainance costs.if the merlin can do what the chinhook can do at lower costs then its worth investing in.Plus the Merlin can be used in anti ship/anti submarine warfare.
The merlin currently works on mechanical controls but will soon be converted to electric link. Again, the technology allows for engineering improvements where the Chinook cannot be improved on.
The Merlin can not do the job of the Chinook, it does not have the same lift capability and can carry just 1 vehicle provided that the top is removed. The only reason that the Chinook costs more is that our fleet is ageing and long overdue replacement with the Mk3 a/c. Our fleet are workhorses and the only helicopter we have that is capable of operating reliably at high alt airfields
a merlin beat a chinny on speed, i think not, its a pity they invested so much in a useless helicopter the merlin still is a pink elephant!! long live the Chinook!¬
I was out with CSAR in afghan... they saw what we were doing with the Chinook and the pilots were hoping that they were going to for them because of their capabilites over and above that of the pavehawk
A Merlin is faster than the Chinook, has a higher service ceiling (essential in hot and high places like Afghanistan), has 3 engines rather than 2 (greater fail-safe capability = the reason the Navy in particular love them operating offshore), and the RAF needs the capability. The Chinook is still an old aircraft, however much you upgrade and update it. I still don't understand the reasoning behind the USAF's decision to use it to replace pave hawks in CSAR. It's crazy!
Chinook is the most manouvrable helicopter, and the faster SH we have. Merlin is still plagued with problems which is why it is still not being utilised in the way that Chinook & Puma are in Afghanistan & Iraq. Merlin was the planned Puma replacement but Puma is still more reliable & will not be retired for a few years yet. Failings in the engines, AV suit and composite A/F are all too common place.
Sorry but I've gotta disagree with that. The Chinook more manoeuvrable than the Merlin? It has both greater manoeuvreability and a higher performance.
Yes the 101 has had teething problems, but if you look at the first years of the Chinook, so did that. There's barely an a/c that hasn't. On the whole though it's performed exceptionally well; I think the guys (and girls) at Benson will testify to that.
Have you seent he two display back to back? They did at Odiham last July and to be comletely honest the Merlin display was disapponting an boring, whereas I see the Chinook display several times a week during the season and never get bored of walking outside and watching it for 10 minutes.
I know a few techies and they tend to testify to the fact that it isn't a good aircraft for our requirements... too much was taken of the naval requirement and the RAF and army ignored
What a complete and utter load of arse. Exactly what do you base your info on? Unless you have been 'there' you have no idea what the Merlin does. Don't listen to rumour, because that is exactly what is. Merlin was NEVER a replacement for any other RAF helicopter. Listen to the real operators not the armchair experts.
Spent enough time on 33sqn to know that the Puma was due out of service several years ago and has no life left beyond 2013 (unless there's a serious life update)EH101 was designed as its replacement, as the naval version has replaced the Sea King in the majority of its roles. I have plenty of facts about the EH101, knowing a plenty people on 28Sqn & one the CPOs on the development team at Yeovilton(now running a pub down the west country)
smghd For someone who is supposed to be at Benson you talk a lot of crap. I was 230,PASF 33 and 28, there were no problems with engines. Merlin was designed to fill the gap between Puma and Chinook. You cannot compare a Puma and Merlin from a serviceability point of view, it's like comparing a Ford escort with a brand new Audi Quattro. Pumas have also been plagued with problems, the AP pack for one. If you want to talk structure problems ask chinook riggers about stn 482 cracks.
The merlin is like a ch53 but with a seriously improved track record.
PlaneAU 7 months ago
i'm in the raf based at raf odiham.
boththe chinook and the merlin are excellent helicopters.
but the merlin dowsn't compare to the chinook!
don't get me wrong, the merlin is a very good helicopter, but it's just little things that make the chinnie so much better. e.g. the ramp on the merlin is far too steep.
. they are generally heavy duty reliable successful helicopters. RAF helicopters! nothing to do with the army lol!
8manwhore8 1 year ago
@8manwhore8
The ramp has since been modded on the Mk. 3
An lol, the Chinnie isn't exactly amazing, hence why they're referred to as 'broken bananas'! =P
But they are both awesome to look at.
and totally random, blade tip to blade tip from front to back, a Merlin is actually longer than a chinook! And the Mk. 2 Merlin will be even longer again!
JonesTheSteam89 1 year ago
owned :)
BrAvO3DeLtA 2 years ago
I think the chinny's should be withdrew from service and be replaced with merlins.
MrIHateAmerica 2 years ago
so your the reason utube wouldnt give me that name
Cptjubjub 2 years ago
the chinooks is one of the most versitile helicopers in the world. its has its firm place in the US military
taterfrickintot 2 years ago
More like it has its place in the British Army.
DjFroztbyte 1 year ago
what are you talkin bout dude. the chinook is a very highly used in the military, and its pilots love to fly it.
taterfrickintot 1 year ago
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masmtz 2 years ago
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SheepJumpFish 2 years ago
anyway enough fighting, i think the merlin is a very nice shape, in the sky it cuts its way thought the clouds, its a very good looking aircraft, i have had the pleasure of being in both of them, and they are different birds for different jobs, but both are very capable, but i have to say the chinook is an awsome bus!!!!!! just so reliable and versitile, and in its own way it looks just as mean and sleek as the merlin!!!!!
damienrg30 3 years ago
dont matter both are in service with british and american forces
ArmyBoy015 3 years ago
I hate the fact that the merlins need a bad ass nose high angle when slowing down,, maybe its only good when ur landing on moving ships.
mmaa21 3 years ago
both the helos r like choclate dipped strawberries to me
12487643 3 years ago 4
just my tuppence worth but the merlin and chinook are in different leagues both nice helos but neither better than the other
jcarr162000 4 years ago 2
pinchi joto alv
masmtz 2 years ago
Who here commenting on this page is actually in the Forces? I am on 829 NAS and will I tell you this, I have seldom come across such a load of tripe about Merlin in all my days. £60M for Merlin? Wrong. No one else can be arsed to do ASW? Tell that to the Norwegians and the Dutch who use NH90 and directly rely on our experience with the EH101 to learn how to do exactly that.
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brazinhadoespasso 4 years ago 3
Jesus christ there is some bollocks floating around on this page. Where a certain number of people get there 'facts' from i don't know. The Merlin is obviously very capable, just not as capable as the Chinook!
chrisatom 4 years ago
the only helicopter faster than a merlin in the british forces is the lynx.
billywah 4 years ago
Where did you see that a Merlin cost's £60 million? Oo
mrtiazz 4 years ago
did anyone mention that a merlin costs £60 million each thats alot of cash to catch submarines that dont exist anymore. Thats why the royal navy is the best in the world at asw. NO ONE ELSE CAN BE ARSED
domsantini 5 years ago
maintainance and fuel costs.Chinhook requires 2 rotors to run= more fuel and more maintainance costs.if the merlin can do what the chinhook can do at lower costs then its worth investing in.Plus the Merlin can be used in anti ship/anti submarine warfare.
The merlin currently works on mechanical controls but will soon be converted to electric link. Again, the technology allows for engineering improvements where the Chinook cannot be improved on.
andyrik 5 years ago
The Merlin can not do the job of the Chinook, it does not have the same lift capability and can carry just 1 vehicle provided that the top is removed. The only reason that the Chinook costs more is that our fleet is ageing and long overdue replacement with the Mk3 a/c. Our fleet are workhorses and the only helicopter we have that is capable of operating reliably at high alt airfields
smghd 4 years ago
Thats because it is not meant to do the same job. Each aircraft has its own role. Stop willy waving and get some facts right.
krispeacock 4 years ago
Merlin is a light lift aircraft, in the same role as Puma, whereas Chinook is a medium lift aircraft
smghd 4 years ago
this is a gd video!!! id lyk to see it properly
dollykaitlyn 5 years ago
a merlin beat a chinny on speed, i think not, its a pity they invested so much in a useless helicopter the merlin still is a pink elephant!! long live the Chinook!¬
Jocksuper7 5 years ago
the army still needs medium lift helicopters though
ltdoug 5 years ago
max speed of merlin is 167knts. Max speed of chinnook is 160knts
angelus71981 5 years ago
oh yeah what book did you get that out of spotter?? Get your head outta your ass and get your facts straight
Jocksuper7 5 years ago
chinook can go faster than 167kias though... thought you might be interested
Bond1171 5 years ago
People need to realise that the merlin isnt a chinook replacement. The chinook is a workhorse lifting helo.
The merlin is primarily anti sub warfare and some Search and rescue and lifting capabilities.
THe chinook cannot carry out SAR or anti sub warfare.
ITs like comparing a hercules with a harrier
angelus71981 5 years ago
True. Which is what baffles me about the US' CSAR decision!
B206III 4 years ago
I was out with CSAR in afghan... they saw what we were doing with the Chinook and the pilots were hoping that they were going to for them because of their capabilites over and above that of the pavehawk
smghd 4 years ago
180 knots.
smghd 4 years ago
chinook cruise is 165 knots, max. sustainable is 180 knots...
smghd 4 years ago
max speed of a chinook is 172 KIAS with T55-GA-714A engines installed, been on one that was doing 183 ground speed, helluva tailwind.
cutter7969 4 years ago
Shows how much you know!! Nothing.
krispeacock 5 years ago
I got my info from the Royal Navy and Army websites.
angelus71981 5 years ago
A Merlin is faster than the Chinook, has a higher service ceiling (essential in hot and high places like Afghanistan), has 3 engines rather than 2 (greater fail-safe capability = the reason the Navy in particular love them operating offshore), and the RAF needs the capability. The Chinook is still an old aircraft, however much you upgrade and update it. I still don't understand the reasoning behind the USAF's decision to use it to replace pave hawks in CSAR. It's crazy!
B206III 5 years ago
Chinook is the most manouvrable helicopter, and the faster SH we have. Merlin is still plagued with problems which is why it is still not being utilised in the way that Chinook & Puma are in Afghanistan & Iraq. Merlin was the planned Puma replacement but Puma is still more reliable & will not be retired for a few years yet. Failings in the engines, AV suit and composite A/F are all too common place.
smghd 4 years ago
Sorry but I've gotta disagree with that. The Chinook more manoeuvrable than the Merlin? It has both greater manoeuvreability and a higher performance.
Yes the 101 has had teething problems, but if you look at the first years of the Chinook, so did that. There's barely an a/c that hasn't. On the whole though it's performed exceptionally well; I think the guys (and girls) at Benson will testify to that.
B206III 4 years ago
Have you seent he two display back to back? They did at Odiham last July and to be comletely honest the Merlin display was disapponting an boring, whereas I see the Chinook display several times a week during the season and never get bored of walking outside and watching it for 10 minutes.
I know a few techies and they tend to testify to the fact that it isn't a good aircraft for our requirements... too much was taken of the naval requirement and the RAF and army ignored
smghd 4 years ago
Yeah apparently the Merlin costs £34 million per heli as well compared to £20 million for the Chinook
Basilona 4 years ago
Then that must be the case if the techies say so.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
krispeacock 4 years ago
Personally I'll be sad to see the Chinook go - it's a great aircraft. But in the end we need the best, and technology moves on.
B206III 4 years ago
The Chinook is expected to be in service with the RAF for another 30 years, the current mk2 and mk2a being replced eventually by the Mk3.
smghd 4 years ago
What a complete and utter load of arse. Exactly what do you base your info on? Unless you have been 'there' you have no idea what the Merlin does. Don't listen to rumour, because that is exactly what is. Merlin was NEVER a replacement for any other RAF helicopter. Listen to the real operators not the armchair experts.
krispeacock 4 years ago
Spent enough time on 33sqn to know that the Puma was due out of service several years ago and has no life left beyond 2013 (unless there's a serious life update)EH101 was designed as its replacement, as the naval version has replaced the Sea King in the majority of its roles. I have plenty of facts about the EH101, knowing a plenty people on 28Sqn & one the CPOs on the development team at Yeovilton(now running a pub down the west country)
smghd 4 years ago
smghd For someone who is supposed to be at Benson you talk a lot of crap. I was 230,PASF 33 and 28, there were no problems with engines. Merlin was designed to fill the gap between Puma and Chinook. You cannot compare a Puma and Merlin from a serviceability point of view, it's like comparing a Ford escort with a brand new Audi Quattro. Pumas have also been plagued with problems, the AP pack for one. If you want to talk structure problems ask chinook riggers about stn 482 cracks.
Tigger137 4 years ago