The San people aren't 'ancestors' of the human race.
All humans didn't 'evolve' from them. It's not like while white people were evolving in Europe the San people were frozen in time. Humans in Africa were evolving just the same as everyone else in the world, and they're just as different from the early ancestors of man as any other person on the earth.
The idea that black people are less evolved than other humans is an idea propagated by backwards eugenicists in the late 19th century.
I really don't give a fuck about this I just wanna laugh at them clicking lol "*click CLICK!* boo shackalacka! Totoro sameeta ashner *CLICK* du notunnio!" lol
this anthropologist is preaching his gospel of origins to the click tribe. No different than a jesuite priest of the fourteenth century. Oh, the lulz.
It's unbelieveable that people argue about the most senseless thing in the world. If it's already been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, then why gripe about it. I see too many people get mad about something as stupid as the word that separated us(Race.) The San people, as well as others in Africa made us all. Accept it. Anyone that uses "race" as superior or inferior should check the history of where they live. That in itself would surprise them.
It must be monkey and ape DNA that makes crackers behave the way that they do.
Or perhaps it is the reality that they DEVOLVED in Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Tajikistan Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan where they swapped genetic material with monkeys (RH factor) and apes (Neranderthal AND Denisova) that causes them to behave this way
I just wish that they would stop stealing the histories of others and focus on their ancestral homelands!
There are no doubt many ancient white civilzations there LOL
@OrisLover No it was said that everyone outside of Africa are humans but have some Neanderthal DNA. When humans LEFT Africa, they then mated with Neanderthals which is why people outside of Africa have an estimated 1 to 4 percent neanderthal DNA. Africans are pretty much the only pure humans.
@wtfcowbbq cont'd. You do NOT go around labeling and classifying a group of people to suit a version of history that is preferred. Unfortunately Whites are known for this crap and people latch onto it likes it's the truh, well it isn't.
@wtfcowbbq please learn what a longitudinal study is, you clearly do not understand its credibility. All of the info is present without the use of wiki. There is no Negroid, Capoid or any other type. It's made up.
Hello PsychMaj323, I just wanted to let you know that San Bushmen are the lightest natural Africans and they are a distinct subrace of Negroids known as Capoid. Other Africans look different from them and are naturally darker
It has been shown that variations in skull measurements decrease with distance from Africa at the same rate as the decrease in genetic diversity. These data support the Out of Africa theory over the multiregional origin of modern humans hypothesis. The aforementioned April 2009 study identifies the likely origin of modern human migration as being in southwestern Africa, near the coastal border of Namibia and Angola, and the exit point out of Africa as being in East Africa
@psychmaj323 lmao this moron is getting his info from wiki wow your really retarded they dont have the same skull shapes they dont have the same haplogroups they dont have the same genetics they dont even look the same even if you left and mutate like you said you would still have some traces of dna left like the native americans they left the asian tribes in siberia for thousands of years and you still can trace their dna back to asia NOT africans
@wtfcowbbq A 10-year study published in 2009 analyzed the patterns of variation at 1,327 DNA markers of 121 African populations, 4 African American populations, and 60 non-African populations. The research showed that there is more human genetic diversity in Africa than anywhere else on Earth. Come again??
@psychmaj323 lmao dumb afrocentric moron making up lies or using a fake unreliable resource which are probably made by afrocentrics like yourself never in my life have i heard that before just accept it only black people originated in africa NOBODY ELSE
@wtfcowbbq it doesn't matter, civilization started in Africa and migration, mutation and adaptation took place, end of story. Africa is the continent with the most genetic diversity. And just because a bone was found in a certain area, does not necessarily mean that that is its place of origin.
@psychmaj323 wow you are a retard using old theories that had been debunked and discarded civilization DID NOT start in africa if anything it started in the middle east aka west asia africa DOES NOT have the most genetic diversity you afrocentric moron south asians NE asians and SE asians including polynesians melanesians and micronesians DO NOT have african blood or ancestors their DNA DOES NOT trace back to africa
@wtfcowbbq who says it's been debunked? Nothing I've come across has stated that the out of Africa theory is incorrect...YES Africans do have the most diverse genes. It's why you find tribes like the Kohisans.. The reason it doesn't trace genius is because genes mutate and change and you adapt... I hardly believe that a group of people who look exactly like the Sans people don't have an ancestral link... You have been brainwashed buddy...I suggest you take a look at Hidden Colors
@psychmaj323 you are seriously retarded and everybody hates afrocentrics like you its been debunked google it... africans are not diverse at all there is only congoid and capoid black people nothing else the rest is caucasoid NOT black even if genes mutate which i dont believe that you would still have some traces of your original ancestors and no asian look like san people go tell that to an asian and he would laugh at you your a afrocentric dumbass
can anyone name an ethnic group of black people in ghana, congo, ivory coast or gabon ,who are light skin. without any history of mixture with europeans or arabs.
Just because they were here 50,000 years ago and haven't changed one damn bit doesn't indicate they are better, purer, or should be looked upon with some sort of awe or respect.
It appears to me the branches that splintered off and were expelled from Africa due to their differences are why humans have advanced.
@jrj9746 nothing of the kind is being said by science (that they are purer, that category doesn't even exist in science).
On the other hand they have a wide variety of genes we don't, some of them are immune to diseases we are not. they are a reservoir of genetic diversity I wish we will not lose.
Also the other branches that LEFT africa not necesarily where expelled.
Also what does it mean to advance? to lead the race to self destruction or to live in harmony with the environment?
@jrj9746 actually, people always think that b/c they reside in africa and maintain an old sense of tradition that they are genetically the same as people 50,000 year ago. They may be as different genetically from old africans as modern europeans from the first ones (cromags) Athough its not very different between cromagnons and today's europeans.
@jrj9746 But... if humans continued to live like they did/do... the human race would probably continue to live on until the end of the earth... The way most of us are living now is eventually going to destroy us long before what our expiry date should be. Sure. perhaps we might develop technology to migrate to different planets, thus humans could possibly become so great that we will be around forever to evolve into different species but the chances arent that great :)
Yeah they do look Mongoloid, in fact many years ago people considered them a different race or subrace of Sub-Saharan Africans called CAPOIDS or Hottentots, look it up. It's very interesting, and yes they are naturally light skinned.
This is kind of a rant. But it's nice to see groups of people holding on to their traditions and culture. It's a shame to see globalization take its toll on various cultures around the world. I wish the European, Asian, and American cultures could hold on to it's tradition. But sadly, it's all faded away.
It would be interesting to see how the Khoisan languages have influenced the development of the Xhosa-Zulu group of South Bantu languages. The Bantu seem to have adapted the simpler clicks into their language.
@1987bugsy Aww - you blocked me, or what? Realizing you're wrong hurts you that bad? That quote/that picture you sent was totally pointless, and actually just proves exactly what I've been saying all along.
@1987bugsy Africa has the most diversity, genetically, it doesn't make them any less Black. They are Africans, period. Somalians, Ethiopians and Eritreans all consider themselves Black/African.
@1987bugsy You're very misinformed. The San do not have any European ancestry at all and it's silly that you think that they must have some sort of white ancestry just because of their light skin. Light skin is not exclusive to mulattoes or whites, there are plenty of pure indigenous Africans with light skin. Secondly, black people tend to have smaller eyes than say, Caucasians, and you can find indigenous Africans from all parts of the continent with 'Asian' looking eyes.
@1987bugsy The Cape Coloureds are the peoples of S. Africa with mixed race ancestry - the San have no mixed race ancestry whatsoever.
The variations in skin colour and tone amongst Somalis and Indians is due to their diversity! VERY few of them have any mixed race ancestry.
I've got news for you..being African myself I know plenty of Africans, some in my own family, who have very light skin and get this - they/we have NO mixed race ancestry whatsoever!
@Trumblebee Oh and we are from those regions you say are only populated by dark skinned people. It's so ignorant for you to assume that we are mixed just because some of us don't fit the stereotypical image of a sub-Saharan African. Africans are a diverse people! We have diverse features that are not always the result of mixed-race ancestry.
@1987bugsy "like i said you think the way things are now is the way they have always been" - what do you mean by this? "the ones in the north west are light, because they are more mixed with arabs etc" - do you have any sources? It sounds like bs to me."you dont know everything that happened in history you cant say whos mixed and who isnt" - yes, you can. there are these things called genetic ancestry tests you know...genetic studies have been done on just about every group of people...
@Trumblebee very very few people in west africa and sub-saharan africa as a whole have any mixed-race ancestry. i'd say most light-skinned sub-saharan africans have "pure" ancestry but just happen to have light skin. it's really annoying how non-blacks always assume that someone with non-stereotypical black features is mixed, that's not always the case trust me.
@1987bugsy Okay, India was invaded by Mongols, so what? Parts of India were ruled by the Mongols at different points in history, that's all I got from that quote. Nothing about the Mongols breeding with local women to such an extent that a large section of the modern-day Indian population has Mongol ancestry.
In my country we were invaded by the Portugese, the Arabs and eventually the Europeans, yet very few of us have any Portugese, Arab, or Euro ancestry.
@Trumblebee Again, I'm well aware that mixing between different ETHNIC GROUPS has taken place all around the world, I'm not denying that. Mixing between different races did not happen as often, for obvious reasons.
The ignorance being displayed here is only coming from you. You obviously haven't done much research on the topic you're blabbering on about apart from reading a few Wikipedia articles
@1987bugsy Oh and one more thing, please don't put words into my mouth. I never said anything about Indians actually, the only thing I mentioned was that it's extremely ignorant for you to assume that people who do not fit the stereotypical image of a race or ethnic group look that way because they have foreign ancestry.
Why are you deleting your comments by the way?? Are you finally realizing that you don't know what you're talking about?
@1987bugsy Ha, really? I've ignored everything YOU'VE said? Now i know you've definitely run out of arguments, I've addressed every single thing you've said...name one thing that I haven't. I'm from Kenya.
@1987bugsy You're saying the same thing over and over and I already agreed with it, Europeans and most people around the world are mixed with a number of different ethnic groups. You really don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying. I've already acknowledged that there are groups of people in various parts of Africa with sub-Saharan mixed ancestry but they are a MINORITY, The vast majority of sub-Saharan Africans do not have mixed-race ancestry!
@1987bugsy THIS is what I'm saying, I don't know why you've had such a hard time understanding this: Pretty much all sub-Saharan Africans are a mix of different African ethnic groups but very few groups in Africa have mixed race ancestry. Don't assume that those of us that don't fit the image you have in your head of what an African is supposed to look like look this way because we have mixed race ancestry. Sub-Saharan peoples are much more diverse than you seem to think.
@1987bugsy Do you have a learning disability? You definitely have some serious problems with reading comprehension. This is a direct quote from the third comment I ever sent to you: "It's so ignorant for you to assume that we are mixed just because some of us don't fit the stereotypical image of a sub-Saharan African."
I highly doubt you're an indigenous black African, if you were you wouldn't be as ignorant as you are regarding Africans, African history, or African diversity.
@1987bugsy That's exactly what I've been saying, I haven't been deleting my comments like you have been, you can go back and read every single comment I ever said to you. They're all right here.
@Trumblebee "Again, I'm well aware that mixing between different ETHNIC GROUPS has taken place all around the world, I'm not denying that. Mixing between different races did not happen as often, for obvious reasons." - and this is a direct quote from one of my early replies. So what exactly do you mean by "this is not what you were saying"?
I've been saying all that ever since the conversation began! LOL
@1987bugsy Listen, a lot of people are curious about the San and a lot of genetic ancestry studies have been done on them. Look up the results and see if you can find anything about the San having any mixed race ancestry, good luck. Your mistake is thinking that all black people look the same, that we all have dark skin, nappy hair, big lips, and a wide nose and those of us that don't must have some Arab or Euro granddaddy hiding in the family tree. That's incredibly ignorant.
Your physical characteristics are main identifiers of your race. It may be politically incorrect to just assume that all pure Africans have nappy hair and dark skin, but it is generally what they usually have.
@pooptickler1337 It is actually, there's a large population of sub-Saharan Africans who DON'T have those physical characteristics. And it's not just politically incorrect to just assume that all pure Africans have nappy hair and dark skin (btw since when is this politically incorrect? the vast majority of non-Africans believe this), it's just plain incorrect.
@Trumblebee I have never heard of that population before, the population that don't look like average Africans.
I know all Africans don't have the same characteristics, that's why it is politically incorrect in the first place.
There are some Africans with lighter skin, and it would be incorrect (politically incorrect) to say that all Africans have dark skin; however, there is no ignorance is suggesting that Africans, in general(more of an average), have dark skin.
@pooptickler1337 Are you serious? The Khoisan, the very people in this video, are some of the many people who do not have those stereotypical African physical features ("kinky" hair, wide nose, dark skin). Horners are another, and there are people in many other African ethnic groups that also don't have those features.
It's plain ignorant and silly to stereotype an entire group of people, especially a group of people as diverse as Africans are.
I don't know what video you are watching, but they look like the stereotypical black people to me.
I am not necessarily negatively stereotyping them; an average or median exists between all African tribes; generally speaking, Africans have those features; it is politically incorrect, because a small tribe or two might have different characteristics, but Africans usually do have those traits, and it isn't necessarily racist to point that fact out.
@pooptickler1337 ummm, they don't have the stereotypical sub-saharan african phenotype like say, akon or something. that's why silly people tend to assume that the khoisan are a mixed people, because they don't look like what most non-africans think africans look like...because they are light skinned and have the epicanthic fold.
a small tribe or two? the horners are one of many examples, and that's not even a tribe, that's an entire region of africa...cntd..
@Trumblebee anyway, this is just ridiculous. there's nothing to discuss. anybody in their right mind knows that it's ignorant to stereotype and generalize, and especially ignorant to stereotype and generalize MILLIONS of people.
I don't understand what is wrong with assuming that it's an African people. Sometimes, I can tell the difference between an Englishman and a German, because I am English myself. It's not my fault that all African tribes, to me, look almost alike. I am not African, so I am not brought up to know the differences; I see them all as one race. An animal would also see all humans as one race also. There is nothing wrong with political incorrectness.
@pooptickler1337 this isn't about being politically correct so i don't know why you keep bringing up that term. it's simply ignorant to stereotype and generalize millions of people who are part of thousands of distinct ethnic groups, you can refute this all you want but it's a fact.
if to you all africans look the same, you probably hold this opinion because you have not met or seen many africans and you are ignorant of the diversity of africans.
It is not ignorant to make stereotypes about people. We are given eyes to see, and we are given a brain to see patterns in what we see. Taxonomy itself is just a classification of generalized animals and people. Some people still debate whether or not Scots is a dialect of English or a separate language. My point is that such classifications may be a tad exclusive (especially for minority groups), but they are far from being necessarily ignorant.
Well I think you are only half right, you see I've done alot of research on Indigenous Africans and almost all of them have dark brown skin, with the exception of the San Bushmen, but the San Bushmen look physically different than other Africans, so the fact that they are light skinned doesnt surprise me, because they look Oriental/Mongoloid. But other non ethnic San who are light skinned probably have some European, Arab or Asian ancestry somewhere in their ancestry
@gatheringleaves perhaps that's the case for some light-skinned africans, but definitely not all. within my family for example, there are people so light-skinned that they are mistaken for mulattoes abroad but we can list our ancestors and their tribes for i don't know how many generations back and there are definitely no foreign ancestors. there are few africans with foreign ancestry so i don't think that explains it
If you are a light skinned African then you definitely have white or arab ancestors. The vast majority of Sub Saharan Africans are dark brown skinned and very few have light skin, that's because it stems from European Arab or Asian ancestry. How do you know for sure there are no foreign ancestors, before European colonialism tribes did not keep written records so there's no way of knowing for sure
@gatheringleaves nope, my ancestors are all african. as i said, i can trace back my ancestors for generations, way back before the europeans stepped foot in our land. in my tribe you must learn the names, tribes and clans of your ancestors for about 14 generations and memorize them. so i do know for a fact that there are no whites or arabs in my family, my ancestors were all indigenous black africans.
How light are your light skinned family members? Like give me an example of a person who shares their skin tone and I can tell you whether they are mixed are not. Also your ancestors are probably not all African because Africa is a very hot humid climate and would not allow very light skinned people to originate their indigenously, for instance everywhere in the world from the South Pacific, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Australia all the natives have brown skin
@gatheringleaves uh.....you cannot tell whether a person is mixed or not based on their skin colour!! there are people in my family with skin colours similar to that of akons and that of beyonces and everything in between. like i said before, i'm pretty damn sure we're not mixed with any foreign ancestry. not only have we researched our ancestry but i've never heard of anyone from my tribe with non-recent african ancestry, we historically did not interact much with foreigners
@Trumblebee the indigenous people of all those areas you mentioned have varying skin tones, just like africans. some are lighter and some are darker, the ones with lighter skin don't always have such light skin because of foreign ancestry.
your skin cancer argument is completely irrelevant, these light skinned africans we are talking about are not WHITE, more of a light brown if you wanna get technical.
lying about what? why would i lie? misinformed about what? my family? lol no.
Okay then tell me what tribe or tribes your family comes from so I can do research on them to see what skin colors and features they have If you're so sure that your 100 percent African!
If your a modern day East African then you most likely have European and especially Arab ancestry, the Arabs traveled up and down the East African coast for hundreds of years and possibly thousands, trading with the local Indigenous Africans, therefore your light skinned family members have Arab ancestry, well that's a relief it's finally explained
@gatheringleaves You've explained nothing and have told me nothing I didn't already know. Yes, there is a small population of people, the "Swahili", who have Arab, Persian, Indian (though not all do) and even in some cases, Chinese ancestry. No European ancestry though. Anyway, I'm not a Swahili, my tribe is not from the coast but from much farther inland and so we did not directly trade with or interact with the foreigners or even with the Swahili.
@Trumblebee I already know for a fact that my tribe did intermarry with people like the San but they're Africans as well so again, no foreign ancestry here.
I've done a lot of research on my tribe and I have even come across a few DNA studies all of which concluded that my tribe are indigenous Africans with no foreign ancestry. Sorry! I'm not mixed, our light skin has nothing to do with some Euro or Arab ancestors, just a product of African diversity :)
Well what tribe are you then, tell me so I can look it up
This is big news to me, because everything I've seen and read so far has led me to believe that 100 percent Africans are dark skinned. And also, any African that doesnt have African features is in fact mixed
Ah so your Kikuyu, very interesting. However your wrong about a few other things, while I agree with you that 100 percent Africans could have light skin and thin lips, I find it impossible to believe that there are full africans who dont have nappy hair or flat wide noses since those traits appear to be extremely common in all parts of Africa. West, Central, South, and East. So your only half right
@gatheringleaves Are you kidding me? You claim that you've spent a lot of time researching Africa/Africans so how come you're so ignorant on the subject? Look up Somalis, Afars, Oromos, Boranas,The majority of people in those tribes have thinner noses and looser curls. And they are Africans. And then there are a few people in other tribes that also do not have those features.
@gatheringleaves Trust me I am third generation khoi san and our people are yellow, as opposed to the bantus who are dark. Two completely different genetic make-ups. The bantus found my ancestors when they arrived in southern Africa.
Wow, so your a Khoi San huh, that's pretty cool. Also I have a question, are there some Khoi San who live in Cities and Towns instead of in tribes, or do all San live in tribes in the Kalahari?
@gatheringleaves I am mixed. There are those that live the original lifestyle in reserves in South Africa, Namibia and Botswana, and those in small town like my grandparents' town Douglas and scattered a bit all over. Some are streetwise in big towns. But most are, like me, mixed (it's called "coloured" in SA) and part of the mixed (brown) community and very modern. Khoi San is a very general term but there are lots of tribes.
@Trumblebee there are different coloureds, for example in the northern cape most descending from khoi san, in western cape it's mostly the malays, in gauteng, mostly black/white coloureds etc...we may all be mixed but it is definitely not the same mixtures. It's mixing up more now since apartheid has been dismantled and there is freedom of association, but the zones still exist to a very large extent.
@MsWildtiger yeah, i understand that not all coloureds have the exact same mix but they are considered to be one ethnic group. the khoisan are another ethnic group. in your previous comment, maybe you didn't mean to but you made it sound like the khoisan and the coloureds are the same/one ethnic group.
@Trumblebee I said a lot of people with khoi san blood are coloureds. And they tend to have children with each other too as they don't move around a lot. They are considered to be one group because the coloureds were kept aside to keep others "pure", not because they are homogenous. when you look at coloureds who are yellow, they are very close still to the khoi san genes, my mom for example is highly identifiable.
@Trumblebee In any case lots of coloureds don't want to mix with very khoi san looking people because there is a social stigma. We are considered to be the least of people by the others, even many of the coloureds, who like to go for light skin and straight hair.
@MsWildtiger my gran looked like pure khoi san but got classified coloured so that she could marry my grandfather, who had a filipino grandmother and was subsequently classified coloured. If you had one other race in your family, you were coloured. So lots of coloureds look like khoi san, even entire towns' coloured communities. coloured is not our label, it was forced on us.
@Trumblebee this video should tell you that it's not always easy to draw the line between bushman and coloured. That's why we say we're bushies :) /watch?v=fFsxS3xk-BA
@MsWildtiger i know there can be physical similarities, that's bound to happen since most coloureds do have some khoisan ancestry. there are many differences between the two groups though like for example, the khoisan and coloureds don't even speak the same language. or share the same culture.
@Trumblebee Look, the language has been massacred by the apartheid system in favour of akrikaans and that is the case with even the reserve people. And same goes for the culture. Before understanding anything about the khoi san, you have to understand the terrible history. I know South Africa can be hard to grasp for anyone who has not lived under apartheid. My grandmother spoke 7 languages but the children don't learn these languages they get phased out with education. It is very painful.
@Trumblebee And as concerns the culture, I must also add that a lot gets passed down, you can't just say we have nothing of our people, I don't know why you assume that. Everything is not what it seems. I understand that you don't know, but please don't be so categoric. Just because people dress differently and live in towns does not mean they discard their roots.
@Trumblebee Identity is not something you can just deny someone. Allow people to define who they are. Having lived under a system that attacked that, I am very sensitive to this.
@Trumblebee And I never said people are the same. I said khoi and san genes are prevalent in coloureds as opposed to the minorities that are dwindling in the reserves so I don't know where the contradiction comes in. I don't know where the confusion lies with what I have been saying.
@MsWildtiger you said something about how most khoisan are mixed, that's where i was confused. cuz they aren't, the coloureds are mixed; it sounded like you were grouping them together.
i'm sure the coloureds have retained some aspects of khoisan culture, as well as the cultures of all the other peoples they have mixed with but as a whole, coloured and khoisan culture are very different.
@Trumblebee It was a case of khoi san people being taken over by bantu people, so the khoi san have minority genes there yet are very present. You know, some people define a people by genes, others by culture, others by nationality. So, "who" people are is always debatable. In SA we have been conditioned to defining people under their genetic profile ("race"). Cultures have been highly mixed as you aptly pointed out so genes are easier. Culture is only what we make it, we stay our genes however.
@MsWildtiger "black african" mentality?? "yellow mentality?? care to explain this a little bit more cuz that just sounds silly to me. what's the difference between the two?
i'm definitely not saying the xhosa are bushmen, i was just pointing out that they are similar to the coloureds in that they also have significant khoisan ancestry. there are physical similarities between the xhosa and the bushmen because of that mixture just like between some coloureds and the bushmen..cnt'd..
@Trumblebee and because of all the interaction between the xhosa and the bushmen, the xhosa even parts of khoisan language and culture into their own language and culture. that doesn't make them bushmen though, they are still two different ethnic groups. just like the coloureds and bushmen are two different ethnic groups.
@Trumblebee but of course you are free to identify as anything you wish. i guess when you are of mixed heritage especially you are always struggling to find something that you can identify with
@Trumblebee I am giving up on you because there is nothing as arrogant as a foreigner who wants to define people he does not know. Try telling anyone in South Africa the people in the Northern Cape villages are not yellow & they will laugh at you. You don't understand that the people were segregated in such a way that precious few other genes penetrated the coloured communities of the villages. In any case they stick together like glue. I see you did not watch the link I sent you.
@MsWildtiger As I said in my previous comment, you are free to identify as whatever you want to. If you identify more with your Khoisan ancestry then that's great, you are free to do so. But what I've been saying all along is that the Khoisan and the Coloureds are two separate and distinct ethnic groups. They have different languages, different cultures, different way of lives.
@Trumblebee I never said anything about Coloureds not being "yellow", yes, I did watch the video of the Coloured folk singer, and I've already acknowledged the physical similarities between the two groups.
Yes, this conversation is getting a bit tiring so let's just agree to disagree.
@Trumblebee Of course it is tiring especially with your obnoxious behaviour. Glad it's over. Just remember one thing though, the coloureds are not "an ethnic group".
@amylnitrateify The person who asserts that coloured people are an ethnic group is the one you need to call a racist. There is no homogenous ethnicity in the coloureds. It is an artificially created community who never asked to be called "coloured". I will never deny what my grandparents passed onto me. I hold my nama ancestry very dear and no foreigner is going to take that away from me, and I don't deserve disrespect because people want to keep me in a coloured pidgeon hole. Yellow and proud.
@Trumblebee The point I raised about the Xhosa was to point out how different people self-identify. You can't compare the xhosas to the coloureds in places like Douglas, Campbell, Upington etc in that sense. That is why I brought up the point about mentality.
@Trumblebee don't worry nothing offensive, just cultural. Black african pride is something very powerful and beautiful, just different. Yellow people are very mellow and laid-back. A different outlook on life.
@Trumblebee I have not, I repeat not, been saying people are identical. I have spoken about ancestral influence, which is stronger over just a few generations like in the coloured people I mentioned than in the Xhosas who have had 1500 years to develop away from that influence. Common sense.
@Trumblebee the xhosas have a very "black african" mentality and the coloureds who have strong khoi san blood have a very "yellow" mentality. I don't know how to explain it, yellow people have a certain way of looking at life that is very distinct, no matter the slant of their culture. You'd have to mix with the people to understand what I mean. You certainly can't tell them they are not yellow and you can't tell xhosas they are bushman, they think of themselves as black above all.
@Trumblebee How to explain to you how much I love my yellow people, I don't look like them, I don't live like them, I don't talk like them, but there is something so deep and so strong, that I can't define. When I went to Douglas (MUCH more khoi san), everyone greeted, hugged, kissed me, recognised me, without knowing me, all of a sudden I knew who I was and why I have the personality I have. More than all the time I spent in Kimberley with my coloured family, more mixed, but nothing like me.
@Trumblebee Xhosas don't feel that way. Their black culture is what makes them feel strong. I know, a very good friend (best friend since 6 years) is Xhosa. So how do you define things? You can only go on what you feel deep inside you and nobody else can tell you who you are.
If not Arab ancestry, then you most likely have Khoisan ancestry, due to the fact that the Khoisan people originally inhabited much of Southern Africa and the East African coast before being displaced by darker skinned tribes from Central and West Africa.
How the hell do you know how much your ancestors interacted with foreigners in the distant past! You weren't there, and you were not alive in Africa before Colonialism so you have no way of knowing for sure, sorry
So why the hell should Africa be any different, the San for instance are about as light as many Native Americans so their skin tone is understandable. And if you look up skin cancer rates among White Australians and Albino Africans you will see high rates, so please explain this to me. I think you're either lying or misinformed
@1987bugsy Of course mixing between different African ethnic groups took place, I literally can't think of a single African who has ancestry from just one ethnic group but I also can't think of a single African who has mixed race ancestry, that's what we were talking about. Check out genetic studies that have been done on various African populations, very very few of them have mixed race ancestry.
@wtfcowbbq What the hell is this in response to? By the way, just a tip, if you actually want to be taken seriously by anyone you should probably cut down on the unnecessary swearing and the petty insults.
So they came strait from Adam and Eve? Did Adam and Eve speak with clicks? He says that there is scientific proof that we came from them starting 50k years ago? I'm confused. Before therm were there neanderthals and these people are on the chain of evolution?
So came strait from Adam and Eve? Did Adam and Eve speak with clicks? He says that there is scientific proof that we came from them starting 50k years ago? I'm confused. Before therm were there neanderthals and these people are on the chain of evolution?
listen here (the smart missile of its day) man... our ancestors knew that the only thing that will guarantee our survival is BALANCE... sadly our balance is currently off mark... however its not the whole world that is off... sadly its the few which is fucking it up for all of us. My name is four winds from the Ngati Rangi Nui tribe of Aotearoa New Zealand and we have maintained a balance with our mother earth for eons... when is it that you people are going to finally learn?
@DIJITALSON The Planet is way over populated by the Homosapien who learned to use of the Fossil fuel and Farming,Technology and the most Catastrophic thing ever:Profit and Money so it will never be as it was when we Humans all we worked and Hunted for what we needed to survive.It's very sad but it's the fact God Bless U and your Tribe Peace
so the under tone of evolution is blacks are the least evolved?RACIEST!!!!!!! I WHITES CAME FROM BLACKS WHY HAVENT BLACKS IN THE NORTH USA CITIES BECAME LIGHTER?
The San people aren't 'ancestors' of the human race.
All humans didn't 'evolve' from them. It's not like while white people were evolving in Europe the San people were frozen in time. Humans in Africa were evolving just the same as everyone else in the world, and they're just as different from the early ancestors of man as any other person on the earth.
The idea that black people are less evolved than other humans is an idea propagated by backwards eugenicists in the late 19th century.
samsrok 1 day ago
for the record, they're dying because of things that could be ameliorated pretty easily...
redpunk 5 days ago
This isn't helping I need 2 know how to say HELLO
uasaN3ONNINIAuasa 1 week ago
Their eyes kinda look like east asians.
guywholovescats1 1 week ago
Click click bloodly click pancakes!
amineroca 2 weeks ago
This guy is stupid.
airventschinatown 2 weeks ago
I really don't give a fuck about this I just wanna laugh at them clicking lol "*click CLICK!* boo shackalacka! Totoro sameeta ashner *CLICK* du notunnio!" lol
SweetTheMan 2 weeks ago
this anthropologist is preaching his gospel of origins to the click tribe. No different than a jesuite priest of the fourteenth century. Oh, the lulz.
Ninjadelusion 3 weeks ago
human telegraphs lol
Ninjadelusion 3 weeks ago
this is horrible, I hope they don't think all white people are like that.
Ungortable 4 weeks ago
Notice, they are not really black and they have isiatic eyes, there mouths are thin.
meelusine 4 weeks ago
Antidisestablishmentarianism
NavySealO3 1 month ago
It's unbelieveable that people argue about the most senseless thing in the world. If it's already been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, then why gripe about it. I see too many people get mad about something as stupid as the word that separated us(Race.) The San people, as well as others in Africa made us all. Accept it. Anyone that uses "race" as superior or inferior should check the history of where they live. That in itself would surprise them.
seadog27able 1 month ago
It must be monkey and ape DNA that makes crackers behave the way that they do.
Or perhaps it is the reality that they DEVOLVED in Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Tajikistan Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan where they swapped genetic material with monkeys (RH factor) and apes (Neranderthal AND Denisova) that causes them to behave this way
I just wish that they would stop stealing the histories of others and focus on their ancestral homelands!
There are no doubt many ancient white civilzations there LOL
msblackmagic14 1 month ago
if you think that's light skined then you know nothing about colour and black people plus those are not the lightest in africa either ~sigh~
teenfiction1 1 month ago
@teenfiction1
Yes they are, the climate of Africa is too hot for lighter skinned people then the San
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
It was recently discovered that all non-African human beings are related to Neanderthal. Tha being said, where did the Africans come from?
OrisLover 1 month ago
@OrisLover No it was said that everyone outside of Africa are humans but have some Neanderthal DNA. When humans LEFT Africa, they then mated with Neanderthals which is why people outside of Africa have an estimated 1 to 4 percent neanderthal DNA. Africans are pretty much the only pure humans.
zRibzyMitzy7 1 month ago
@wtfcowbbq cont'd. You do NOT go around labeling and classifying a group of people to suit a version of history that is preferred. Unfortunately Whites are known for this crap and people latch onto it likes it's the truh, well it isn't.
psychmaj323 1 month ago
@wtfcowbbq please learn what a longitudinal study is, you clearly do not understand its credibility. All of the info is present without the use of wiki. There is no Negroid, Capoid or any other type. It's made up.
psychmaj323 1 month ago
@psychmaj323
Hello PsychMaj323, I just wanted to let you know that San Bushmen are the lightest natural Africans and they are a distinct subrace of Negroids known as Capoid. Other Africans look different from them and are naturally darker
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
It has been shown that variations in skull measurements decrease with distance from Africa at the same rate as the decrease in genetic diversity. These data support the Out of Africa theory over the multiregional origin of modern humans hypothesis. The aforementioned April 2009 study identifies the likely origin of modern human migration as being in southwestern Africa, near the coastal border of Namibia and Angola, and the exit point out of Africa as being in East Africa
psychmaj323 1 month ago
@psychmaj323 lmao this moron is getting his info from wiki wow your really retarded they dont have the same skull shapes they dont have the same haplogroups they dont have the same genetics they dont even look the same even if you left and mutate like you said you would still have some traces of dna left like the native americans they left the asian tribes in siberia for thousands of years and you still can trace their dna back to asia NOT africans
wtfcowbbq 1 month ago
@wtfcowbbq A 10-year study published in 2009 analyzed the patterns of variation at 1,327 DNA markers of 121 African populations, 4 African American populations, and 60 non-African populations. The research showed that there is more human genetic diversity in Africa than anywhere else on Earth. Come again??
psychmaj323 1 month ago
@psychmaj323 lmao dumb afrocentric moron making up lies or using a fake unreliable resource which are probably made by afrocentrics like yourself never in my life have i heard that before just accept it only black people originated in africa NOBODY ELSE
wtfcowbbq 1 month ago
@wtfcowbbq it doesn't matter, civilization started in Africa and migration, mutation and adaptation took place, end of story. Africa is the continent with the most genetic diversity. And just because a bone was found in a certain area, does not necessarily mean that that is its place of origin.
psychmaj323 1 month ago
@psychmaj323 wow you are a retard using old theories that had been debunked and discarded civilization DID NOT start in africa if anything it started in the middle east aka west asia africa DOES NOT have the most genetic diversity you afrocentric moron south asians NE asians and SE asians including polynesians melanesians and micronesians DO NOT have african blood or ancestors their DNA DOES NOT trace back to africa
wtfcowbbq 1 month ago
@wtfcowbbq who says it's been debunked? Nothing I've come across has stated that the out of Africa theory is incorrect...YES Africans do have the most diverse genes. It's why you find tribes like the Kohisans.. The reason it doesn't trace genius is because genes mutate and change and you adapt... I hardly believe that a group of people who look exactly like the Sans people don't have an ancestral link... You have been brainwashed buddy...I suggest you take a look at Hidden Colors
psychmaj323 1 month ago
@psychmaj323 you are seriously retarded and everybody hates afrocentrics like you its been debunked google it... africans are not diverse at all there is only congoid and capoid black people nothing else the rest is caucasoid NOT black even if genes mutate which i dont believe that you would still have some traces of your original ancestors and no asian look like san people go tell that to an asian and he would laugh at you your a afrocentric dumbass
wtfcowbbq 1 month ago
Aw they didn't jump him, what a shame.
coldheartedkilla1995 1 month ago
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google: "out of africa" theory DEBUNKED
1987bugsy 2 months ago
can anyone name an ethnic group of black people in ghana, congo, ivory coast or gabon ,who are light skin. without any history of mixture with europeans or arabs.
thanks.
1987bugsy 2 months ago
Just because they were here 50,000 years ago and haven't changed one damn bit doesn't indicate they are better, purer, or should be looked upon with some sort of awe or respect.
It appears to me the branches that splintered off and were expelled from Africa due to their differences are why humans have advanced.
jrj9746 2 months ago
@jrj9746 nothing of the kind is being said by science (that they are purer, that category doesn't even exist in science).
On the other hand they have a wide variety of genes we don't, some of them are immune to diseases we are not. they are a reservoir of genetic diversity I wish we will not lose.
Also the other branches that LEFT africa not necesarily where expelled.
Also what does it mean to advance? to lead the race to self destruction or to live in harmony with the environment?
RobertoCha 2 months ago
@jrj9746 actually, people always think that b/c they reside in africa and maintain an old sense of tradition that they are genetically the same as people 50,000 year ago. They may be as different genetically from old africans as modern europeans from the first ones (cromags) Athough its not very different between cromagnons and today's europeans.
cavok84 2 months ago
@jrj9746 But... if humans continued to live like they did/do... the human race would probably continue to live on until the end of the earth... The way most of us are living now is eventually going to destroy us long before what our expiry date should be. Sure. perhaps we might develop technology to migrate to different planets, thus humans could possibly become so great that we will be around forever to evolve into different species but the chances arent that great :)
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Sugarhigh352 2 months ago
Everyone type in Non-African Neanderthal into youtube, seriously Sub-Saharans are a different species to the rest of the world.
philyB08 2 months ago
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@philyB08 then we wouldn't be able to mate with them, which we are, so you're wrong.
waksibra 2 months ago
San people look like Asia ！may be they are the direct ancester of asian people
mount922 2 months ago
@mount922 they are the ancestors of all the people
RobertoCha 2 months ago
@mount922
Yeah they do look Mongoloid, in fact many years ago people considered them a different race or subrace of Sub-Saharan Africans called CAPOIDS or Hottentots, look it up. It's very interesting, and yes they are naturally light skinned.
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
This is kind of a rant. But it's nice to see groups of people holding on to their traditions and culture. It's a shame to see globalization take its toll on various cultures around the world. I wish the European, Asian, and American cultures could hold on to it's tradition. But sadly, it's all faded away.
kittennotebooksuprem 2 months ago
Yeesh, the flammage is bad here. Anyways, fascinating video about a fascinating people and their language.
2206411411 3 months ago
It would be interesting to see how the Khoisan languages have influenced the development of the Xhosa-Zulu group of South Bantu languages. The Bantu seem to have adapted the simpler clicks into their language.
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy Aww - you blocked me, or what? Realizing you're wrong hurts you that bad? That quote/that picture you sent was totally pointless, and actually just proves exactly what I've been saying all along.
Trumblebee 3 months ago
@1987bugsy Africa has the most diversity, genetically, it doesn't make them any less Black. They are Africans, period. Somalians, Ethiopians and Eritreans all consider themselves Black/African.
psychmaj323 2 months ago
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CerebralMadness 2 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
Very good video. Thanks for sharing it with us!
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy You're very misinformed. The San do not have any European ancestry at all and it's silly that you think that they must have some sort of white ancestry just because of their light skin. Light skin is not exclusive to mulattoes or whites, there are plenty of pure indigenous Africans with light skin. Secondly, black people tend to have smaller eyes than say, Caucasians, and you can find indigenous Africans from all parts of the continent with 'Asian' looking eyes.
Trumblebee 3 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy The Cape Coloureds are the peoples of S. Africa with mixed race ancestry - the San have no mixed race ancestry whatsoever.
The variations in skin colour and tone amongst Somalis and Indians is due to their diversity! VERY few of them have any mixed race ancestry.
I've got news for you..being African myself I know plenty of Africans, some in my own family, who have very light skin and get this - they/we have NO mixed race ancestry whatsoever!
Trumblebee 3 months ago
@Trumblebee Oh and we are from those regions you say are only populated by dark skinned people. It's so ignorant for you to assume that we are mixed just because some of us don't fit the stereotypical image of a sub-Saharan African. Africans are a diverse people! We have diverse features that are not always the result of mixed-race ancestry.
Trumblebee 3 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy "like i said you think the way things are now is the way they have always been" - what do you mean by this? "the ones in the north west are light, because they are more mixed with arabs etc" - do you have any sources? It sounds like bs to me."you dont know everything that happened in history you cant say whos mixed and who isnt" - yes, you can. there are these things called genetic ancestry tests you know...genetic studies have been done on just about every group of people...
Trumblebee 3 months ago
@Trumblebee very very few people in west africa and sub-saharan africa as a whole have any mixed-race ancestry. i'd say most light-skinned sub-saharan africans have "pure" ancestry but just happen to have light skin. it's really annoying how non-blacks always assume that someone with non-stereotypical black features is mixed, that's not always the case trust me.
Trumblebee 3 months ago 3
@Trumblebee thank you, they really cannot comprehend this.
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy don't have anything to say in response, huh? LOL
Trumblebee 3 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy Okay, India was invaded by Mongols, so what? Parts of India were ruled by the Mongols at different points in history, that's all I got from that quote. Nothing about the Mongols breeding with local women to such an extent that a large section of the modern-day Indian population has Mongol ancestry.
In my country we were invaded by the Portugese, the Arabs and eventually the Europeans, yet very few of us have any Portugese, Arab, or Euro ancestry.
Trumblebee 3 months ago
@Trumblebee Again, I'm well aware that mixing between different ETHNIC GROUPS has taken place all around the world, I'm not denying that. Mixing between different races did not happen as often, for obvious reasons.
The ignorance being displayed here is only coming from you. You obviously haven't done much research on the topic you're blabbering on about apart from reading a few Wikipedia articles
Trumblebee 3 months ago
@1987bugsy Oh and one more thing, please don't put words into my mouth. I never said anything about Indians actually, the only thing I mentioned was that it's extremely ignorant for you to assume that people who do not fit the stereotypical image of a race or ethnic group look that way because they have foreign ancestry.
Why are you deleting your comments by the way?? Are you finally realizing that you don't know what you're talking about?
Trumblebee 3 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy Ha, really? I've ignored everything YOU'VE said? Now i know you've definitely run out of arguments, I've addressed every single thing you've said...name one thing that I haven't. I'm from Kenya.
Trumblebee 3 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy You're saying the same thing over and over and I already agreed with it, Europeans and most people around the world are mixed with a number of different ethnic groups. You really don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying. I've already acknowledged that there are groups of people in various parts of Africa with sub-Saharan mixed ancestry but they are a MINORITY, The vast majority of sub-Saharan Africans do not have mixed-race ancestry!
Trumblebee 3 months ago
@Trumblebee The results of various genetic studies on indigenous sub-Saharan African populations support that statement.
Trumblebee 3 months ago
@1987bugsy THIS is what I'm saying, I don't know why you've had such a hard time understanding this: Pretty much all sub-Saharan Africans are a mix of different African ethnic groups but very few groups in Africa have mixed race ancestry. Don't assume that those of us that don't fit the image you have in your head of what an African is supposed to look like look this way because we have mixed race ancestry. Sub-Saharan peoples are much more diverse than you seem to think.
Trumblebee 3 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy Do you have a learning disability? You definitely have some serious problems with reading comprehension. This is a direct quote from the third comment I ever sent to you: "It's so ignorant for you to assume that we are mixed just because some of us don't fit the stereotypical image of a sub-Saharan African."
I highly doubt you're an indigenous black African, if you were you wouldn't be as ignorant as you are regarding Africans, African history, or African diversity.
Trumblebee 3 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy That's exactly what I've been saying, I haven't been deleting my comments like you have been, you can go back and read every single comment I ever said to you. They're all right here.
Trumblebee 3 months ago
@Trumblebee "Again, I'm well aware that mixing between different ETHNIC GROUPS has taken place all around the world, I'm not denying that. Mixing between different races did not happen as often, for obvious reasons." - and this is a direct quote from one of my early replies. So what exactly do you mean by "this is not what you were saying"?
I've been saying all that ever since the conversation began! LOL
Trumblebee 3 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy Listen, a lot of people are curious about the San and a lot of genetic ancestry studies have been done on them. Look up the results and see if you can find anything about the San having any mixed race ancestry, good luck. Your mistake is thinking that all black people look the same, that we all have dark skin, nappy hair, big lips, and a wide nose and those of us that don't must have some Arab or Euro granddaddy hiding in the family tree. That's incredibly ignorant.
Trumblebee 3 months ago 16
@Trumblebee
It isn't ignorant.
Your physical characteristics are main identifiers of your race. It may be politically incorrect to just assume that all pure Africans have nappy hair and dark skin, but it is generally what they usually have.
pooptickler1337 2 months ago
@pooptickler1337 It is actually, there's a large population of sub-Saharan Africans who DON'T have those physical characteristics. And it's not just politically incorrect to just assume that all pure Africans have nappy hair and dark skin (btw since when is this politically incorrect? the vast majority of non-Africans believe this), it's just plain incorrect.
Trumblebee 2 months ago
@Trumblebee I have never heard of that population before, the population that don't look like average Africans.
I know all Africans don't have the same characteristics, that's why it is politically incorrect in the first place.
There are some Africans with lighter skin, and it would be incorrect (politically incorrect) to say that all Africans have dark skin; however, there is no ignorance is suggesting that Africans, in general(more of an average), have dark skin.
pooptickler1337 2 months ago
@pooptickler1337 Are you serious? The Khoisan, the very people in this video, are some of the many people who do not have those stereotypical African physical features ("kinky" hair, wide nose, dark skin). Horners are another, and there are people in many other African ethnic groups that also don't have those features.
It's plain ignorant and silly to stereotype an entire group of people, especially a group of people as diverse as Africans are.
Trumblebee 2 months ago
@Trumblebee
I don't know what video you are watching, but they look like the stereotypical black people to me.
I am not necessarily negatively stereotyping them; an average or median exists between all African tribes; generally speaking, Africans have those features; it is politically incorrect, because a small tribe or two might have different characteristics, but Africans usually do have those traits, and it isn't necessarily racist to point that fact out.
pooptickler1337 2 months ago
@pooptickler1337 ummm, they don't have the stereotypical sub-saharan african phenotype like say, akon or something. that's why silly people tend to assume that the khoisan are a mixed people, because they don't look like what most non-africans think africans look like...because they are light skinned and have the epicanthic fold.
a small tribe or two? the horners are one of many examples, and that's not even a tribe, that's an entire region of africa...cntd..
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Trumblebee 1 month ago
@Trumblebee anyway, this is just ridiculous. there's nothing to discuss. anybody in their right mind knows that it's ignorant to stereotype and generalize, and especially ignorant to stereotype and generalize MILLIONS of people.
Trumblebee 1 month ago
@Trumblebee
I don't understand what is wrong with assuming that it's an African people. Sometimes, I can tell the difference between an Englishman and a German, because I am English myself. It's not my fault that all African tribes, to me, look almost alike. I am not African, so I am not brought up to know the differences; I see them all as one race. An animal would also see all humans as one race also. There is nothing wrong with political incorrectness.
pooptickler1337 1 month ago
@pooptickler1337 this isn't about being politically correct so i don't know why you keep bringing up that term. it's simply ignorant to stereotype and generalize millions of people who are part of thousands of distinct ethnic groups, you can refute this all you want but it's a fact.
if to you all africans look the same, you probably hold this opinion because you have not met or seen many africans and you are ignorant of the diversity of africans.
Trumblebee 1 month ago
@Trumblebee
It is not ignorant to make stereotypes about people. We are given eyes to see, and we are given a brain to see patterns in what we see. Taxonomy itself is just a classification of generalized animals and people. Some people still debate whether or not Scots is a dialect of English or a separate language. My point is that such classifications may be a tad exclusive (especially for minority groups), but they are far from being necessarily ignorant.
pooptickler1337 1 month ago
@pooptickler1337 "It is not ignorant to make stereotypes about people." LOL ok, i'm wasting my time here. toodles xx
Trumblebee 1 month ago
@Trumblebee
Well I think you are only half right, you see I've done alot of research on Indigenous Africans and almost all of them have dark brown skin, with the exception of the San Bushmen, but the San Bushmen look physically different than other Africans, so the fact that they are light skinned doesnt surprise me, because they look Oriental/Mongoloid. But other non ethnic San who are light skinned probably have some European, Arab or Asian ancestry somewhere in their ancestry
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
@gatheringleaves perhaps that's the case for some light-skinned africans, but definitely not all. within my family for example, there are people so light-skinned that they are mistaken for mulattoes abroad but we can list our ancestors and their tribes for i don't know how many generations back and there are definitely no foreign ancestors. there are few africans with foreign ancestry so i don't think that explains it
Trumblebee 1 month ago
@Trumblebee
If you are a light skinned African then you definitely have white or arab ancestors. The vast majority of Sub Saharan Africans are dark brown skinned and very few have light skin, that's because it stems from European Arab or Asian ancestry. How do you know for sure there are no foreign ancestors, before European colonialism tribes did not keep written records so there's no way of knowing for sure
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
@gatheringleaves nope, my ancestors are all african. as i said, i can trace back my ancestors for generations, way back before the europeans stepped foot in our land. in my tribe you must learn the names, tribes and clans of your ancestors for about 14 generations and memorize them. so i do know for a fact that there are no whites or arabs in my family, my ancestors were all indigenous black africans.
Trumblebee 1 month ago
@Trumblebee
How light are your light skinned family members? Like give me an example of a person who shares their skin tone and I can tell you whether they are mixed are not. Also your ancestors are probably not all African because Africa is a very hot humid climate and would not allow very light skinned people to originate their indigenously, for instance everywhere in the world from the South Pacific, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Australia all the natives have brown skin
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
@gatheringleaves uh.....you cannot tell whether a person is mixed or not based on their skin colour!! there are people in my family with skin colours similar to that of akons and that of beyonces and everything in between. like i said before, i'm pretty damn sure we're not mixed with any foreign ancestry. not only have we researched our ancestry but i've never heard of anyone from my tribe with non-recent african ancestry, we historically did not interact much with foreigners
Trumblebee 1 month ago
@Trumblebee the indigenous people of all those areas you mentioned have varying skin tones, just like africans. some are lighter and some are darker, the ones with lighter skin don't always have such light skin because of foreign ancestry.
your skin cancer argument is completely irrelevant, these light skinned africans we are talking about are not WHITE, more of a light brown if you wanna get technical.
lying about what? why would i lie? misinformed about what? my family? lol no.
Trumblebee 1 month ago
@Trumblebee
Okay then tell me what tribe or tribes your family comes from so I can do research on them to see what skin colors and features they have If you're so sure that your 100 percent African!
And what part of Africa are you from?
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
@gatheringleaves what is this research that you do? google? that explains a lot.
anyway, i don't need you to tell me what i am, i already know. i'm east african and yup, 100% african baby!!
Trumblebee 1 month ago
@Trumblebee
If your a modern day East African then you most likely have European and especially Arab ancestry, the Arabs traveled up and down the East African coast for hundreds of years and possibly thousands, trading with the local Indigenous Africans, therefore your light skinned family members have Arab ancestry, well that's a relief it's finally explained
Aren't you glad!
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
@gatheringleaves You've explained nothing and have told me nothing I didn't already know. Yes, there is a small population of people, the "Swahili", who have Arab, Persian, Indian (though not all do) and even in some cases, Chinese ancestry. No European ancestry though. Anyway, I'm not a Swahili, my tribe is not from the coast but from much farther inland and so we did not directly trade with or interact with the foreigners or even with the Swahili.
Trumblebee 1 month ago
@Trumblebee I already know for a fact that my tribe did intermarry with people like the San but they're Africans as well so again, no foreign ancestry here.
I've done a lot of research on my tribe and I have even come across a few DNA studies all of which concluded that my tribe are indigenous Africans with no foreign ancestry. Sorry! I'm not mixed, our light skin has nothing to do with some Euro or Arab ancestors, just a product of African diversity :)
Trumblebee 1 month ago
@Trumblebee
Well what tribe are you then, tell me so I can look it up
This is big news to me, because everything I've seen and read so far has led me to believe that 100 percent Africans are dark skinned. And also, any African that doesnt have African features is in fact mixed
gatheringleaves 3 weeks ago
@gatheringleaves Well where exactly are you reading this? You need to get your hands on better material. Since you're so curious, I'm a Kikuyu
Trumblebee 3 weeks ago
@Trumblebee
Ah so your Kikuyu, very interesting. However your wrong about a few other things, while I agree with you that 100 percent Africans could have light skin and thin lips, I find it impossible to believe that there are full africans who dont have nappy hair or flat wide noses since those traits appear to be extremely common in all parts of Africa. West, Central, South, and East. So your only half right
gatheringleaves 1 week ago
@gatheringleaves Are you kidding me? You claim that you've spent a lot of time researching Africa/Africans so how come you're so ignorant on the subject? Look up Somalis, Afars, Oromos, Boranas,The majority of people in those tribes have thinner noses and looser curls. And they are Africans. And then there are a few people in other tribes that also do not have those features.
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@gatheringleaves Trust me I am third generation khoi san and our people are yellow, as opposed to the bantus who are dark. Two completely different genetic make-ups. The bantus found my ancestors when they arrived in southern Africa.
MsWildtiger 2 weeks ago
@MsWildtiger
Wow, so your a Khoi San huh, that's pretty cool. Also I have a question, are there some Khoi San who live in Cities and Towns instead of in tribes, or do all San live in tribes in the Kalahari?
gatheringleaves 1 week ago
@gatheringleaves I am mixed. There are those that live the original lifestyle in reserves in South Africa, Namibia and Botswana, and those in small town like my grandparents' town Douglas and scattered a bit all over. Some are streetwise in big towns. But most are, like me, mixed (it's called "coloured" in SA) and part of the mixed (brown) community and very modern. Khoi San is a very general term but there are lots of tribes.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@MsWildtiger The Khoisan and the Coloureds are two distinct groups
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@Trumblebee there are different coloureds, for example in the northern cape most descending from khoi san, in western cape it's mostly the malays, in gauteng, mostly black/white coloureds etc...we may all be mixed but it is definitely not the same mixtures. It's mixing up more now since apartheid has been dismantled and there is freedom of association, but the zones still exist to a very large extent.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@MsWildtiger yeah, i understand that not all coloureds have the exact same mix but they are considered to be one ethnic group. the khoisan are another ethnic group. in your previous comment, maybe you didn't mean to but you made it sound like the khoisan and the coloureds are the same/one ethnic group.
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@Trumblebee I said a lot of people with khoi san blood are coloureds. And they tend to have children with each other too as they don't move around a lot. They are considered to be one group because the coloureds were kept aside to keep others "pure", not because they are homogenous. when you look at coloureds who are yellow, they are very close still to the khoi san genes, my mom for example is highly identifiable.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee In any case lots of coloureds don't want to mix with very khoi san looking people because there is a social stigma. We are considered to be the least of people by the others, even many of the coloureds, who like to go for light skin and straight hair.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@MsWildtiger my gran looked like pure khoi san but got classified coloured so that she could marry my grandfather, who had a filipino grandmother and was subsequently classified coloured. If you had one other race in your family, you were coloured. So lots of coloureds look like khoi san, even entire towns' coloured communities. coloured is not our label, it was forced on us.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee this video should tell you that it's not always easy to draw the line between bushman and coloured. That's why we say we're bushies :) /watch?v=fFsxS3xk-BA
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@MsWildtiger i know there can be physical similarities, that's bound to happen since most coloureds do have some khoisan ancestry. there are many differences between the two groups though like for example, the khoisan and coloureds don't even speak the same language. or share the same culture.
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@Trumblebee Look, the language has been massacred by the apartheid system in favour of akrikaans and that is the case with even the reserve people. And same goes for the culture. Before understanding anything about the khoi san, you have to understand the terrible history. I know South Africa can be hard to grasp for anyone who has not lived under apartheid. My grandmother spoke 7 languages but the children don't learn these languages they get phased out with education. It is very painful.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee And as concerns the culture, I must also add that a lot gets passed down, you can't just say we have nothing of our people, I don't know why you assume that. Everything is not what it seems. I understand that you don't know, but please don't be so categoric. Just because people dress differently and live in towns does not mean they discard their roots.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee The main difference is lifestyle.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee Identity is not something you can just deny someone. Allow people to define who they are. Having lived under a system that attacked that, I am very sensitive to this.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee And I never said people are the same. I said khoi and san genes are prevalent in coloureds as opposed to the minorities that are dwindling in the reserves so I don't know where the contradiction comes in. I don't know where the confusion lies with what I have been saying.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@MsWildtiger you said something about how most khoisan are mixed, that's where i was confused. cuz they aren't, the coloureds are mixed; it sounded like you were grouping them together.
i'm sure the coloureds have retained some aspects of khoisan culture, as well as the cultures of all the other peoples they have mixed with but as a whole, coloured and khoisan culture are very different.
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@Trumblebee the xhosa have mixed heavily with the khoisan as well, but they are two separate groups.
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@Trumblebee It was a case of khoi san people being taken over by bantu people, so the khoi san have minority genes there yet are very present. You know, some people define a people by genes, others by culture, others by nationality. So, "who" people are is always debatable. In SA we have been conditioned to defining people under their genetic profile ("race"). Cultures have been highly mixed as you aptly pointed out so genes are easier. Culture is only what we make it, we stay our genes however.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@MsWildtiger "black african" mentality?? "yellow mentality?? care to explain this a little bit more cuz that just sounds silly to me. what's the difference between the two?
i'm definitely not saying the xhosa are bushmen, i was just pointing out that they are similar to the coloureds in that they also have significant khoisan ancestry. there are physical similarities between the xhosa and the bushmen because of that mixture just like between some coloureds and the bushmen..cnt'd..
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@Trumblebee and because of all the interaction between the xhosa and the bushmen, the xhosa even parts of khoisan language and culture into their own language and culture. that doesn't make them bushmen though, they are still two different ethnic groups. just like the coloureds and bushmen are two different ethnic groups.
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@Trumblebee but of course you are free to identify as anything you wish. i guess when you are of mixed heritage especially you are always struggling to find something that you can identify with
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@Trumblebee Don't worry it's no struggle! You have been rather patronising, I must say.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee I am giving up on you because there is nothing as arrogant as a foreigner who wants to define people he does not know. Try telling anyone in South Africa the people in the Northern Cape villages are not yellow & they will laugh at you. You don't understand that the people were segregated in such a way that precious few other genes penetrated the coloured communities of the villages. In any case they stick together like glue. I see you did not watch the link I sent you.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@MsWildtiger As I said in my previous comment, you are free to identify as whatever you want to. If you identify more with your Khoisan ancestry then that's great, you are free to do so. But what I've been saying all along is that the Khoisan and the Coloureds are two separate and distinct ethnic groups. They have different languages, different cultures, different way of lives.
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@Trumblebee I never said anything about Coloureds not being "yellow", yes, I did watch the video of the Coloured folk singer, and I've already acknowledged the physical similarities between the two groups.
Yes, this conversation is getting a bit tiring so let's just agree to disagree.
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@Trumblebee Of course it is tiring especially with your obnoxious behaviour. Glad it's over. Just remember one thing though, the coloureds are not "an ethnic group".
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@MsWildtiger haha, sure!
Trumblebee 1 week ago
@Trumblebee don't you know when to quit?
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@MsWildtiger - are you a Boer? You sound like a racist.
amylnitrateify 2 days ago
@amylnitrateify Gosh what is all this? Why don't you read my posts from the start, you might be more reasonable then. Don't jump to conclusions.
MsWildtiger 2 days ago
@amylnitrateify The person who asserts that coloured people are an ethnic group is the one you need to call a racist. There is no homogenous ethnicity in the coloureds. It is an artificially created community who never asked to be called "coloured". I will never deny what my grandparents passed onto me. I hold my nama ancestry very dear and no foreigner is going to take that away from me, and I don't deserve disrespect because people want to keep me in a coloured pidgeon hole. Yellow and proud.
MsWildtiger 2 days ago
@Trumblebee The point I raised about the Xhosa was to point out how different people self-identify. You can't compare the xhosas to the coloureds in places like Douglas, Campbell, Upington etc in that sense. That is why I brought up the point about mentality.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee don't worry nothing offensive, just cultural. Black african pride is something very powerful and beautiful, just different. Yellow people are very mellow and laid-back. A different outlook on life.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
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MsWildtiger 1 week ago
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@Trumblebee I have not, I repeat not, been saying people are identical. I have spoken about ancestral influence, which is stronger over just a few generations like in the coloured people I mentioned than in the Xhosas who have had 1500 years to develop away from that influence. Common sense.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee the xhosas have a very "black african" mentality and the coloureds who have strong khoi san blood have a very "yellow" mentality. I don't know how to explain it, yellow people have a certain way of looking at life that is very distinct, no matter the slant of their culture. You'd have to mix with the people to understand what I mean. You certainly can't tell them they are not yellow and you can't tell xhosas they are bushman, they think of themselves as black above all.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee How to explain to you how much I love my yellow people, I don't look like them, I don't live like them, I don't talk like them, but there is something so deep and so strong, that I can't define. When I went to Douglas (MUCH more khoi san), everyone greeted, hugged, kissed me, recognised me, without knowing me, all of a sudden I knew who I was and why I have the personality I have. More than all the time I spent in Kimberley with my coloured family, more mixed, but nothing like me.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee Xhosas don't feel that way. Their black culture is what makes them feel strong. I know, a very good friend (best friend since 6 years) is Xhosa. So how do you define things? You can only go on what you feel deep inside you and nobody else can tell you who you are.
MsWildtiger 1 week ago
@Trumblebee
If not Arab ancestry, then you most likely have Khoisan ancestry, due to the fact that the Khoisan people originally inhabited much of Southern Africa and the East African coast before being displaced by darker skinned tribes from Central and West Africa.
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
@Trumblebee
How the hell do you know how much your ancestors interacted with foreigners in the distant past! You weren't there, and you were not alive in Africa before Colonialism so you have no way of knowing for sure, sorry
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
@Trumblebee
So why the hell should Africa be any different, the San for instance are about as light as many Native Americans so their skin tone is understandable. And if you look up skin cancer rates among White Australians and Albino Africans you will see high rates, so please explain this to me. I think you're either lying or misinformed
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
@Trumblebee
What part of Africa are you from
gatheringleaves 1 month ago
@gatheringleaves Oriental/Asian=?
1969jmac 1 month ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@1987bugsy Of course mixing between different African ethnic groups took place, I literally can't think of a single African who has ancestry from just one ethnic group but I also can't think of a single African who has mixed race ancestry, that's what we were talking about. Check out genetic studies that have been done on various African populations, very very few of them have mixed race ancestry.
Trumblebee 3 months ago
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1987bugsy 3 months ago
@Trumblebee stfu with the asian eyes you faggot san people were here before asians were so ITS SAN PEOPLE EYES you dumbshit
wtfcowbbq 1 month ago
@wtfcowbbq What the hell is this in response to? By the way, just a tip, if you actually want to be taken seriously by anyone you should probably cut down on the unnecessary swearing and the petty insults.
Trumblebee 1 month ago
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So they came strait from Adam and Eve? Did Adam and Eve speak with clicks? He says that there is scientific proof that we came from them starting 50k years ago? I'm confused. Before therm were there neanderthals and these people are on the chain of evolution?
highmountaingee 3 months ago
So came strait from Adam and Eve? Did Adam and Eve speak with clicks? He says that there is scientific proof that we came from them starting 50k years ago? I'm confused. Before therm were there neanderthals and these people are on the chain of evolution?
highmountaingee 3 months ago
AFRICA!!!
ZeroCountdown1 3 months ago
Ugh so awwwwwkward.
MsParismomo 3 months ago
search bolder gazet van antwerpen
vergiber 3 months ago
listen here (the smart missile of its day) man... our ancestors knew that the only thing that will guarantee our survival is BALANCE... sadly our balance is currently off mark... however its not the whole world that is off... sadly its the few which is fucking it up for all of us. My name is four winds from the Ngati Rangi Nui tribe of Aotearoa New Zealand and we have maintained a balance with our mother earth for eons... when is it that you people are going to finally learn?
DIJITALSON 4 months ago
@DIJITALSON The Planet is way over populated by the Homosapien who learned to use of the Fossil fuel and Farming,Technology and the most Catastrophic thing ever:Profit and Money so it will never be as it was when we Humans all we worked and Hunted for what we needed to survive.It's very sad but it's the fact God Bless U and your Tribe Peace
jozsefkacsa 3 months ago
Seems to me like that click language would be very prohibitive to developing a form of writing.
TheXand19 4 months ago
@TheXand19 nah, there would just be a character for the click. simple!
jnkbortka 3 months ago
@jnkbortka There would have to be quite a few if the click was so integral to their language :P
TheXand19 3 months ago
@TheXand19 To writing as we know it, yes, but there's no reason to think they couldn't develop their own "alphabet" or writing system.
LinguistAja 3 months ago
"I arrived not a moment too soon." He makes it sound like they're about to be wiped out by a meteor. He's so dramatic! Cool language though.
middleC17 4 months ago
so the under tone of evolution is blacks are the least evolved?RACIEST!!!!!!! I WHITES CAME FROM BLACKS WHY HAVENT BLACKS IN THE NORTH USA CITIES BECAME LIGHTER?
abayarde5 4 months ago
@abayarde5 Because they haven't been given thousands of years. :) In time, they may, but they'll never look like white people.
weeblefishII 4 months ago