Junia[s], Priscilla (Prisca) and Phoebe were are church leaders listed in the New testament (Acts 18 and Romans 16). There were women in leadership within the Pagan realm, however not in my Realm (Jewish). This is why Paul states what he does about women not speaking or teaching or having authority until they learned in private as they needed to learn,as much as the men did,how to be in Biblical Eldership!If you do not twist Scripture than I accept your authority if You are a Loopy liberal, nope
@MenechemShaul Why do you think that Paul switched to preaching to Gentiles, because he approved of the behavior of the Jews he began teaching after his call to the ministry? He wanted to reach more people, including women, but he also made it clear that wanted not to defy Jewish law. Paul sanctions the conversion of Gentiles in order to avoid Jewish law in part, to end prohibitions on his own ministry.
Israel is blessed ..Jesus lived there...it has served well but now hardly any Christian there now ..Armaniac is blessed Jesus spoke it but now no speaks it ..blessed are men because God became Man to show theThe Way...Men have served well but now it is time to give all souls including women to serve as priests.
Tell that to the Protestants, and you'd probably get a lot of boos and hisses. In many Protestant traditions, all believers are priests of Christ. This includes women, too.
in other words, women are ALREADY Christian priests, so your point is false.
Jesus tells the 'woman' at the well in John 4 that He is Spirit and we are to worship Him in Spirit. Spirit is neither male of female, it is the essence of an individual's soul, and Jesus' soul is all that is pure and holy. He does not want anything less for us. Therefore we are to worship Him with our soul emptied out and cleansed out of all things evil, dirty, sinful etc a state, which we can only gain through His Grace, we are then worthy to worship Him spiritually.
It does not matter whether a priest is a man or a woman.I have always believed that the church is where God is.Why don't the different denominations join together and praise God? I am a communicant member of the Church of England and i am very much in favour of the ministry of women.Women have a place in the church and are to be welcomed. i have been to a Eucharist where it was celebrated by a woman priest and it was a proper service as she was a minister of God's word.Thanks for this posting.
We are all children of God if we have clothed ourselves in Christ , because he is our Father in heaven, and the fact is that in Him we are neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female. This is Scriptural.
Aha this a complete joke. This women is not about sharing Christ, she wants to spread feminism. Peter no doubt was the first bishop of Rome. Christ gave peter, a man, the Authority of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church that Jesus himself Established.
women have a great place in the church,we have had so many great women in the chruch,in the holy order,many great saints now in heaven,and women can give birth a sign of how God loves women this is a great miracle from God but women priest are wrong, christ was a man and that is why priests are males,they react the last supper every sunday and thats the way it is but women play a huge part in our catholic chruch, as nuns,and like i said many great nuns are now saints,
Utter rubbish and a complete negation of God's plan of creation of male and female. If we took misguided people like this woman seriously then God has made a mistake in making us male and female, human beings are not "genderless" human beings are created male and female which gives us the basis of love. This woman is trying to tell us God's plan of gender is irrelevant. Male and female he created them!
Thank you for letting me write a comment...first of all. It just goes to show an openness to dialogue and obviously the truth :)
I only have one point I'd like to make I guess which is upon the interpretation of Baptism and its escheteological meaning. There is no Greek nor Jew, no slave nor Free, no woman nor man. This does not mean we lose these realities in baptism, but it means that God's love doesn't discriminate b/c of them.
As a Roman Catholic, I disagree with your conclusions. Your arguments however are valid. Priesthood is not about power. Men and women out to be equal in dignity, though remain dynamic nonetheless.
Priesthood is a sacrament, and therefore a gift. Something that we are called to, not something we take on through a reaction. That is just my thoughts on the issue.
The New Testament does not forbid ordination of women! Phillip's four teenaged daughters were prophetesses (Acts 21:8,9). Romans ch 16 gives an entire roster of female ministers and apostles (Greek word: diakonos which is the same word used to describe the Apostles). See I Peter 2:9 where the entire congregation is called a "royal priesthood" which means that everyone in it is qualified to be a priest!
There is a difference between the "royal priesthood" and the Clerical/Ministerial priesthood. Everyone is called to the Royal priesthood. Only some are called to the other priesthood.
Therein lies the great mistake in Roman Catholicism: We were never meant to marry an institution, i.e. the Roman church, but rather marry God. As God is gender neutral, both genders can therefore enter into this great Love Union with the Divine.
The Church is more than an institution, it is a physical living body! "because we are parts of his Body, this is why a man leaves his father and mother and becomes attached to his wife, and the two become one flesh. This mystery has great significance, but I am applying it to Christ and the Church." (Ephesians 5:31-33) Christ the Son is the bridegroom of the Church and he therefore feminizes the Church and sacramentally and allows Priests to be In Persona Christi by means of ordination.
The Church isn't an instiution it is the Bride of Christ, Eph 5:32. Jesus often identifies himself as the Bridegroom, (Jesus didn't identify himself as "genderless"). Jesus never conferred priestly status on women, this is a much later feminist-secular inspired innovation totally absent from Jesus time, and by the way Jesus wasn't a prisoner of culture, utter nonsense, Jesus was killed becuase he upset the culture! It is not Catholicism that is mistaken, it is you, you are a false "priest".
@motherclarewatts why do you call it Roman Catholic when you don't teach proper theology, the Catholic Church teaches God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
@gracestephanie : I am not a Roman Catholic. By the way, a number of great Roman Catholic saints and teachers spoke of Mother God, including Hildegard von Bingen, St. Francis of Assisi, and Meister Eckhart. If you read more, study more, search more, you will find many things that you have missed in Catechism classes.
@motherclarewatts well i hate to break this to you but i have a phd in theology! you have totally misinterpreted your references by the way, and i should know i'm a specialist in feminist theology. so better luck next time!
@gracestephanie I know many people with PhD's in theology who have never had a real experience of God. I hope and pray you are not one of them. Without an experience of God one really knows nothing about God at all. When you actually come into the Presence of God, you may discover something different than all your theology training taught you.
@motherclarewatts I started my theology training at first to know my faith better and to understand it along the way. In my journey, I have come to know God more and have opened myself up to know God more. I am nothing but a servant to the Word! I keep things simple when I teach theology and remind all those that it all points back to Christ. This is why I appreciate Justin's Trinitarian theology, I think we can learn so much from the Early Church Fathers.
@gracestephanie I am glad to hear that. May your life in God continue to unfold and bring you, and others through you, much peace and joy. Servants of the Word are rare and valuable. May you be blessed for your service.
When a man is ordained to the Roman Catholic priesthood he is married to MOTHER Church. Priestly ordination allows the male gender to anthropologically complement the female nature of the church by sacramental means. If the Church allowed women ordinations, it would not only violate the gender compatibility of human beings in nature, moreover, it would mean that the Roman Catholic Church condones homosexuality. Since the Church is obviously against homosexuality, women ordinations are invalid!
@junmeskie Christ was also Jewish, about Middle Eastern. Does this mean that all preists have to be these two things too? Of course not. You can't just pick one quality of Jesus and justify that towards discrimminating women in the preisthood.
If you are not Catholic, I can care less, but if you are you should be excommunicated. In order for a catholic priest to celebrate mass, he has to act in the person of Jesus Christ (a man). Jesus could have ordained women, but he chose not to because he knew that in order for the first priests to celebrate mass, they had to be men, and act in him. This still remains today. a woman connot celebrate mass, and therefore should NOT be ordained to the preisthood.
Jesus Christ was God. He chose His actions to be culturally appropriate so that the people could receive His message. In Judaism of that era, women could not be in positions of power, therefore women could not possibly be rabbis.
God is genderless. If you need the image of God to be male in order to associate God with power, then so be it.
I'm sorry, but priests should be male. If a woman feels called to serve God, don't you think God has a way for them to serve in the way he wishes them to. There are ways for women to serve God other than the priesthood.
Jesus Christ never ordained ANYONE!!!!!! Lots of catholics, including ordained male priests are in favour of women being ordained. Pricilla was an early women Deacon in the church long before current arguement. Just because men controlled the power and therefore the church doesn't make them right.
sure Jesus had female apostles, but the bible was divinely inspired and I do not believe there is a bias in the bible by the male writers. This is all heresy and goes against the three important aspects of the Church: Scripture, Tradition, and Magisterium. Pretty sure female ordination is not under any of these...
You are welcome. Isn't it strange that we still are be stuck on the question of whether women are fit to serve God as ministers? The issue came from traditional Judaism, where it is taught that women are "unclean" when menstruating. Men in that tradition are not supposed to touch a woman who is menstruating. So women should not be doing any of the sacramental things, because they could any time be "unclean" again, and therefore desacrating the sacraments.
With all due respect, Mother Clare, I'm not a sexist or anything, but I believe there are gender roles for those of gender. Yes, God does see us as souls, but He stated very clearly that the woman is to keep her silence in the church. God bless.
Paul did say that to one particular church, the one in Galatia. He never said that this was to be the rule for all people for all times. And Jesus, much less God, never said anything of the sort about women
But is God really that conditional? We are equal to Him, and the Church is a community of faith. Not only that, but the Scripture is taken as His Word. Also, the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write such, and the Spirit reigns with the Father and the Son as God.
Gesù non ha ordinato donne!
Bulentsuleimani 1 year ago
Junia[s], Priscilla (Prisca) and Phoebe were are church leaders listed in the New testament (Acts 18 and Romans 16). There were women in leadership within the Pagan realm, however not in my Realm (Jewish). This is why Paul states what he does about women not speaking or teaching or having authority until they learned in private as they needed to learn,as much as the men did,how to be in Biblical Eldership!If you do not twist Scripture than I accept your authority if You are a Loopy liberal, nope
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@MenechemShaul Why do you think that Paul switched to preaching to Gentiles, because he approved of the behavior of the Jews he began teaching after his call to the ministry? He wanted to reach more people, including women, but he also made it clear that wanted not to defy Jewish law. Paul sanctions the conversion of Gentiles in order to avoid Jewish law in part, to end prohibitions on his own ministry.
pilarq 1 year ago
Israel is blessed ..Jesus lived there...it has served well but now hardly any Christian there now ..Armaniac is blessed Jesus spoke it but now no speaks it ..blessed are men because God became Man to show theThe Way...Men have served well but now it is time to give all souls including women to serve as priests.
MrMijana 1 year ago
Priesthood is not a "right"....it is gift from God through His Church.
I get the feeling that this movement is worshipping "diversity" and women more than Christ.
Also - to rip the soul from the body is a gnostic idea. What about the incarnation? What about our incarnation? What about incarnational theology?
DeantheNorbertine 1 year ago 2
Nonsense. Women will never be priests of Christ. All lies!
Kaploeng 1 year ago
@Kaploeng
Tell that to the Protestants, and you'd probably get a lot of boos and hisses. In many Protestant traditions, all believers are priests of Christ. This includes women, too.
in other words, women are ALREADY Christian priests, so your point is false.
Rickyrab 1 year ago
why does being a Priest or Priestess make you more equal?
cosmith87 1 year ago
Dear Mother Clare,
Jesus tells the 'woman' at the well in John 4 that He is Spirit and we are to worship Him in Spirit. Spirit is neither male of female, it is the essence of an individual's soul, and Jesus' soul is all that is pure and holy. He does not want anything less for us. Therefore we are to worship Him with our soul emptied out and cleansed out of all things evil, dirty, sinful etc a state, which we can only gain through His Grace, we are then worthy to worship Him spiritually.
ukphotolady 1 year ago 2
Dear Mother Clare,
I think that people forget that we are made in God's glorious Spiritual image, not God made in our very poor spiritual image.
ukphotolady 1 year ago 2
The woman's first response reveals to be an indifferentist. Thanks heavens she's not a real priest.
djbagmc 1 year ago
It does not matter whether a priest is a man or a woman.I have always believed that the church is where God is.Why don't the different denominations join together and praise God? I am a communicant member of the Church of England and i am very much in favour of the ministry of women.Women have a place in the church and are to be welcomed. i have been to a Eucharist where it was celebrated by a woman priest and it was a proper service as she was a minister of God's word.Thanks for this posting.
K9MARK1 2 years ago 2
We are all children of God if we have clothed ourselves in Christ , because he is our Father in heaven, and the fact is that in Him we are neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female. This is Scriptural.
ukphotolady 2 years ago 2
@ukphotolady It seems not many
people believe this scripture about
us not being male or female as we
stand before God.
motherclarewatts 1 year ago
one word to think about: obedience.
mikerocozm 2 years ago
the greatest apostle was our lady
sophie5665 2 years ago
I could not agree more.
motherclarewatts 2 years ago
No I do not agree to this.
ShaD0w1181 2 years ago
Aha this a complete joke. This women is not about sharing Christ, she wants to spread feminism. Peter no doubt was the first bishop of Rome. Christ gave peter, a man, the Authority of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church that Jesus himself Established.
Anton0088 2 years ago
This is our G-D & let us rejoice in His salvation! Amen!
With respect.
Jesus is not the 2nd person of G-D just because He resurrected.
He could have resurrected by command of G-D.
He is the 2nd person of G-D because He sent down the H. S. in Pentecost founding the church manifest.
His resurrection conquered death, harrowed hell, & gave us the GOOD NEWS of His Divinity.
The H. S. as per His prophesy came down; gracing us with understanding (of G-D), comfort & defense to this day. Amen!
Hkepfer 2 years ago
women have a great place in the church,we have had so many great women in the chruch,in the holy order,many great saints now in heaven,and women can give birth a sign of how God loves women this is a great miracle from God but women priest are wrong, christ was a man and that is why priests are males,they react the last supper every sunday and thats the way it is but women play a huge part in our catholic chruch, as nuns,and like i said many great nuns are now saints,
god bless
aidan
hotmann29 3 years ago
Utter rubbish and a complete negation of God's plan of creation of male and female. If we took misguided people like this woman seriously then God has made a mistake in making us male and female, human beings are not "genderless" human beings are created male and female which gives us the basis of love. This woman is trying to tell us God's plan of gender is irrelevant. Male and female he created them!
gladiator3543 3 years ago
Thank you for letting me write a comment...first of all. It just goes to show an openness to dialogue and obviously the truth :)
I only have one point I'd like to make I guess which is upon the interpretation of Baptism and its escheteological meaning. There is no Greek nor Jew, no slave nor Free, no woman nor man. This does not mean we lose these realities in baptism, but it means that God's love doesn't discriminate b/c of them.
ChrisPietraszko 3 years ago
As a Roman Catholic, I disagree with your conclusions. Your arguments however are valid. Priesthood is not about power. Men and women out to be equal in dignity, though remain dynamic nonetheless.
Priesthood is a sacrament, and therefore a gift. Something that we are called to, not something we take on through a reaction. That is just my thoughts on the issue.
Peace
ChrisPietraszko 3 years ago
The New Testament does not forbid ordination of women! Phillip's four teenaged daughters were prophetesses (Acts 21:8,9). Romans ch 16 gives an entire roster of female ministers and apostles (Greek word: diakonos which is the same word used to describe the Apostles). See I Peter 2:9 where the entire congregation is called a "royal priesthood" which means that everyone in it is qualified to be a priest!
1400deadwood 3 years ago
There is a difference between the "royal priesthood" and the Clerical/Ministerial priesthood. Everyone is called to the Royal priesthood. Only some are called to the other priesthood.
Mewzisan2002 3 years ago
Female apostles?!? LOL You had to step over the line from misinfomed to ludicrous. Thanks for a good chuckle.
CDRphoenix 3 years ago
Therein lies the great mistake in Roman Catholicism: We were never meant to marry an institution, i.e. the Roman church, but rather marry God. As God is gender neutral, both genders can therefore enter into this great Love Union with the Divine.
motherclarewatts 3 years ago
The Church is more than an institution, it is a physical living body! "because we are parts of his Body, this is why a man leaves his father and mother and becomes attached to his wife, and the two become one flesh. This mystery has great significance, but I am applying it to Christ and the Church." (Ephesians 5:31-33) Christ the Son is the bridegroom of the Church and he therefore feminizes the Church and sacramentally and allows Priests to be In Persona Christi by means of ordination.
Mewzisan2002 3 years ago 2
The Church isn't an instiution it is the Bride of Christ, Eph 5:32. Jesus often identifies himself as the Bridegroom, (Jesus didn't identify himself as "genderless"). Jesus never conferred priestly status on women, this is a much later feminist-secular inspired innovation totally absent from Jesus time, and by the way Jesus wasn't a prisoner of culture, utter nonsense, Jesus was killed becuase he upset the culture! It is not Catholicism that is mistaken, it is you, you are a false "priest".
gladiator3543 3 years ago
GOd is not gender neutral... God iss Father Son and Holy Spirit
catholicam 2 years ago
@motherclarewatts why do you call it Roman Catholic when you don't teach proper theology, the Catholic Church teaches God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
gracestephanie 1 year ago
@gracestephanie : I am not a Roman Catholic. By the way, a number of great Roman Catholic saints and teachers spoke of Mother God, including Hildegard von Bingen, St. Francis of Assisi, and Meister Eckhart. If you read more, study more, search more, you will find many things that you have missed in Catechism classes.
motherclarewatts 1 year ago
@motherclarewatts well i hate to break this to you but i have a phd in theology! you have totally misinterpreted your references by the way, and i should know i'm a specialist in feminist theology. so better luck next time!
gracestephanie 1 year ago
@gracestephanie I know many people with PhD's in theology who have never had a real experience of God. I hope and pray you are not one of them. Without an experience of God one really knows nothing about God at all. When you actually come into the Presence of God, you may discover something different than all your theology training taught you.
motherclarewatts 1 year ago
@motherclarewatts I started my theology training at first to know my faith better and to understand it along the way. In my journey, I have come to know God more and have opened myself up to know God more. I am nothing but a servant to the Word! I keep things simple when I teach theology and remind all those that it all points back to Christ. This is why I appreciate Justin's Trinitarian theology, I think we can learn so much from the Early Church Fathers.
gracestephanie 1 year ago
@gracestephanie I am glad to hear that. May your life in God continue to unfold and bring you, and others through you, much peace and joy. Servants of the Word are rare and valuable. May you be blessed for your service.
motherclarewatts 1 year ago
When a man is ordained to the Roman Catholic priesthood he is married to MOTHER Church. Priestly ordination allows the male gender to anthropologically complement the female nature of the church by sacramental means. If the Church allowed women ordinations, it would not only violate the gender compatibility of human beings in nature, moreover, it would mean that the Roman Catholic Church condones homosexuality. Since the Church is obviously against homosexuality, women ordinations are invalid!
Mewzisan2002 3 years ago
This was absolutely fascinating mother Clare.
encoberta 3 years ago
SIMPLE UNDERSTANDING OF THE PRIESTHOOD
1. that Priests is another Christ
2. Christ is a Man (not a WOMAN)
3. Jesus chose MEN TO BE HIS APOSTLES Remember there is NO WOMAN of the 12
Google
Who Started Your Church
If the Catholic Church isn't correct and all other churches broke away from the Catholic Church. Which church is the correct one?
junmeskie 3 years ago 2
@junmeskie Christ was also Jewish, about Middle Eastern. Does this mean that all preists have to be these two things too? Of course not. You can't just pick one quality of Jesus and justify that towards discrimminating women in the preisthood.
USSYODA1992 1 year ago 2
@junmeskie
Ok, so that's what the (male) editors and writers of the New Testament want everyone to believe. Heh.
Rickyrab 1 year ago
If you are not Catholic, I can care less, but if you are you should be excommunicated. In order for a catholic priest to celebrate mass, he has to act in the person of Jesus Christ (a man). Jesus could have ordained women, but he chose not to because he knew that in order for the first priests to celebrate mass, they had to be men, and act in him. This still remains today. a woman connot celebrate mass, and therefore should NOT be ordained to the preisthood.
Robert101140 3 years ago
Jesus Christ was God. He chose His actions to be culturally appropriate so that the people could receive His message. In Judaism of that era, women could not be in positions of power, therefore women could not possibly be rabbis.
God is genderless. If you need the image of God to be male in order to associate God with power, then so be it.
viviananderson 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but priests should be male. If a woman feels called to serve God, don't you think God has a way for them to serve in the way he wishes them to. There are ways for women to serve God other than the priesthood.
lutheranorthodoksi 3 years ago
Nonsense!
Jesus didn't care about offending the social order.
He associated with Prostitutes and Tax Collectors, offended the High-Priests and claimed to forgive sin.
He didn't care about turning soicety upside down, how dare you insult him.
God does not bow to the constraints of society.
cardinalgav 3 years ago
Jesus Christ never ordained ANYONE!!!!!! Lots of catholics, including ordained male priests are in favour of women being ordained. Pricilla was an early women Deacon in the church long before current arguement. Just because men controlled the power and therefore the church doesn't make them right.
islelassie 3 years ago
sure Jesus had female apostles, but the bible was divinely inspired and I do not believe there is a bias in the bible by the male writers. This is all heresy and goes against the three important aspects of the Church: Scripture, Tradition, and Magisterium. Pretty sure female ordination is not under any of these...
tradition1st 3 years ago
Absolutely agree with you! Thank you mother!
KukuMinjung 3 years ago
Of course there is a deep absurdity in the male dominated world. Thank you Mother Claire. I never heard of you before this video.
kiya3 4 years ago
You are welcome. Isn't it strange that we still are be stuck on the question of whether women are fit to serve God as ministers? The issue came from traditional Judaism, where it is taught that women are "unclean" when menstruating. Men in that tradition are not supposed to touch a woman who is menstruating. So women should not be doing any of the sacramental things, because they could any time be "unclean" again, and therefore desacrating the sacraments.
Mother Clare
motherclarewatts 4 years ago
yes - I am aware of that. Other religions and cultures do not treat women any better as well.
kiya3 4 years ago
A courageous woman!
strands333 4 years ago
With all due respect, Mother Clare, I'm not a sexist or anything, but I believe there are gender roles for those of gender. Yes, God does see us as souls, but He stated very clearly that the woman is to keep her silence in the church. God bless.
AnHonestChristian 4 years ago
Actually, it was Paul who said that, not Jesus.
smos22 4 years ago
Paul did say that to one particular church, the one in Galatia. He never said that this was to be the rule for all people for all times. And Jesus, much less God, never said anything of the sort about women
motherclarewatts 4 years ago
But is God really that conditional? We are equal to Him, and the Church is a community of faith. Not only that, but the Scripture is taken as His Word. Also, the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write such, and the Spirit reigns with the Father and the Son as God.
AnHonestChristian 4 years ago
@motherclarewatts
Paul was probably pretty annoyed at whatever the women were doing in the church at the time (I suspect heckling or something like that).
Rickyrab 1 year ago