You're basically arguing from an agnostic perspective. It would indeed be very foolish to assume that a bird doesn't exist in the Grand Canyon just because there is a lack of evidence for the existence of a bird in the Grand Canyon, just as it is foolish to assert that an invisible God exists in some undetectable heaven. There is no evidence for God and most of the scientific evidence of the universe contradicts the concept of a perfect God. Why did God create disease and natural disasters?
We know enough to know that a bunch of ancient texts are not the answer to life.We don't have all the answers,but we know a helluva lot more than some ancient Hebrews wondering the dessert.
Continued4... (Sorry about so many of these, this is last one i promise, so im not putting any more reasons) im not looking to take away anyones faith. but i hope ive given you an insight into what Atheism real is...
Continued3... the burden of Proof is on them. while no-one can prove there isn't a god, no-one can prove that there is one. so Atheists/Anti-Theists and Theists are at a Stalemate, but Science is doing its best to try discover the origins of life, unlike Religion (Sorry to say) which has used a book written thousands of years ago which no-one can prove its origin.
Continued2... (sorry Youtube has a character count) or Tanakh to name a few. these Scriptures have just about a right to be as Accurate as another without proof of Origin. the second reason, is that. Religion hasn't done enough to prove to me that there is a god (i know what your going to say "Your Agnostic, not Atheist" but you can call it whatever you like bottom line i don't believe in god) Religion has claimed a god but not shown evidence to prove it. someone says to me God Exists...
continued1... some Atheists may say, "Abscence of Evidence is Evidence to Abscence" me personally its long winded there are many reasons why i'm an Atheist. the main one for me, is based around the Bible. it is possible that the bible was written thousands ago, no-one is alive today to confirm the Bibles Origin, so for some Theists (not saying you personally) to say that the Bible is true it is the word of god is to me just Asinine, but why believe say in the Christian Bible and not the Qur'an..
Atheism isn't knowing there is no God, it is the exact opposite of Theism, it is the lack of belief in god. in a way everyone is an Athiest, cause there are gods that theists don't believe in. that is Atheism, Anti-Theist is the disbelief in any possible deity. but to group Atheists as you do is foolish in itself, Atheism isn't a religion, Atheists have different reasons for their beliefs or lack of. why i don't believe in a deity is different from someone else...
You are a prententious little man. Atheism is the lack of belief of ANY supernatural anything man,woman,spirit or ghost. And if we were on the Grand Canyon edge and you said there was a bird flying down there and when I looked I did not see one, you saying I believe it's down there without seeing it I would ask for PROOF. I don't understand what part of this that thiests with your mindset don't get.
Here's the facts. Christian read a book and think it's true because they've been told it's true probably for their whole life. Atheists do not do that. We accept the fact that a book is a book and there is no reason to believe it is true. It's about whether or not you trust copies of copies of paraphrased copies as truth. I don't, and I think that is the atheist view on religion. In a nutshell.
No, atheism really is not claiming that there is no god. I am an atheist and don't claim to know everything or that there is no god. I don't know if there is but I don't believe in him either. That's what's called agnostic atheism. I have yet to meet a gnostic one in the sense that you speak of, so they are a very small minority indeed. Why you would base your whole objection on such a minority if not for dishonesty, I don't know.
and when mr. russle said prove not a god he wasn't referring to a theistic god but rather a deistic god which is an unfalsifiable hypothesis much like solipsism and claiming that all people who believe in gods are actually pan dimensional sock puppets given a momentary consciousness by dick-ish 9th dimensional creatures.
I've heard this argument in every incarnation imaginable. The angle you neglect is that god is supposedly "everywhere". One wouldn't have to scour the universe (within and without) to find something ubiquitous. And you still have the first part of the dilemma to deal with...the absence of evidence.
Is Allah not just as likely as your Christian God?
What about dragons? Do dragons exist? Because I would like you to donate hours of your time and 10% of your income to the anti-dragon league. Can you disprove dragons? Maybe they are just simply hiding.
Also, quit using absence of evidence equals evidence of absence. A better one would be "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." And God is QUITE an extraordinary claim. We aren't making the claim, you are.
its on christians to prove God exists, not on atheists to disprove it,only works if God doesnt exsist, if God does exsist, then it IS on you to DISPROVE it and not on us to prove it. but since you already think he doesnt exist, you use that line often, the fact is he DOES exist, so now it is on YOU to disprove it. which doesnt matter anyway, i can tell you i have seen angels i have seen demons. thats proof, by you saying it isnt proof your saying im lying about it or im crazy,of which im neither
@rickybarningham what the fuck, did you actually answer your own post to try and boost your own confidence? that is the sades't fucking weak thing I've ever seen on youtube. I see why you need a fairy tale to believe in.
@Knowyourroots1 i was talking to the creator of this video, i just happened to press reply to my own comment instead of start a completely new comment, did you really think i was congradulating myself , and called myself "brother" or were you just saying that to be spiteful becuz you dont like that i am a believer, i dont think this is the "sadest fucking weak" comment on youtube either, you didnt even reply to my statements you just criticized and tried making fun of sumthing you misunderstood
hey douchebag, its a rejection of your statement that there is a god. Clearly I can say you have shit for brains, and without you being able to open your head you would have to agree with me. The rest of us will wait until there is evidence before we believe in bullshit. I am using this video to confirm that you have shit for brains though.
As for your bird analogy, it's a deliberate strawman. There is a difference between birds and god. Birds are tangible objects. They can be seen, heard, smelled, tasted, and touched. One can go to the Grand Canyon and, knowing that birds exist, logically assume there is a high probability a bird is flying around in it somewhere, though it can't be seen. God has no such supporting evidence. I cannot see, smell, hear, taste, or touch god, nor has anyone made a compelling argument for his existence.
@TheEmoHunterRaleigh There are plenty of things that you can't see, taste, touch, hear or smell....such as the number seven. You also can't examine "love" under a microscope. You can see the effects of it, sure, but what would make you think that love exists? Furthermore, where does love come from? Is it biological DNA? That hasn't been proven.
Nor has it been proven that consciousness is = to the brain. See Dr. Peter Fenwick of King's College London for Near Death Experiences
@longof99 Don't put words in my mouth. I never once said that science works only with tangibles. However, science does work with things that can be measured to some degree. Numbers are merely an abstract concept used to measure and count. As for love, it most certainly can be examined. Perhaps not under a microscope, but by monitoring the levels of certain chemicals in the brain such as serotonin and oxytocin.
@TheEmoHunterRaleigh Futhermore, God has plenty of evidence. Objective morality for example. The 5 senses can't explain it, therefore if there is something more to people than 5 senses..then it is not completely unreasonable to assume that an immaterial supreme being could exist either.
If love is serotonin and oxytocin, then you can forget about free will. Your actions are completely deterministic. If then we have no control over them, why do you care what the person in the video has to say?
@longof99 See, the problem there is that morality isn't objective at all. Morality is subjective, based primarily on the taboos of the culture in which you were raised. Are there taboos that exist within virtually every culture. Certainly. The killing of your own tribesmen for example. However, these can all be explained by basic human empathy. We relate to and understand each other, and that bond between us as people keeps us from slaughtering each other.
@longof99 As for your comment on free will, I could easily say the same thing about god. I often hear Christians say that their husband or wife was made just for them. That god took time to make a person just for them. If your partner was made specifically for you, then you really don't have a choice in the matter. I also hear Christians say that god has a plan for each of us. Where's the free will in that if he's so carefully mapped out everyone's future?
@longof99 As for your comment on free will, I could easily say the same thing about god. I often hear Christians say that their husband or wife was made just for them. That god took time to make a person just for them. If your partner was made specifically for you, then you really don't have a choice in the matter. I also hear Christians say that god has a plan for each of us. Where's the free will in that if he's so carefully mapped out everyone's future?
Now that my English lesson for the day is complete, I'd like to move on to the statement "absence of evidence is evidence of absence." A more accurate representation is much more long winded. My personal assertion as an atheist is that without evidence, there is no reason to believe that something exists. I don't believe in the Christian god for the same reason I don't believe in Zeus, Cerrunos, or Shiva. No compelling evidence has been put forward.
Actually, your break down of atheism's root meaning is entirely wrong. Theism actually comes from two Latin roots. "The" meaning "god" and the suffix "-ism" meaning "belief/doctrine." The prefix "a-" means "without." Therefore, atheism at its root means "without belief in god." Atheism makes no claims to knowledge, and to suggest as such is a complete and utter lie on your part. The actual root word meaning "to know" is "gno" or "gnos."
@rationalresponer BAM! I am now a full blown agnostic! I started watching your videos 3 weeks ago at which point I was on the fence. I listened to all of your scripted monologues that you use on drunk teenagers & the most uneducated people of todays society while on the boardwalk of HB and it is clear to me people that are already delusional and brainwashed love you (to whom you're just preaching to the choir), the athiests laugh, and the people on the fence become athiest/agnostic.
The Bible states many people will not follow God, and very few will keep the faith in the end and be saved. Many people have been told about the good things Jesus did for us but refuse to acknowledge it. Those people will not inheret the kingdon of God without repentance. Atheists obviously think its ok to live life without consequence, God will judge all men, not just a few. They need to turn their life to the Lord and become holy men.
The scientific response would have been: "I don't know if there are any birds flying around the Grand Canyon, but let's go see if there is and discover their nature."
God is said in the bible to have given plenty of evidence for his existence, so where is God now?
I am not saying that this absence of evidence is evidence that he doesn't exist, but it does make his supposed existence extremely suspect, given that he had no problem revealing himself in antiquity.
I don't believe in atheists. Thanks for posting! On the Last Day, I'd rather believe and find out I was wrong than to not believe and find out I was wrong.
Whatsthisidonteven..... Science works on probability. No sane person would say there is no bird flying in the Grand Canyon just because they can't see one, because probability suggests there would be, and there would exist no contradicting evidence. On the other hand, we have tons of evidence supporting and no evidence contradicting that the universe governs itself based on physical laws and isn't reliant on some supernatural intervention from an invisible magic wizard in the sky.
@KevinReconAlpha I am glad that you are knowledgeable about statistical probability.Are you aware that Jesus fulfilled 300 prophesies written about Him hundreds of years before his birth, and the chances of Him fulfilling just 8 of them is 1 in 100 trillion?Are you aware that the chances of a DNA code that describes just 240 proteins arising without a designer is 1 in 10^89190?I would also assume you know that statistical zero is 1 in 10^50.(i.e. statistical impossibility)
part 2. You say, "You can only see it if you believe you first". I say, "Whaaa, What kind of madness is this?" You say, "Well if you don't see the invisible bird then you are going to be tortured forever". I am stunned. You say, "Can't you see? All of the universe proves the existence of the invisible bird?" I say, "I am sorry man, I just don't believe you. There is no reason for me to believe this bird exists. Now come with me and these nice people with the padded van are here for you..."
This a glaringly false analogy. A better on would be: I (the atheist) and you (the believer) are at the Grand Canyon. YOU say, "There is a bird flying over there." I say, "No man I don't see it". You say, "There it is, It is invisible and transcendent". I say, "Whaaaaa, What are you talking about man? I don't see anything, no wind, or poop
Atheism is a claim that evidence does not point to a god, not "there is no God". A better analogy would be: The Grand Canyon is filled with a gas toxic to birds (it's not, just an example), so it's incredibly unlikely that there is a bird in the Grand Canyon.
I believe Zeus exist do you??? Why do we all agree that Zeus do not exist but when it comes to the God of the bible, we should be just agnostic???? The truth is when you claim something exist even without a shred of evidence you have the job to prove your point, i dont have to prove it negative.... I'm a atheist because there is no evidence of any god. Do you believe in Santa Clause??? I do???? Prove to me that i'm wrong???? same logic.....
@scubandre1 "without a shred of evidence" well, that all depends on what you perceive. Theists say they SEE evidence, like a fingerprint, a footprint or DNA, and you claim there isn't one. The problem is that you have to say how their evidences are not designed by God. This can be arguments of the origin of the universe, the fine tuned arguments or the moral arguments. There are many other arguments, but you cannot refute those and you shut your eyes TO the evidence.
@xchampx Absolutely not, like i say i dont have to prove that "God" did'nt desing DNA or anything else, that is way to easy. If you beleive god created the universe you have to prove it. After that you have to prove not only "God" did all this but "Your God" did it because there is many people out there who don't agree with your story. Again, being an atheist do not mean "absolutely sure god do not exist" but untill you come with evidence supporting your claim, i dont beleive you....
@xchampx If i come back to this video, if you tell me there is polar bears in the grand canyon i don't have to prove you wrong..... am i absolutely sure there is no polar bears???? No, but until you show me one i'm preaty damm sure.....
I'll slip out of this one: read the dictionary. Theism goes to your belief, so atheism is one who doesn't BELIEVE in god, and a theist is one who does BELIEVE in god. Gnosticism goes to your knowledge. Agnostics are the people who say they are unsure due to lack of evidence. One can be an agnostic christian or an agnostic atheist. Both your definitions and argument are pretty flawed...
If you're arguing for a god that we have no concept of, which is the case if a creator does exist, then you cannot possibly believe he cares about human affairs to the point of making up rules, or that he is going to judge, or that he has any other human qualities. If you're going to believe in a god that set the entire cosmos in motion to fuck with humans, then you are mad. There may be a god, but in human terms, it is irrelevant, as if there is, he is non too likely bothered by humans actions.
The more fanatical a belief is the less intelligence is required to hold that belief. Science holds itself accountable, and having a theory proved wrong in science, by evidence and fact, is a good thing, as it had furthered humans understanding of the cosmos. The idea of a god of any kind is a detriment to civilisation.
When people embrace the only life they are ever going to get, and stop fooling themselves with gods.. human civilisation will move past it's current stagnation.
What your supposing is that believers have more knowledge of the "known universe" than atheists do. I agree that atheism is an absolute belief in NO GOD just as theism is an absolute belief in a "god".. with that said, When speaking of science and rationality all signs point to NO GOD, and no signs point toproof of god.. there is NO BIRD flying around here brother, its all dark after you die. the celluloid strip of film that is life simply ends. RATIONALITY
"do you believe in god? no. boom dead, do you believe in god? yes. do you believe in my god?. no. boom dead. my god has a bigger dick than your god! religion is the cause of some of the most violent and bloody wars but hey thats OK by me, any time a bunch of holy people who want to get together and kill one another makes me a happy guy!" ~ George Carlin
it's not justified to compare a bird to god in this argument. This is because a bird is something people see on a daily bases, but on the other hand god is something no one has ever seen. It is illogical to claim something to be true when it has never been seen and their is no evidence to prove it to be true. By the way, most atheists call the self's gnostic atheists, including me myself. This means that i do not claim with absolute certain that their is no god. This just means that i am as
@Jaym505 Haha, i mean agnostic atheist. Where the fallacy is in in gnostic thiests or atheists. More Christians claim to be absolutely sure that there is no good, when there is absolutely an insufficient amount of evidence to do so.
Usually in debates it is pointed out that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Why don't you try being honest and addressing what is really said? Usually the point si that a person has not seen evidence to support the claim that a god exists, so they don't accept that claim.
Instead of keeping up the dishonest apologetics (and they are dishonest), why not trying to do what it would take to convince atheists...provide some evidence.
The problem with your bird analogy in the beginning is that there IS evidence that I bird is flying around in the Grand canyon. The evidence is that birds exist in nature, and that the Grand canyon is a hospitable environment for one. If you were to ask him if a unicorn was trotting around down there, then we get a better analogy, as this is something we have no reason to think actually exist. Taking this analogy then back to reality, there is no evidence to justify a belief in God.
so your massive claim about is actually just a rhetorical strawman. If a god does exist in this universe, a parallel universe without this god would appear to be the same as this one. If you were randomly placed in either of these hypothetical universes, how would you know which one you are in?
Next time you flash the bat-signal, you'd better have a real argument, son.
@thakorian For there to be a straw-man you would have to know that RR is lying about being challenged with an Evidence of Absence Argument. I suspect that he is telling the truth. You have to admit that there are atheists out there who are not as scholarly as yourself, and who are not aware that the EA/AE Argument is weak.
@zenowing The strawman I am referring to is the supposition that to justify ones lack of belief in gods, one would have to know everything. Which in itself is basically a more defined subset of the EA/AE argument.
The EA/AE argument in itself relies on the supposed metaphysical infinitum. However, one of the defining characteristics of gods is the ability to control or affect the physical world in one way or another.
If no such control/effect can be observed, then one has to either redefine god(s) to be purely metaphysical, or use the EA/AE argument only in the physical world.
While this in practice leads to absolutely nowhere, since fully knowing the physical universe is impossible, it surely is a more defendable position as we accumulate theories that have no "god factor" in them, nor does one have to engage in rhetorics concerning the metaphysical.
atheism: Lack of a belief in a God. No atheist that I know claims absolutely that there is no God. Just like no Christian can claim that there absolutely is a god. If you do, then I'm sorry but you are only fooling yourself. As for me, I'll stick to what the experts (aka scientists) have to say about nature and the universe we live in.
Christian: There's an invisible pink unicorn flying in the grand canyon.
Atheist: Huh? that sounds dubious.. I don't see one down there, and I've never seen a unicorn, let alone an invisible pink one, do you have any evidence for that?
Christian: You can't disprove it
Atheist: i'm done with you.
Christian: I feel it in my heart!
Atheist: good bye.
Christian: If you don't submit to the pink unicorns will you'll rot in uni-hell
The problem with your bird analogy is that to make it fit, you have to have no evidence for birds existing at all, or at least not in the grand canyon or anywhere like it, then be claiming theres a bird in the grand canyon. If we had no knowledge of birds flying anywhere, as we have no knowledge of gods existing anywhere, then your analogy would be closer to matching reality.
Good video right there! Next time ur up against someone discussing the topic of god, simply tell them that you don't belive in god, instead of saying that you an atheist! Gives you a much better "ground" to stand on in the discussion.
Atheism is simply lack of believe. The problem with your argument is that science never states that just because we can't prove something it doesn't exist. I think that most Atheists would be happy to acknowledge a deity if there were actual evidence to support said deity. Our main problem with religion is that there is no evidence for it.
Well I certainly am not impressed bye your bird analogy. I would rather not follow a religion base on a book written over thousands of years bye men that lived in mud huts and talked to themselves.Its that simple. And then was rewritten bye an English king to piss off the catholics. Hence the King James version found in most hotels. Mormons believe Native Americans were an evil race that killed the good race should we believe them, though there is no proof? I think not.
To say that one is an Atheism is just an easy way to say that one does not believe there are any gods. An Agnostic is one that does not believe one or the other, but is of the belief that both are possible. Because there is no evidence, all Atheists would technically be Agnostics. Atheism could then be called a subgroup of Agnostics. On the other hand a Theist is a person that believes there is one or more gods.
The question is of how likely it is that at least one god exists. THINK ABOUT IT!
Christian: "There's a bird down there. I have faith"
Atheist: "There's not a bird down there because I don't see one."
Agnostic: "Dude, I don't fucking know. If I see one, I'll know. If we go down there and there's not one, then I'm gonna be mad at you Christian!"
All you did in your video was bash what an Atheism says in your hypothetical scenario. "Calling yourself an atheist is stupid bc you just DON'T KNOW." Well neither do you. You're on the other side of the spectrum man.
In the grand scheme of things Christians are saying "Yes there's a bird down there. I have faith" Ok, how do you KNOW? You're gonna feel preeeeetty stupid when you walk down there to the bottom and search and search and there's no bird. That's why Agnostics are the best of anything. Because no one truly knows. So, we agnostics say: I DON'T KNOW.
@ozzfreak05 No i've seen worse. Trust me. I have. Theres the story about the angry atheist professor (#1 most stupid) the um... god made building video (#2) ecteeeee
Atheism is NOT the opposite of theism. Atheism is neutral. I can't say for sure that there is no god, Not even Dawkins or Hitchens is making that claim. It's just that until you can produce even a tiny sliver of evidence, I have to go with the more likely POSSIBILITY that there is in fact no magic sky man.
@AndrewStewart7 Atheism isn't a faith. We don't "believe" anything. Atheism is not against Gods, It just really doesn't care about them. I am an Agnostic Atheist because obviously I haven't been to all edges of the universe but at the same time, theres no god from where I'm standing.
@AndrewStewart7 Just to clarify, theism is one with a personal God or gods. The prefix a- makes it into a negative so it means one without God, or gods. Similarly, gnostic means knowledge so agnostic means without knowledge. Calling myself an Atheist agnostic means I am without gods and have no knowledge of any. If I ever receive that knowledge, I'd change my moniker but I do not see that happening. Who knows?
@TheDukeofDan Much love' I hope and pray that in some way you shed your hostility towards God and his word. As for proof. I need not state the obvious. Look inside yourself my friend. Part of you yearns for a connection with your creator. Embrace it but not blindly. Do your research' Don't hinder yourself from the truth based on pride.
@TheDukeofDan ok first off there is "tiny sliver of evidence" 's around the world. Second what you are talking about is being agnostic. Atheism asserts that there is no God. Agnostic is neutral. Not trying to be mean but look it up.
I used to wonder about this same issue, until logic won out. What you are discussing are Atheistic agnostics. Most atheists probably fit into this category. It means that man does not and perhaps cannot know everything so there is a small chance that there is a God. This puts God into the same sort of category with us as faeries and leprechauns. Sure, I'll believe in any one of them as soon as you show me the empirical proof.
Also, there is a very high chance that there is a bird of a number of birds flying around in the grand canyon... I'd say that there is a much smaller chance that there is one or more gods flying around in the universe... hehe.
your fucking dumb we look forward to learn more things and what the fuck ok mabey we dont everything who are you to say your better just because you beleve in god O yea and if you hate us so much dont use anything we make computers cell phones and tv to hae no idea how much we have done for you and then you make a dumb ass video like this wow go get a life
So whoever Allah wants to guide - He expands his breast to [contain] Islam; and whoever He wants to misguide - He makes his breast tight and constricted as though he were climbing into the sky. Thus does Allah place defilement upon those who do not believe. that is from quran tell me if any can know 1400 years ago climbing into the sky will tight your breast?ok good luck with your no sense atheism
delusional is the one who says god 3 in one means 3*1=1 reed quran chapter 19 mary varse 15 to37 you will know who is jesuse quran is not for blowing up building or killing . baby boy i know it is the tv and those who are too coward lazy to read and am not asking you to be muslim
@abduallahhassan im an atheist dude what part of that do you not understand? Also thinking of a towelhead typing this in iran or iraq where ever you come from trying to sound intelligent is rather amusing
i also find it funny they you can say oh atheism means you don't believe in my god. Actually if you look up the world atheism it means "a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings." See BEINGS all gods not just yours. Quit your preaching and shave your disgusting mustache you look like a dirty Mexican
good if you went live your life the way you went it. can you live forever if not there is some thing gave you life to live the way he went it and then he will tack your life what is that way submit to his low will tack look at book called quran thank you
@abduallahhassan your comment made absolutely no sense whatsoever... Learn some English before you respond to anyone... also why would i want to look at a book called the quran? and become some delusional islamic bastard and blowup buildings with c4 strapped to my body? No thanks man
it was not for you but call muslims bastard your bible says..10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
@abduallahhassan im an atheist dude its not my bible. I don't believe in gods of any kind. I'm getting the feeling your probably from a different country because of your broken English... so this conversation is now over unless you can speak in a way that I can understand you
Your argument is obviously flawed. There's no way it couldn't be, otherwise everyone would believe in a higher power. How could you be so self-righteous to think that you could singlehandedly refute all athiests.
Interesting video, however you should give proper credit to the person who gave this argument clarity. I agree that it does undercut a strong atheist claim to "no God", but not so much when one can claim agnosticism. If we mean by evidence scientific proof then it would seem that science cannot sustain a theist claim either though. Second, this argument only works if we define knowing in a strictly empirical sense. Why can't claims to God be incoherent and therefore false?
I love the "bird in the room" analogy. Except you forgot to mention the theist with his eyes shut tight, yelling at the top of his lungs that he knows there is a bird there. Anyway, birds exist. God probably does not. I am an "agnostic atheist" which most atheists are by definition (agnostic-a claim that I do not KNOW for sure, and Atheist-a claim that I do not BELIEVE there is a god.) Also, what if my neighbor claims you killed a man but there is no body or blood. AoEiEoA! Glad that's settled!
Kanonm, your skepticism is reasonable to some extent. However, if a God does exist, direct observational evidence of him would not exist in the natural world. From the Christian worldview (which we are assuming for the sake of argument), pretty much by definition, you wouldn't be able to directly observe him. Now the question is whether there is observational evidence or logical argument to demonstrate that there may be a God.
MrIzzyDizzy, fair argument. I should point out though, that an omnipotent, omniscient, etc being does not defy logic. It doesn't defy common sense nor reason. If you wish to claim these things, you must prove them first. It does not necessarily match natural observation (that you know of) and also scientific knowledge. However, if a God exists, it would be hard to say that direct observational evidence of him personally would exist in the natural world.
Chad, interesting video, I think your argument may have potential. I should note though, that you are refuting what I would call gnostic atheism, which has the essential claim that God does not exist. Generally, people who call themselves atheists are agnostic-atheists, who say that they don't believe in a God, but does he exist? They have no idea.
None of us would seriously consider the possibility that all the gods of homer really exist, and yet if you were to set to work to give a logical demonstration that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, and the rest of them did not exist you would find it an awful job. You could not get such proof.
On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the street I think I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because when I say that I cannot prove that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the Homeric gods.
of course he would say i dont know, becase birds are real. however if you asked if there was dragon flying around ,he would say no becasue dragons arent real. god is not real. where there is a claim for something that defies logic, natural observation, reason,scientific knowledge and commom sense you can feel pretty safe in saying the claim is false,
I can admit I DON'T KNOW AND be okay with that....but can YOU? We're NOT making a claim, we're REFUTING a claim.....there's a difference! Atheism is NOT a claim of knowledge, it refers to BELIEFS or lack thereof. YOU'RE belief claims THEE TRUTH not atheism! Atheism means a lack of belief in a god! Proving that atheists don't know STILL doesn't prove ur god! I don't believe in what has not been proven! I AM honest...try me!
Throughout my life, I have seen birds flying. Around the neighborhood, from parking lots, at the park, from the school playground. Millions upon millions of examples of birds in the air. Therefore, it is no great leap of logic to assume that within a large area, I may fail to notice one. What I haven't seen however, is a single example that god exists. A bird may be flying around in the canyon, but I know god isn't with it, because I have never seen a god, yet alone a flying one.
Sorry, this is a bit backwards, but would bury this puppy for me. I have already done most of the work. Respond to this video /watch?v=RT8WATQ6vWY. Thank you friend of my friend. Weird huh!
But no one would listen. there was a more to it. Any who the dream occurred twice in one night using different symbols and both dreams had different endings, One with me being held back and one with me being set free. can you help explain the meaning to me.
Its funny you say bury this puppy. I had a dream a while ago a friend of my friend asked me to bury a dead puppy. I next door to bury and most of the work had been done. there was concrete it had been broken into and the whole had been dug. All I had to do was throw puppy in the whole and put the dirt over it. While was trying to finish I became distracted by my family. Also, an illusion had appeared in the drive way and i was trying to tell everyone it wasn't real.
Stop lumping atheist into one big stereotype, we have different philosophies. The only thing we have in common is that we don't believe in god claims, that is it.
Atheism : a disbelief in the existence of deity...... Merriam-Webster
A belief claim is not a knowledge claim. Your equivocation fallacy drawn is twisting gnosticism and belief. You can be agnostic and an atheist, these terms are not mutually exclusive.
Your etymology is spot on but "without" does not mean "assertion that god does not exist" as you imply. It means that I am without the belief in god.
Russell is explaining exactly what I have written about.
I would never argue that because we have no evidence therefore that proves non-existence. This is the argumentum ad ignorantium.
BUT...
When we have no evidence for something, we have no reason to believe it is true. That does not make it false but is certainly detrimental to the case of its existence.
By the way, you don't have to know everything to prove the non-existence of a logically incoherent being. It's like saying, "There are no married bachelors."
This is an ok response to the idea of that atheist argument. However, it's also self defeating. You're saying we can't KNOW what is or isn't out there. Now first off no, atheism isn't the outgoing denial of the existence of god, this has been gone over time and again. Secondly, the reason this argument defeats itself is because religions claim knowledge about something they don't know either xD.
Saying, "There is god." is ALSO a foolish claim, using your argument against ya buddy.
Plainly and simply put, all atheists are in denial. God absolutely, undeniably exists. In order for them to state that God does not exist, they would first have to confirm the existence of everything. God created everything. Man is still discovering all of God's creations. So, since everything hasn't been discovered, they can not confirm the existence of everything, therefore they can not prove God does not exist. Now I know God does indeed exist because I see Him in all of His creations. :)
thats true b/c no one can say that they "KNOW" there is or is not a god. so even Christian theists must say they are AGNOSTICS because they cannot say that they KNOW that there is a god. if they KNEW there was a god, they wouldnt have to rely on the ultimate crutch/ cop out of religion known as..............................FAITH.
We atheists simply lack a belief in ANY GOD or GODS.
This must be joke, like Edward Current. I think that it's funny that name of your channel is rationalresponder, even tough you make such irrational arguments. There is no way in hell you could think that this is a valid argument. On the off chance that you're serious, I would not argue with you, because you Theists refuse to listen to logic. Continue living a lie, I don't care.
So you think looking for God is comparable to looking for a bird in the Grand Canyon?
God in your estimation is so insignificant as to escape detection despite ones best efforts?
The bird in the room analogy would be better if you asked; "Is there an intangible transparent whale in the room?" And then insisting that it was irrational to suggest no such whale existed.
@chilimaan Perfect sense! You're right, but There is no reasoning with a Theist, much less a creationist. Most of the views this guy gets are from Atheist looking to convert a few Theists. Since these people don't listen to reason and logic, ignore them. Stop watching their videos and giving them the satisfaction of having many views.
@STEVENMASSO I'd actually really enjoy discussing his religion with him. My take on the matter is that believers don't really believe what they claim. They might possibly want to believe such things, but there's no way they actually do. This guy is very unusual in that he has allowed comments he didn't vet to be posted on his videos. He hasn't responded to any of them; but they're there! So I'd like to see him publicly go back and forth in print with someone who doesn't think he's stupid.
@chilimaan I wish I could believe what this guy believes, but I'm not an idiot. Look at him, he seems so content rejecting logic and evidence. He must truly believe what he says, because no one with half a brain would pretend to be this ignorant. The only thing you'll get from arguing with a creationist is angry. It doesn't matter how sound your argument is or how bad his argument is, he will still think he's right.
@STEVENMASSO I see what you're saying; but think: Can he even function if he REALLY believes what he's saying? For instance: "Gods law is perfect." A simple declarative most Christians make which they clearly do not believe. Where "Gods law" is laid down in the OT; they not only don't believe it; they usually don't even know what it is! How many times have you had to admit to yourself that you were just fooling yourself, about a girlfriend, friendly salesperson or whatever? (continued)
When you find yourself having to rescind your view of reality you oftentimes find out that you've been had. Rather than chuckle and chalk it up to experience there's a strong desire to fantasize that it's really the way you used to think it was. In Christians, their world view is either given from birth or "awakened" in them by evangelists. The conviction of their beliefs can be absolute... until questioned. At some point everybody seeks validation. That's what church attendance does. (cont.)
The real lowdown dirtbag evangelist seeks validation by trying to sucker others into believing what they themselves used to believe and perhaps even fantasize is true still. If they can pull in other people then maybe they weren't so stupid after all. But examine what they do: "Have you ever told a lie." They; including this guy use this line to introduce the "ten commandments". There is not however any such commandment. And they know it. (cont.)
If you'll notice, all their interactions with potential converts is geared toward stripping them of self esteem. "You deserve hell/You require salvation." It's a formulation which allows validation only from within the cult. It works poorly on the biblically ignorant; it works not at all on the biblically informed. Guys like this know the score. They know all their arguments are crap; but having people act as though their beliefs are sincere is actually validating.
an atheist would use logic and say that birds are almost everywhere outside and say that THERE IS LIKELY BIRDS IN THE GRAND CANYON. a christian would just say GOD DID IT and be happy with themselves, tho not answering the question
I think you have your bird analogy the other way around, it would be foolish to say that there is a bird down there in the grand canyon if you didn't see one. Just how do you know everything anyway? You don't have "full knowledge" either so you can't say there is a god.
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What a EXCELLENT analogy. good job!
Vordakis 18 hours ago
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Atheists, there is now scientific evidence for a new syndrome, I here its called D- syndrome. aka Dislike button syndrome.
Vordakis 18 hours ago
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@Vordakis BTW its exclusive to atheists, heard its a gene they lack.
Vordakis 18 hours ago
if i dont believe in god or gods.. then why shouldnt i call my self an atheist?..
now, i dont claim to know if such a thing exists or not... but since i dont have any evidence of it.. then it doesnt exists until its proven it does.
kapachangos 1 week ago
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Parchybangin 2 weeks ago
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You're basically arguing from an agnostic perspective. It would indeed be very foolish to assume that a bird doesn't exist in the Grand Canyon just because there is a lack of evidence for the existence of a bird in the Grand Canyon, just as it is foolish to assert that an invisible God exists in some undetectable heaven. There is no evidence for God and most of the scientific evidence of the universe contradicts the concept of a perfect God. Why did God create disease and natural disasters?
Nashhinton 2 weeks ago
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Nashhinton 2 weeks ago
We know enough to know that a bunch of ancient texts are not the answer to life.We don't have all the answers,but we know a helluva lot more than some ancient Hebrews wondering the dessert.
FR0STY0115 3 weeks ago
Continued4... (Sorry about so many of these, this is last one i promise, so im not putting any more reasons) im not looking to take away anyones faith. but i hope ive given you an insight into what Atheism real is...
Shadow1Soldier 1 month ago
Continued3... the burden of Proof is on them. while no-one can prove there isn't a god, no-one can prove that there is one. so Atheists/Anti-Theists and Theists are at a Stalemate, but Science is doing its best to try discover the origins of life, unlike Religion (Sorry to say) which has used a book written thousands of years ago which no-one can prove its origin.
Shadow1Soldier 1 month ago
Continued2... (sorry Youtube has a character count) or Tanakh to name a few. these Scriptures have just about a right to be as Accurate as another without proof of Origin. the second reason, is that. Religion hasn't done enough to prove to me that there is a god (i know what your going to say "Your Agnostic, not Atheist" but you can call it whatever you like bottom line i don't believe in god) Religion has claimed a god but not shown evidence to prove it. someone says to me God Exists...
Shadow1Soldier 1 month ago
continued1... some Atheists may say, "Abscence of Evidence is Evidence to Abscence" me personally its long winded there are many reasons why i'm an Atheist. the main one for me, is based around the Bible. it is possible that the bible was written thousands ago, no-one is alive today to confirm the Bibles Origin, so for some Theists (not saying you personally) to say that the Bible is true it is the word of god is to me just Asinine, but why believe say in the Christian Bible and not the Qur'an..
Shadow1Soldier 1 month ago
Atheism isn't knowing there is no God, it is the exact opposite of Theism, it is the lack of belief in god. in a way everyone is an Athiest, cause there are gods that theists don't believe in. that is Atheism, Anti-Theist is the disbelief in any possible deity. but to group Atheists as you do is foolish in itself, Atheism isn't a religion, Atheists have different reasons for their beliefs or lack of. why i don't believe in a deity is different from someone else...
Shadow1Soldier 1 month ago
arguing with the hopelessly convinced, like this guy, is a waste of time... go ahead and believe in your invisible pink unicorn.
macmaasi79 1 month ago
wow, what a terribly stupid analogy.
sagerbj86 1 month ago
You are a prententious little man. Atheism is the lack of belief of ANY supernatural anything man,woman,spirit or ghost. And if we were on the Grand Canyon edge and you said there was a bird flying down there and when I looked I did not see one, you saying I believe it's down there without seeing it I would ask for PROOF. I don't understand what part of this that thiests with your mindset don't get.
bornagainanathiest 1 month ago
@bornagainanathiest I don't think they get the whole "proof" part. lol.
Toyomo16 1 month ago
Here's the facts. Christian read a book and think it's true because they've been told it's true probably for their whole life. Atheists do not do that. We accept the fact that a book is a book and there is no reason to believe it is true. It's about whether or not you trust copies of copies of paraphrased copies as truth. I don't, and I think that is the atheist view on religion. In a nutshell.
dbower8272 1 month ago
No, atheism really is not claiming that there is no god. I am an atheist and don't claim to know everything or that there is no god. I don't know if there is but I don't believe in him either. That's what's called agnostic atheism. I have yet to meet a gnostic one in the sense that you speak of, so they are a very small minority indeed. Why you would base your whole objection on such a minority if not for dishonesty, I don't know.
PeGe90 2 months ago
1.Sometimes concidered pointless / semantics.
2. Someone said: Agnostic is just an Atheist with no guts
3.Going by strict definitions : They are not mutualy exclusive (I am agnostic-atheist)
4.I am a-birdist: a-without-bird. But also bird agnostic, since I don't know if there is a bird
You also don't see any bird, but clame it made the universe,answers prayers & sends ppl to hell
5.I'm agnostic only about deism. So, There is no (theistic) god.
Aleksamson 2 months ago
and when mr. russle said prove not a god he wasn't referring to a theistic god but rather a deistic god which is an unfalsifiable hypothesis much like solipsism and claiming that all people who believe in gods are actually pan dimensional sock puppets given a momentary consciousness by dick-ish 9th dimensional creatures.
overlordcacius 2 months ago
I've heard this argument in every incarnation imaginable. The angle you neglect is that god is supposedly "everywhere". One wouldn't have to scour the universe (within and without) to find something ubiquitous. And you still have the first part of the dilemma to deal with...the absence of evidence.
fdasherv 2 months ago
Then praise Allah.
Is Allah not just as likely as your Christian God?
What about dragons? Do dragons exist? Because I would like you to donate hours of your time and 10% of your income to the anti-dragon league. Can you disprove dragons? Maybe they are just simply hiding.
Also, quit using absence of evidence equals evidence of absence. A better one would be "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." And God is QUITE an extraordinary claim. We aren't making the claim, you are.
StealthMarmot 2 months ago
3:11 So therefore it would be even more foolish to say there IS a bird. By that argument, agnosticism is the only sensible belief.
BarneyIsPerverted 3 months ago
@BarneyIsPerverted animals are everywhere idiot
jamalboss34 2 months ago
its on christians to prove God exists, not on atheists to disprove it,only works if God doesnt exsist, if God does exsist, then it IS on you to DISPROVE it and not on us to prove it. but since you already think he doesnt exist, you use that line often, the fact is he DOES exist, so now it is on YOU to disprove it. which doesnt matter anyway, i can tell you i have seen angels i have seen demons. thats proof, by you saying it isnt proof your saying im lying about it or im crazy,of which im neither
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@rickybarningham keep up the good work brother, dont let the foolish non believers get you down
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@rickybarningham what the fuck, did you actually answer your own post to try and boost your own confidence? that is the sades't fucking weak thing I've ever seen on youtube. I see why you need a fairy tale to believe in.
Knowyourroots1 2 months ago
@Knowyourroots1 i was talking to the creator of this video, i just happened to press reply to my own comment instead of start a completely new comment, did you really think i was congradulating myself , and called myself "brother" or were you just saying that to be spiteful becuz you dont like that i am a believer, i dont think this is the "sadest fucking weak" comment on youtube either, you didnt even reply to my statements you just criticized and tried making fun of sumthing you misunderstood
rickybarningham 2 months ago
we'd say "there is most likely a bird down there", we know birds exist, we know they are very common in the area.
now if you asked us "is there a god down there", we would'nt be so optimistic!
yeah you got the definition of athiest perfect, however the burden of proof is on you to prove your claim, not us to disprove it,
if i tell you i have an invisible, untouchable, unhearable pet unicorn it is my job to prove it exists, and not your job to prove it does'nt.
DemoraX 3 months ago
And does it grow tired of hearing that everything that happens is God's will?
dirtleg27 4 months ago
hey douchebag, its a rejection of your statement that there is a god. Clearly I can say you have shit for brains, and without you being able to open your head you would have to agree with me. The rest of us will wait until there is evidence before we believe in bullshit. I am using this video to confirm that you have shit for brains though.
Blueace12345 4 months ago
What does the suffix "ism" mean, Chad?
vozuluzov 4 months ago
So god's impact on the universe is equal to the impact that a single bird has on the entire Grand Canyon. Hmm... yeah, I can go with that
prescott7070 4 months ago
an atheist does not claim to know everything, but YOU are doing that.
Ollychamberlain 4 months ago
I understand you're argument. but lets look at it this way. if there is no proof of god why do people think there is one anyway?
LOGIC42369 4 months ago
Wow, you must know some stupid atheists. You're putting up quite a Straw Man here, within the first 30 seconds.
guitarsam7 5 months ago
As for your bird analogy, it's a deliberate strawman. There is a difference between birds and god. Birds are tangible objects. They can be seen, heard, smelled, tasted, and touched. One can go to the Grand Canyon and, knowing that birds exist, logically assume there is a high probability a bird is flying around in it somewhere, though it can't be seen. God has no such supporting evidence. I cannot see, smell, hear, taste, or touch god, nor has anyone made a compelling argument for his existence.
TheEmoHunterRaleigh 5 months ago
@TheEmoHunterRaleigh There are plenty of things that you can't see, taste, touch, hear or smell....such as the number seven. You also can't examine "love" under a microscope. You can see the effects of it, sure, but what would make you think that love exists? Furthermore, where does love come from? Is it biological DNA? That hasn't been proven.
Nor has it been proven that consciousness is = to the brain. See Dr. Peter Fenwick of King's College London for Near Death Experiences
longof99 5 months ago
@longof99 Don't put words in my mouth. I never once said that science works only with tangibles. However, science does work with things that can be measured to some degree. Numbers are merely an abstract concept used to measure and count. As for love, it most certainly can be examined. Perhaps not under a microscope, but by monitoring the levels of certain chemicals in the brain such as serotonin and oxytocin.
TheEmoHunterRaleigh 5 months ago
@TheEmoHunterRaleigh Futhermore, God has plenty of evidence. Objective morality for example. The 5 senses can't explain it, therefore if there is something more to people than 5 senses..then it is not completely unreasonable to assume that an immaterial supreme being could exist either.
If love is serotonin and oxytocin, then you can forget about free will. Your actions are completely deterministic. If then we have no control over them, why do you care what the person in the video has to say?
longof99 5 months ago
@longof99 See, the problem there is that morality isn't objective at all. Morality is subjective, based primarily on the taboos of the culture in which you were raised. Are there taboos that exist within virtually every culture. Certainly. The killing of your own tribesmen for example. However, these can all be explained by basic human empathy. We relate to and understand each other, and that bond between us as people keeps us from slaughtering each other.
TheEmoHunterRaleigh 5 months ago
@longof99 As for your comment on free will, I could easily say the same thing about god. I often hear Christians say that their husband or wife was made just for them. That god took time to make a person just for them. If your partner was made specifically for you, then you really don't have a choice in the matter. I also hear Christians say that god has a plan for each of us. Where's the free will in that if he's so carefully mapped out everyone's future?
TheEmoHunterRaleigh 5 months ago
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@longof99 As for your comment on free will, I could easily say the same thing about god. I often hear Christians say that their husband or wife was made just for them. That god took time to make a person just for them. If your partner was made specifically for you, then you really don't have a choice in the matter. I also hear Christians say that god has a plan for each of us. Where's the free will in that if he's so carefully mapped out everyone's future?
TheEmoHunterRaleigh 5 months ago
Now that my English lesson for the day is complete, I'd like to move on to the statement "absence of evidence is evidence of absence." A more accurate representation is much more long winded. My personal assertion as an atheist is that without evidence, there is no reason to believe that something exists. I don't believe in the Christian god for the same reason I don't believe in Zeus, Cerrunos, or Shiva. No compelling evidence has been put forward.
TheEmoHunterRaleigh 5 months ago
Actually, your break down of atheism's root meaning is entirely wrong. Theism actually comes from two Latin roots. "The" meaning "god" and the suffix "-ism" meaning "belief/doctrine." The prefix "a-" means "without." Therefore, atheism at its root means "without belief in god." Atheism makes no claims to knowledge, and to suggest as such is a complete and utter lie on your part. The actual root word meaning "to know" is "gno" or "gnos."
TheEmoHunterRaleigh 5 months ago
Your example isnt accurate.
IS there a bird? is not the same as, do you SEE a bird?
The atheist is left to say, i see no bird, so i will not ASSUME there is, until proven otherwise.
If you said there IS a bird, and you did not see it, and he does not see it, then why assume there IS? just because there COULD be?
How can you say god COULD be 'outside' of our knowledge, and say it IS true, when gods outside of YOUR knowledge.
If you know of him, its obviously possible to find evidence (or lack)
eivarden 5 months ago
The absence of evidence statement is not proof of no god it is the reason for not believing in your god.
There is no evidence of an all powerful god who wants us to believe in him.
If you want the heartfelt atheist response to "why dont you believe in god"
You fucking moron dont bother me with your imaginary friend ! Why cant you grow up ?
But to save yous feelings we say "the absence of evidence . . "
torrid426 5 months ago
The bird analogy. LOL. That's hilarious, in a purely "you're kinda dumb." sort of way.
TheDaddyNicc 5 months ago
@rationalresponer BAM! I am now a full blown agnostic! I started watching your videos 3 weeks ago at which point I was on the fence. I listened to all of your scripted monologues that you use on drunk teenagers & the most uneducated people of todays society while on the boardwalk of HB and it is clear to me people that are already delusional and brainwashed love you (to whom you're just preaching to the choir), the athiests laugh, and the people on the fence become athiest/agnostic.
mjfraser04 5 months ago
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mjfraser04 5 months ago
The Bible states many people will not follow God, and very few will keep the faith in the end and be saved. Many people have been told about the good things Jesus did for us but refuse to acknowledge it. Those people will not inheret the kingdon of God without repentance. Atheists obviously think its ok to live life without consequence, God will judge all men, not just a few. They need to turn their life to the Lord and become holy men.
smurfboywv 5 months ago
The scientific response would have been: "I don't know if there are any birds flying around the Grand Canyon, but let's go see if there is and discover their nature."
God is said in the bible to have given plenty of evidence for his existence, so where is God now?
I am not saying that this absence of evidence is evidence that he doesn't exist, but it does make his supposed existence extremely suspect, given that he had no problem revealing himself in antiquity.
s3tione 5 months ago
I don't believe in atheists. Thanks for posting! On the Last Day, I'd rather believe and find out I was wrong than to not believe and find out I was wrong.
MrDESecristII 6 months ago
wow.. 1:44 - couldn´t stand listening to this twat any longer!
cheeks6700 6 months ago 2
Whatsthisidonteven..... Science works on probability. No sane person would say there is no bird flying in the Grand Canyon just because they can't see one, because probability suggests there would be, and there would exist no contradicting evidence. On the other hand, we have tons of evidence supporting and no evidence contradicting that the universe governs itself based on physical laws and isn't reliant on some supernatural intervention from an invisible magic wizard in the sky.
KevinReconAlpha 6 months ago 9
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@KevinReconAlpha I am glad that you are knowledgeable about statistical probability.Are you aware that Jesus fulfilled 300 prophesies written about Him hundreds of years before his birth, and the chances of Him fulfilling just 8 of them is 1 in 100 trillion?Are you aware that the chances of a DNA code that describes just 240 proteins arising without a designer is 1 in 10^89190?I would also assume you know that statistical zero is 1 in 10^50.(i.e. statistical impossibility)
guardianewjedijoel 1 month ago
part 2. You say, "You can only see it if you believe you first". I say, "Whaaa, What kind of madness is this?" You say, "Well if you don't see the invisible bird then you are going to be tortured forever". I am stunned. You say, "Can't you see? All of the universe proves the existence of the invisible bird?" I say, "I am sorry man, I just don't believe you. There is no reason for me to believe this bird exists. Now come with me and these nice people with the padded van are here for you..."
adam3251 7 months ago
This a glaringly false analogy. A better on would be: I (the atheist) and you (the believer) are at the Grand Canyon. YOU say, "There is a bird flying over there." I say, "No man I don't see it". You say, "There it is, It is invisible and transcendent". I say, "Whaaaaa, What are you talking about man? I don't see anything, no wind, or poop
adam3251 7 months ago
Atheism is a claim that evidence does not point to a god, not "there is no God". A better analogy would be: The Grand Canyon is filled with a gas toxic to birds (it's not, just an example), so it's incredibly unlikely that there is a bird in the Grand Canyon.
JAB63096 8 months ago 2
I believe Zeus exist do you??? Why do we all agree that Zeus do not exist but when it comes to the God of the bible, we should be just agnostic???? The truth is when you claim something exist even without a shred of evidence you have the job to prove your point, i dont have to prove it negative.... I'm a atheist because there is no evidence of any god. Do you believe in Santa Clause??? I do???? Prove to me that i'm wrong???? same logic.....
scubandre1 8 months ago
@scubandre1 "without a shred of evidence" well, that all depends on what you perceive. Theists say they SEE evidence, like a fingerprint, a footprint or DNA, and you claim there isn't one. The problem is that you have to say how their evidences are not designed by God. This can be arguments of the origin of the universe, the fine tuned arguments or the moral arguments. There are many other arguments, but you cannot refute those and you shut your eyes TO the evidence.
xchampx 8 months ago
@xchampx Absolutely not, like i say i dont have to prove that "God" did'nt desing DNA or anything else, that is way to easy. If you beleive god created the universe you have to prove it. After that you have to prove not only "God" did all this but "Your God" did it because there is many people out there who don't agree with your story. Again, being an atheist do not mean "absolutely sure god do not exist" but untill you come with evidence supporting your claim, i dont beleive you....
scubandre1 8 months ago
@xchampx If i come back to this video, if you tell me there is polar bears in the grand canyon i don't have to prove you wrong..... am i absolutely sure there is no polar bears???? No, but until you show me one i'm preaty damm sure.....
scubandre1 8 months ago
Atheists will find out in the end that they were wrong all along.
smurfboywv 8 months ago
I'll slip out of this one: read the dictionary. Theism goes to your belief, so atheism is one who doesn't BELIEVE in god, and a theist is one who does BELIEVE in god. Gnosticism goes to your knowledge. Agnostics are the people who say they are unsure due to lack of evidence. One can be an agnostic christian or an agnostic atheist. Both your definitions and argument are pretty flawed...
booyahbd 8 months ago
If you're arguing for a god that we have no concept of, which is the case if a creator does exist, then you cannot possibly believe he cares about human affairs to the point of making up rules, or that he is going to judge, or that he has any other human qualities. If you're going to believe in a god that set the entire cosmos in motion to fuck with humans, then you are mad. There may be a god, but in human terms, it is irrelevant, as if there is, he is non too likely bothered by humans actions.
1trilop2 8 months ago
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The more fanatical a belief is the less intelligence is required to hold that belief. Science holds itself accountable, and having a theory proved wrong in science, by evidence and fact, is a good thing, as it had furthered humans understanding of the cosmos. The idea of a god of any kind is a detriment to civilisation.
When people embrace the only life they are ever going to get, and stop fooling themselves with gods.. human civilisation will move past it's current stagnation.
1trilop2 8 months ago
What your supposing is that believers have more knowledge of the "known universe" than atheists do. I agree that atheism is an absolute belief in NO GOD just as theism is an absolute belief in a "god".. with that said, When speaking of science and rationality all signs point to NO GOD, and no signs point toproof of god.. there is NO BIRD flying around here brother, its all dark after you die. the celluloid strip of film that is life simply ends. RATIONALITY
ChrisSpurrier 9 months ago
"do you believe in god? no. boom dead, do you believe in god? yes. do you believe in my god?. no. boom dead. my god has a bigger dick than your god! religion is the cause of some of the most violent and bloody wars but hey thats OK by me, any time a bunch of holy people who want to get together and kill one another makes me a happy guy!" ~ George Carlin
SteamingBurito 9 months ago
why do atheists always ask for evidence but when ever theyre shown evidence all they try to do is say that the evidence isnt real/true?
rickybarningham 9 months ago
@rickybarningham
Because there is no evidence you mong. Please tell me what the evidence is, after you've made some up.
bluemoonrising26 9 months ago
sure as i am that unicorns or something mythological doesn't exist.
Jaym505 9 months ago
it's not justified to compare a bird to god in this argument. This is because a bird is something people see on a daily bases, but on the other hand god is something no one has ever seen. It is illogical to claim something to be true when it has never been seen and their is no evidence to prove it to be true. By the way, most atheists call the self's gnostic atheists, including me myself. This means that i do not claim with absolute certain that their is no god. This just means that i am as
Jaym505 9 months ago
@Jaym505 Haha, i mean agnostic atheist. Where the fallacy is in in gnostic thiests or atheists. More Christians claim to be absolutely sure that there is no good, when there is absolutely an insufficient amount of evidence to do so.
Jaym505 9 months ago
No atheist I'm aware of has EVER said 'absence of evidence is evidence of absence' you cretin.
Why do have to make these straw-men? I pity you.
bluemoonrising26 9 months ago
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Why do religious people always require absolute 'proofs' for a contrary position?
MrSchnuffs 9 months ago
No.
Usually in debates it is pointed out that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Why don't you try being honest and addressing what is really said? Usually the point si that a person has not seen evidence to support the claim that a god exists, so they don't accept that claim.
Instead of keeping up the dishonest apologetics (and they are dishonest), why not trying to do what it would take to convince atheists...provide some evidence.
MrFungus420 9 months ago
The problem with your bird analogy in the beginning is that there IS evidence that I bird is flying around in the Grand canyon. The evidence is that birds exist in nature, and that the Grand canyon is a hospitable environment for one. If you were to ask him if a unicorn was trotting around down there, then we get a better analogy, as this is something we have no reason to think actually exist. Taking this analogy then back to reality, there is no evidence to justify a belief in God.
Quarantine7 10 months ago
You're ignorant about many things, including the definition of the word Atheist. I would say more, but it would be a waste of my time
Rahn127 10 months ago 7
so your massive claim about is actually just a rhetorical strawman. If a god does exist in this universe, a parallel universe without this god would appear to be the same as this one. If you were randomly placed in either of these hypothetical universes, how would you know which one you are in?
Next time you flash the bat-signal, you'd better have a real argument, son.
thakorian 10 months ago
@thakorian For there to be a straw-man you would have to know that RR is lying about being challenged with an Evidence of Absence Argument. I suspect that he is telling the truth. You have to admit that there are atheists out there who are not as scholarly as yourself, and who are not aware that the EA/AE Argument is weak.
zenowing 9 months ago
@zenowing The strawman I am referring to is the supposition that to justify ones lack of belief in gods, one would have to know everything. Which in itself is basically a more defined subset of the EA/AE argument.
The EA/AE argument in itself relies on the supposed metaphysical infinitum. However, one of the defining characteristics of gods is the ability to control or affect the physical world in one way or another.
thakorian 9 months ago
If no such control/effect can be observed, then one has to either redefine god(s) to be purely metaphysical, or use the EA/AE argument only in the physical world.
While this in practice leads to absolutely nowhere, since fully knowing the physical universe is impossible, it surely is a more defendable position as we accumulate theories that have no "god factor" in them, nor does one have to engage in rhetorics concerning the metaphysical.
thakorian 9 months ago
atheism: Lack of a belief in a God. No atheist that I know claims absolutely that there is no God. Just like no Christian can claim that there absolutely is a god. If you do, then I'm sorry but you are only fooling yourself. As for me, I'll stick to what the experts (aka scientists) have to say about nature and the universe we live in.
situated 10 months ago
Here's a better analogy:
Christian: There's an invisible pink unicorn flying in the grand canyon.
Atheist: Huh? that sounds dubious.. I don't see one down there, and I've never seen a unicorn, let alone an invisible pink one, do you have any evidence for that?
Christian: You can't disprove it
Atheist: i'm done with you.
Christian: I feel it in my heart!
Atheist: good bye.
Christian: If you don't submit to the pink unicorns will you'll rot in uni-hell
Atheist: *sigh*
geoffpot 10 months ago
The problem with your bird analogy is that to make it fit, you have to have no evidence for birds existing at all, or at least not in the grand canyon or anywhere like it, then be claiming theres a bird in the grand canyon. If we had no knowledge of birds flying anywhere, as we have no knowledge of gods existing anywhere, then your analogy would be closer to matching reality.
geoffpot 10 months ago
Good video right there! Next time ur up against someone discussing the topic of god, simply tell them that you don't belive in god, instead of saying that you an atheist! Gives you a much better "ground" to stand on in the discussion.
OmegaYeahns 10 months ago
Atheism is simply lack of believe. The problem with your argument is that science never states that just because we can't prove something it doesn't exist. I think that most Atheists would be happy to acknowledge a deity if there were actual evidence to support said deity. Our main problem with religion is that there is no evidence for it.
Lostentranslation 10 months ago
Well I certainly am not impressed bye your bird analogy. I would rather not follow a religion base on a book written over thousands of years bye men that lived in mud huts and talked to themselves.Its that simple. And then was rewritten bye an English king to piss off the catholics. Hence the King James version found in most hotels. Mormons believe Native Americans were an evil race that killed the good race should we believe them, though there is no proof? I think not.
raginube 10 months ago
To say that one is an Atheism is just an easy way to say that one does not believe there are any gods. An Agnostic is one that does not believe one or the other, but is of the belief that both are possible. Because there is no evidence, all Atheists would technically be Agnostics. Atheism could then be called a subgroup of Agnostics. On the other hand a Theist is a person that believes there is one or more gods.
The question is of how likely it is that at least one god exists. THINK ABOUT IT!
Bearsca 10 months ago
i lol'd .....
kegs666 11 months ago
FINAL RESPONSE:
Christian: "There's a bird down there. I have faith"
Atheist: "There's not a bird down there because I don't see one."
Agnostic: "Dude, I don't fucking know. If I see one, I'll know. If we go down there and there's not one, then I'm gonna be mad at you Christian!"
All you did in your video was bash what an Atheism says in your hypothetical scenario. "Calling yourself an atheist is stupid bc you just DON'T KNOW." Well neither do you. You're on the other side of the spectrum man.
dba 11 months ago
In the grand scheme of things Christians are saying "Yes there's a bird down there. I have faith" Ok, how do you KNOW? You're gonna feel preeeeetty stupid when you walk down there to the bottom and search and search and there's no bird. That's why Agnostics are the best of anything. Because no one truly knows. So, we agnostics say: I DON'T KNOW.
dba 11 months ago
Out of all the videos ive seen on this topic....this is the most stupid.
ozzfreak05 11 months ago
@ozzfreak05 No i've seen worse. Trust me. I have. Theres the story about the angry atheist professor (#1 most stupid) the um... god made building video (#2) ecteeeee
hasteve101 11 months ago
Looking down at the Grand Canyon and saying there's no bird is as foolish as saying that there IS. So, what's the point?
masterofktulu11 11 months ago
Atheism is NOT the opposite of theism. Atheism is neutral. I can't say for sure that there is no god, Not even Dawkins or Hitchens is making that claim. It's just that until you can produce even a tiny sliver of evidence, I have to go with the more likely POSSIBILITY that there is in fact no magic sky man.
TheDukeofDan 11 months ago
@TheDukeofDan - You are an agnostic if you are not affirming that you believe one way or the other.
AndrewStewart7 11 months ago
@AndrewStewart7 Atheism isn't a faith. We don't "believe" anything. Atheism is not against Gods, It just really doesn't care about them. I am an Agnostic Atheist because obviously I haven't been to all edges of the universe but at the same time, theres no god from where I'm standing.
TheDukeofDan 11 months ago
@TheDukeofDan atheism believes that there is no God. There go you believe something.
johnnyrenteria1988 11 months ago
@AndrewStewart7 Just to clarify, theism is one with a personal God or gods. The prefix a- makes it into a negative so it means one without God, or gods. Similarly, gnostic means knowledge so agnostic means without knowledge. Calling myself an Atheist agnostic means I am without gods and have no knowledge of any. If I ever receive that knowledge, I'd change my moniker but I do not see that happening. Who knows?
Mirkwoods 11 months ago
@TheDukeofDan Much love' I hope and pray that in some way you shed your hostility towards God and his word. As for proof. I need not state the obvious. Look inside yourself my friend. Part of you yearns for a connection with your creator. Embrace it but not blindly. Do your research' Don't hinder yourself from the truth based on pride.
AndrewStewart7 11 months ago
@TheDukeofDan ok first off there is "tiny sliver of evidence" 's around the world. Second what you are talking about is being agnostic. Atheism asserts that there is no God. Agnostic is neutral. Not trying to be mean but look it up.
johnnyrenteria1988 11 months ago
I used to wonder about this same issue, until logic won out. What you are discussing are Atheistic agnostics. Most atheists probably fit into this category. It means that man does not and perhaps cannot know everything so there is a small chance that there is a God. This puts God into the same sort of category with us as faeries and leprechauns. Sure, I'll believe in any one of them as soon as you show me the empirical proof.
Mirkwoods 11 months ago
Also, there is a very high chance that there is a bird of a number of birds flying around in the grand canyon... I'd say that there is a much smaller chance that there is one or more gods flying around in the universe... hehe.
Mirkwoods 11 months ago
Well, can you whitout seeing any god say there IS a god?
tornadomannen2 11 months ago
your fucking dumb we look forward to learn more things and what the fuck ok mabey we dont everything who are you to say your better just because you beleve in god O yea and if you hate us so much dont use anything we make computers cell phones and tv to hae no idea how much we have done for you and then you make a dumb ass video like this wow go get a life
Emarosa3 11 months ago
Hi im jonny knoxville and welcome to jackass
aji621 11 months ago
this guy is an arrogant idiot
pixi3p3t3 11 months ago
So whoever Allah wants to guide - He expands his breast to [contain] Islam; and whoever He wants to misguide - He makes his breast tight and constricted as though he were climbing into the sky. Thus does Allah place defilement upon those who do not believe. that is from quran tell me if any can know 1400 years ago climbing into the sky will tight your breast?ok good luck with your no sense atheism
abduallahhassan 1 year ago
@abduallahhassan i feel like your the one not making any sense dude...
aRchEneMy543 1 year ago
delusional is the one who says god 3 in one means 3*1=1 reed quran chapter 19 mary varse 15 to37 you will know who is jesuse quran is not for blowing up building or killing . baby boy i know it is the tv and those who are too coward lazy to read and am not asking you to be muslim
abduallahhassan 1 year ago
@abduallahhassan im an atheist dude what part of that do you not understand? Also thinking of a towelhead typing this in iran or iraq where ever you come from trying to sound intelligent is rather amusing
aRchEneMy543 1 year ago
i also find it funny they you can say oh atheism means you don't believe in my god. Actually if you look up the world atheism it means "a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings." See BEINGS all gods not just yours. Quit your preaching and shave your disgusting mustache you look like a dirty Mexican
aRchEneMy543 1 year ago
what is the claim that i just don't give a shit if there is a god or not and i want to live my life how i want to? Is that a notcareist?
aRchEneMy543 1 year ago
good if you went live your life the way you went it. can you live forever if not there is some thing gave you life to live the way he went it and then he will tack your life what is that way submit to his low will tack look at book called quran thank you
abduallahhassan 1 year ago
@abduallahhassan your comment made absolutely no sense whatsoever... Learn some English before you respond to anyone... also why would i want to look at a book called the quran? and become some delusional islamic bastard and blowup buildings with c4 strapped to my body? No thanks man
aRchEneMy543 1 year ago
it was not for you but call muslims bastard your bible says..10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
abduallahhassan 1 year ago
@abduallahhassan im an atheist dude its not my bible. I don't believe in gods of any kind. I'm getting the feeling your probably from a different country because of your broken English... so this conversation is now over unless you can speak in a way that I can understand you
aRchEneMy543 1 year ago
Your argument is obviously flawed. There's no way it couldn't be, otherwise everyone would believe in a higher power. How could you be so self-righteous to think that you could singlehandedly refute all athiests.
Sunshine5112 1 year ago
Interesting video, however you should give proper credit to the person who gave this argument clarity. I agree that it does undercut a strong atheist claim to "no God", but not so much when one can claim agnosticism. If we mean by evidence scientific proof then it would seem that science cannot sustain a theist claim either though. Second, this argument only works if we define knowing in a strictly empirical sense. Why can't claims to God be incoherent and therefore false?
firestorm8chaos 1 year ago
I love the "bird in the room" analogy. Except you forgot to mention the theist with his eyes shut tight, yelling at the top of his lungs that he knows there is a bird there. Anyway, birds exist. God probably does not. I am an "agnostic atheist" which most atheists are by definition (agnostic-a claim that I do not KNOW for sure, and Atheist-a claim that I do not BELIEVE there is a god.) Also, what if my neighbor claims you killed a man but there is no body or blood. AoEiEoA! Glad that's settled!
bryanwhiteaker 1 year ago
accept defeat and redeem yourself . Non religion IS, check the stats , you're a minority in many civilized countries
do all biblereaders know all that's in the bible?...sucky examples .
study harder and ehrm ... RESPECT for speaking out dude..make others think!
ignostu 1 year ago
the 'absence of evidence' quote is a ridiculous argument. whoever said this to you is a moron.
there was no evidence for the existence of mountain gorillas until the turn of the 19th century.
however with no evidence to back you up, your stance that god DOES exist is equally as blinkered. (two sides of the same coin)
All you have is your unwavering faith, which is sweet, but has no place outside of the church and your home
al3699 1 year ago
Kanonm, your skepticism is reasonable to some extent. However, if a God does exist, direct observational evidence of him would not exist in the natural world. From the Christian worldview (which we are assuming for the sake of argument), pretty much by definition, you wouldn't be able to directly observe him. Now the question is whether there is observational evidence or logical argument to demonstrate that there may be a God.
TheStinkingAtheist 1 year ago
MrIzzyDizzy, fair argument. I should point out though, that an omnipotent, omniscient, etc being does not defy logic. It doesn't defy common sense nor reason. If you wish to claim these things, you must prove them first. It does not necessarily match natural observation (that you know of) and also scientific knowledge. However, if a God exists, it would be hard to say that direct observational evidence of him personally would exist in the natural world.
TheStinkingAtheist 1 year ago
Chad, interesting video, I think your argument may have potential. I should note though, that you are refuting what I would call gnostic atheism, which has the essential claim that God does not exist. Generally, people who call themselves atheists are agnostic-atheists, who say that they don't believe in a God, but does he exist? They have no idea.
TheStinkingAtheist 1 year ago
IntelligentBluebird, just out of curiosity, what is the empirical proof that shows the scientific method to work?
TheStinkingAtheist 1 year ago
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Krazykillaz 1 year ago
None of us would seriously consider the possibility that all the gods of homer really exist, and yet if you were to set to work to give a logical demonstration that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, and the rest of them did not exist you would find it an awful job. You could not get such proof.
Krazykillaz 1 year ago
On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the street I think I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because when I say that I cannot prove that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the Homeric gods.
Krazykillaz 1 year ago
of course he would say i dont know, becase birds are real. however if you asked if there was dragon flying around ,he would say no becasue dragons arent real. god is not real. where there is a claim for something that defies logic, natural observation, reason,scientific knowledge and commom sense you can feel pretty safe in saying the claim is false,
MrIzzyDizzy 1 year ago
I can admit I DON'T KNOW AND be okay with that....but can YOU? We're NOT making a claim, we're REFUTING a claim.....there's a difference! Atheism is NOT a claim of knowledge, it refers to BELIEFS or lack thereof. YOU'RE belief claims THEE TRUTH not atheism! Atheism means a lack of belief in a god! Proving that atheists don't know STILL doesn't prove ur god! I don't believe in what has not been proven! I AM honest...try me!
julzabro 1 year ago
Throughout my life, I have seen birds flying. Around the neighborhood, from parking lots, at the park, from the school playground. Millions upon millions of examples of birds in the air. Therefore, it is no great leap of logic to assume that within a large area, I may fail to notice one. What I haven't seen however, is a single example that god exists. A bird may be flying around in the canyon, but I know god isn't with it, because I have never seen a god, yet alone a flying one.
kannonm 1 year ago
I don't deny the concept of a god, I simply don't believe there is one.
Prove that I don't believe.
AmosTheTalented 1 year ago
Sorry, this is a bit backwards, but would bury this puppy for me. I have already done most of the work. Respond to this video /watch?v=RT8WATQ6vWY. Thank you friend of my friend. Weird huh!
machinedean100 1 year ago
I also wanna say holy cow is the holy version of Carson daily.
machinedean100 1 year ago
But no one would listen. there was a more to it. Any who the dream occurred twice in one night using different symbols and both dreams had different endings, One with me being held back and one with me being set free. can you help explain the meaning to me.
machinedean100 1 year ago
Its funny you say bury this puppy. I had a dream a while ago a friend of my friend asked me to bury a dead puppy. I next door to bury and most of the work had been done. there was concrete it had been broken into and the whole had been dug. All I had to do was throw puppy in the whole and put the dirt over it. While was trying to finish I became distracted by my family. Also, an illusion had appeared in the drive way and i was trying to tell everyone it wasn't real.
machinedean100 1 year ago
You're hilarious. Equivocation fallacy detected. Video ignored.
DieFatorLiveThin 1 year ago
You're confusing belief in no god with no belief in a god. Theism = belief in a god. Atheism = no belief in a god =/= belief in no god.
FinnMCR 1 year ago
strawman alert
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
Stop lumping atheist into one big stereotype, we have different philosophies. The only thing we have in common is that we don't believe in god claims, that is it.
darbone 1 year ago
I don't have to "justify" my disbelief in magic. Religious people need to justify their outrageous claims.
are birds flying around your head, and is god flying around the grand canyon.
darbone 1 year ago
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Atheism : a disbelief in the existence of deity...... Merriam-Webster
A belief claim is not a knowledge claim. Your equivocation fallacy drawn is twisting gnosticism and belief. You can be agnostic and an atheist, these terms are not mutually exclusive.
Your etymology is spot on but "without" does not mean "assertion that god does not exist" as you imply. It means that I am without the belief in god.
Russell is explaining exactly what I have written about.
BirthofReason 1 year ago
I would never argue that because we have no evidence therefore that proves non-existence. This is the argumentum ad ignorantium.
BUT...
When we have no evidence for something, we have no reason to believe it is true. That does not make it false but is certainly detrimental to the case of its existence.
By the way, you don't have to know everything to prove the non-existence of a logically incoherent being. It's like saying, "There are no married bachelors."
BirthofReason 1 year ago
if we use your logic, we could prove the existence of: the easter bunny, santa, the FSM, god, unicorns, fairies,ghosts ...
ShitInMyMouthAgain 1 year ago
This is an ok response to the idea of that atheist argument. However, it's also self defeating. You're saying we can't KNOW what is or isn't out there. Now first off no, atheism isn't the outgoing denial of the existence of god, this has been gone over time and again. Secondly, the reason this argument defeats itself is because religions claim knowledge about something they don't know either xD.
Saying, "There is god." is ALSO a foolish claim, using your argument against ya buddy.
BigLundi 1 year ago
Plainly and simply put, all atheists are in denial. God absolutely, undeniably exists. In order for them to state that God does not exist, they would first have to confirm the existence of everything. God created everything. Man is still discovering all of God's creations. So, since everything hasn't been discovered, they can not confirm the existence of everything, therefore they can not prove God does not exist. Now I know God does indeed exist because I see Him in all of His creations. :)
Onlymanolos 1 year ago
thats true b/c no one can say that they "KNOW" there is or is not a god. so even Christian theists must say they are AGNOSTICS because they cannot say that they KNOW that there is a god. if they KNEW there was a god, they wouldnt have to rely on the ultimate crutch/ cop out of religion known as..............................FAITH.
We atheists simply lack a belief in ANY GOD or GODS.
actionjackson864 1 year ago
This must be joke, like Edward Current. I think that it's funny that name of your channel is rationalresponder, even tough you make such irrational arguments. There is no way in hell you could think that this is a valid argument. On the off chance that you're serious, I would not argue with you, because you Theists refuse to listen to logic. Continue living a lie, I don't care.
STEVENMASSO 1 year ago
So you think looking for God is comparable to looking for a bird in the Grand Canyon?
God in your estimation is so insignificant as to escape detection despite ones best efforts?
The bird in the room analogy would be better if you asked; "Is there an intangible transparent whale in the room?" And then insisting that it was irrational to suggest no such whale existed.
chilimaan 1 year ago
@chilimaan Perfect sense! You're right, but There is no reasoning with a Theist, much less a creationist. Most of the views this guy gets are from Atheist looking to convert a few Theists. Since these people don't listen to reason and logic, ignore them. Stop watching their videos and giving them the satisfaction of having many views.
STEVENMASSO 1 year ago
@STEVENMASSO I'd actually really enjoy discussing his religion with him. My take on the matter is that believers don't really believe what they claim. They might possibly want to believe such things, but there's no way they actually do. This guy is very unusual in that he has allowed comments he didn't vet to be posted on his videos. He hasn't responded to any of them; but they're there! So I'd like to see him publicly go back and forth in print with someone who doesn't think he's stupid.
chilimaan 1 year ago
@chilimaan I wish I could believe what this guy believes, but I'm not an idiot. Look at him, he seems so content rejecting logic and evidence. He must truly believe what he says, because no one with half a brain would pretend to be this ignorant. The only thing you'll get from arguing with a creationist is angry. It doesn't matter how sound your argument is or how bad his argument is, he will still think he's right.
STEVENMASSO 1 year ago
@STEVENMASSO I see what you're saying; but think: Can he even function if he REALLY believes what he's saying? For instance: "Gods law is perfect." A simple declarative most Christians make which they clearly do not believe. Where "Gods law" is laid down in the OT; they not only don't believe it; they usually don't even know what it is! How many times have you had to admit to yourself that you were just fooling yourself, about a girlfriend, friendly salesperson or whatever? (continued)
chilimaan 1 year ago
When you find yourself having to rescind your view of reality you oftentimes find out that you've been had. Rather than chuckle and chalk it up to experience there's a strong desire to fantasize that it's really the way you used to think it was. In Christians, their world view is either given from birth or "awakened" in them by evangelists. The conviction of their beliefs can be absolute... until questioned. At some point everybody seeks validation. That's what church attendance does. (cont.)
chilimaan 1 year ago
The real lowdown dirtbag evangelist seeks validation by trying to sucker others into believing what they themselves used to believe and perhaps even fantasize is true still. If they can pull in other people then maybe they weren't so stupid after all. But examine what they do: "Have you ever told a lie." They; including this guy use this line to introduce the "ten commandments". There is not however any such commandment. And they know it. (cont.)
chilimaan 1 year ago
If you'll notice, all their interactions with potential converts is geared toward stripping them of self esteem. "You deserve hell/You require salvation." It's a formulation which allows validation only from within the cult. It works poorly on the biblically ignorant; it works not at all on the biblically informed. Guys like this know the score. They know all their arguments are crap; but having people act as though their beliefs are sincere is actually validating.
chilimaan 1 year ago
an atheist would use logic and say that birds are almost everywhere outside and say that THERE IS LIKELY BIRDS IN THE GRAND CANYON. a christian would just say GOD DID IT and be happy with themselves, tho not answering the question
cheetawakeboarder 1 year ago
I think you have your bird analogy the other way around, it would be foolish to say that there is a bird down there in the grand canyon if you didn't see one. Just how do you know everything anyway? You don't have "full knowledge" either so you can't say there is a god.
powerdog28 1 year ago