This is the fascist aspect of the operation you are seeing. The hatred is so ingrained that any criticism or truthful look at the followers of the religion of peace is met with whatever tools are available, evil, vile or proper discourse. Publish a cartoon of Mighty Mo' and people riot, nuns are murdered, all in response to the voicing of the truth about the way islam is spread and HAS been since its creation.
Wow, so many of my comments marked as spam ... I musta hurt someones feelings with all my sincere efforts at education. Well I sure doubt it was my sparing partner. It would have had to be some coward.
"Imgonnafuckyouupspee" you are a typical mohammadan always pointing your racist finger at the Jooos. I guess you want to make sure you carry out the genocide against the Jews mandated by your pedophile mas murderer "prophet" and contained in the koran and ahadeeth
Pretty hard to fake the footage of the phony victim from the Jenin "massacre."
But you go right on believing that Jews are the root of all evil. You're simply enabling and encouraging the Palestinians to continue killing each other in Gaza and lose any hope for their future.
Brilliantly made and very thought provoking film. In Northern Ireland we suffer too from 'sound-byte' journalism and distorted reporting that has been tainted by a mixture of liberalism and laziness. Research the news, and don't be a blind consumer!
Calton Media works to dispel the lies and propaganda of violent Irish nationalists.
Firing into an empty room and selling it as footage depicting a conflict and dead men rising from the dead to get back on strechers is self explanatory.
Iam from Holland and i have a Palestinian neighbour.He told me, that this is true.And they use money, we send for aid and help.Dont send them money, the Palistanians use it for war.
I would like to recommend the Middle East media Research Institute (MEMRI)as a great source for Arab media, and translations into english, of various transcripts. Some Arabs are beggining to speak honestly about the culture of Jihad, and the true history of Islam, and you can learn a lot. Just google it.
A large portion of what you see on this vid, is supported by other sources that can be found with a little effort. Anyone who wants to develop an informed opinion should check both sides of the arguement, and treat all parties as potential liars. Don't just believe what your told, and don't trust edited footage either. If your a YouTuber you already know that video can lie. Do the work!
people scury around like that in lots of situations, and these guys were not under fire. Notice the shooting into the empty room? Well they also fire into the air to produce 'gunfire'. In unedited footage, their are palestinian military firing on the police station from cover. They DO recieve suppressing fire, but the punks throwing molotovs are left alone. I've seen vid where pali's cut their own scalps to get some blood running. There is a ton of stuff, if you do the research.
Also you notice (it's obvious) that there is a ton of stage direction going on, and people only seem to be worried when it's their turn to fake being hit. Visit 'The 2nd draft' for more unedited video from this day. Browse and ye shall find.
I don't know which 2nd draft you're referring to but there are 4 clips uploaded on youtube with slight variations. And not one of them shows any explicit proof of "staging". The mob might be disorganized, chaotic, but that's what happens in a WARZONE. Anyway, staging or not, the fact are there, the Israeli Army is guilty of GROSS human rights violations and war crimes.
France2, AP, and Rueters had palestinian stringers filming, using provided equipment. Put "The 2nd draft" into a search engine. Put "Charles Enderlin" into a search engine. The death toll from above may be 'zero'. Palestinians use their children for propaganda, and for terror. Its proven.
First-off, the Enderlin report still HAS NOT been proven to be false. And even if it is, are you suggesting that the 800+ Palestinian children killed since 2000 have nothing to do with the Israeli Army's actions, knowing that they Israeli Army uses tanks and jet bombers on residential areas and fires at adolescent demonstators throwing rocks.
Actually, the footage available proves Enderlin was misleading. Get as much on this subject as you can, and pretend your a detective. Really. As for the other casualties you talk about, we know the pali's lie when they can get away with. I don't have the space here to show all of it. First off, the pali's use children (11-17 year olds) to kill. They give them suicide belts, and even pick targets for them. I have a lot more ...
Also, have you ever studied the history of the 'sling' in military useage? Lots of Pali 'children' (11-17) use slings to 'throw' rocks. A sling uch as the ones they use, can crush a human skull, inside a metal helmet. They are in fact, deadly. You don't hear about this because of the way we get our news. I have seen Israeli's injured by this method. That's not 'demonstrating'.
Are you serious? Are you actually suggesting that slings are dangerous to soldiers in full body armor, often in armored vehicles? And that the MURDER of CHILDREN with slings by the world's FOURTH MOST POWERFUL ARMY is self-defence. That's utterly absurd.
You are mischaracterizing the facts on the ground. Israeli police and military do not all go around all the time in full body armor. Even so, yes, a military sling can cause deadly blunt trauma through level 2 protection. They are not re-enacting Stalingrad here. They are trying to maintian stabilty in a region where the children are in fact, being raised to kill Jews, and become 'Shaheed'. Please. Where do you get your facts from?
But again, to stick to "the facts on the ground" beyond the theoretical power of "MILITARY slings", I repeat my question: Do you consider the killing of CHILDREN with slings (although most throw stones by hand) by the world's FOURTH MOST POWERFUL ARMY is self-defence? Especially when those Israeli soldiers are in Internationally recognized Palestinian lands?
You may as well ask if it is justified for a Los Angelos policeman to shoot back when attacked by a teenage gang member, seeing as how the US is a nuclear power. I see it as the same arguement. Except you don't have the same reading of history as I do, because we see land issue as entirely different. To be brutally honest, if its one vs another, and either one has the capacity to kill, the one being attacked can go as far as necessary to stop the threat. I have more.
Well, first off, as I said, it's not a policeman walking his ghetto beat, it's the Israeli Army (with tanks and air support) deployed in what are Internationally recognized Palestinian lands and facing children.
Israeli's get killed just doing daily things. A woman killed driving down the road by random palestian gunmen doesn't get covered much. Especially because AP, Rueters, and France2 all use Palistinians as their content providers. It's biased reporting. Tanks and planes are costly, and only used against hard targets like entrenched gunmen, etc. Did you look where I suggested?
Second, according to the logic you use to defend the Israeli Army, the Palestinians would be completely justified in killing every single immigrant into Israel who came into Paletine, or, at the very least, every single Israeli settler in Gaza and the West Bank.
When all of this modern conflict started, the Jews in the region were suplemented by immigrants from Europe, including Russia. The land wasn't heavily populated, or developed. The Jewish imigrants paid for land they moved into, and developed it, making it more valueable. Arab's also began to immigrate from surrounding areas, because there was now a reason.
The 1922 British census immediatly following the establishment of the British mandate indicates that among the inhabitants, approximately 80000 were Jewish (Arabs and immigrants), 70000 were Christian (Arabs) and 580000 were muslims (Arabs). Further, although SOME lands were bought by the immigrants (pre-1948), the lands of Palestinian refugees were confiscated by the state of Israel (under the "law of absentees"). This is also the de-facto case of settlements in Palestinian lands.
That census was a larger area than the region directly affected by Jews. Also the Arabs who left, did so to enable the Arab legue to kill Jews, without arabs getting hurt. Everyone forgets the rights of Jews in the region, like their right to self preservation. They are portrayed as thugs in tanks. In 1948 they told they would be killed, and ever since WW2 they have taken such threats seriously. 'Palestinian lands' shows bias. Palestine was no more a state, than the county I live in.
You are approaching these questions using assertions which I do not see as supported from the point of view my own research has given me. You repeat claims made by Israel's detractors, which are emotionally charged, and which to my perception, are out of context to the facts as they occured. No offense intended. I get this from my sister as well. I recommend reading the UN sources from the 1940's to see how Israel came to be what it is. You should be surprised.
First-off, my comments are not emotionally charged. Second, I'll ask you to address the specific assertions you see as problematic and we'll discuss it.
I'm not saying YOUR emotionally charged, but the terms your using are exactly what the 'palestinians' want people to use. It's specific wording that distorts the truth, not saying that you mean to, but I see this a lot. Again, no offense. We may need to go where there are longer comments allowed.
BTW, I see your in Ireland. I have a little blood from there. I like to brag about it, just because. If only for the common bond, I ask we keep this polite, as we seem to have managed so far. But now I'm extra curious also.
I don't need to be a blood relative to keep things civil. But first to address the recurrent "Jew-Hating Heaven-Seekers" angle. These people have been robbed of their land, suffer daily human rights violations, lose relatives and homes by the week... All by the actions of a STATE that not only declares itself EXCLUSIVELY Jewish but also invokes a religious pretext for the disownment of the Palestinians.
Again, (no offense) these are repeating anti-Israel poltical bias, which has become routine in the media. If you check out how the 'palestinians' ended up becoming 'refugees' you might have a different view. The original goal of the Arab League was to get the other Arabs out of the way, then drive the 'Jews' into the sea or kill them. It's pretty straight forward. I read the Quran, and the Hadith, to understand Muslims. Israel may be a 'Jewish homeland' but it is also a pluralist, secular state.
When an armed faction designating itself as "Jewish" has the specific goal of creating an exclusively Jewish state, it's not a racial/ethnic statement to say "we're going to fight the Jews", but a political/military one. This is the case of the "Jews to the sea" argument. The Arab Califat and Ottoman empire, both THEOCRATIC (more or less) Muslim States, treated Jews as equal citizens for more than a millenium. There is no intrinsic Arab or Muslim anti-semitism.
Well actually yes there is. Go research the word "Dhimmi". Also "Taqiyya". And Surah 9:29 is as good a place to start as any if you wish to check the Quran itself in more detail. Did you know Muslims regard Spain, as Muslim land to eventually be reconquered? This isn't just Al Qaeda's position, but a position held world wide by many Muslim 'moderates'.
In the Arab Califat, all Muslim citizens were required, BY LAW, to pay the 2.5% "zakat" ams tax, which is one of the religious duties of Muslims. Since this tax wouldn't be forced upon the non-Muslim citizens of the Califat, it was replaced by the "dhimma" poll tax, hence "dhimmi". If anything, this is a testimony to the respect of Christians and Jews in the Califat...
Not really. The Dhimmi are to show they are in submission, and accept humiliating burdens on their freedoms, and behavior, with taxes varying according to the whim of the local Muslim rulers. The laws that comprise Dhimmi status are enforced in many places, on non-Muslims tody. For example, a Christian woman killed for handing out christian materials in a mixed community. We are suppossed to believe it is an honor, but it is oppression. Find 'taqiyya'.
I hope this is of interest. Even Muslims can admit the Dhimmi status was a form of persecution. Go here w w w . memritv . org / Transcript . asp?P1=793 to see one such transcipt. Browse around and see even more. It's the best place to see Muslim media.
SOME incidents of violence against Jews existed, but those were mob flare-ups which sadly degenerated into violence against minorities, as happened in all Ancient and Medieval states. In modern times measures against Jews in Arab states are the REGRETTABLE, but direct result of the events surrounding the creation of the state of Israel, such as Jewish terrorist bombings in Egypt.
Actually the raiding and violence that necessitated walled Jewish farms, was common in the early 20th century. You might abandon me here, but I recommend you get sources from both pro, and con Israel sources. If you need some 'pro' sources try Jihadwatch, and Dhimmiwatch. As for con, just check out CAIR, and MAS to start with. Try and pretend its all new to you. Friendly suggestion. :)
Further, the Palestinian refugees, for whatever "primordial" reason they "left" their lands, were "helped along their way" by the massacres committed by Jewish armed gangs which later formed the Israeli Army. The mere fact that these refugees (whose very definition is people displaced because of armed conflict) are not allowed to return, while ANY person of Jewish descent in the world can apply for Israeli citizenship, speaks volumes about Israeli multi-culturalism.
There are huge numbers of ethnic Arabs in Israel, easily verified by a number of modern sources. More Jews were expelled from Arab league states than there are Arabs encouraged (by the Arab league, BTW) to leave Israel. You don't seem to know about Arab massacres of Jews in that region prior to WW2, but they were horrific. I'm not jewish, and I could apply for Israeli citizenship. Enderlin is an Israeli citizen (dual) so I think they re prety multicultural.
When you are attacking a rocket launch site, or other heavily defended targets, you use heavy equipment, meaning, airpower, and armored vehicles. Israel doesn't have the population to trade one for one in a war of attrition either. And the Arab nationalists want them all dead, or gone. It's true.
First-off, it's NOT true that Arab nationalists "want them all dead". The goal of most "extremist" secular Palestinian organizations was the dismantlement of the state of Israel and the establishment of a secular state for Jews, Christians and Muslims to inhabit as equals. This is even recognized by the Israeli left.
Leading to a point, did you have a side you favored in the troubles in Northern Ireland? That was started over religious differences as well, at least thats what the media say. I read once that gunmen burst into a church spraying machineguns during services. Is my info distorted?
I also was told that the IRA were nothing but thugs, but I know that guns were sent to them from my country suppossedly to resist oppression. I'm sure both sides have a tale to tell. Which do you favor? For the record, I am sorry any of it happened at all, and I'm not trying to be mean.
I have found serious flaws in HRW reporting. they don't impress me. Further, if you know anything about the rifles used by both sides, you would know the injuries are faked. 5.56mm nato, and 7.62 soviet ammo cause bloody spray. If you don't know the difference between a 'temporary cavity' and a 'permanent' one I suggest you go do some reearch.
So what are you suggesting? That the bodies of Palestinian chilren have been doctored to look like they have been shot? The death tolls are normally counted mere hours after an Israeli incursion into a Palestinian town, so they're pretty accurate.
Did you notice the portion of this vid showing the lying at the hospital? Encouraged by the reporter, a couple lie about when and how their baby was deliverd. Another 'Doctor' lies about tanks having shot his hospital. The small blemishes in the walls are not 'tank' shots. Who knows what they are? He lied though. I am only getting started.
If the guys who reported the deaths, are the same as the guys shown faking stuff in this video, then your not getting accurate information. Further, Israeli policy is to apologize for whatever they were accused of, before the investigate. They need to stop doing that, because most accusations against them are lies.
Keep some accurate records. In the last 6 years, Palestinian terrorists have made it a policy to hide behind their own people while launching attacks on Israeli civilians. Israel repeatedly puts its own soldiers in danger to minimize the risk to the "human shields" used by Palestinian terrorists. Moreover, your figure includes lots of Palestinians murdered by their own people for "collaboration."
Jews lived in Israel for over 2,000 years... islam is a mere 1,400... hmmmm who is occupying whom? Dont muslims think out their religion at all? They say they worship the same GOD of creation, Abraham etc. If so, why arent they afraid of the results of killing those who "their God" says are His chosen people? 1+1= Satan atan atan
Actually Israel has a four thousand year history in the ME going all the way back to Abraham to whom God gave the promises and to his descendants through the line of Issac.
Does is also say that if the infidel isn't stupid enough to believe the lame lies than the muslim should think of something better or stop lying to him, expecting him to believe it? If not then Koran is a stupid book indeed.
What do you expect from people who feel commanded by Allah to lie, cheat and kill all infidels.
Thanks for posting this video. Especially after the hysterics over what happened, or didn't at Qana, people need to be asking questions about the propaganda coming from the Islam-Nazis.
This was very informative and it confirms everything I had ever suspected about the news coming from that region. I do not what is more pathetic, the fact of them doing this to attempt to justify themselves or the fact that moron reporters and journalists around the world swallow this film. This is exactly the reason why I stopped trusting the mainstream news 10 years ago...
It was already exposed that Pollywood is FAKE. The makers of Paollywood are Jews trying to cover up what's really happening in there. They showed you some " OUT OF CONTEXT FOOTAGE " Not the full videos where people actually die.
Wake Up. This is the biggest Zionist Scam.
Hundreds of Palestinians including children are killed every month. Don't support Israel's War Crimes.
Sir, where on earth did this ranting come from over "Just interesting lol"? I mean, it's been a year??? ha. OH and btw what makes you assume that the Palestinians are innocent as well? Go ahead and reply back ..if you want, just keep in mind that there's no replying back from me; especially from your bogus, "irrational" comment. Ciao'
oh yeh right this beats 9/11 movie! lol.. 90% of movie directors are JEWISH LOL... USA GOVERNMENT MUST OF HIRED A JEWISH MOVIE DIRECTOR FOR 9/11! stopp going on like this a big deal. OH MY GOD, HE FAKED HIM GTTING SHOT!!!!! WOOOOOWWW!!!
lol let me guess! a jew made this video lol! u tax collecting jew pigs!!! its all fake yeh?? its all a game yeh??!! fucking idiots! go to the link below. tell me if thats fakee! and WHAT THE FUCK is Ghostwolf chattin about?? palistinians like people feeling sorry for them selvs??? LOL LOL... REMINDER OF THE HOLOCAUST! U BITCHES STILL CRYING OVER IT LOl SOOO SHUT THE FUCK UP
Hmmm an anti American nazi... I wish youtube could post your words as a banner up front. At least most of your type at least try to pretend they arent nazi scum bags. The menace is rising again... ETERNAL VIGILANCE people! Dont pass this guy off as some nut job fringe element, MOST of the anti american world thinks this way also. NEVER AGAIN!
Muslims are permitted to lie to infidels by Quran, and they actually do this without a bit of remorse.
laplaceua 1 year ago 4
A Video everyone should see. The media caught sweet selling islam.
pforce123 1 year ago 7
yessss!!!!!!!
newspapers and media is all true
omg !! Muslims are so fucked !! what can we do ????
Mosawakening 2 years ago 2
Even in civilized countries muslims become terrorists, Fuking head sawing, clitoris slicing, acid throwing, honor killing, donkey humping, 8 year old child marrying, infidel killing, airplane crashing, cave dwelling, wife beating, daughter murdering, cartoon protesting, ethinc cleansing, suicide bombing fucking tards! Go IDF...go USA...go coalition forces!
USAworldpower1 2 years ago 12
A bit graphic but true!!!
boobi55 2 years ago
Thanks for exposing the lies.
LadyGreenEyes964 3 years ago 23
Thank you so much for making that film.
There are too many of the Robert Greenwald / Brave New Films LIE films out there. It makes me sick.
NoGuff 3 years ago 16
Hilarious in one way.
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
Arabs are very honest, decent people, ha ha :\
radiolevtov 3 years ago 9
another freaking great video. well done. the worlds a stage.
spiggitybap 4 years ago 21
BY BY isalm youtube ,,,is going to destroy faKE ISALM there is Nothing muslims can D0 but watcH
mohammed is satans messenger
Bukhari:V4B52N260 "The Prophet said, 'If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive."
gaymuslimshitsniffer 4 years ago 12
This is the fascist aspect of the operation you are seeing. The hatred is so ingrained that any criticism or truthful look at the followers of the religion of peace is met with whatever tools are available, evil, vile or proper discourse. Publish a cartoon of Mighty Mo' and people riot, nuns are murdered, all in response to the voicing of the truth about the way islam is spread and HAS been since its creation.
CoLoRoLoC 4 years ago 9
Wow, so many of my comments marked as spam ... I musta hurt someones feelings with all my sincere efforts at education. Well I sure doubt it was my sparing partner. It would have had to be some coward.
:)
88Mikemike 4 years ago 4
they must not have liked their allah getting his ass kicked, good job BTW.
Dreadmore 4 years ago
Nobody can dispute the unedited footage when they see it. This just gives you a 'heads up' so you know what to expect. Check out the 2nd Draft.
88Mikemike 4 years ago 5
Hundreds of Palestinians including children are killed every month", and most of them by fellow Muslims; not 'Zionist'.
The same in Iraq, most of the Muslims being killed in the World are being killed by other Muslims.
Some 'religion of peace' you have.
Keysmusic 4 years ago 2
Relax Rashid,this is why Pollywood is real.
Keysmusic 4 years ago 2
thats crazy, hopefully that will get straightened out soon.
Dreadmore 4 years ago
"Imgonnafuckyouupspee" you are a typical mohammadan always pointing your racist finger at the Jooos. I guess you want to make sure you carry out the genocide against the Jews mandated by your pedophile mas murderer "prophet" and contained in the koran and ahadeeth
Dreadmore 4 years ago
lol, they faked them faking the corpse?
wytkracka 4 years ago
It has already been exposed that imgonnafuckuupspee is FAKE. Look, Pelosi, we are so on to you.
skye820 4 years ago
lolz@pelosi's droopy parts
wytkracka 4 years ago
even if you post this comment a 100 times, its not going to change anything.
this video sepaks by itself
NimDod 4 years ago 2
Pretty hard to fake the footage of the phony victim from the Jenin "massacre."
But you go right on believing that Jews are the root of all evil. You're simply enabling and encouraging the Palestinians to continue killing each other in Gaza and lose any hope for their future.
Sad.
hiltonhead 4 years ago
iran is the head of this snake
leshemaneya 4 years ago 4
This snake has many heads like one of those creatures in greek mythology.
BenGruenberg 4 years ago
Brilliantly made and very thought provoking film. In Northern Ireland we suffer too from 'sound-byte' journalism and distorted reporting that has been tainted by a mixture of liberalism and laziness. Research the news, and don't be a blind consumer!
Calton Media works to dispel the lies and propaganda of violent Irish nationalists.
caltonmedia 4 years ago
Firing into an empty room and selling it as footage depicting a conflict and dead men rising from the dead to get back on strechers is self explanatory.
republik06 4 years ago 2
Iam from Holland and i have a Palestinian neighbour.He told me, that this is true.And they use money, we send for aid and help.Dont send them money, the Palistanians use it for war.
Keysmusic 5 years ago
I would like to recommend the Middle East media Research Institute (MEMRI)as a great source for Arab media, and translations into english, of various transcripts. Some Arabs are beggining to speak honestly about the culture of Jihad, and the true history of Islam, and you can learn a lot. Just google it.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
A large portion of what you see on this vid, is supported by other sources that can be found with a little effort. Anyone who wants to develop an informed opinion should check both sides of the arguement, and treat all parties as potential liars. Don't just believe what your told, and don't trust edited footage either. If your a YouTuber you already know that video can lie. Do the work!
88Mikemike 5 years ago
people scury around like that in lots of situations, and these guys were not under fire. Notice the shooting into the empty room? Well they also fire into the air to produce 'gunfire'. In unedited footage, their are palestinian military firing on the police station from cover. They DO recieve suppressing fire, but the punks throwing molotovs are left alone. I've seen vid where pali's cut their own scalps to get some blood running. There is a ton of stuff, if you do the research.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
Also you notice (it's obvious) that there is a ton of stage direction going on, and people only seem to be worried when it's their turn to fake being hit. Visit 'The 2nd draft' for more unedited video from this day. Browse and ye shall find.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
I don't know which 2nd draft you're referring to but there are 4 clips uploaded on youtube with slight variations. And not one of them shows any explicit proof of "staging". The mob might be disorganized, chaotic, but that's what happens in a WARZONE. Anyway, staging or not, the fact are there, the Israeli Army is guilty of GROSS human rights violations and war crimes.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
France2, AP, and Rueters had palestinian stringers filming, using provided equipment. Put "The 2nd draft" into a search engine. Put "Charles Enderlin" into a search engine. The death toll from above may be 'zero'. Palestinians use their children for propaganda, and for terror. Its proven.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
First-off, the Enderlin report still HAS NOT been proven to be false. And even if it is, are you suggesting that the 800+ Palestinian children killed since 2000 have nothing to do with the Israeli Army's actions, knowing that they Israeli Army uses tanks and jet bombers on residential areas and fires at adolescent demonstators throwing rocks.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
Actually, the footage available proves Enderlin was misleading. Get as much on this subject as you can, and pretend your a detective. Really. As for the other casualties you talk about, we know the pali's lie when they can get away with. I don't have the space here to show all of it. First off, the pali's use children (11-17 year olds) to kill. They give them suicide belts, and even pick targets for them. I have a lot more ...
88Mikemike 5 years ago
Also, have you ever studied the history of the 'sling' in military useage? Lots of Pali 'children' (11-17) use slings to 'throw' rocks. A sling uch as the ones they use, can crush a human skull, inside a metal helmet. They are in fact, deadly. You don't hear about this because of the way we get our news. I have seen Israeli's injured by this method. That's not 'demonstrating'.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
Are you serious? Are you actually suggesting that slings are dangerous to soldiers in full body armor, often in armored vehicles? And that the MURDER of CHILDREN with slings by the world's FOURTH MOST POWERFUL ARMY is self-defence. That's utterly absurd.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
You are mischaracterizing the facts on the ground. Israeli police and military do not all go around all the time in full body armor. Even so, yes, a military sling can cause deadly blunt trauma through level 2 protection. They are not re-enacting Stalingrad here. They are trying to maintian stabilty in a region where the children are in fact, being raised to kill Jews, and become 'Shaheed'. Please. Where do you get your facts from?
88Mikemike 5 years ago
But again, to stick to "the facts on the ground" beyond the theoretical power of "MILITARY slings", I repeat my question: Do you consider the killing of CHILDREN with slings (although most throw stones by hand) by the world's FOURTH MOST POWERFUL ARMY is self-defence? Especially when those Israeli soldiers are in Internationally recognized Palestinian lands?
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
You may as well ask if it is justified for a Los Angelos policeman to shoot back when attacked by a teenage gang member, seeing as how the US is a nuclear power. I see it as the same arguement. Except you don't have the same reading of history as I do, because we see land issue as entirely different. To be brutally honest, if its one vs another, and either one has the capacity to kill, the one being attacked can go as far as necessary to stop the threat. I have more.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
Well, first off, as I said, it's not a policeman walking his ghetto beat, it's the Israeli Army (with tanks and air support) deployed in what are Internationally recognized Palestinian lands and facing children.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
Israeli's get killed just doing daily things. A woman killed driving down the road by random palestian gunmen doesn't get covered much. Especially because AP, Rueters, and France2 all use Palistinians as their content providers. It's biased reporting. Tanks and planes are costly, and only used against hard targets like entrenched gunmen, etc. Did you look where I suggested?
88Mikemike 5 years ago 2
Second, according to the logic you use to defend the Israeli Army, the Palestinians would be completely justified in killing every single immigrant into Israel who came into Paletine, or, at the very least, every single Israeli settler in Gaza and the West Bank.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
When all of this modern conflict started, the Jews in the region were suplemented by immigrants from Europe, including Russia. The land wasn't heavily populated, or developed. The Jewish imigrants paid for land they moved into, and developed it, making it more valueable. Arab's also began to immigrate from surrounding areas, because there was now a reason.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
The 1922 British census immediatly following the establishment of the British mandate indicates that among the inhabitants, approximately 80000 were Jewish (Arabs and immigrants), 70000 were Christian (Arabs) and 580000 were muslims (Arabs). Further, although SOME lands were bought by the immigrants (pre-1948), the lands of Palestinian refugees were confiscated by the state of Israel (under the "law of absentees"). This is also the de-facto case of settlements in Palestinian lands.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
That census was a larger area than the region directly affected by Jews. Also the Arabs who left, did so to enable the Arab legue to kill Jews, without arabs getting hurt. Everyone forgets the rights of Jews in the region, like their right to self preservation. They are portrayed as thugs in tanks. In 1948 they told they would be killed, and ever since WW2 they have taken such threats seriously. 'Palestinian lands' shows bias. Palestine was no more a state, than the county I live in.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
You are approaching these questions using assertions which I do not see as supported from the point of view my own research has given me. You repeat claims made by Israel's detractors, which are emotionally charged, and which to my perception, are out of context to the facts as they occured. No offense intended. I get this from my sister as well. I recommend reading the UN sources from the 1940's to see how Israel came to be what it is. You should be surprised.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
First-off, my comments are not emotionally charged. Second, I'll ask you to address the specific assertions you see as problematic and we'll discuss it.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
I'm not saying YOUR emotionally charged, but the terms your using are exactly what the 'palestinians' want people to use. It's specific wording that distorts the truth, not saying that you mean to, but I see this a lot. Again, no offense. We may need to go where there are longer comments allowed.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
BTW, I see your in Ireland. I have a little blood from there. I like to brag about it, just because. If only for the common bond, I ask we keep this polite, as we seem to have managed so far. But now I'm extra curious also.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
I don't need to be a blood relative to keep things civil. But first to address the recurrent "Jew-Hating Heaven-Seekers" angle. These people have been robbed of their land, suffer daily human rights violations, lose relatives and homes by the week... All by the actions of a STATE that not only declares itself EXCLUSIVELY Jewish but also invokes a religious pretext for the disownment of the Palestinians.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
Again, (no offense) these are repeating anti-Israel poltical bias, which has become routine in the media. If you check out how the 'palestinians' ended up becoming 'refugees' you might have a different view. The original goal of the Arab League was to get the other Arabs out of the way, then drive the 'Jews' into the sea or kill them. It's pretty straight forward. I read the Quran, and the Hadith, to understand Muslims. Israel may be a 'Jewish homeland' but it is also a pluralist, secular state.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
When an armed faction designating itself as "Jewish" has the specific goal of creating an exclusively Jewish state, it's not a racial/ethnic statement to say "we're going to fight the Jews", but a political/military one. This is the case of the "Jews to the sea" argument. The Arab Califat and Ottoman empire, both THEOCRATIC (more or less) Muslim States, treated Jews as equal citizens for more than a millenium. There is no intrinsic Arab or Muslim anti-semitism.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
Well actually yes there is. Go research the word "Dhimmi". Also "Taqiyya". And Surah 9:29 is as good a place to start as any if you wish to check the Quran itself in more detail. Did you know Muslims regard Spain, as Muslim land to eventually be reconquered? This isn't just Al Qaeda's position, but a position held world wide by many Muslim 'moderates'.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
In the Arab Califat, all Muslim citizens were required, BY LAW, to pay the 2.5% "zakat" ams tax, which is one of the religious duties of Muslims. Since this tax wouldn't be forced upon the non-Muslim citizens of the Califat, it was replaced by the "dhimma" poll tax, hence "dhimmi". If anything, this is a testimony to the respect of Christians and Jews in the Califat...
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
Not really. The Dhimmi are to show they are in submission, and accept humiliating burdens on their freedoms, and behavior, with taxes varying according to the whim of the local Muslim rulers. The laws that comprise Dhimmi status are enforced in many places, on non-Muslims tody. For example, a Christian woman killed for handing out christian materials in a mixed community. We are suppossed to believe it is an honor, but it is oppression. Find 'taqiyya'.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
I hope this is of interest. Even Muslims can admit the Dhimmi status was a form of persecution. Go here w w w . memritv . org / Transcript . asp?P1=793 to see one such transcipt. Browse around and see even more. It's the best place to see Muslim media.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
SOME incidents of violence against Jews existed, but those were mob flare-ups which sadly degenerated into violence against minorities, as happened in all Ancient and Medieval states. In modern times measures against Jews in Arab states are the REGRETTABLE, but direct result of the events surrounding the creation of the state of Israel, such as Jewish terrorist bombings in Egypt.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
Actually the raiding and violence that necessitated walled Jewish farms, was common in the early 20th century. You might abandon me here, but I recommend you get sources from both pro, and con Israel sources. If you need some 'pro' sources try Jihadwatch, and Dhimmiwatch. As for con, just check out CAIR, and MAS to start with. Try and pretend its all new to you. Friendly suggestion. :)
88Mikemike 5 years ago
Further, the Palestinian refugees, for whatever "primordial" reason they "left" their lands, were "helped along their way" by the massacres committed by Jewish armed gangs which later formed the Israeli Army. The mere fact that these refugees (whose very definition is people displaced because of armed conflict) are not allowed to return, while ANY person of Jewish descent in the world can apply for Israeli citizenship, speaks volumes about Israeli multi-culturalism.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
There are huge numbers of ethnic Arabs in Israel, easily verified by a number of modern sources. More Jews were expelled from Arab league states than there are Arabs encouraged (by the Arab league, BTW) to leave Israel. You don't seem to know about Arab massacres of Jews in that region prior to WW2, but they were horrific. I'm not jewish, and I could apply for Israeli citizenship. Enderlin is an Israeli citizen (dual) so I think they re prety multicultural.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
When you are attacking a rocket launch site, or other heavily defended targets, you use heavy equipment, meaning, airpower, and armored vehicles. Israel doesn't have the population to trade one for one in a war of attrition either. And the Arab nationalists want them all dead, or gone. It's true.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
First-off, it's NOT true that Arab nationalists "want them all dead". The goal of most "extremist" secular Palestinian organizations was the dismantlement of the state of Israel and the establishment of a secular state for Jews, Christians and Muslims to inhabit as equals. This is even recognized by the Israeli left.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
Leading to a point, did you have a side you favored in the troubles in Northern Ireland? That was started over religious differences as well, at least thats what the media say. I read once that gunmen burst into a church spraying machineguns during services. Is my info distorted?
88Mikemike 5 years ago
I also was told that the IRA were nothing but thugs, but I know that guns were sent to them from my country suppossedly to resist oppression. I'm sure both sides have a tale to tell. Which do you favor? For the record, I am sorry any of it happened at all, and I'm not trying to be mean.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
I have found serious flaws in HRW reporting. they don't impress me. Further, if you know anything about the rifles used by both sides, you would know the injuries are faked. 5.56mm nato, and 7.62 soviet ammo cause bloody spray. If you don't know the difference between a 'temporary cavity' and a 'permanent' one I suggest you go do some reearch.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
So what are you suggesting? That the bodies of Palestinian chilren have been doctored to look like they have been shot? The death tolls are normally counted mere hours after an Israeli incursion into a Palestinian town, so they're pretty accurate.
therecordkeeper 5 years ago
Did you notice the portion of this vid showing the lying at the hospital? Encouraged by the reporter, a couple lie about when and how their baby was deliverd. Another 'Doctor' lies about tanks having shot his hospital. The small blemishes in the walls are not 'tank' shots. Who knows what they are? He lied though. I am only getting started.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
If the guys who reported the deaths, are the same as the guys shown faking stuff in this video, then your not getting accurate information. Further, Israeli policy is to apologize for whatever they were accused of, before the investigate. They need to stop doing that, because most accusations against them are lies.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
I appear to be having my comments deleted, or something. Do we need a class action suit against YouTube?
88Mikemike 5 years ago
OK, now they are here, so I'll take it back. Rumors of unfair censorship abound however.
88Mikemike 5 years ago
Keep some accurate records. In the last 6 years, Palestinian terrorists have made it a policy to hide behind their own people while launching attacks on Israeli civilians. Israel repeatedly puts its own soldiers in danger to minimize the risk to the "human shields" used by Palestinian terrorists. Moreover, your figure includes lots of Palestinians murdered by their own people for "collaboration."
Morganfrost 5 years ago
palestinians are fuckin terrorists! and the stupid people from europe give them money for their terror-gov!!
cheyenebc 5 years ago 2
Jews lived in Israel for over 2,000 years... islam is a mere 1,400... hmmmm who is occupying whom? Dont muslims think out their religion at all? They say they worship the same GOD of creation, Abraham etc. If so, why arent they afraid of the results of killing those who "their God" says are His chosen people? 1+1= Satan atan atan
phlood69 5 years ago
Actually Israel has a four thousand year history in the ME going all the way back to Abraham to whom God gave the promises and to his descendants through the line of Issac.
Dreadmore 5 years ago
Muslims are facists and killers! Muslims are the people of the Shaytan (Devil), also known as Allah!
Makkah al-Mukarramah must be destroyed!
Al-Masjid al-Haram must be destroyed!
al-Ka'bah must be destroyed!
GOD WILL PUNISH THESE MUSLIM MONSTERS OF KILLING!
AmYisroelChai 5 years ago 2
Muslims are the scum of the earth
harrowschool1987 5 years ago 2
I'm lost for words - I laughed so hard seeing those lame actors shooting to an empty room etc.
Haludek 5 years ago
BUT ISRAEL STILL FUCKING!!!!
tambuk 5 years ago
STFU Bigot
Dreadmore 5 years ago
Anyone that has been that area during conflicts knows that unfortunately, this movie has a point.
aprodigy4 5 years ago
These guys flop worse than soccer players.
ODannyBoi 5 years ago
BRAVO!
seigner1 5 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujK7v0EIiPI
msp1972 5 years ago
lol great video
Dreadmore 5 years ago
btw, the koran teaches that if you lie to an adversary, especially an infidel, than in the eyes of allah you have not lied at all
wytkracka 5 years ago
Does is also say that if the infidel isn't stupid enough to believe the lame lies than the muslim should think of something better or stop lying to him, expecting him to believe it? If not then Koran is a stupid book indeed.
Haludek 5 years ago
"the corpse climbs back onto the bier"
what a load of crap, too bad most people will never see this, screw the islami and their racist genocide
wytkracka 5 years ago
Truth is like crytonite as illuminated by both this video and ANTIUSA's comments.
skye820 5 years ago
What do you expect from people who feel commanded by Allah to lie, cheat and kill all infidels.
Thanks for posting this video. Especially after the hysterics over what happened, or didn't at Qana, people need to be asking questions about the propaganda coming from the Islam-Nazis.
hiltonhead 5 years ago
This was very informative and it confirms everything I had ever suspected about the news coming from that region. I do not what is more pathetic, the fact of them doing this to attempt to justify themselves or the fact that moron reporters and journalists around the world swallow this film. This is exactly the reason why I stopped trusting the mainstream news 10 years ago...
Sadarax 5 years ago
Before you feel bad for the people of Qana watch this video.
mattowan 5 years ago
I'll still feel bad for the innocents killed in any war.
The people who made the propaganda videos don't count.
There's a whole lot of people who don't support hezbollah or any other terrorists who live in Lebanon, they just don't make the news.
kllstn 5 years ago
Wow !! Interesting
stjjames 5 years ago
Anyone who has been to Gaza knows that this video is accurate.
ohcrapre 5 years ago
Just interesting lol.
JASme7 5 years ago
It was already exposed that Pollywood is FAKE. The makers of Paollywood are Jews trying to cover up what's really happening in there. They showed you some " OUT OF CONTEXT FOOTAGE " Not the full videos where people actually die.
Wake Up. This is the biggest Zionist Scam.
Hundreds of Palestinians including children are killed every month. Don't support Israel's War Crimes.
Imgonnafuckyouupspee 4 years ago
Sir, where on earth did this ranting come from over "Just interesting lol"? I mean, it's been a year??? ha. OH and btw what makes you assume that the Palestinians are innocent as well? Go ahead and reply back ..if you want, just keep in mind that there's no replying back from me; especially from your bogus, "irrational" comment. Ciao'
juanyashaver 4 years ago
oh yeh right this beats 9/11 movie! lol.. 90% of movie directors are JEWISH LOL... USA GOVERNMENT MUST OF HIRED A JEWISH MOVIE DIRECTOR FOR 9/11! stopp going on like this a big deal. OH MY GOD, HE FAKED HIM GTTING SHOT!!!!! WOOOOOWWW!!!
ANTIUSA 5 years ago
dude aren't you the one who has IQ that equals to a pinguin's IQ?
Gos2 5 years ago
lol let me guess! a jew made this video lol! u tax collecting jew pigs!!! its all fake yeh?? its all a game yeh??!! fucking idiots! go to the link below. tell me if thats fakee! and WHAT THE FUCK is Ghostwolf chattin about?? palistinians like people feeling sorry for them selvs??? LOL LOL... REMINDER OF THE HOLOCAUST! U BITCHES STILL CRYING OVER IT LOl SOOO SHUT THE FUCK UP
ANTIUSA 5 years ago
typical mohammadan, you "people" ae disgusting, friggin dregs of the earth
Dreadmore 5 years ago
Hmmm an anti American nazi... I wish youtube could post your words as a banner up front. At least most of your type at least try to pretend they arent nazi scum bags. The menace is rising again... ETERNAL VIGILANCE people! Dont pass this guy off as some nut job fringe element, MOST of the anti american world thinks this way also. NEVER AGAIN!
phlood69 5 years ago
good video
NimDod 5 years ago
amazing stuff huh? and our press is complicit in the whole affair
Dreadmore 6 years ago
Wow
Testwizard 6 years ago
how the heck did you get this on tape
CanMetalSwitch 6 years ago
good video
CanMetalSwitch 6 years ago